| 00:20.02 | secretlondon | back from 24 hr deli |
| 00:20.17 | secretlondon | yay walworth, having decently priced exotic food all night |
| 00:20.40 | secretlondon | attempting to make kebabs on george foreman grill |
| 00:20.48 | Discordian | Sounds good |
| 00:21.07 | Discordian | Nowhere's open here |
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| 00:36.30 | z00dax | london must be the only large city in the whole world that comes to a standstill for so long overnight |
| 00:39.12 | secretlondon | it doesn't though |
| 00:39.39 | secretlondon | I have buses < every 10 mins all night, and shops open for 24 hours |
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| 00:40.38 | secretlondon | hi Leeds |
| 00:41.12 | z00dax | sure, my locaal Tesco is open 24/7, as is the local saisburys |
| 00:41.19 | Leeds | morning secretlondon |
| 00:41.42 | z00dax | but whats a decent place to go have a decent cup of coffee with friends at 3am ? |
| 00:41.55 | secretlondon | oh nowhere - posibly soho |
| 00:42.07 | z00dax | or a half decent place to eat, about thaat time |
| 00:42.17 | secretlondon | no 24 hr supermarkets here, which is prob good for the lcoal shops |
| 00:42.40 | z00dax | afaik, most soho places close doors by 11pm on weekdays |
| 00:42.49 | Leeds | there are - as far as I know - only a couple of 24-hour supermarkets in all of HK, one at the other end of town from me |
| 00:42.54 | secretlondon | i thought there were places aimed at clubbers |
| 00:43.04 | Leeds | on the other hand, there are 7-11 shops on almost every street corner... |
| 00:43.59 | Leeds | but they don't sell feta :-( |
| 00:44.18 | z00dax | secretlondon: there is a massive tesco about 4 miles down the road, the saisburys is medium'ish - the waitgrose down the road shuts as 8pm and there is a 24/7 asda in bexleyheath |
| 00:45.01 | z00dax | agh, typo! |
| 00:47.04 | z00dax | ok, sleep |
| 00:47.13 | secretlondon | night z00dax |
| 00:47.33 | secretlondon | the sainsbuy's may be 24 hour, but as I'd need a car to get there I've never been |
| 00:47.59 | secretlondon | always shops locally, preferably in walking distance |
| 00:48.17 | secretlondon | consideing I have a major shopping street and a street market within walking distance it's never a problem ;) |
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| 00:50.19 | secretlondon | cosy |
| 00:51.39 | Leeds | I have 4 supermarkets within about 7 minutes walk :-D |
| 00:52.04 | Leeds | one of the benefits of living in one of the densest urban areas on the planet |
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| 06:22.19 | Discordian | Morning |
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| 08:02.22 | axelS | morning all |
| 08:07.06 | bilarh_ | morning |
| 08:14.15 | ChoHag | What's better? Have users type 'sudo /etc/init.d/...' or have a restart-{whatever} wrapper script? |
| 08:16.38 | bilarh_ | i favour the restart script, less for users to remember |
| 08:17.19 | bilarh_ | i mean this in the nicest way, but even good users are "dumb", if you see what i mean, so if it helps them to type and remember less, it's usually a good thing to do it :) |
| 08:17.54 | bilarh_ | i don't mean dumb as in unintelligent, but as it's not their area, they wont be experts (just as we're not experts in whatever field they're in) |
| 08:18.05 | ChoHag | Well despite constant reminders, another luser forgot sudo and emailed us asking why it didn't work. |
| 08:19.04 | bilarh_ | exactly |
| 08:22.13 | ChoHag | Unfortunately it can't just be done. Proposals must be made and risks assessed. |
| 08:22.22 | ChoHag | I'm not entirely sure I can be arsed. |
| 08:22.27 | bilarh_ | ah, it's one of them companies :) |
| 08:22.31 | ChoHag | Aye. |
| 08:22.39 | bilarh_ | we're moving in the same direction |
| 08:22.43 | bilarh_ | it's going to be shit, i tell you |
| 08:22.53 | ChoHag | yup |
| 08:23.21 | bilarh_ | i love it how managers want to assess the risk of something, when most of the time they understand not even a tiny detail about how something is implemented or sometimes even why |
| 08:23.40 | ChoHag | We are going to have a meeting (it was going to happen yesterday but didn't) about implementing logrotate on mysql's slow queries logfile. |
| 08:23.42 | bilarh_ | it's a good way to stop runaway admins, i guess |
| 08:24.26 | ChoHag | So is a P45. |
| 08:24.32 | bilarh_ | hehe :) |
| 08:24.41 | bilarh_ | but then the damage is done already |
| 08:25.06 | ChoHag | But hopefully repairable before it gets excessive. |
| 08:27.26 | ChoHag | But yes, it has its worth. It's often (usually?) carried to excess though. |
| 08:30.58 | bilarh_ | yeah |
| 08:31.51 | bilarh_ | i used to work in a place where change control was painful, but still workable as if you needed an emergency change done, it could be done quite quickly |
| 08:32.13 | bilarh_ | and then they hired some new PMS'ed woman, who would just decline stuff, hear minimum lead time was 48 hours etc |
| 08:32.21 | bilarh_ | and she always refused emergency changes |
| 08:32.41 | bilarh_ | until one day, when there was a real emergency, and she refused it, so the whole processing was down for the whole night |
| 08:32.51 | bilarh_ | and account details werent being updated in peoples bank accounts |
| 08:33.00 | bilarh_ | unfortunately she just had a big telling off and not a p45 :( |
| 08:33.22 | bilarh_ | i think the big boss told her to "stop being so anal" :D |
| 08:34.35 | hali | we had a similar thing |
| 08:34.58 | hali | a guy asked an accounts girl to "be" MORE anal and then HE got the p45 :D |
| 08:36.40 | bilarh_ | hehe :D |
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| 09:44.41 | Blapto | Morning all |
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| 10:22.45 | ChoHag | Fun dat for Debian admins. |
| 10:22.47 | ChoHag | day |
| 10:23.07 | Blapto | I've done my keys already :) |
| 10:24.16 | wethrin | solves this by not running Debian |
| 10:24.25 | wethrin | Well, except on my home fileserver which has no interwebnet connection |
| 10:24.35 | wethrin | So I don't care. Plus I'm going to rebuild it at some point |
| 10:24.44 | LeedsHK | ubuntu isn't debian, right? |
| 10:24.47 | Blapto | wethrin: what do you run? CentOS? |
| 10:24.50 | Blapto | LeedsHK: sorry. |
| 10:24.56 | ChoHag | In this case it is. |
| 10:24.56 | wethrin | LeedsHK: It is Debian in this case |
| 10:25.00 | wethrin | Blapto: HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA |
| 10:25.08 | wethrin | I'm a BSD-weenie |
| 10:25.10 | Blapto | If you say Gentoo... |
| 10:25.12 | Blapto | Ah, OK |
| 10:25.16 | wethrin | I can do Slackware, too |
| 10:25.22 | Blapto | yuk |
| 10:25.31 | bilarh_ | the good old slackware days |
| 10:25.32 | etorix | i liked slack |
| 10:25.38 | ChoHag | Any of those is preferable to suse. |
| 10:25.40 | bilarh_ | damn all this new package management crap |
| 10:25.47 | etorix | nice an simple under the hood |
| 10:25.48 | ChoHag | It's like being back in 1995. |
| 10:26.16 | LeedsHK | I really need to get around to installing 12.1 |
| 10:27.16 | antiphase | They wouldn't have dared to path openssl back then |
| 10:27.30 | antiphase | s/at/atc/ |
| 10:28.32 | ChoHag | No, I mean using yast/rpm/looking-for-it-in-google-and-compiling-because-suse-doesn't-bloody-have-it-even-though-it's-in-debian-sarge is like being back in 1995. |
| 10:28.40 | ChoHag | Except this time I'm not on 56K at least. |
| 10:29.42 | wethrin | slapt-get FTW! |
| 10:29.52 | wethrin | (apt-type thing for Slackware) |
| 10:30.11 | ChoHag | As someone once said, paraphrased, you can prise my apt out of my cold dead fingers. |
| 10:30.46 | LeedsHK | has been a slacker for a long long time |
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| 11:22.33 | Discordian | Lo |
| 11:33.28 | Blapto | What is up? |
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| 11:39.31 | Discordian | Dunno |
| 11:39.44 | ChoHag | Trying to configure something without a shell is like having sex with your clothes on. |
| 11:39.45 | Discordian | is getting used to Fedora 9 |
| 11:39.46 | Blapto | It's an interesting concept. |
| 11:41.05 | ChoHag | On which note, I have no idea why Cacti (which the sysadmins don't manage) on this Windows box (which the sysadmins don't manage :) is not working. |
| 11:41.30 | ChoHag | Naturally it is all under the control of the notwork team, and they are proving to be deeplt terratorial. |
| 11:41.36 | ChoHag | deeply |
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| 12:01.32 | gregj | http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/DefencePolicyAndBusiness/MinistryOfDefenceReleasesFurtherUfoFiles.htm |
| 12:25.45 | ChoHag | Why are they always round? |
| 12:26.06 | ChoHag | lunches |
| 12:28.41 | bilarh_ | notwork hehe :D |
| 12:38.29 | hali | bilarh_: back in the uk? |
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| 12:48.42 | Nafallo | hali: still lunching? |
| 12:49.01 | Nafallo | hali: actually... when did the time run away like that? :-P |
| 12:49.11 | Nafallo | hali: you've probably already had lunch now. |
| 13:29.30 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Oi whats this mean? "fo da shizzle" is it some kinda Scandinavian insult? |
| 13:30.35 | cpufreak | fo da shizzle is not even remotely Scandinavian |
| 13:37.34 | dick_turpin | cpufreak: Well the bloke who wrote it reckons he is from there? |
| 13:38.16 | antiphase | Maybe he's a gangsta |
| 13:39.14 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Intersting, there was referances to drugs |
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| 14:15.22 | bilarh_ | hali: yes |
| 14:15.26 | bilarh_ | fucking traffic |
| 14:15.38 | bilarh_ | i spent one hour and a half going four miles to parcelforce and back |
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| 14:16.42 | bilarh_ | typical, dick_turpin keeps leaving when i actually have something sensible to ask him |
| 14:20.01 | bilarh_ | is there a way to export (e.g. using exp) all users in an oracle database? |
| 14:21.19 | Discordian | Yeah |
| 14:21.36 | bilarh_ | how? I can't find it on google :) |
| 14:21.42 | Discordian | You can export the whole db |
| 14:21.46 | bilarh_ | i've got this database i've dumped with exp |
| 14:21.58 | bilarh_ | but when i try imp, it says the users don't exist |
| 14:21.59 | antiphase | Use MySQL |
| 14:22.07 | Discordian | and then imp it into another instance |
| 14:22.09 | bilarh_ | antiphase: it's a bit late for that |
| 14:22.17 | Discordian | I used to do that a lot |
| 14:22.30 | bilarh_ | hrm |
| 14:22.37 | bilarh_ | do you need a special parameter or soemthing? |
| 14:22.39 | bilarh_ | i'm running this |
| 14:22.46 | bilarh_ | Full=Y |
| 14:22.47 | bilarh_ | Grants=Y |
| 14:22.48 | bilarh_ | Indexes=Y |
| 14:22.48 | bilarh_ | Rows=Y |
| 14:22.48 | bilarh_ | Constraints=Y |
| 14:22.50 | bilarh_ | Compress=N |
| 14:22.52 | bilarh_ | Consistent=Y |
| 14:23.51 | Discordian | let me fire up orrible |
| 14:24.12 | bilarh_ | that's a rather fitting name actually |
| 14:24.17 | bilarh_ | sums up what i think about it :) |
| 14:24.33 | Discordian | It's traditional |
| 14:25.57 | Discordian | select (1)entire database (2) users |
| 14:26.07 | bilarh_ | how? |
| 14:26.17 | bilarh_ | where, i mean |
| 14:26.22 | Discordian | or (3) tables |
| 14:26.29 | Discordian | in exp |
| 14:26.29 | bilarh_ | huh? |
| 14:26.31 | bilarh_ | where is this from? |
| 14:26.40 | bilarh_ | the command line tool, yes? |
| 14:26.43 | Discordian | yes |
| 14:26.51 | Discordian | as system/password |
| 14:27.05 | bilarh_ | oh |
| 14:27.11 | bilarh_ | you just run "exp" on it's own? |
| 14:27.15 | bilarh_ | without a parameter file? |
| 14:27.17 | bilarh_ | tries :) |
| 14:27.45 | bilarh_ | now why isn't there a blimmin parameter for that? |
| 14:28.19 | Discordian | I trust you found it then? |
| 14:28.38 | Discordian | don't need no param files |
| 14:28.47 | bilarh_ | yeah |
| 14:29.36 | bilarh_ | thanks :) |
| 14:29.36 | Discordian | np |
| 14:29.36 | Discordian | I did Oracle DBA duty for a good few years |
| 14:29.48 | bilarh_ | ah, you shouldn't have said that :) |
| 14:31.12 | Discordian | Why not, i like orrible |
| 14:31.28 | bilarh_ | because now i'll never stop bugging you for answers |
| 14:31.52 | Discordian | tis better than mysql for some stuff |
| 14:33.30 | Discordian | and free for non-commercial use |
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| 15:03.56 | bilarh_ | interesting: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7399760.stm |
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| 15:04.38 | bilarh_ | turns out that the dude who got stabbed on oxford street was one of the suspects in the rape of that girl last year where they poured bleach into her bits |
| 15:04.59 | bilarh_ | and, he was going to go to court in june for stabbing someone |
| 15:07.22 | Blapto | Random violence really is very rare |
| 15:07.47 | bilarh_ | i think so too, actually |
| 15:09.27 | bilarh_ | most of these teenage stabbings look to me like gang on gang violence anyway |
| 15:09.32 | bilarh_ | so good riddance, i say |
| 15:12.16 | Discordian | tries a cunning plan |
| 15:13.38 | antiphase | I'd deport them |
| 15:13.59 | antiphase | Australia is quite large I gather |
| 15:14.00 | Discordian | To where? |
| 15:14.22 | antiphase | Over 50 times the land are of the UK, and the same number of people |
| 15:14.55 | Discordian | the northern territory is mostly unihabitted |
| 15:15.09 | wethrin | They tried that before. All that resulted was better cricketers. |
| 15:15.20 | bilarh_ | and fosters |
| 15:15.38 | wethrin | Well, we have John Smith's and Boddingtons |
| 15:15.40 | bilarh_ | i'd build more prisons and stick them in there for a long time |
| 15:15.54 | bilarh_ | isn't sure wether fosters is good or not |
| 15:15.58 | wethrin | It's not |
| 15:16.05 | antiphase | We could just fling them into the Irish Sea with giant trebuchets |
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