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06:54.46Leedsit's nice to see "599.93 KB/s" as a sustained download speed on a nominally 600KB/s service
07:36.20yaarg:)
07:36.27yaargv. nice
07:42.31bilarh_morning folks
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08:03.03haliyo
08:03.38BlaptoHooray for 100Mbit burst!
08:03.51BlaptoNobody's in the office yet, so I apt-get dist-upgraded at 3500KB/s
08:04.07bilarh_blapto: mad resp3kt! :P
08:04.15bilarh_hali: tit monday today? :D
08:04.19bilarh_thinks so
08:04.22Blaptobilarh_: negative
08:04.26BlaptoDon't call it early!
08:04.38BlaptoNot nearly enough at Liverpool St and Bank to justify it today
08:04.43bilarh_bah, i'm always late, so this time i'll be early ::)
08:04.44halibilarh_: i think you are on to something! :)
08:04.50halibilarh_: i haven't been outside tho
08:04.55halibut yesterday in the park was *nice*
08:04.57BlaptoNot yet.  Soon
08:05.01bilarh_hali: wear sunglasses :)
08:05.29BlaptoAnyway, 10Mb with 100Mb burst is great when the office used to have two bonded 2Mb lines for about 350 people.
08:06.49yaargit's really nice out today...
08:07.03BlaptoIt's too damned hot
08:07.10yaargnobody arrives here until 11am usually
08:07.25bilarh_it's so funny, though
08:07.36bilarh_all of a sudden there's like... boobs, legs, etc etc
08:07.46yaarghaha
08:07.49bilarh_i bet all the women have been praying for two hours of sunshine
08:07.53haliliverpool street has been all right for a few weeks
08:07.58haliall bank tarts
08:08.03bilarh_i mean do people stock up on "summer clothes" or something
08:08.04BlaptoAll right - but not quite tit monday.
08:08.17Blaptobilarh_: it's some sort of hive mind, I'm sure,
08:08.18bilarh_and then *bam* loads of people in the same skimpy outfits
08:08.29halipretty much, yes
08:08.31bilarh_blapto: definitely
08:08.50haliit's probably a hidden message in shoes
08:09.04yaargheh
08:09.13bilarh_i saw a lovely girl today on the train, but she was wearing "skin disease" tights :(
08:09.16bilarh_ruined :(
08:09.20yaargewwww
08:09.26BlaptoWhat are skin disease tights?
08:09.36yaargi see lots of nice girls tbh
08:09.39bilarh_blapto: you musth ave seen them... it's the patterned tights
08:09.51bilarh_blapto: that make you look like you're suffering from some skin disease on your legs
08:09.51BlaptoOh right, like leopard skin print?
08:09.59BlaptoNever really thought about it that way.
08:10.12bilarh_no, more like.... i can't search for images of "tights" at work, but if you can, do it
08:10.20bilarh_it's normally black lacey things
08:10.21BlaptoI can, but I won't
08:10.25BlaptoI'll keep an eye out on the train
08:10.25bilarh_but they have all sorts of weird patterns
08:10.28bilarh_and it looks wrong
08:10.34bilarh_yes, you'll definitely see some today
08:10.46BlaptoWe must have a different idea of skin disease
08:10.52haliany of those kne shorts ladies wear?
08:10.58halithey where very popular last year
08:11.00bilarh_prefers smooth tights
08:11.06bilarh_yeah some of them
08:11.07Blaptohali, I hope not.
08:11.08BlaptoDamn
08:11.12haliprefers smooth skin
08:11.13bilarh_and one mini skirt too
08:11.15BlaptoThey look rediculous
08:11.22BlaptoMiniskirt++
08:11.35halihm, im sure our essex team will look interesting today
08:11.41bilarh_blapto: now here's the unfortunate thing.. it was the skin disease girl
08:11.47hali(all our receptionists+hr are from essex)
08:11.50bilarh_essex++ in this weather :D
08:11.59BlaptoI'm from Essex too ;)
08:12.04bilarh_blapto++ :D
08:12.11halinothing wrong with essex *cough*
08:12.18BlaptoI just plunged my headset boom mic into my porridge.
08:12.23halii hear romford sauna is nice
08:12.37BlaptoI was sort of holding the porridge at mouth level, because it's a bit gloopy.
08:12.44bilarh_it's not too bad i suppose... if you wear earplugs when you go there
08:12.45BlaptoI turned my head to my left to say hi to someone
08:12.52BlaptoAnd *dunk*
08:13.03yaargsmooth
08:13.04bilarh_blapto: stop being sociable! how many times have i told you it just leads to problems?!
08:13.19BlaptoThis is true.
08:13.32BlaptoI'm on mute though, so no-one notice, I think.
08:13.43bilarh_has completely stopped talking to people, preferring to communicate by growling
08:13.59BlaptoThat does communicate something about you, bilarh.
08:14.07bilarh_i like to think so :)
08:20.42ChoHagI know why this place reminds me of Pugwash.
08:20.45ChoHagIt's the phones.
08:21.15ChoHagThey ring and I can't help but complete the musical phrase in my head.
08:22.47BlaptoHah, there's a Blackberry default ringtone that's the opening three notesof "Under The Sea" from The Little Mermaid.
08:23.33BlaptoAnd my electric shaver plays a G when it first turns on, and then an E about a second later, and sounds very similar to the opening two notes of Iron Maiden - Iron Maiden.
08:23.53ChoHagIs it wise to shave to Iron Maiden?
08:24.07BlaptoPanasonic seem to think so.
08:25.08bilarh_speaking of good music, i just stuck loads of ac/dc on my ipod :D
08:25.12bilarh_it's bloody ace
08:25.16bilarh_couldn't stop smiling on the way to work
08:25.30bilarh_and it wasn't anything to do with pins either
08:25.37ChoHagDon't you mean Acedc?
08:25.50bilarh_ace-dc hrm... yeah maybe :)
08:25.58BlaptoBig Balls :D
08:26.06bilarh_hehe :)
08:26.12bilarh_why thank you, blapto :D
08:26.51BlaptoRight, off to get my first cup of tea for the day
08:26.56bilarh_i need to learn a new song on the guitar soon... i've almost mastered sweet home alabama now
08:27.14bilarh_trust me to pick an easy song to begin with, but now it's finally time to play something else
08:27.16Blaptobilarh_: if you want to get together some time, I play bass.  We could have a GLLUG house band.
08:27.23bilarh_i was thinking "sweet child of mine"
08:27.33BlaptoMove away from songs starting with "sweet"
08:27.45bilarh_blapto: yeah great idea, we can play sweet home alabama on repeat, becasue that's the only song i know :)
08:27.58Blaptohttp://youtube.com/watch?v=eELH0ivexKA
08:28.09BlaptoI demand you all watch that while I'm in the kitchen.#
08:28.24bilarh_i love that song, though, especially the riff that comes halfway through the first verse
08:32.52BlaptoWhen I say Oo, you say long
08:33.00BlaptoOo, long, Oo, long.
08:33.53wethrinOolong tea?
08:34.04BlaptoYes.
08:34.08wethrinyay
08:34.13BlaptoWhen I say herbal, you say "no thanks"
08:34.17BlaptoIt's a great song.
08:36.13BlaptoNetApp filers automatically send out a 1-2MB e-mail every day :(
08:36.23wethrinboh
08:36.26BlaptoIf yuo're on the list for a few dozen of them it gets rather irritating.
08:36.27wethrinimportant mail?
08:37.07BlaptoDisk Serial numbers, important RAID activity, any autosupport mails sent, etc.
08:37.23BlaptoNot important to me, netapp notify us if a disk fails, and we notice other errors soon enough.
08:37.32wethrinmmm
08:39.18Blapto200KB a day from Sytems Operations in Shift Reports.
08:39.52BlaptoAnd IS still give us a 300MB limit on our inboxes
08:40.05BlaptoI might give them £100 to give us another 300GB or so.
08:42.40wethrinNo, if you need the space to do your job, rather than just for shits and giggles, they should give it to you
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08:45.23BlaptoWell, it just means I need to archive my e-mail every few days
08:45.27BlaptoFew = 3.
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09:03.22bilarh_http://www.dothetest.co.uk/
09:03.31bilarh_i failed miserably
09:04.23yaargargh
09:04.31yaargthe sun is shining down on my back
09:11.49yaargbut worse still, a dilemna: what do when you spot a colleague eating your crunchy nut?
09:12.02yaargkick him in the balls, or let him eat it lest he starves
09:12.06BlaptoKick him in the balls.
09:12.18yaargroger
09:12.26yaargone ball kicking coming up
09:12.54bilarh_this will be my next car  http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests/doc.asp?c=107&i=7622
09:13.11bilarh_at least in my fantasty car league
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09:14.23BlaptoI got the number right and passed the test :)
09:14.24BlaptoWin!
09:14.30yaargit all started when i decided to bring food into the office
09:14.45yaargi've spent an absurd amount of cash eating out at lunch time recently :S
09:15.15yaargbilarh_: you clearly need two
09:51.40yaargif i want to copy an iso, should mounting it and copying the files off it be enough?
09:52.06yaargbootable iso that is
09:52.09wethrinNo
09:52.17ElPenguindd
09:52.22BlaptoMount it and dd
09:52.29wethrinDon't mount it
09:52.34bilarh_ahem, why do you  need to moun it?
09:52.35yaargi don't want an iso back
09:52.41wethrinWhat do you want to do
09:52.41yaargi need to modify the files on it
09:52.41wethrin?
09:52.49wethrinYou need to make a new ISO image, then
09:52.51yaargi have a iso
09:53.00yaargi need to rip the files off that to make a new iso after modifying the files
09:53.10wethrinYou need to also know what the boot file is
09:53.23wethrinThen tell mkisofs to use that
09:54.08yaargi don't think i know what the boot file is
09:54.21wethrinIt's normally something reasonably obvious from the name
09:54.34yaargwhen i extract it with a program called 7zip on windows
09:54.39yaargi get a subdirectory called [Boot
09:54.44yaargi geuss that's something to do with it
09:54.50yaargthat doesn't appear when i mount is
09:54.52wethrinMore than likely
09:54.53wethrinOdd
09:56.36yaargah yes i see
09:56.42yaargthere's a img file inside there
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10:04.26yaargyeah that worked, thanks
10:13.15ChoHagThey want me to spend half a day at an 'email workshop next Friday.
10:13.19ChoHag+'
10:18.38BlaptoStaff induction here was fun.  I'd been here for a month or so and ended up explaining how the ticketing system actually worked.
10:19.13wethrinChoHag: Oh dear
10:25.44ChoHagI think this one line sums up this place: Looked into [the task] a little, seems like a kernel recompile would be necessary, hence might be impossible for support reasons.
10:26.45antiphaseImmediate fail for compiling kernels yourself in the first place
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10:29.25ChoHagI want to fail them also for using Suse but I'm not yet sure I should.
10:30.30yaargthey deserve to fail
10:39.10ChoHagBah. Suse grep doesn't complain when I try and non-recursively grep a directory.
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11:05.01BlaptoAnybody going to the LONIX meet in De Hems this evening?
11:05.24ElPenguinmmm... belgian beer
11:05.40ElPenguins/belgian/dutch/
11:05.56BlaptoWell, both.
11:06.07ElPenguinmmm... belgian beer
11:06.35BlaptoNot in the same glass though
11:08.07antiphaseEnglish beer is superior
11:08.34BlaptoI don't know, warm evening, I'd rather have a Delirium.
11:10.03wethrinantiphase: In general, yes. However, if it's a hot day, a Früli is lovely
11:10.19wethrinAlso Cantillon beers a full of win
11:10.21ElPenguinFruli isn't great
11:10.26ElPenguinFrambosen is delicious
11:10.41wethrinDepends which Fruli you get
11:10.55ElPenguinthe one in my local is just not great
11:11.16wethrinWell.
11:11.25wethrinThe ones they had at the Lowlander were nice
11:11.37wethrinMy local-to-parents local has a Fruli, I think the strawberry one
11:12.10BlaptoIt's the strawberry one at De Hems
11:12.28wethrinAh. They used to have an apple one
11:12.33wethrinNo, that was the Lowlander
11:12.40wethrinDe Hems have Delirium Tremens
11:12.57wethrinTBH, I'm not actually hugely keen on most Belgian beers - they have some weird taste to them
11:13.12BlaptoDT, mmm
11:13.23BlaptoHoegaarden Grand Cru is lovely
11:13.27BlaptoAs is Duvel
11:13.32kinkowestmalle tripple ftw
11:14.45Nafallopeople going to DeHems tonight?
11:15.07ElPenguinwe were just discussing their beer...
11:15.33Nafalloah. didn't scroll up far enough to see it was their beer :-)
11:15.34wethrinNafallo: There is a Lonix meeting there
11:15.45Nafallowethrin: I know :-)
11:15.49Nafallowethrin: hence the question
11:15.55wethrinah :)
11:17.04BlaptoI'll be going
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12:45.41ChoHagSandwich shop bimbo put my tissue on top of my sticky cake.
12:46.02BlaptoIt's not going well for you, is it ChoHag
12:47.41ChoHagThat's just the icing on the cake.
12:47.56ElPenguinba-dum tish
12:47.56Blaptosurely the napkin on the cake?
12:48.47ChoHagIcing. Napkin. It's all the same here.
12:48.57BlaptoMmm-mm
12:49.09BlaptoI wish my napkins tasted of icing
12:50.21ChoHagYeah me too.
12:50.44BlaptoYours does
12:50.50BlaptoOr of sticky cake even
12:51.07ChoHagPecan twisty thing.
12:51.08BlaptoI don't see what you're complaining about
12:51.16ChoHagNot quite like a real pecan pie.
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13:22.55bilarh_http://www.postal-code.com/binarycode/2008/04/30/windows-makes-my-head-hurt-part-12/
13:24.15yaargpears are great
13:29.56ChoHagEpic.
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13:57.31yaargi thought so
14:08.42ChoHagThis script, somehow, requires lots of disk space.
14:08.47ChoHagGrep logs to temp file 1
14:08.52ChoHagGrep temp file 1 to temp file 2
14:08.59ChoHagSed temp file 2 to temp file 3
14:09.03ChoHagProcess temp file 3 with perl.
14:09.54wethrinThat's what pipes were invented for
14:10.02ElPenguinexactly
14:10.24ChoHagFor some reason that's not been fixed.
14:10.31ChoHagProbably because the other admin's contract doesn't allow it.
14:10.41wethrinuhhhh?
14:10.57wethrinYour workplace is broken, then
14:11.08yaarghaha that's a bit of a silly clause to put into an admin's contract surely?
14:11.11ChoHagOh and this script is run once a month, manually, by the other admin, so that it's result can be, manually, emailed to somebody.
14:11.18yaarg"clause 23: don't fix things"
14:11.22wethrinThat's what cron is for
14:11.28ChoHagYep.
14:11.36yaargoh dear
14:11.45wethrinWhy are you lot not allowed to do your jobs properly?
14:11.51yaargi cringe at any mention of manual at all
14:11.59ChoHagThere is a chance that he won't stay when his contract expires.
14:12.08ChoHagShould I still be here that will be a Good Thing.
14:12.25ChoHagI am. He may not/can't/won't.
14:12.30ChoHagSod doing that myself.
14:12.39wethrinmmm
14:13.39ChoHagActually this script should probably be entirely in perl.
14:13.56ChoHag3 greps and a sed (with two commands).
14:14.17ChoHagOr maybe awk but I don't know awk.
14:14.23wethrinawk's nice
14:14.31wethrinDepends what the perl does, really
14:14.39ChoHagYeah I've seen some stuff. I've yet to get around to playing with it though.
14:14.42wethrinOr, actually, what the whole script does
14:14.59ChoHagCalucates the mean response time of the web server.
14:15.16yaargmy own knowledge of awk extends to using it as a crude replacement for cut
14:15.45ChoHagDa. Me too.
14:19.36wethrinI'm sure there's some evil bits you can do
14:19.55wethrinI assume the greps and sed are there to only give the response time?
14:20.49yaargreal_response_time=$RANDOM
14:20.59ChoHagYes.
14:21.09wethrinSo you want to sum the response times, and divide by the number of lines?
14:21.55ChoHagYes.
14:23.40antiphaseOne line of perl
14:24.02ChoHagYes.
14:24.12ElPenguinisn't everything?
14:24.21ChoHagI might do it in awk just for the hell of it.
14:24.59wethrin( <cat file-with-number> | awk 'ORS="+" { print; } '; echo 0 ) | bc
14:25.03wethrinWill sum the numbers for you
14:26.24ChoHagawk can't count?
14:26.49wethrinActually, it can
14:29.40ChoHagOh?
14:31.16wethrincat number | awk '{ total=total+$1;} END {print total}'
14:31.44wethrincat number | awk '{ total=total+$1;} END {print total/NR}'
14:31.48wethrinThat'll get you the mean
14:31.53yaargnice
14:32.12yaargseems useful. i should learn more.
14:33.10wethrinawk is very underrated
14:33.39wethrinChoHag: So stick the grep/sed pipes in place of the cat, and you should be laughing
14:33.50wethrinAlso, if you run it through cron, it'll magically email you the results
14:33.54wethrinAnd you can't say fairer than that
14:34.57ChoHagActually I'll give whoever wrote it half a point - there's no cat.
14:35.48ChoHagThe first line's a gunzip -c and the perl line even uses a <.
14:36.25wethrinzgrep :)
14:36.31wethrinor zcat
14:39.26yaargnow run your superior and tell him you've replaced the other admin with a neat script.
14:39.50antiphasegunzip is a shell script, gzip is the real command, so points off for that
14:40.25ChoHag/bin/gunzip: ELF 64-bit LSB executable
14:41.02antiphaseHow horrid
14:41.55wethrinantiphase: Often it's a link to gzip
14:42.14wethrinAnd argc[0] will determine its behaviour
14:42.53antiphaseThat's what I expected before I looked
14:43.10wethrinIt certainly is that on OpenBSD
14:43.56ChoHagIf $10 in awk is seconds:number (where the number is in microseconds), how do I get just the number?
14:44.09ChoHagCan I change IFS part-way through an expression?
14:44.29ChoHagFS even.
14:45.00wethrinNot sure
14:45.12antiphaseUse cut first
14:45.15wethrinCan it be a regexp?
14:45.41wethrinBut, yes, use other tools first to make the job easier
14:53.12ChoHagIf NR is the total number of lines, is there a total number of successful pattern matches?
14:54.58wethrinProbably :)
14:55.25ChoHagAlso - pipe at the end before the \ or the beginning of the next line?
14:55.27ChoHagWhat's more readable?
14:55.34ChoHagI reckon the beginning.
14:56.44wethrinbeginning
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20:45.40kinkoide: failed opcode was: unknown
20:45.41kinko:(
20:45.48kinkostart of a great evening
20:46.00secretlondon:9
20:46.02secretlondon:(
20:47.00kinkoblames nafallo
20:47.24secretlondonnods
20:47.44Nafallois glad nafallo != Nafallo
20:47.50Nafalloalso, I'm innocent.
20:47.51secretlondonwhy not, idle for 24 minutes so may not be able to defend himself
20:48.14secretlondonI'm not convinced Nafallo is case sensitive
20:48.22Nafallosecretlondon: tiz
20:49.17Nafallosent 72449868 bytes  received 58122 bytes  559907.26 bytes/sec
20:49.18Nafallototal size is 89040711872  speedup is 1228.01
20:50.10kinkodeleting nonexistent file :O
20:50.55kinkoFN'Nafallo, labelled himself today at work
20:51.00kinkonot sure why
20:51.15Nafallokinko: I've started to think delta and echo are to hot.
20:51.29Nafallokinko: no. Nick did. you are aware of that.
20:51.40Nafallokinko: Mike in tomorrow?
20:51.43kinkoyou seemed to like it
20:51.51kinkonot sure
20:51.58kinkodepends on how screwed this server is
20:52.29Nafallokinko: ehrm. he doesn't need the office for that...
20:57.01kinkoyou missing him, you didnt get to go to the dc till 4 today
20:57.06kinkoyou normally get sent at 10
20:57.15Nafallokinko: not because of that
20:58.06Nafallohave something I need to talk to him about, and if he's not around, it will have to be msn or something
20:58.33kinkoyour so grumpy when you dont get sent to the dc
20:58.51Nafallois more the customers...
20:59.35NafalloI don't really need permission to go there you know... it's just that I didn't have much to do there.
20:59.48Nafallothat's the whole thing... :-/
21:00.10kinkoyou ordered the cool psu's yet
21:00.18kinko*power bars
21:00.19Nafallo-> Jordan
21:00.20secretlondonNafallo, <3 dc
21:48.12halisup dawgs
21:50.12haliok, noone alive
21:50.37halii just ate a very nice savlaki, just so you know
21:53.02secretlondonhali: what's a savlaki?
21:57.06haliit's greek kebab roll
21:57.26halivery similar to a normal kebab roll but with sort of pita bread and mild yogurt
21:58.35haliand i had dolmades, littel parcels with rice, nuts and herbs wrapped in wine leaves.. very tasty
21:58.55secretlondonmmm
21:58.59haliyum yum
21:59.23halihm, blimey, there has been a shooting on kings road :/
21:59.32haliis just catching up with the news
22:00.14kinkodid they sort that out
22:00.17secretlondonomg shootings north of the river!
22:00.18kinkohappned at 5
22:01.13kinkoAt about 2145 BST four explosions, thought to be stun grenades, were heard.
22:01.16kinkodone and done
22:01.16haliand in chelsea of all places :S
22:02.15secretlondonshot dead
22:02.24secretlondonhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7386569.stm
22:04.12yaargshit.
22:04.43yaargand gta iv just came out!
22:04.48yaargthis is an OUTRAGE!
22:05.06haliit must be the game that is to blame!
22:05.08haliban it!
22:05.47haliand ban like, other stuff, while we are at it
22:05.57halilike .. hmm.. grapes!
22:06.06halithey are all round and stuff

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