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| 00:56.14 | Leeds | finally some real weather! |
| 00:56.35 | Leeds | very heavy rain and nice thunder :-D |
| 00:56.39 | DiscordianUK | good ?bad? |
| 00:57.32 | Leeds | I'm safe inside and therefore it is good |
| 00:57.34 | DiscordianUK | Aye must be the monsoon season |
| 00:57.42 | Leeds | we call it 'summer' |
| 00:58.28 | DiscordianUK | It gets ugly |
| 00:58.47 | Leeds | certainly does |
| 00:58.57 | Leeds | should cut down on the humanity though |
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| 01:18.08 | DiscordianUK | wb |
| 01:46.10 | boudiccas | Leeds; humanity or humidity? |
| 01:46.36 | Leeds | boudiccas: yes |
| 01:46.54 | boudiccas | thats what i thought you meant :) |
| 01:47.09 | boudiccas | bloody insomnia |
| 01:47.40 | Leeds | welcome to thursday |
| 01:47.45 | DiscordianUK | aye I suffer too |
| 01:49.45 | Leeds | I have taken the gf to the station, been to the supermarket, come home and had breakfast :-) |
| 01:59.11 | boudiccas | right, back to bed and try to sleep ... again |
| 01:59.35 | DiscordianUK | Plan |
| 01:59.47 | DiscordianUK | I shall try too |
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| 08:10.29 | hali | nice to see the HP bribery system is still alive and kicking. a client just bought a bunch of 32-way itanic boxes |
| 08:21.07 | bilarh_ | jeez, house prices -2.5% IN ONE MONTH http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7424309.stm |
| 08:21.54 | hali | crap, probably means my rent will go up :( |
| 08:22.10 | bilarh_ | my rent went up last month for the first time in 2 years |
| 08:22.16 | bilarh_ | from 850 to 871 :( |
| 08:22.29 | bilarh_ | good job i don't hold an asset that lost 8k in the last year :D |
| 08:23.32 | Leeds | that is nationally... things can be quite different in different areas |
| 08:23.37 | bilarh_ | rue |
| 08:23.38 | bilarh_ | true |
| 08:23.43 | zaarg | yeah i'm sort of hoping my rent doesn't go up :| |
| 08:23.56 | bilarh_ | why would your rent go up because house prices fall? it doesn't make sense to me |
| 08:23.58 | zaarg | the prices are pretty stable in london surely though... |
| 08:24.08 | Leeds | my rent is going up - I hope |
| 08:24.28 | zaarg | i dunno maybe people want to pay off hte mortgage faster |
| 08:24.37 | zaarg | but in my case bills are included |
| 08:24.46 | zaarg | and energy prices have obviously increased too |
| 08:24.54 | bilarh_ | zaarg: so? it's not the tenant that takes the risk, it's the land lord |
| 08:25.19 | bilarh_ | i think rents are set by what people can afford to pay and supply of rentals |
| 08:25.21 | Leeds | when I say 'my rent' - I am a landlord :-) |
| 08:25.42 | bilarh_ | no shortage of supply around my neck of the woods, and if people can't afford to pay the asking rent, the place will remain empty |
| 08:25.43 | gregj | ;] |
| 08:25.46 | bilarh_ | IMO |
| 08:26.11 | zaarg | there's still nothing stopping a landlord increasing rent |
| 08:26.29 | bilarh_ | zaarg: well, there's that little matter of the tenant moving out and leaving the landlord with a void :D |
| 08:26.59 | zaarg | seen that happen plenty of times |
| 08:27.30 | zaarg | even if it's just twenty quid more per month, it's the principle |
| 08:27.52 | bilarh_ | twenty quid a month hardly makes up for the 6-7k asset value drop |
| 08:28.09 | Leeds | my tenant has given notice, so it's a case of asking more of a new person... the agent will drop the price if it looks like it's going to be empty, I assume |
| 08:28.11 | zaarg | but if at the same time you see lower rents around you |
| 08:28.51 | zaarg | in other news, i'm really not looking forward to being a student with no money again *sigh* |
| 08:29.14 | Leeds | if anyone wants a 2-bedroom place in Hendon for about 1k a month, let me know :-) |
| 08:30.11 | hali | where the fuck is hendon? |
| 08:30.28 | zaarg | barnet |
| 08:30.40 | hali | ah, bit to far out |
| 08:30.59 | Leeds | M1 J2 |
| 08:31.05 | bilarh_ | j2? |
| 08:31.09 | bilarh_ | that's watford isn't it? |
| 08:31.22 | Leeds | J5 is watford |
| 08:31.26 | bilarh_ | ah ok |
| 08:31.45 | Leeds | I was working in watford when I lived there |
| 08:31.51 | bilarh_ | oh right :) |
| 08:43.30 | zaarg | scary greater london |
| 08:57.36 | wethrin | zaarg: If you do a PhD, you should get funding |
| 09:00.13 | zaarg | wethrin: yeah i have funding |
| 09:00.23 | zaarg | but it's what a third of what i get paid atm? |
| 09:00.38 | wethrin | You don't pay taxes on it, though |
| 09:00.42 | zaarg | true |
| 09:00.44 | wethrin | So it'll be more than 1/3 |
| 09:01.03 | zaarg | i don't need much anyway really. |
| 09:01.15 | wethrin | As long as it keeps you under a roof, and in beer |
| 09:01.21 | zaarg | indeed. |
| 09:16.41 | Leeds | ah, tax... |
| 09:17.00 | Leeds | no PAYE here, and I expect to pay around 200 quid for 2007-2008 :-D |
| 09:49.41 | bilarh_ | Many aspects of human sexuality are very puzzling, take celibacy. |
| 09:49.41 | bilarh_ | This can be a choice in life, or a condition imposed by environmental factors. |
| 09:49.41 | bilarh_ | While attending a Marriage Encounter Weekend, my wife and I listened |
| 09:49.41 | bilarh_ | to the instructor declare, 'It is essential that husbands and wives know the things that are important to each other.' |
| 09:49.44 | bilarh_ | He addressed the men. 'Can you each name and describe your wife's favourite flower?' |
| 09:49.48 | bilarh_ | I leaned over, touched my wife's arm gently and whispered, 'Self raising, isn't it?' |
| 09:49.51 | bilarh_ | Thus began my life of celibacy |
| 09:51.30 | wethrin | Heard that on the radio this morning |
| 09:51.37 | bilarh_ | oh :( |
| 09:51.42 | bilarh_ | i just copied it from scoobynet |
| 09:51.43 | wethrin | Sorry :-) |
| 09:51.52 | wethrin | 'twas on the Wogan show |
| 09:51.54 | bilarh_ | i thought it was brilliant, though :) |
| 09:52.01 | wethrin | 'tis |
| 09:52.46 | bilarh_ | i don't think i've ever been this idle at work |
| 09:53.11 | bilarh_ | today i have closed a ticket in our ticket management system |
| 09:53.24 | bilarh_ | i actually sorted the problem yesterday, but forgot to close the ticket |
| 09:53.26 | bilarh_ | and taht's it |
| 09:54.44 | bilarh_ | even youtube is getting boring |
| 09:56.03 | zaarg | now i've sorted out the email mess i'm pretty bored too |
| 09:56.58 | wethrin | bilarh_: Youtube for "Rachmaninov had big hands" |
| 09:57.07 | wethrin | (it's quite worksafe) |
| 10:00.55 | Leeds | just made a formal complaint to one of the local bus companies about a driver |
| 10:01.08 | bilarh_ | leeds: why? |
| 10:01.19 | Leeds | bad attitude, essentially... |
| 10:02.13 | Leeds | took a late-night 'inter-town' bus last night after a dinner in the sticks... I guess he didn't realise we were onboard, so as we approached the terminus, he turned off the lights and aircon - we got up, thinking that meant we were close, walked downstairs, and he turned the lights back on... |
| 10:02.20 | zaarg | gosh, if i complained about bad attitudes here in london |
| 10:02.24 | zaarg | i'd be writing letters all day |
| 10:02.50 | Leeds | we got downstairs to find he'd stopped and opened the door on a yellow line, with no pavement, just a small banked bricked thing with plants on top |
| 10:03.31 | Leeds | my gf got off, I told her to get back on, said that wasn't the bus stop, asked the driver what was going on - he effectively said "this is the terminus, it's the last bus of the night, just get off" |
| 10:04.04 | Leeds | I think he was planning a quick getaway to the depot, avoiding going to the actual stop |
| 10:04.55 | Leeds | I refused to get off - it wasn't really a safe place to be walking on the road at night - so he drove a little further to where there was some pavement, told us to get off again... I asked for his name/ID and he refused to give it... |
| 10:05.16 | bilarh_ | that's outrageous. I hope he loses his job so that he and his kids are out on the street begging and selling themselves to raise some money for food |
| 10:05.34 | Leeds | if he'd just taken us to the pavement the first time, I wouldn't have minded so much |
| 10:05.54 | Leeds | but the first place he tried to drop us was dangerous |
| 10:06.07 | zaarg | :/ |
| 10:06.44 | Leeds | for what it's worth, I was talking to him in English, but my gf was talking to him in Chinese, saying the same things, so it wasn't a language thing... |
| 10:07.19 | bilarh_ | starts humming live and let live (GNR edition) |
| 10:07.22 | Leeds | customer service in HK is appalling - partly because people never complain about anything |
| 10:07.28 | antiphase | What does the SLA say? |
| 10:07.39 | Leeds | there is no SLA |
| 10:07.52 | Leeds | I could probably look up the law if I was that bothered - but I'm not |
| 10:08.31 | Leeds | "i do wish i can say what i want as well, not like hiding your feeling, but we learnt that since we born" is the way my gf puts it |
| 10:12.46 | bilarh_ | what's the difference between a "cottage" and a house? |
| 10:12.58 | wethrin | cottage tends to be smaller |
| 10:12.59 | bilarh_ | is cottage a house but with low ceilings? :) |
| 10:13.01 | bilarh_ | ah ok |
| 10:13.02 | wethrin | often more rustic |
| 10:13.02 | Leeds | cottage implies small and rural |
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| 10:30.09 | bilarh_ | lol: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/labour-unveils-plan-to-lose-last-remaining-votes-20080527978/ |
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| 11:02.30 | Dj_InstincT | http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/pmeo9hcjp7aw9.jpg |
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| 11:36.44 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin! |
| 11:37.10 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Bloody hell I thought you'd stopped speaking to me |
| 11:37.19 | bilarh_ | no i was just ignoring you \ |
| 11:37.48 | bilarh_ | so i hear you're gonna be jailed for having hentai now |
| 11:38.29 | dick_turpin | Na, it was the ferrets that dobbed me in |
| 11:38.49 | bilarh_ | you had pencil cartoons of ferrets going at it like... err.. rabbits? |
| 11:38.53 | bilarh_ | BURN HIM |
| 11:39.25 | bilarh_ | how many times have i told you that independant thought is forbidden? |
| 11:39.33 | bilarh_ | only thoughts that are in line with party policy will be accepted |
| 11:39.39 | bilarh_ | i might have to resort to calling you winston now |
| 11:41.03 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: You have no idea how true that statement is in certain groups and places |
| 11:41.12 | bilarh_ | you mean like the UK |
| 11:41.13 | bilarh_ | ? |
| 11:41.33 | bilarh_ | or do you *actually* have pencil drawings of ferrets going at it like rabbits? :-S |
| 11:41.37 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Um certain communities |
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| 12:33.51 | Dj_InstincT | ponders install KDE 4 |
| 13:00.01 | bilarh_ | still only closed one ticket today *gaaah* |
| 13:00.12 | bilarh_ | bashes his head repeatedly into the wall |
| 13:03.00 | dick_turpin | whacks bilarh_ from behind with a lump of 4 by 2 just to make doubly sure |
| 13:03.31 | bilarh_ | passes out, blissfully unaware of the boringness of work |
| 13:04.19 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Do what I do, pretend to work while messing about with ArchLinux :-) |
| 13:04.40 | bilarh_ | i've given up pretending |
| 13:04.50 | bilarh_ | now i run youtube on my dual 30" screens :) |
| 13:04.57 | bilarh_ | but it looks a bit cack, so i've scaled it down |
| 13:06.56 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Here's a question. Is it possible to turn system sounds on from command line? |
| 13:07.26 | bilarh_ | that is a very good question |
| 13:08.02 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: I have no 'Control Centre' installed |
| 13:09.25 | bilarh_ | to be honest, i'm completely the wrong person to ask, my sound doesn't even work in linux |
| 13:11.21 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Thats OK I'll spend the next 300 years trawling the net ploughing through endless mails and forums :-( |
| 13:11.48 | DiscordianUK | On F9 it's system-config-sound |
| 13:11.53 | bilarh_ | you were doing that already, except it was for cartoon sex earlier |
| 13:12.09 | bilarh_ | on the plus side, looking for sound card info wont get you arrested and put on the sex offenders register |
| 13:14.20 | dick_turpin | DiscordianUK: Thanks I know the RH commands however this is Arch using xfce |
| 13:15.38 | dick_turpin | whacks bilarh_ again with the 4 by 2 |
| 13:39.43 | zaarg | hooray, going to wales on saturday. |
| 13:39.46 | zaarg | i've never been to wales. |
| 13:41.09 | boudiccas | take a coat, it will probably rain |
| 13:41.22 | bilarh_ | remember the oversize boots |
| 13:42.20 | zaarg | heh |
| 13:43.48 | zaarg | so does anyone know a cheapish car rental place? |
| 13:44.15 | wethrin | They're probably all fairly similar in price |
| 13:44.25 | wethrin | Enterprise has weekend specials on their smallercars |
| 13:44.46 | bilarh_ | i tend to always rent from hertz |
| 13:45.00 | bilarh_ | i find them a lot cheaper where i rent cars |
| 13:45.03 | bilarh_ | mainly sweden, though |
| 13:45.41 | zaarg | hmm |
| 13:45.59 | zaarg | this is always the annoying bit. the getting there cheaply part. |
| 13:46.24 | zaarg | seems i'm too young to be let loose with a rental car anyway. |
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| 13:48.10 | wethrin | Are you over 21? |
| 13:48.48 | zaarg | yeah |
| 13:49.29 | zaarg | 24 |
| 13:50.16 | wethrin | They'll rent you the smallest car |
| 13:50.28 | wethrin | (Enterprise will, anyway) |
| 13:50.45 | wethrin | But they'll put a young-person levy on the hire price |
| 13:51.14 | wethrin | doesn't know about other hire companies |
| 13:51.31 | bilarh_ | hertz will as well |
| 13:51.38 | bilarh_ | but i can't remember if the cut off is 24 or 25 |
| 13:51.48 | bilarh_ | i don't fall into that category any longer, unfortunately :( |
| 13:52.19 | wethrin | 25 is the usual cutoff |
| 13:57.07 | zaarg | ...and the train are expensive. |
| 13:57.15 | zaarg | of coruse everyone is going to wales on saturday. |
| 13:57.21 | zaarg | yeah, most seem to be 25. |
| 13:57.36 | zaarg | i don't really want to hire a car for one day by myself. |
| 13:59.47 | wethrin | Get a railcard, get cheaper fares to Wales. And possibly advance purchase tickets |
| 14:00.42 | bilarh_ | where in wales you going? |
| 14:00.55 | Dj_InstincT | zaarg: you in london? http://www.excelcarrental.co.uk/ |
| 14:01.13 | zaarg | hay-on-wye |
| 14:01.18 | zaarg | for the festival |
| 14:01.26 | wethrin | Mm.....books |
| 14:01.33 | wethrin | needs to go to Hay at some point |
| 14:01.48 | wethrin | Hay isn't served well by public transport, is it? |
| 14:02.11 | zaarg | there's trains from hereford station to the festival bit. |
| 14:02.24 | zaarg | coachs and trains to hereford. |
| 14:02.38 | zaarg | *coaches |
| 14:02.51 | wethrin | Use train, then |
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| 14:07.34 | zaarg | well yes :) |
| 14:07.48 | zaarg | i'm now booked on the 05:42 train. |
| 14:07.52 | zaarg | shudders |
| 14:10.19 | zaarg | and of course getting to paddington to that time is non-trivial. |
| 14:10.23 | zaarg | anyway i should stop moaning! |
| 14:10.44 | wethrin | Taxi |
| 14:13.22 | bilarh_ | omg, i'm sitting here falling asleep |
| 14:14.23 | zaarg | taxi is the same price as the train fare to hereford probably. |
| 14:14.30 | wethrin | true |
| 14:14.52 | bilarh_ | zaarg: where you going from? |
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| 14:15.53 | zaarg | bilarh_: canada water |
| 14:17.13 | bilarh_ | looks confused... canary wharf'ish? |
| 14:17.29 | zaarg | yup |
| 14:17.34 | zaarg | tube stop before canary wharf :) |
| 14:17.37 | bilarh_ | argh, that will be a pain in the arse |
| 14:17.45 | bilarh_ | that must be rather expensive :S\ |
| 14:18.16 | zaarg | oh yes it's all very flash and expensive. |
| 14:18.23 | zaarg | :) |
| 14:18.50 | zaarg | i don't really like living there. i hope to move north next monthish. |
| 14:19.00 | bilarh_ | ah |
| 14:19.09 | bilarh_ | how much do you pay roughly out of interest? |
| 14:19.50 | zaarg | £850 bills inclusive in a five-person flatshare |
| 14:20.03 | bilarh_ | ah ok, not too bad actually |
| 14:20.39 | zaarg | it's through niceroom.co.uk... |
| 14:21.01 | zaarg | you basically pick a room and it's yours |
| 14:21.30 | bilarh_ | ace :D |
| 14:22.10 | zaarg | so it's not exactly homely |
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| 14:24.10 | bilarh_ | convenient, though |
| 14:24.30 | zaarg | yeah |
| 14:25.04 | bilarh_ | http://www.niceroom.co.uk/room-search/room-details/fingal-street-148/748 |
| 14:25.06 | bilarh_ | that's really cheap |
| 14:25.17 | zaarg | but i'd be happier in a smaller less nice room with people i get on with :'( |
| 14:25.20 | bilarh_ | i wish there'd been this kind of thing around when i needed a flat last :) |
| 14:25.30 | bilarh_ | ah you renting with a-holes? |
| 14:25.44 | zaarg | nah they're not a-holes. |
| 14:25.55 | zaarg | just...different. |
| 14:26.11 | bilarh_ | australian? :-S |
| 14:26.17 | zaarg | two |
| 14:27.06 | zaarg | bilarh_: i guess it's cheap because it's 24mins from the tube station. |
| 14:27.50 | trousers_ | BB/win 5 |
| 14:29.27 | bilarh_ | jeez, didn't see that :) |
| 14:29.33 | bilarh_ | but still, if you work in grenwhich, it's cheap :P |
| 14:32.40 | zaarg | yes :) |
| 14:55.37 | bilarh_ | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7425227.stm |
| 14:56.05 | bilarh_ | refrains from making jokes about klur's alterior nick :D |
| 14:56.48 | bilarh_ | i'm in the wrong career... i want to be like this woman: |
| 14:56.51 | bilarh_ | "she has built up an international reputation for her work on sports-related breast movement." |
| 14:56.57 | Dj_InstincT | bilarh_ nice work if you can get it |
| 14:57.15 | bilarh_ | this woman is dangerous and must be stopped: "They are designed to stop the bounce but Dr Scurr's study showed that breasts also move side-to-side and in and out." |
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