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10:13.29morsingcurson!
10:15.32cursonmorning.
10:54.01morsingIs it illegal to shoot starlings?
11:02.39etorixsomeone shot him?
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12:53.44DiscordianUKAfternoon
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14:45.26rusveltgood afternoon to everybody
14:46.46wethrinhi
14:49.36boudiccasafternoon rusvelt
14:53.19bilarhaftrnoon
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16:25.59DiscordianUKFFS OLPC have abandoned Linux
16:28.34wethrinThey using Windows instead?
16:29.26etorixthat projects bin a bit messy from the start
16:30.43antiphaseNot really surprising considering the profile of it
16:30.49DiscordianUKXp yeah
16:32.51dick_turpinI'm disgusted I agreed with the OLPC concept when it first came on the scene
16:33.13DiscordianUKthe technology is innovative
16:33.57wethrinYeah. Pity they used 6-year-olds to design the thing
16:34.18DiscordianUKi'd have bought one
16:36.53antiphaseIt's not bad for a first attempt. Design by committee is never good, and I think they'll be superseded by something that isn't shit quite soon
16:37.26antiphaseWho cares what runs on it; it's better than counting with an abacus
16:37.59DiscordianUKlol
16:38.04antiphaseMicrosoft will have to diversify into something other than commercial software eventually like all the other companies are doing already because they haven't got the same clout
16:38.10DiscordianUKNever had one of those
17:03.19catalystantiphase: I think they should perhaps design, build and sell games consoles, don't you? ;)
17:08.08antiphaseI think they probably already did that for a laugh
17:10.00dick_turpinIf you means the Xbox 360 its a bag of crap, my replacement unit is on its way back to Germany with the famous 3 red rings
17:10.05dick_turpinmean
17:12.11DiscordianUKXbox 360 would be fun it could run Linux
17:12.30DiscordianUKOr OS X
17:13.36dick_turpinBut the hardware is crap it keeps going tits up so even with Linux on it would last about six months
17:14.03DiscordianUKSounds bad
17:15.03dick_turpinmy brother in-law has had 4 die on him and I know loads of others all with the 3 red rings
17:16.52DiscordianUKShame
17:17.04DiscordianUKThe CPU spec is nice enough
17:18.14dick_turpinI have no idea what spec they are, I'm not a gamer, I only play Halo its my wifes box
17:18.41DiscordianUKtriple core PPC as I understand it
17:18.57DiscordianUKI don't have one
17:19.14dick_turpinneither do I at the minute
17:20.12DiscordianUKWhereas as PS3 is single core with 6 service processors or someg
17:20.24DiscordianUKsomething
17:25.22z00dax7
17:25.56z00daxthe cell on it is capable of 8, they just turn off the 8th if all 8 work, or use all 7 if the 8th one fails.
17:26.06DiscordianUKisn't one devoted to stopping you running X?
17:26.20z00daxso higher waffer -> production yield since a non functional core does not mean the cpu is wasted
17:26.31z00daxrunning X ?
17:26.34z00daxX works fine
17:26.46z00daxI get 30fps or so in Xine at 720p
17:26.56DiscordianUKI thought it was slowed down
17:27.08z00daxits a framebuffer, yes, but its a hardware framebuffer
17:27.13DiscordianUKNot that I can afford a PS3
17:27.26z00daxalthough work is on for getting direct nvidia interface access, some people have got it working
17:28.04DiscordianUKI've happily run X on x86 frame buffers
17:28.15DiscordianUKIndeed athene does that
17:31.16DiscordianUKThere's stj..
17:31.36DiscordianUKThere's still much comedy on #fedora
17:36.00jdavieslong live the havoc that is #ubuntu ..
17:36.14AndyMillarheh
17:36.21AndyMillari'm avoiding those channels :p
17:36.34DiscordianUKi don't do debian/ubntu
17:36.47jdaviesAndyMillar: oh, come on, aren't you curious? just once ;-)
17:37.07DiscordianUKThey're way too religious
17:38.27AndyMillarjdavies: there are too many irritating people in those chans :(
17:38.34DiscordianUKAnd I#l
17:38.55DiscordianUKI'll admit apt annoys me
17:39.00jdaviesAndyMillar: as a member of the op team... I know.. :(
17:39.26DiscordianUKIn the same ways that doze does
17:40.34DiscordianUKie I find it counterintuitive
17:40.45jdaviesDiscordianUK: personally I love it, it "just works"
17:41.27DiscordianUKMostly Redhat/Centos/Fedora do too
17:42.01DiscordianUKis using F9 to char here,watch TV and stuff
17:42.27DiscordianUKs/char/chat/
17:42.49z00daxjdavies: it mostly works, not because of apt itself, but because of the repo behind it
17:43.08z00daxapt + dpkg themselves are quite basic
17:43.39DiscordianUKi wish planetccrma had stuff for F9 now
17:44.00DiscordianUKI use yum and rpm happily
17:44.01z00daxDiscordianUK: what are you looking for ?
17:44.09antiphaseapt/aptitude are so much better than anything out there, if only for the speed of them
17:44.34DiscordianUKI've most of the synths
17:45.31z00daxantiphase: have you tried yum recently ?
17:45.47antiphaseYum was terrible last time I used it
17:45.53z00daxi hear you.
17:45.57antiphaseIt was functional, but as slow as treacle
17:46.12AndyMillarjdavies: ah :)
17:46.21z00daxit's never been quick. but there have been fairly major changes in the 3.2.x and 3.3.x branches that make it quite quick
17:46.22antiphaseI don't have a modern version to hand though
17:46.33z00daxthe fedora guys did a lot of work to make it 'usable' on a olpc
17:46.48z00daxcentos-5.2 should have a 3.2.8.something
17:47.01DiscordianUKOn F9 yum is faster
17:47.13z00daxDiscordianUK: did 3.3.0 make it to f9 ?
17:47.45DiscordianUKmoment I'll check
17:48.28z00daxwould also be nice to have something like aptitude for yum
17:48.37DiscordianUK3.2.14
17:48.38z00daxI wonder why no one has started a project for that
17:48.59DiscordianUKthere's yumex
17:49.14z00daxtrue
17:49.41z00daxbut aptitude is ncurses based right
17:50.14DiscordianUKdpkg made me hurl
17:52.47DiscordianUKI'm sure it's fine if you like vi
17:53.14DiscordianUKI either use ex/ed or emacs
17:55.32AndyMillarvi is awesome
17:55.49DiscordianUKLol
17:55.55DiscordianUKI can use vi
17:56.13DiscordianUKin fact I do stuff most people wouldn't
17:56.37DiscordianUKBut I'd never choose to use it
17:57.46DiscordianUK:.,.+10s/xxx/yy/
17:58.21DiscordianUKis probably not something vi newbs do
17:59.22DiscordianUKand now Dr who!
18:00.16AndyMillarlol
18:00.49jdaviesAndyMillar: do you have gnupg intregrated into your vim?
18:01.41AndyMillari don't think so
18:02.42jdaviesAndyMillar: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gnupg.en.html#s-vimgpg
18:03.36jdaviesAndyMillar: add that to .vimrc and open any .asc/.gpg file and it decrypts it for viewing and encrypts it automatically when saving
18:06.37AndyMillarthat is kinda cool :)
18:08.17jdaviesI find it useful :)
18:09.29z00daxhas anyone got a reasonable patch for shell in Vim as yet ?
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18:50.32DiscordianUKnot here
18:51.11DiscordianUKBut i don't do vim
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20:00.16DiscordianUKOh dear
20:01.36AndyMillar?
20:02.41DiscordianUKTis quiet
20:03.21AndyMillarit's saturday night!
20:03.43DiscordianUKyes
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22:00.11haliGood Evening
22:03.11DiscordianUKL
22:03.14DiscordianUKLo
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22:59.11DiscordianUKwb
23:01.02hali"one giantic mother fucker!"
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