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08:21.34morsingPussInBoots!
08:27.01zaargmorning folks
08:27.38morsingzaarg!
08:56.35morsingWhy won't the Ubuntu installer see my harddrive?
09:06.05Leedsbecause it's plugged into an MFM port?
09:08.19morsingOh, I forgot about thise
09:08.39morsingGeeezzz, that did something to the speed at least!!!!!
09:13.35morsingRight, BIOS can only detect one HD at a time, never both?!?!
09:15.45Leedswhat sort of machine are you on?
09:15.53LeedsIDE or SATA drives?
09:18.58morsingPC, two IDE drives, I've only got one jumper
09:19.19morsingNo matter what I do, it will suddenly only recognise a drive as secondary
09:19.25morsingAnd it's very slow
09:19.34AndyMillarcable select not working? :/
09:19.34morsingAnd Ubuntu installer can't see either
09:19.43morsingAndyMillar: Tried all settings
09:20.26AndyMillar:/
09:21.26Leedsdodgy cable would be my thought
09:22.10morsingHmm...
09:22.44morsingGod I hate PCs
09:23.30Leedsyeah, we know that
09:25.19morsingWhat's it doing now...
09:25.27morsingis waiting...
09:26.04morsingWon't enter BIOS now
09:26.55AndyMillarold pc?
09:34.33morsingNo
09:36.42morsingHey, the permanently on HD activity LED is now off :-)  Good sign
09:39.31morsingErrmmm.... Ubuntu can now see the disk but... It's saying it's a SCSI disk and calls it sda1!!!!!!!!
09:41.20AndyMillarwhat ubuntu version?
09:41.39morsingLatest
09:41.44morsing8.04 or something
09:41.48morsingDownloaded yesterday
09:42.27AndyMillarthat may be intentional
09:42.38morsingRight... Bizarre
09:42.43AndyMillaras the upgrade to 8.04 renamed a load of devices to sdX
09:42.50AndyMillarso fucked up your system ;)
09:43.41morsing*sigh*
09:43.49morsingWhy do we put up with Linux...
09:44.08morsingAnyway, need to go pulll the driveshaft from the Volvo
09:44.11morsingbbiab
09:51.31antiphaseUbuntu has been using libata for ages
09:51.40antiphaseAnd if you upgrade correctly it isn't a problem
09:56.41AndyMillarantiphase: i suspect it's a "upgrade from epicly old ubuntu" problem
09:57.10antiphaseThat's an invalid operation ;)
09:57.45AndyMillar;p
09:58.12antiphaseLTS to LTS, and adjacent version upgrades are the only supported operation
10:00.43AndyMillardon't blame mme, it wasn't my server :)
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10:05.31morsingcurson!
10:08.12morsingRight, sole reason for installing this was to get my scanner to work and it still doesn't work
10:08.50morsingMy god Linux sucks
10:09.11morsingxsane hangs for about a minute then exits X
10:09.29wethrinUse FreeBSD, then
10:12.29Leedsjust use windows - everything works when you use windows, and if it doesn't, you can pull out your license number and call their support line for efficient friendly help
10:13.02morsingThe scanner did make a noise the first time though
10:15.30morsingWhat's ADF?
10:15.57morsingAnd it's created some files in /tmp
10:23.49LeedsAccidentally Dirty Firmware
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12:03.50wethrinrampages round the Thunderbird developers with a GIANT METAL BAR
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12:17.40morsingcurson!
12:17.49morsingsneezes on wethrin
12:17.56morsingAndyMillar: Sennepsmoerbrad?
12:21.32AndyMillar?
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12:24.19morsingshevek_!
12:24.24shevek_me?
12:24.27AndyMillaryes, you
12:24.32shevek_notes that "hi, and I am not a bot"
12:24.33bilarhmorsing: sounds disgusting
12:24.42shevek_bilarh: it is, I assure you
12:25.02shevek_AndyMillar: :-)
12:25.22shevek_btw, is gllug webmaster here?
12:25.40bilarhshevek: ah you've had the pleasures of "Sennepsmoerbrad"
12:25.49shevek_The web page says "Hi there are two lists, here are three of them."
12:25.58bilarhis it like warm apple pie?
12:26.15shevek_bilarh: I don't speak that. :-( I speak a few things, but mostly limited to profanities.
12:26.34bilarhshevek_: cool, we'll get along just great!
12:28.07shevek_http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp # you clearly need one of these
12:29.17bilarhjesus christ
12:29.27bilarhis that a cable for 499 dollar!?
12:29.41wethrinhttp://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM
12:29.44wethrinRead the reviews
12:30.09shevek_It looks like it's even CAT5 wiring layout.
12:30.30bilarhi love how a digital signal needs lots of insulation
12:30.42wethrinIndeed
12:30.51wethrinWell, y'know.
12:30.57wethrinDepends on circumstances
12:31.17bilarhyeah i suppose if you had a hydro power plant next to it, maybe it would make a difference
12:31.44wethrinWell, if you have any sort of electrically noisy environment
12:31.45bilarhor if you were trying to feed mains voltage down the shielding at the same time to save on cabling cost
12:31.52shevek_Shit, if I had their balls, I'd do it.
12:32.07bilarhthe directional bit is so stupid as well
12:32.10wethrinAudiofool stuff is so much fun to laugh at
12:32.26morsingBeer
12:32.34bilarha bit like morsing :)
12:32.36wethrinDon't forget - the cable is best put at a slight angle to allow the bits to be assisted by gravity
12:33.03wethrinDammit. I've got "Bright Side of Life" stuck in my head
12:33.28shevek_"... Since then, I can't find the cat ..." -- what a great review
12:33.57wethrinshevek_: Which page has the thing about the mailing lists?
12:34.31wethrinAh.
12:34.37wethrinThe one on the mailing lists...
12:35.06shevek_wethrin: yes, that one.
12:35.09bilarhanother one i love are the usb cables pc world sell that are specially designed for high speed internet
12:35.12wethrinshevek_: Fixed
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12:35.49shevek_wethrin: :-)
12:36.14shevek_wethrin: I'm trying to promote an event, and so I'm mooching around trying to find the polite and diplomatic way of doing so. Any advice?
12:36.26wethrinIs the event Linux-related?
12:36.32AndyMillarshevek_: what's the event?
12:36.35wethrinIf so, throw it at the Gllug list
12:36.39shevek_It used to be, but it's grown to encompass lots of things.
12:36.56shevek_AndyMillar: http://www.techadventure.org/
12:37.05morsingcurson!
12:37.10bilarhshevek: does it feature teenage lesbians? otherwise i'm not interested
12:37.12cursonhi
12:37.17shevek_A lot of robotics and electric car hackers and other things turned up, and we couldn't throw them out just because they don't run Linux.
12:37.28wethrinOh, that looks quite coo
12:37.30wethrin+l
12:37.32shevek_The recording studio runs Linux.
12:37.39shevek_I think the radio station does too
12:37.48shevek_And some of the robots do.
12:38.02wethrinPity it's in Bristol, though
12:38.15shevek_Only place I could get a big enough space.
12:38.58wethrinRandom tech events are good. Specially if they're more involved in the electronics side of things
12:39.15wethrinI suppose you'd need space for people to turn up with transport, so London itself is a bit out.
12:40.03shevek_mmm, we have a car park
12:40.09shevek_it's big enough for someone to strip a prius and a city el
12:41.43shevek_any suggestions for publicity other than mailing to the list? Do you mean general, social or announce?
12:42.11wethrinGeneral list
12:42.46wethrinGiven it's not a London thing
12:43.20shevek_ok, will do :-) Thanks
12:43.32wethrinYou could also throw it at Lonix
12:43.49shevek_I subscribed to lonix a while back, and other than a mail saying "Hello, <<name>>", I've had nothing.
12:43.57shevek_Is the list dead, or have I done something wrong?
12:44.06wethrinThe list's mostly dead
12:44.17shevek_ah, ok
12:44.38shevek_I was on gllug a long time ago, but it was too high bandwidth for me at the time.
12:47.55wethrinIt's not all that high any more
12:48.02wethrinExcept when people argue about top posting
12:48.27bilarhwethrin: ugh, yes
12:49.05wethrinwonders how many people who argue TOP POSTING NEVAH NEVAH NEVAH have actually held down a real job
12:49.07bilarhwhat i don't like is how a well defined topic always ends up veering of in completely the wrong direction, and then there's a long chain of mails about something completely irrelevant to the original topic
12:49.31morsingis with wethrin (for once)
12:49.34bilarhwethrin: i think it's mainly unsecure nerds :)
12:49.35wethrinEh. That just happens in normal threads of discussion
12:49.51bilarhwethrin: well why don't they change the subject then?
12:50.03wethrinPersonally; I don't like top-posting for discussion lists, because it breaks the flow of conversation
12:50.25bilarhif i see a subject line of "3g modems" i don't expect to see a discussion of renaissance painters
12:50.34bilarhs/of/about/
12:50.36wethrinBut if I'm mailing about stuff for work-related materials, or even just between myself and a friend, then I don't particularly object to top-posting
12:50.42wethrinMeans I don't have to scroll down
12:54.23morsingCawfy
12:54.28bilarhi'm feeling a wee bit bored, i must admit
12:54.40bilarhbloody customs is holding my disk packs as well, the bastards
12:54.43bilarhfor the past ten days
12:55.09wethrinPay them
12:55.13bilarhand apparently because we ordered so much stuff, our fedex account has to be cleared and have funds added again
12:55.17wethrinFail.
12:55.30wethrinI'm feeling a bit bored. I think I'll have lunch.
12:55.35wethrinWashed down with a tasty TEA
12:55.39bilarhi.e. we could pay the customs charge for 300k, but for the additional 150k i'm really really waiting on, we have to wait for a cheque to clear etc etc
12:55.42bilarhwhat a bunch of wank it is
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12:55.56morsingPussInBoots!
12:55.58bilarhI'm preparing a stake to burn fedex at as we speak
12:56.14wethrinUm. Your *customs* charge is 300k?
12:56.18morsingwethrin: Where's Sally?
12:56.30bilarhno the value is 450k
12:56.35wethrinAhh
12:56.42bilarhi don't know what the customs charge works out at
12:56.46wethrinmakes rude noises at morsing
12:57.04wethrinI think the usual charge is approximately two arms
12:57.11morsingsneezes on wethrin's fry-up
13:01.05wethrinMmm.....extra mozarella
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13:19.25morsingBlapto!
13:19.29Blaptomorsing!
13:20.48wethrinHey Blapto
13:20.57BlaptoHello, wethrin
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13:37.03Blaptohttp://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/Owls/ made me laugh a lot
13:45.22shevek_Cool, I just borrowed a 3d printer.
13:45.31shevek_for techadventure. :-)
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13:46.02wethrin3D printer.....what does it use for the substrate?
13:47.04Blapto3D printers are awesome
13:50.21shevek_Some sort of plastic.
13:50.30shevek_http://www.reprap.org/bin/view/Main/WebHome
13:55.36morsingdick_turpin!
13:58.18dick_turpinmorsing: :-)
14:04.56Dj_InstincTffs - no wget, no fetch, no lynx, no links[2] - any other ideas or am I stuck with ftp?
14:05.19morsingThat's what Linux has turned into unfortunately
14:05.31wethrinDj_InstincT: curl?
14:05.53bilarhdj_instinct: heh, i once used bash with /dev/tcp to download a binary off a web site :)
14:07.05Dj_InstincTwethrin: yeah seems to be installed but does nothing with curl http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/J/JI/JIMT/Mail-Bulkmail-3.12.tar.gz
14:07.16dick_turpinbilarh: Nobody likes a smart Alec
14:07.33bilarhdick_turpin: nobody likes you either, but do i rub your nose in it all the time?
14:07.44bilarhi can't help being brilliant
14:07.46dick_turpinbilarh: Your mum does
14:07.58dick_turpinbilarh: Unlike you :-)
14:08.55wethrinDj_InstincT: curl http://website > foo
14:09.43Dj_InstincThrrm curl curl http://search.cpan.org/ works - curl curl http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/  fails
14:09.49Dj_InstincT1 curl
14:10.07Blaptotelnet port 80!
14:10.51antiphaselwp-request
14:11.33Dj_InstincTI hate this server - no su  and trying to install global php/perl modules :/ will go back to wget on my local box then FTPing up
14:12.14Dj_InstincTcurl *should* have worked I feel
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14:16.48bilarhhali: irssi reset? :(
14:16.57morsinghali!
14:21.00halibilarh: switched from monroe back to emma
14:21.13bilarhah
14:21.25haliemma emmwas down for a day
14:22.58bilarhshe's getting old and incontinent
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14:23.06bilarhspeak of the devil :D
14:23.40dick_turpinboudiccas: You woman you :-P
14:23.49boudiccasyerrrsss???
14:24.02boudiccaswhats wrong with being a woman?
14:24.07bilarh16:28 < bilarh> she's getting old and incontinent
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14:24.12dick_turpinboudiccas: Finally got out of bed then?
14:24.31boudiccasi feel like i'm missing something, like the start of the relevant converastion :)
14:24.43boudiccasno, finally got connected to the internet
14:24.59boudiccasbeen having connection problems
14:25.23dick_turpinboudiccas: Pay your bill it works wonders :-D
14:25.39boudiccasits paid automagically via direct debit :)
14:25.42morsingboudiccas!
14:25.50boudiccasmorsing!
14:28.27dick_turpinboudiccas: You've got money? I'm on my way down
14:28.47DiscordianUKlol
14:28.47bilarhdick_turpin: you dirty whore
14:29.45boudiccas:)
14:30.28boudiccasby diligent miserliness i've managed to save a bit, but what i have is all mine, an di intend it to stay that way too
14:30.41boudiccas*and i
14:31.31bilarhlots of change in the pockets of the washing lately?
14:31.33DiscordianUKsuspects I'll loose net access soon
14:31.43dick_turpinpolishes himself up so he can relieve boudiccas of some of her hard saved readies
14:32.25DiscordianUKI can always go to the libary
14:36.31boudiccasits all the loose change in my handbag, i've had to develop shoulder muscles just to carry the increased weight
14:36.55BlaptoDo you walk round in circles?
14:37.06boudiccasnot normally
14:37.34boudiccasbut i did become a bit lop sided until i developed the aforesaid muscles
14:38.10dick_turpinboudiccas: Are you sure its your handbag (You just know where this is going)
14:38.22boudiccaspositive
14:38.32boudiccasand no, i dont :)
14:38.57boudiccaswith regard to dick_turpin polishing himself up, my reply is 'shiny'
14:39.22bilarhpoints out that you can't polish a turd
14:39.33dick_turpinboudiccas: Bastard
14:39.36boudiccasoooh nasty
14:39.51dick_turpinboudiccas: Oops
14:39.57boudiccasthey are always male, females are bitchy
14:40.00dick_turpinbilarh: Bastard
14:40.23bilarhi tried once, but it i still ended up with a turd
14:40.46bilarhand dirty hands
14:41.00dick_turpinplans to shit on bilarh from a great height
14:41.05wethrinYou should've gold-plated it first
14:41.29bilarhdoubts dick_turpin has any gold plating, except maybe for his teeth
14:41.46boudiccasshiny!
14:42.10bilarhdick_turpin: put your knob back in, boudiccas is getting excited
14:42.18boudiccaslol
14:42.24dick_turpinbilarh: That'll make me better than you then because by the end of the day you won't have any
14:42.34boudiccasbeats me why he's holding a door knob atm
14:42.56boudiccasprepatory to opening the door maybe
14:43.01bilarhdick_tuwpin: aww, calm it gwamps
14:43.10dick_turpinboudiccas: That reminds me of the joke about a wife and a door knob
14:43.22bilarhoh great, here we go
14:43.23boudiccassounds iffy dick_turpin
14:43.26wethrinHm.
14:43.55boudiccaswethrin; hmmm?
14:43.57dick_turpinTakes too long to tell so you can all breath a sigh of relief
14:44.03wethrin"Firefox aims for download record". also known as "Mozilla tries for DDoS of the interweb
14:44.06wethrinIdiots.
14:44.08boudiccasme relaxes and exhales
14:44.18bilarhwethrin: :D
14:44.18wethrinputs a closes " on one of his statements
14:44.34wethrinWell, it's their head of marketing who thought it was a good idea
15:10.30bilarhi'm going home
15:10.32bilarhsee you later people
15:10.36bilarhand dick_turpin
15:10.55dick_turpinbilarh: Bye bye baby baby goodbye
15:11.09bilarhjanis, is that you?
15:11.26dick_turpinForget who sung that
15:11.35bilarhjanis joplins afaik
15:11.41bilarhafaicr, even
15:11.44bilarhbut it ight have been a cover
15:11.57dick_turpinna Bay City Rollers more like
15:14.40boudiccasdick_turpin; bay city rollers
15:14.55DiscordianUKerrrk I remember them
15:15.16dick_turpinboudiccas: I never liked them
15:15.33DiscordianUKtheir manager lived round here
15:15.45boudiccasdick_turpin; given time you should get beeter and like some of the best in music
15:16.07boudiccasits just fun to listen to and recall past events :)
15:20.11dick_turpinboudiccas: What like when I had hair?
15:26.01boudiccasdick_turpin; you can remember that far back then? :)
15:26.54dick_turpinBetter still there is a super8 cine film knocking around with me sporting a Ziggy Stardust hair cut
15:30.15boudiccasdick_turpin; wow! :)
15:30.33dick_turpinboudiccas: No that was Kate Bush
15:30.41boudiccaslol
15:31.23DiscordianUKbowie++
15:35.26boudiccasground control to major tonks
15:35.55DiscordianUKtonks as in Radio XFM?
15:38.21dick_turpinboudiccas: I have all the albums on vynal, CD, DVD and my freedom hating ipod (Oh and a couple of tapes too)
15:38.45DiscordianUKi have some bowie albums
15:38.48DiscordianUKnot all
15:39.05dick_turpinwhich ones?
15:39.29dick_turpinshrugs
15:39.49DiscordianUKZiggy alladin sane, diamonds dogs, heroes
15:40.20dick_turpinExcellant is Ziggy on CD?
15:40.28DiscordianUKyeah
15:41.22dick_turpinPity if you had the vynal it tells you to play at full volume, my mum and dad and all the neighbours had a fit when I was younger
15:41.30boudiccaslol
15:41.48DiscordianUKlol I have ziggy on vinyl
15:42.18DiscordianUKbut not had a record deck in around 15 years
15:42.21dick_turpinin the words of another old song "Pump up the volume, dance dance"
15:44.31boudiccasi dont know that one dick_turpin , who sang it?
15:46.56dick_turpinboudiccas: Not sure I'm brilliant with songs not so hot with artists
15:47.25boudiccasfairy snuff
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15:49.32dick_turpinboudiccas: Pump Up The Volume - M/A/R/R/S (#3 - 1988) apparently?
15:50.51antiphaseI'd have said it was earlier than that, but there you are
15:51.02antiphaseIt was on Now That's What I Call Music 10
15:51.04morsingLeeds!
15:51.11dick_turpinDunno I just googled for it
15:51.20Leedsone-hit wonder...
15:53.06antiphase1987
15:53.10antiphasewins
15:53.56Blaptohas owls in his gravy
15:54.28dick_turpinhands antiphase the crown with a tear in his eye
15:55.57Leedswonders what the competition was
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17:28.43z00daxhali: around ?
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18:24.28morsingjpds!
18:24.43jpdsmorsing: man, I just had to /cycle to see if you would do that :)
18:24.45jpdsmorsing!
18:31.03DiscordianUKdownloads FF3
18:31.53boudiccasDiscordianUK; i've found when trying to open the firfox file in ark that it just takes over the cpu until i kill it
18:31.58boudiccas*firefox
18:32.14DiscordianUKark?
18:33.05boudiccasyep, ark
18:33.14DiscordianUKOh that
18:33.18DiscordianUKnever use it
18:33.35boudiccasi use it all the time
18:33.59DiscordianUKI assume you mean today's firefox?
18:42.27boudiccasyes
18:42.32boudiccasfirefox 3.0
18:42.59DiscordianUKit's just hitting the F9 mirrors atm
18:43.08morsingyoghurt
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