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01:18.26z00daxoooo another bethere.co.uk user!
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06:10.48morsingcurson:!
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07:24.38zaargmoin moin
07:24.49AndyMillarmorsing morsing
07:49.35morsingAndyMillar!
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09:10.41morsingAlex!
09:11.10AlexIs it a bot, or a person?
09:11.28Leedsare you asking if morsing is a bot?
09:11.45AlexWhois leads to 'no'.
09:11.50AlexMorning, all.
09:13.59Leedsafternoon
09:16.39Alexso, telehouse at midnight is unpleasant
09:22.37wethrinmorsing has, from time to time, exhibited bot-like characteristics
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09:49.01AndyMillarAlex: howso?
11:09.56morsingAlex!
11:10.00Alexmorsing!
11:10.20AlexAndyMillar: Getting in was interesting. The main entrance closes, and the 'alternative path' was blocked by building materials. It involved shimmying around one of the moatse
11:10.23Alexer, moats.
11:18.36AndyMillaryeah, i had that leaving there not so long ago
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12:36.11morsinggregj!
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12:44.59morsinggregj!
12:46.55wethrinHe's just bouncing
13:14.37gregj!
13:14.46gregjsomething's up with my conneciton
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13:21.01morsingcurson!
13:21.18morsinggregj: You're suffering from the boudiccas syndrome
13:22.20gregjI suffer from 'no cash, where's the nearest suicide booth' syndrome
13:25.20boudiccasmorsing; don't take my name in vain! please use your own :)
13:26.18Leedshey gregj :-)
13:26.27morsingLeeds!
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13:31.01morsingcurson!
13:31.27cursonhi
13:31.48gregjhey Leeds
13:32.09Leedsgregj: how's life?
13:32.10gregjgets rid of his imac, and sparc ultra 2 creator
13:32.21gregjLeeds: every day closer to the end, shit
13:32.29Leedsthat good, huh...
13:32.36gregjgot 8zl (roughly about 1.2GBP) on my account
13:32.46gregjhalf the tank in car
13:32.49Leedsnice
13:32.53gregjso at least I can go to my moms for dinner
13:33.21LeedsI'm not quite that bad, but I do currently have less in my bank account than I will owe for rent in a couple of weeks
13:33.52gregjon Monday something got me, I went to sleep around 1800, just to wake up 3 in the morning, with all sorts of weird visions
13:34.02gregjwhen I was able to measure my temp, it was 38.4C
13:34.11gregjnice way to begin a week
13:34.18Leedsvery good
13:34.22Leedsuh, are you working?
13:34.28gregjsure
13:34.39gregjrunning my own bussiness, still
13:34.48gregjso , there's ups and downs
13:35.04gregjlast 2 months, downhill, no doubt
13:35.05Leedsyeah, 'running my own business' doesn't mean the same thing as 'working'
13:35.29gregjok, working like hell, but for less money lately than if I would just 'work' for a company
13:35.39gregjif you ask me, if I thought about going back to UK - yeah,I ddid
13:36.25Leedsdoing random coding work?
13:36.45gregjbigger and smaller projects
13:36.59gregjalso employing few folks on occasion, to do stuff
13:37.13gregjbut lately there's real problem with skilled programmers here
13:37.30Leedstoo many of them?
13:37.36gregjeither they want shit loads of cash, or they just turn out to be loosers, who know no shit
13:38.03Leedsisn't 50% of the population of Poland doing plumbing in Birmingham, anyway?
13:38.49gregjyeah, but that's not sort of my bussiness area ;)
13:40.21gregjboth in terms of bussiness, and area
13:40.22gregj;p
13:41.19gregjhttp://allegro.pl/item381919896_apple_imac_g5_1_8ghz_1_25gb_ramu_250gb_hd.html
13:41.26gregjmy iMac goes under the hammer
13:47.12antiphaseBest thing for it
13:47.32gregjI mean, for auction, not literealy
13:47.52gregjat least so we say here 'under the hammer'
13:48.17Leedsgregj: don't worry, it's the right phrase :-)
13:48.23gregjok
13:48.24gregj:)
13:48.38gregjI usually find it right, just to say it the way I would say it in Polish
13:48.50gregjcos 90% of the time, it is the same thing in English
13:49.35LeedsI have trouble here with that sort of thing, because Chinese stuff translated into English normally comes out as nonsense :-)
13:49.54gregj:)
13:50.42gregjbtw, birds whispear that house prices in UK just went down, and the tendency continues
13:51.04gregjmight be a good time to buy a flat in UK, in case I would like to get there for a while ;>
13:51.11Leedswant to buy mine?
13:51.21gregjnot in london
13:51.30gregj120k GBP, and I can buy it ;p
13:51.41Leedssure, that'd buy you about 1/2 of mine
13:51.49antiphaseIT's probably the worst time in history to buy a house in the UK, as we're potentially on the bronk of a price fall
13:52.05antiphaseAnd they're massively overinflated at present
13:52.14gregjI would rather buy a house, in some quiet area, even outside of town, or on the outskirts (?)
13:52.23morsinghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moVAfGQn7M4
13:52.24Leedsbut probably a good time to sell :-D
13:52.38gregjprobably the last good moment to try to sell ;)
13:53.49gregjso rent must go up, or at least stay the same
13:53.50LeedsI don't want to sell... but I do have this vague idea of remortgaging, pulling out 10k-15k or so
13:53.51bilarhantiphase - the voice of reason
13:53.57gregjlandlords will want to compensate
13:54.00bilarhleeds: dont' do it for heavens sake
13:54.05gregjmorsing: is that in your natural tongue ?
13:54.10Leedswhy not?
13:54.30morsinggregj: No
13:54.48bilarhleeds: what is it they say about repent at leisure again?
13:54.57bilarhi forget, but i think it's fitting
13:55.10bilarhhave you got more than 25% equity at the moment?
13:55.31bilarhleeds: otherwise you'll find it hard to remortgage anyway
13:55.35morsinggregj: It's Bilarhs mother tongue though
13:55.41morsinginserts '
13:55.59bilarhmorsing: what unspeakable things do you know about my mother?!
13:55.59gregjmorsing: nice, volvo, before it was bought by GM, or other big crappy comp
13:56.08morsingFord
13:56.26gregjwhatever, nowadays all cars is just the same shit
13:56.40bilarhgregj: apart from subaru, of course
13:56.49gregjapart from those made by chinesse, which are death cage shit
13:56.59gregjbilarh: and maybe VW ;)
13:57.05Leedsbilarh: I've got approximately 65% equity - I bought in 2000 :-)
13:57.21bilarhleeds: ah :)
13:57.27gregjlucky bastard
13:57.29gregj;p
13:57.43bilarhleedS: just remember that it's not free money, it's jsut increasing your debt :)
13:57.55Leedsnot so much lucky... my dad 'forced' me into it... he was quite right, of course
13:58.38Leedsessentially, what he said was if I was earning a salary, I'd never build any equity from it - the only two ways to do that would be to start a company or buy property
13:58.48morsinggregj: I'm glad you think so
13:58.52morsingSubaru sucks
13:58.56gregjtrue
14:00.00bilarhmorsing: not as much as yo mum!
14:00.21bilarhbounces about on his nike airs in front of morsing
14:00.28bilarhwith a limp
14:02.02bilarhhmm.. i wonder if i should panic buy some fuel
14:02.32gregjmorsing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oGI29ZcyZ4&feature=related
14:02.37gregjmorsing: polish made car
14:02.40gregjP
14:03.01gregjfully handmade
14:03.19bilarhlooks suspiciously like a maserati and a porsche :)
14:03.27bilarhah the lotus seven copy? :)
14:03.32bilarhor morgan, maybe
14:05.08gregjthose are examples at the beginig of cars made outside of poland ;p
14:05.25Dj_InstincTexplains to yet another customer how aggressive BT/Yahoo mailservers are at deferring mail...
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14:16.12Leedsnice, native facebook app for Palm :-)
14:17.13morsingcatalyst!
14:17.25morsinggregj: Leeds is very cheerful today
14:47.48gregj;]
14:48.00Leedsalso, I just got tagged in a photo from 1995
14:52.58gregjmy god
14:53.16gregjchecks his facebook
14:56.36wethrinEveryone's on Facebook!
14:56.53boudiccasno they're not! I'm not and i'm part of 'everyone'
14:57.57wethrinNo you're not. YOu're from Kent.
14:58.20boudiccasno, i live in kent but i wasn't born here. i'm a northener by birth
14:58.36antiphaseProper bo
15:06.24gregjread somewhere, that when it comes to soccer you guys don't quite like Germany, why is it so ?
15:06.34gregjI thought only france is on the heated plate
15:06.34bilarhgregj: it's got to do with the war
15:06.46gregjzzzee germanzz
15:06.53gregjtrue
15:07.01gregjthat's why we hate them too
15:07.01gregj:P
15:07.05gregjbelive it or not ;)
15:07.12bilarhlooks shocked
15:07.20gregjsame goes for russia, stalin killed 10x more ppl than hitler
15:13.14Leedsgregj: but he never bombed London
15:14.09gregjand now US killed probably about the same hitler did, not all for so honestly peacefull reasons (for instance vietnam, which was thinktanked in US, same as iraq)
15:14.21gregjyeah sure, he never bombed cracow either
15:14.34gregjbut russians were more brutal than nazi germans
15:14.45Leedserm... yes and no
15:14.48gregjgermans had some rules, orderung must something
15:15.53antiphasearbeit macht frei
15:16.03gregjwork sets you free
15:16.06gregjthat's something different
15:16.16gregjorderung must something, means 'there must be an order'
15:16.34gregjor work makes you free
15:16.38antiphaseordnung muss sein
15:16.46gregjthat's the one
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15:30.03gregjknows that envy is a sin, but envies Leeds the good food he has a chance to eat out there
15:30.13gregjsend some frozen stuff over in UPS to me please :D
15:30.28gregj;)
15:30.46catalystwould prefer envy to be tan
15:30.51catalystor perhaps sinh
15:31.18Leedsthere's a lot of good food here, and some pretty affordable
15:32.10gregjonce I get back on my feet, I would love to get my arse over there for few days, just to see quite different culture, bit westernized, but always
15:32.39Leedsthe most recent excitement is finding a local sushi place which does all-you-can-eat lunch for $108, about 30 Polish z-things
15:33.11gregjPLN
15:33.12gregj:)
15:33.17gregjpolish new zloty
15:33.18Leedsalthough food prices have gone up recently
15:33.20gregjzloty = golden
15:33.30Leedsyeah, that's what I said - z-things
15:33.34gregj;]
15:33.57gregj30pln that's about 6-8 quid
15:33.59Leedscan get a local meal for about 1/3 of that
15:34.14Leedsveg/meat with noodles/rice and tea
15:34.51gregjthe only thing that sets me of is flight cost
15:35.29Leedsyeah, not so cheap
15:35.36LeedsI do have a sofa-bed available, of course
15:36.54gregjI wouldn't dare to ask
15:37.10gregjcheapflights.com doesn't know what cracow or warsaw is
15:37.17gregjgod damn americans
15:37.33gregjUnfortunately, we were unable to match your search criteria 'waw'. Please modify your search and try again.
15:39.44Leedslooks like there is no direct flight - got to change somewhere in Europe
15:39.59gregj4100 for one person
15:40.05gregjPLN
15:40.15gregjthat's about what I earn monthly, more or less, nic
15:40.16gregje
15:40.41LeedsI wish ibot's currency conversion worked
15:40.45gregjplus my GF, that's bit too much. oh well, maybe another time
15:40.54Leedseh, leave her behind
15:41.11wethrinAre we having a gllug trip to visit Leeds? :)
15:41.14Leedsor have her pay for you :-P
15:41.16Leedswethrin: any time
15:41.23wethrinhurrah!
15:41.34gregj4200, that's about 980 quid
15:41.35Leedsbut since you're all penniless layabouts, it isn't going to be soon :-P
15:41.58gregjshe just finishes her masters by the end of month
15:42.02gregjjobless
15:42.52catalystis about to graduate
15:43.34wethrinHa. The real world awaits
15:43.38gregjin argoculture, ... heh
15:43.47gregjyeah
15:43.53Leedsthe real world sucks - right, wethrin?
15:43.59wethrinLeeds: Yes, yes it does.
15:43.59bilarhgregj: that must be quite a good salary for poland?
15:44.03gregjthe real world feels like Piazzola tangos
15:44.08gregjbilarh: average in IT
15:44.45gregjif month is good I get over 10kPLN, if not so good - I don't get a thing, like for last two moths
15:45.33gregjof coz there are ppl working in IT for much less, but they usually can do stuff like change few cards, configure windows, and fill the paper in printer
15:45.35bilarhah
15:45.44gregjwe don't pay ppl here for just MSCE
15:45.53gregjin fact, MSCE means no shit here
15:46.01Leedsgregj: what are the taxes like?
15:46.03gregjmeans shit, I mean
15:46.08gregjkilling
15:46.13gregjI am on flat 19%
15:46.41gregjplus VAT, and 'ZUS', about 600PLN a month (that's the social security stuff)
15:46.43morsingBeer
15:46.55gregj3PLN a bottle
15:46.58gregj5-6 in pub ;p
15:47.03gregjin cracow, 10 in warsaw
15:47.05Leedsno VAT here, and my income tax will come to something like 1.25%
15:47.15gregjlucky bastard...
15:47.15Leedsfor 2007-2008
15:47.16gregj;p
15:48.06gregjanyways, time to go to my moms
15:48.26LeedsHK government had a large surplus last year... they put a lot of it in the bank, but cut taxes to 'spend' the rest
15:48.29gregjpierogi with straberries
15:48.33Leedsdropped all taxes on beer/wine
15:48.45Leedsdropped the income tax rates, and increased the allowance and bands
15:48.51gregjwhile everywhere else in the world, govs are putting more taxes on ppl
15:49.11gregjcurrently in EU we pay about 4x the taxes nazi germans were paying (which were the highest at that time)
15:49.15Leedsoffered various one-off payments - e.g. I am expecting a credit from the government of about 120 quid on my electricity bill at some point soon
15:49.23gregjand yet ppl wonder, why everything feels so shit now...
15:49.46bilarhgregj: you're right, we need to bring back the nazis!
15:50.10Leedsand then they offered a (capped) 75% discount on income taxes anyway!
15:50.11gregjand recently, they even want us to pay for co2 emission, which is spent on stuff not related to co2 emission at all, but who cares...
15:50.37bilarhgregj: stop being so selfish...
15:50.42Leedsgregj: the point about paying for co2 isn't to raise money to spend on it
15:50.44bilarhwishes someone would think of the children
15:50.53bilarhand the terrorists, ffs
15:50.58Leedsthe point is to make it more expensive to produce it
15:51.08gregjbilarh: that would be too plain , and stuppid conslusion
15:51.09Leedsbilarh: no worries, all the terrorists will be in jail for 42 days anyway
15:51.27gregjterrorists, the modern age enemy
15:51.28gregj:)
15:51.47gregjwell, the way I see it, they all lie to us big time, so ...
15:51.51gregjI am not being selfish a bit
15:51.51bilarhleeds: yeah :(
15:51.58gregjso stop accusing me
15:52.01gregjanyways, gotta go
15:52.06gregjbuy chaps
15:52.08gregjbye
15:52.09gregj:P
15:52.10bilarhi'm not accusing you :)
15:52.10Leedshave fun
15:52.14bilarhi'm mocking the government :)
15:52.46gregjI will,
15:53.06gregjLeeds: I invite you to Poland one day, got a sofa too ;p
15:53.20gregjblah, that was completly wrong sentence
15:53.22Leedsno way - I can't afford the flight! :-P
15:53.28wethrinLeeds: Get a job, then :-P
15:53.32gregjyou? no shit ;p
15:53.36Leedswethrin: you get a bloody job!
15:53.38gregjstop eating than, and save :p
15:53.45wethrinLeeds: I have a job!
15:53.51wethrinWell. I earn money.
15:53.52gregjyeah, wethrin stop studying, work!
15:53.56Leedssince when do you have a job?
15:54.01wethrinLeeds: Since 1st Feb
15:54.09gregjgoes, bye to all
15:54.11Leedswhat is that job?
15:54.19wethrinResearching OLEDs
15:57.23Leedsthat's not a job
15:57.48Leedswell, maybe it is... I don't really care :-P
15:59.22wethrinLeeds: They pay me. What more matters?
16:00.20zaargi'm a genius!
16:00.33zaargjust did an IQ test
16:00.39zaarg:)
16:03.51boudiccaswethrin; what are 'OLED's'???
16:04.04wethrinOrganic LEDs
16:04.34boudiccasah, right, thanks
16:05.52Leedsmade from stem cells, right?
16:06.33wethrinNot quite
16:06.57boudiccasthings like glow worms?
16:07.09wethrinNot quite
16:07.17boudiccashmmm
16:07.21wethrinhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLED
16:08.54boudiccasah, right! now it makes sense
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17:27.59morsingtrousers!
17:28.06morsingtrousers: You need a haircut
18:08.10morsinghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Circle_(Iceland)
18:42.29jpdsmorsing: hey there
18:43.03morsingjpds!
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19:44.58morsinghttp://www.ashleyforcepictures.com/?pp_album=main&pp_cat=ashley&pp_image=af.jpg
19:48.04AndyMillarwhy does http://gllug.org.uk/uploads/IRCfaces/Leeds.png remind me of someone who lives in leeds? :p
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19:54.44morsingtrousers!
19:54.45morsinghttp://www.staautogearbox.co.uk/index.shtml
19:55.51antiphaseDo they run Linux?
21:11.10z00daxmorsing: are you now in the autogearbox trade ?
21:12.49morsingz00dax: No - but quite impressed such a specialist company isjust a mile from where I live
21:13.20morsingAlso, spent weeks last month trying to adjust my governor but never succeeded. Maybe they can help
21:14.00antiphaseJust tell him you're not coming to work tomorrow
21:14.27morsingz00dax: You're ill?
21:24.41z00daxmorsing: a bit
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21:33.09morsingtrousers
21:33.09morsing!
21:33.13morsingG'night all
21:34.17z00daxmorsing: nite
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