00:29.40 | z00dax | hali: you'd never make it in the US |
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00:53.17 | cpufreak | hey |
00:53.28 | Armand | Hiya.. |
00:53.30 | cpufreak | wonders how much he trusts himself... |
00:53.36 | Armand | lol |
00:53.37 | cpufreak | patching filesystme code at 2:53am :/ |
00:53.41 | Armand | Put the pie down! |
00:54.06 | cpufreak | fucking linux kernel changed a whole load of shit in 2.6.24... |
00:54.15 | cpufreak | in the bio layer |
00:54.21 | Armand | Dunno.. I don't deal with code. |
00:54.34 | Armand | I even hate HTML. :P |
00:54.42 | cpufreak | my changes work.. |
00:55.35 | cpufreak | but I'm ot sure I trust myself to make changes on hte block i/o layer... |
00:55.40 | cpufreak | :) |
00:56.06 | Armand | I have next to no idea what you're talking about.. |
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00:57.38 | Armand | Like.. i/o = input/output.. but I think "Input = point & shoot, output = enemy player dies" |
00:57.45 | Armand | :P |
00:57.49 | cpufreak | right, so a hard disk is a block device. |
00:57.51 | cpufreak | for example |
00:57.56 | Armand | k |
00:58.19 | cpufreak | so if I'm making changes on the block i/o layer of the filesystem... there's quite a big risk that i could fuck the proverbial dog. |
00:58.26 | cpufreak | hence why I'm not sure if I trust myself :) |
00:58.32 | Armand | Ahhh... I see. |
00:58.52 | Armand | Yes, that has "fuckeries" potential all over it. :P |
01:00.28 | Armand | atm, I'm just wondering if I should put in my new HD and start up the Windows install.. |
01:02.24 | Armand | that and.. "Will I get to use the bench-grinder tomorrow?" ¬_¬ |
01:04.31 | Armand | oh well, I guess I will start that install. |
01:04.44 | Armand | Mum wants me to unplug the router. >_< |
01:07.27 | secretlondon | fun thing to do early morning |
01:07.43 | Armand | yeah.. stupid house rules. |
01:07.48 | Armand | oh well, gnite all |
01:07.56 | Armand | have fun with that, cpufreak.. :P |
01:08.49 | secretlondon | possibly needs a 'Mum' to send her to bed at 2am |
01:08.57 | secretlondon | I'm a little old though |
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02:35.30 | secretlondon | isn't too impressed by compiz |
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07:57.19 | Axel | howdy peeps |
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08:24.41 | Blapto | How the hell do you spell "identity"? |
08:24.54 | ChoHag | Like that. |
08:25.07 | Blapto | Yes, I know that now |
08:25.53 | ChoHag | Well ... OK then. |
08:26.18 | Blapto | Gentlemen, tit monday is upon us |
08:26.22 | Blapto | wethrin! change the /topic |
08:26.46 | yaarg | morning |
08:26.49 | Blapto | ning |
08:46.57 | gregj | http://fun.noshit.pl/?co=lubie&id=38638 |
08:47.04 | gregj | AND |
08:47.05 | gregj | http://fun.noshit.pl/?co=lubie&id=38639 |
08:48.02 | gregj | http://fun.noshit.pl/?co=lubie&id=38645 |
08:48.23 | wethrin | Blapto: Change it to what? |
08:48.30 | Blapto | Something in celebration of Tit Monday |
08:48.39 | wethrin | huh? |
08:48.52 | Blapto | http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2006/tit-monday-p1.php |
08:49.43 | gregj | http://fun.noshit.pl/?co=lubie&id=38649 |
08:49.49 | gregj | (no, we're not gay) |
08:55.20 | Blapto | classy |
09:23.30 | boudiccas | how can it be 'tit monday' when its already wednesday? |
09:25.25 | Blapto | The day isn't important |
09:26.08 | Blapto | " It last fell on a Monday in 2004, when temperatures leapt to 22C on 24 April." |
09:49.08 | bilarh_ | boudiccas: bah, women |
09:49.30 | bilarh_ | boudiccas: tit monday is the first day of great summer oogling, simply put |
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09:59.22 | gregj | is there 'secure access client' (citrix vpn) client for linux or mac os x ? |
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11:02.08 | Blapto | Bloody internets |
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12:25.42 | Blapto | Mmm, lunch sitting in Leicester Square |
12:27.09 | catalyst | mm, lunch consisting of red leicester sanwiches with are square |
12:27.24 | Blapto | with are square? |
12:28.51 | catalyst | which |
12:28.59 | catalyst | hey, my parser is broken |
12:31.13 | Blapto | Turn it off and on again |
12:31.32 | catalyst | I'm not sure my brain would reboot if I turned it off |
12:31.46 | catalyst | no great loss, you might argue XD |
12:32.36 | Blapto | Just tell someone you're going to do a reboot, and could they please power cycle you if you're not responding to ping in 20 minutes time |
12:32.49 | Blapto | You've got to allow a bit of time in case the file system needs a fscking |
12:32.58 | catalyst | ah, I see |
12:33.39 | yaarg | well i had lunch sitting on a wall near liverpool st staiton :P |
12:37.26 | hali | i had lunch sitting in the resturant the yard down from old street |
12:37.33 | hali | had a pizza with an egg on it |
12:37.35 | hali | very tasty |
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14:46.54 | Blapto | http://manbabies.com/ (SFW) |
14:56.37 | curson | aahahah Blapto, that was fun |
14:58.02 | Blapto | It's aces |
15:14.11 | catalyst | hehe |
15:23.19 | ChoHag | How can you run a getty without init? |
15:24.29 | antiphase | You can't really do anything without some sort of init |
15:25.02 | antiphase | You could try running getty as init though |
15:25.10 | ChoHag | Well without having init do the process control. ie. from bash. |
15:25.31 | antiphase | Sounds a bit Irish to me |
15:26.09 | ChoHag | It is - I just wanted to quickly see why it's segfaulting. |
15:27.09 | antiphase | gdb? |
15:27.12 | antiphase | strace? |
15:27.34 | ChoHag | Yeah that's what I'm doing. |
15:27.59 | ChoHag | In only vaguely related news, why would a computers clock randomly flip back by an hour for a second or two? |
15:28.40 | ChoHag | Also, non-serial consoles (and by inference, Dell) are teh suk. |
15:29.17 | catalyst | ChoHag: changes in the matrix |
15:31.13 | wethrin | Serial consoles FTW |
15:34.17 | ChoHag | Hmm. How does one strace getty? |
15:34.49 | wethrin | if getty is segfaulting, something's rather seriously wrong |
15:35.03 | ChoHag | Yes, and I plan to find out what. |
15:35.31 | ChoHag | Unfortunately that's all that segfaults. |
15:38.05 | Blapto | ChoHag: silly question, but is it a real machine or a vmware host? |
15:38.14 | ChoHag | Real. |
15:39.23 | ChoHag | It's a Dell, hence the previous spew of venom. |
15:40.55 | ChoHag | It's also a development live server. |
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16:11.45 | wethrin | Dells are barely real machines |
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17:34.48 | secretlondon | hi |
17:35.42 | wethrin | hi |
17:42.43 | Blapto | Right, off out |
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22:00.28 | hali | hai |
22:00.47 | hali | so hm, who's gonna make a joke about cheeeseburgers? |
22:02.25 | secretlondon | cheeseburgers + added eee? |
22:02.33 | secretlondon | may have missed the story |
22:06.52 | hali | eee is cool |
22:07.03 | hali | why haven't i bought an eee 900 yet? |
22:07.19 | hali | i think the short answer is, i don't actually need it |
22:07.27 | hali | but what does 'need' really mean |
22:07.30 | hali | i 'want' it :) |
22:08.07 | hali | bilarh_: you are missing a massive rant in #motala |
22:08.51 | hali | Nafallo: sorry i didn't replay to you text earlier, i'm way busy :/ |
22:09.23 | Nafallo | hali: thought you was. no worries. but lets make it in the next two weeks ;-) |
22:09.41 | hali | yes |
22:10.01 | hali | tbh, i was configuring our new exchange server, horrible task... i'd love to sneak out |
22:11.36 | Cope | yo hali |
22:12.09 | AndyMillar | exchange is fun :p |
22:13.06 | hali | i'm doing fucking less and less unix by the day :( |
22:13.41 | hali | all im doing these days is microsoft isa server, exchange, microsoft bla and annoying networking edge stuff |
22:13.56 | hali | is ranting about fuck all |
22:14.02 | AndyMillar | exchange, fine |
22:14.05 | AndyMillar | the rest is all bollocks |
22:14.26 | hali | i spend more time configuring routers, our ASA firewalls and the 6500 and 4500 switches we have |
22:14.38 | hali | ISA server is actually all right :S |
22:14.43 | Cope | hali: M$ is the wau |
22:14.44 | Cope | way |
22:14.57 | Cope | AD is well designed |
22:15.06 | Cope | latests IIS is fast and featureful |
22:15.15 | hali | AD is ok |
22:15.18 | secretlondon | isn't listening to the heretic |
22:15.20 | Cope | SQL Server pisses all over Oracle |
22:15.30 | AndyMillar | hides behind secretlondon |
22:15.35 | hali | i have to admit i switched my workstation to AD login instead of NIS the other day |
22:15.40 | hali | Cope: fuck off! :) |
22:15.41 | Cope | wisely so |
22:15.41 | AndyMillar | considers that this may be futile as he is quite big |
22:15.48 | hali | sql server pwns oracle every day |
22:15.53 | Nafallo | takes hali to lunch to get the discussion over with :-P |
22:15.59 | hali | ... in wonderland |
22:16.06 | hali | in reality, nothing pwns oracle |
22:16.09 | Cope | hali: ok, that was a step to far :) |
22:16.10 | hali | oracle is the mutts nutts |
22:16.33 | hali | tbh, oracle is the one thing noone can pwn me in :) |
22:16.47 | hali | at least no one i've met *being uber cocky* |
22:17.06 | Cope | i like oracle |
22:17.13 | hali | it's just so amazing |
22:17.20 | hali | it's a massive challange to learn |
22:17.22 | hali | but so much fun |
22:17.45 | hali | and so much work to optimize and to actually utilize what you pay for is quite difficult |
22:17.53 | Cope | it does rock |
22:18.03 | Cope | i miss managing oracle instances |
22:18.11 | Cope | and I am getting out of date |
22:18.47 | hali | 11g is a big upgrade |
22:18.47 | Cope | but y'know, in 2008 MS is shit hot |
22:19.09 | Cope | they're sharp, fast, secure, responsive, command-line driven |
22:19.33 | hali | tell me about it, "powersheel ftw" :S |
22:19.37 | hali | shell* |
22:19.41 | Cope | it really does |
22:19.50 | hali | exchange 2007 is very powershell driven |
22:20.04 | Cope | it's a good env |
22:20.10 | hali | it's not bad no |
22:20.20 | Cope | I still mix it with exim frontends |
22:20.37 | Cope | but for the first time ever I think it is enterprise ready |
22:20.47 | hali | i kicket up our first windows server 2008 box the other day, it doesn't even run a gui! |
22:20.53 | hali | and hm |
22:21.04 | Cope | yeah |
22:21.11 | Cope | win2k8 is powershell or vista |
22:21.15 | Cope | take your pick |
22:21.19 | hali | while microsoft is loosing bigtime on the desktop side they are sort of gaining on the server side |
22:21.30 | Cope | anyone with a brain ignores vista front end |
22:21.32 | hali | they've switches camps |
22:21.38 | Cope | correct |
22:21.58 | hali | and in a sense linux is actually doing the opposite |
22:22.05 | hali | while the desktop is cleaner and better |
22:22.11 | hali | the server side is more bloated and ugly |
22:22.18 | Cope | linux server is still 2003 |
22:22.21 | hali | especially if you look a suse implementation :) |
22:22.27 | Cope | lol |
22:22.40 | hali | yast please can i have a cheeseburger |
22:22.48 | hali | yast with suger on top |
22:22.51 | Cope | i was interesed to read about ipaserver |
22:22.53 | AndyMillar | hali: you still do need to prepend and append exchange with exim though |
22:23.09 | hali | works fine, exchange's imap support is good :) |
22:23.10 | Cope | not that I see the point |
22:23.38 | Cope | AndyMillar: you do, for security and performance |
22:24.31 | Cope | fwiw 27" dell monitor is above average |
22:24.58 | AndyMillar | but I'd pick exchange as my end-point MTA of choice |
22:25.18 | hali | we use exchange fronted by postfix |
22:25.32 | Cope | AndyMillar: agree |
22:25.33 | hali | i'd kill myself if i didn't have postfix for the basics |
22:25.44 | hali | cost no option obviously |
22:25.51 | Cope | exim kicks the arse off postfix[ |
22:25.56 | hali | no |
22:25.59 | hali | exim is pants |
22:26.01 | AndyMillar | Cope: and I've spent about 2 years or so working on a hosted exchange platform :/ |
22:26.03 | Cope | fuck off |
22:26.03 | hali | to much work |
22:26.09 | AndyMillar | ok, can we not have the exim vs postfix debate |
22:26.12 | AndyMillar | they both have merits |
22:26.14 | hali | postfix is more mature and keeps things imple |
22:26.16 | hali | yes |
22:26.19 | hali | they are both alright |
22:26.36 | hali | but postfix is less suid and just gets thing done :) |
22:26.40 | AndyMillar | I do have a system that goes <originserver> -> <exim>{,} -> <postfix> -> <internet> |
22:26.53 | hali | we used to use exim |
22:26.56 | Cope | AndyMillar: I've managed old exchange environments... nasty |
22:26.57 | AndyMillar | exim is more powerful, postfix is easier and faster |
22:27.09 | Cope | I think exim is easier |
22:27.13 | AndyMillar | pick your MTA based on what you're used to and what you want to do |
22:27.17 | Cope | the docs are clear |
22:27.19 | hali | i never really learnt it tbh, all my config is kicking things up in a number of mail routing loops |
22:27.27 | AndyMillar | Cope: but the config file is a few thousand lines :) |
22:27.30 | Cope | postfix is cool too |
22:27.34 | Cope | AndyMillar: agree |
22:27.36 | hali | 3-4 loops per special rule is not unheard of :) |
22:27.38 | AndyMillar | exim is a real pain in the arse until you *understand* it |
22:27.47 | AndyMillar | wheras postfix is quicker to pick up |
22:27.59 | Cope | We have the authoritative book by Philip |
22:28.06 | AndyMillar | the red exim book? |
22:28.13 | Cope | yeah |
22:28.15 | AndyMillar | well, red spine, white cover |
22:28.18 | AndyMillar | same :) |
22:28.30 | Cope | KB has pinched it |
22:28.30 | AndyMillar | it's a good read |
22:28.34 | Cope | glares at z00dax |
22:29.01 | AndyMillar | tbh, unless you're pushing high volumes of mail - the MTA you chose out of postfix or exim really doesn't matter |
22:29.09 | Cope | But me and KB have migrated all our email servers to exim |
22:29.16 | Cope | AndyMillar: agree |
22:29.41 | AndyMillar | so pick whatever you feel most comfortable with... which for me is exim :) |
22:29.46 | Cope | yep |
22:29.52 | hali | you weirdos |
22:29.57 | AndyMillar | hali: why? |
22:29.59 | Cope | I was sendmail born and bred |
22:30.05 | hali | postfix is nicer :) |
22:30.06 | Cope | then moved to exim |
22:30.18 | Cope | partly becaue it is the debian default |
22:30.34 | AndyMillar | hali: looking at my exim configs, i'd be inclined to agree with you ;) |
22:30.40 | Cope | he |
22:30.45 | hali | make |
22:30.47 | hali | break |
22:30.51 | AndyMillar | but I do end up doing a lot of odd stuff :) |
22:33.26 | AndyMillar | hali: can you leave one of your postfix boxes as an open relay for me please? ;) |
22:33.42 | hali | mynetworks ftw |
22:33.52 | AndyMillar | damn :( |
22:33.57 | AndyMillar | postfix is awesome for sending spam |
22:34.00 | AndyMillar | beats exim hands down |
22:34.07 | Cope | grins |
22:34.38 | AndyMillar | mmh, new quad core xeon server arriving tomorrow |
22:34.45 | AndyMillar | likes new toys |
22:34.55 | Cope | -Exeon |
22:35.13 | hali | we just installed a few quad quad xeon boxes |
22:35.18 | Cope | -Exeon |
22:35.19 | hali | pretty speedy |
22:36.36 | Cope | anyway i sleep |
22:44.57 | AndyMillar | nn Cope |
22:45.08 | AndyMillar | hali: i've got a cluster of them for email processing - they're shiny |
22:58.34 | z00dax | Cope: only keeping it warm :D |
23:03.21 | kinko | my cluster is warmer than yours :P |
23:03.32 | z00dax | thats not normally a good sign |
23:03.56 | kinko | mine use the OS than is forbidden |
23:04.07 | z00dax | cp/m ? |
23:04.37 | secretlondon | sounds like another good use of old hardware - heater. not sure how efficient though, you may be better at argos |
23:05.04 | kinko | well ms cluster not so useful |
23:05.38 | kinko | 4GB per server ECC |
23:05.42 | kinko | << wins |
23:06.58 | z00dax | 4gb per server is a big sad |
23:07.02 | kinko | with 32bit most def |
23:07.05 | z00dax | someone is offloading a bunch of Sun V20Z's |
23:07.25 | z00dax | I wonder how much work it would take to plumb in a sata backpane into those |
23:07.42 | kinko | ask FN'Nafallo |
23:07.55 | kinko | have two cluster he could try |
23:08.23 | AndyMillar | heh |
23:09.27 | kinko | actually FN'Nafallo is on call tonight shouldnt try to nick highlight |
23:10.02 | z00dax | who Nafallo ? |
23:10.19 | z00dax | should we not try to hightlight Nafallo's nick ? |
23:10.45 | kinko | it would be not a good idea to highlight FN'Nafallo |
23:11.01 | kinko | he gets upset with nafallo something about case |
23:12.06 | z00dax | NafallO ? |
23:12.20 | z00dax | N4f4ll0 :D l33t! |
23:12.53 | kinko | but he's using my pizza deal tomorrow so he'll be fine, FN'Nafallo has news when anyone cares to ask him |
23:13.44 | secretlondon | yeah he's very case sensitive |
23:13.57 | kinko | he's stalking |
23:14.04 | secretlondon | kinko: re: the job? |
23:14.23 | kinko | he's stalking |
23:14.25 | kinko | i know |
23:16.34 | kinko | he's in some kind of pm that i dont want part of, no pizza for naf if he's late :D |
23:18.37 | kinko | if all can ask FN'Nafallo ask him about the job he has accepted could have a new topic - well addition |
23:19.00 | secretlondon | the job he interviewed for at a linux distro? |
23:19.40 | z00dax | there are linux distro's hiring ? |
23:20.02 | kinko | not any of the quickest growing or anything |
23:20.18 | Nafallo | is surprised about that as well |
23:20.35 | z00dax | Nafallo: ! |
23:20.37 | kinko | point is proved |
23:20.47 | z00dax | you have been accused of running a MS cluster with only 4 gigs of ram |
23:20.49 | kinko | your .au girl can wait |
23:20.49 | Nafallo | but no, not at a linux distro. |
23:21.23 | secretlondon | Nafallo, you didn't get the canonical job? |
23:21.32 | Nafallo | z00dax: kinko's cluster. I don't get involved in that stuff more then absolutely necessary, which means installs :-) |
23:21.59 | Nafallo | secretlondon: yea, but Canonical is not a Linux distro now, is it? :-) |
23:22.09 | secretlondon | well, okay.. |
23:28.28 | secretlondon | Nafallo, so you didn't get it then? |
23:29.35 | kinko | he touched the hardware |
23:29.39 | kinko | guilty |
23:30.13 | Nafallo | secretlondon: I did :-) |
23:30.31 | Nafallo | kinko: the hardware is not the software. |
23:30.33 | Nafallo | :-) |
23:31.45 | kinko | would be hilarous if you had any of that in your next jovb |
23:32.28 | Nafallo | kinko: of the hardware? |
23:32.58 | kinko | nlb |
23:34.25 | Nafallo | netherland's backbone? |
23:35.27 | kinko | for sure |
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