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06:56.42 | morsing | Provito! |
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07:11.35 | morsing | etorix! |
07:17.49 | morsing | What's EDT time? |
07:20.18 | etorix | time u learned how to use the google button? |
07:25.50 | morsing | Idiot |
07:41.55 | AndyMillar | what morsing said |
07:56.16 | bilarh | scratches his head. There's no D in "google button"? |
08:43.43 | hali | morning |
08:45.12 | zaarg | orning |
08:45.21 | bilarh | morning |
08:51.44 | jpds | moin |
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09:19.33 | morsing | curson! |
09:19.35 | morsing | inDj_InstcT! |
09:23.36 | DJ_InstincT | anybody here got reccomendations for a voip provider [IAX]? |
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09:28.44 | morsing | Blapto! |
09:29.11 | Blapto | morsing! |
10:27.36 | Blapto | is drinking Ubuntu Cola |
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10:44.20 | hali | sigh |
10:48.19 | hali | big boss wants us to build a "Microsoft Dynamics CRM" setup... |
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10:57.52 | bilarh | what is CRM anyway? |
10:57.56 | bilarh | customer relations management? |
10:58.24 | dick_turpin | bilarh: My favourite subject |
10:59.42 | hali | yes |
10:59.48 | bilarh | hali: ugh |
10:59.59 | hali | the concept of _a_ crm is good |
11:00.04 | hali | this crm doesn't look very nice |
11:01.07 | bilarh | dick_turpin: give us some war stories from the trenches |
11:04.20 | dick_turpin | bilarh: "Hello your emails not working" |
11:04.40 | dick_turpin | "What do you mean not working?" |
11:05.16 | dick_turpin | I open Outlook Express and its asking me to setup my account, all my mails have gone |
11:05.41 | dick_turpin | So our service is not broken its your mail client |
11:06.02 | dick_turpin | No you provide our mail so its you |
11:06.45 | dick_turpin | sod off you idiot |
11:06.53 | dick_turpin | Not really :-) |
11:21.09 | bilarh | dick_turpin: i was thinking more like the ww1 trenches, you were in it weren't you? |
11:23.48 | dick_turpin | bilarh: No but I was with Harold at the battle of Hastings if that's any use to you? I distinctly remember say "They'll have someones eye out in a minute" |
11:23.58 | dick_turpin | saying |
11:25.02 | dick_turpin | hali: What CRM are you using? |
11:25.37 | hali | dick_turpin: nothing yet, but we are looking in to using MS Dynamics CRM .. |
11:27.29 | dick_turpin | hali: Hm, I was thinking of implementing that at one stage but I decided we'd stick with ACT! |
11:27.50 | hali | whats act? |
11:27.53 | hali | googles |
11:28.05 | hali | ah, the sage one |
11:28.06 | bilarh | heh, i remember act |
11:28.08 | hali | we use sage for financials |
11:28.12 | dick_turpin | hali: Its now owned by Sage |
11:28.20 | dick_turpin | Oh you found it |
11:28.20 | bilarh | it used to be symantec, no? |
11:28.29 | dick_turpin | bilarh: yeah |
11:28.46 | bilarh | i quite liked it at the time, i must admit |
11:28.46 | hali | symantec is selling businesses as crazy now |
11:28.55 | bilarh | but this was when i was 18 :) |
11:29.04 | bilarh | 10 years ago :S |
11:29.08 | dick_turpin | WE are still on the old version, Sage Act needs a gazillion CPU and ram |
11:29.18 | hali | we have gazillioans of cpu and ram |
11:29.25 | hali | at least on the server side |
11:29.32 | dick_turpin | hali: Then its very good |
11:29.56 | hali | i have a feeling ms dynamics crm will cost us £30k or so |
11:30.09 | hali | 2xSQL server, dynamics licenses... couple of servers... yada yada |
11:30.18 | hali | windows 2008 licenses |
11:30.45 | dick_turpin | hali: I've been playing with EPESI which is how a CRM should be pre-defined |
11:31.08 | hali | im tempted to have a play with oracle's crm |
11:31.18 | hali | probably cheaper as we already have massive oracle db servers to run it on |
11:32.17 | dick_turpin | I tried to get ERP running but I know nothing about postgres so buggered up the settings |
11:32.53 | dick_turpin | Sugar and Vtiger are OK but IMO not as good as ACT |
11:33.54 | dick_turpin | Goldmine is OK but a bit basic and the UI is not very user friendly |
11:37.09 | hali | is act web based? |
11:37.56 | dick_turpin | hali: Not really but it is server based which can be accessed externally |
11:39.25 | dick_turpin | hali: If you don't mind your data being hosted on someone elses server theres salesforce |
11:40.06 | hali | i was looking at salesforce and that looks pretty sweet |
11:40.18 | hali | but we have the exchange servers internally and we want to 'mine' emails |
11:40.22 | hali | so not sure if that works |
11:40.43 | dick_turpin | hali: meh reminds me of SugarCRM which we ran for three months then went back to ACT |
11:41.43 | dick_turpin | hali: Do you intend to use the emails for marketing? |
11:43.12 | shevek_ | salesfarce can talk imap, but exchange's imap is pretty fucking shaky |
11:46.54 | hali | dick_turpin: possibly profile building, mostly for keeping track of what promised whom what :) |
11:47.20 | hali | dynamics can do fancy mail searches |
11:48.23 | dick_turpin | hali: hm, dick_turpin scratches his bonce on that one |
11:51.02 | hali | exchange 2007 imap works ok from thunderbird, doesn't scale that well but ok |
11:52.40 | dick_turpin | hali: OK but if I understand you correctly its a sort of email filing/sorting solution you need |
11:53.14 | hali | issuetracking/mailtracking |
11:53.30 | hali | contacts keeping |
11:53.32 | dick_turpin | hali: Or do you just need relevant emails attached to the relevant customer records? |
11:53.44 | hali | yes and both and then some please |
11:54.14 | dick_turpin | hali: So wouldn't something like HelpDesk fit your needs better? |
11:56.54 | bilarh | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7457814.stm |
11:57.00 | bilarh | thicko brits again :) |
11:57.07 | bilarh | wrong channel :) |
12:00.47 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Thicko Nord's :-P |
12:01.25 | bilarh | i knew it was 80 p |
12:01.55 | bilarh | so downt kno woh u r callin thicko, fuck face |
12:01.58 | bilarh | ;) |
12:03.16 | hali | dick_turpin: but that doesn't have the hype word CRM in the name |
12:11.16 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Ah but I can always have plastic surgery for you theres no solution |
12:13.27 | dick_turpin | hali: I'll rename it HaliCRM stick 250% markup on it, will you be paying by chq, Ccard or cash? |
12:15.11 | hali | cool, 30 day credit ok? |
12:15.39 | hali | in a way something like that would be better |
12:15.47 | hali | if we spend 30k on a microsoft product we don't really need |
12:16.07 | hali | we could just as well take an existing open source solution and get a contractor in to modify it to our needs |
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12:18.23 | dick_turpin | hali: Ooh OK I'll only charge £29,999.00 so you'll save a quid |
12:26.42 | dick_turpin | Novell keep sending me German newsletters? But the subject line of this one is funny |
12:26.45 | dick_turpin | Certified PlateSpin Analyst (CPSA)-Training |
12:27.06 | dick_turpin | So are they offering to train me how to spin plates? |
12:28.22 | zaarg | http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/06/snake-oil-alert.html |
12:28.24 | zaarg | WTF |
12:28.28 | zaarg | haha |
12:30.45 | catalyst | sigh |
12:30.45 | hali | it's not an ethernet cable |
12:30.49 | hali | it's "denon link" |
12:31.05 | zaarg | http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM |
12:31.09 | zaarg | :D |
12:31.20 | hali | i presume you've seen the nordost power mains cables costing £10k? |
12:32.39 | hali | http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordost%20ODIN%20Power%20Cords.htm |
12:32.44 | hali | only 6k per meter |
12:33.21 | Blapto | Bloody hell |
12:34.52 | hali | http://www.highendcable.co.uk/HiFi-Tuning%20Gold%20plated%20Silver%20Ceramic%20Fuse%2013%20Amp.htm |
12:34.56 | hali | that's quite funny too |
12:35.00 | hali | high end fuses! |
12:40.15 | bilarh | i'm gobsmacked |
12:40.30 | morsing | etorix! |
12:41.48 | hali | bilarh: it's all hajfaj |
12:48.18 | bilarh | hali: it's all expensive :S |
12:50.16 | morsing | *sigh* |
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13:02.43 | morsing | Puss1nB00ts! |
13:37.46 | wethrin | hali: Are you taking the piss out of audiophiles? |
13:38.07 | morsing | Puss1nB00ts! |
13:38.14 | morsing | sucks on wethrin |
13:40.13 | hali | wethrin: no |
13:40.23 | hali | wethrin: i used to have £800 speaker cables |
13:40.25 | morsing | wethrin: Cawfy? |
13:40.55 | Blapto | hali: why? |
13:41.03 | Blapto | Unless they were 80ft long or something silly |
13:41.26 | bilarh | they were really nice quality, though, i must admit |
13:41.29 | bilarh | nice workmanship\ |
13:41.44 | wethrin | Blapto: £10/ft is still fucking expensive, though |
13:41.51 | wethrin | So unless they were solid silver |
13:42.04 | hali | Blapto: they looked pretty |
13:42.05 | wethrin | Which I'd lay a pint down on that theyweren't |
13:42.06 | morsing | hali: I'm hungry |
13:42.30 | Blapto | I don't look at my speaker cables |
13:42.53 | wethrin | hands Blapto a gold-plated optical connector |
13:42.53 | morsing | wethrin: £10/ft for cables isn't *that* expensive |
13:43.00 | wethrin | morsing: Yes it is |
13:43.07 | Leeds | it's fucking ridiculous |
13:43.15 | morsing | wethrin, leeds: No it isn't |
13:43.22 | Blapto | I think if you were running 80ft cables, you'd need the more expensive ones |
13:43.28 | shevek_ | the most expensive cable I have is gbp10 per metre, and that's solid silver. |
13:43.32 | Blapto | For shorter cables you can get away with basically anything. |
13:43.39 | wethrin | shevek_: That's not unreasonable |
13:43.51 | bilarh | probably can't hear the difference between 2-core electrical cable or high end speaker cable |
13:43.51 | shevek_ | wethrin: I think it's got to be an alloy, silver costs more than that |
13:43.52 | wethrin | But £10/ft of copper is fucking ridiculous |
13:43.56 | Blapto | Though, I don't *actually* know the figure, I just threw 80ft out there. |
13:44.09 | shevek_ | bilarh: I build sound systems for a hobby :-) |
13:44.14 | wethrin | thinks morsing got ripped off on his cables, then |
13:44.27 | shevek_ | I have a fair idea of what makes a difference and whta doesn't. |
13:44.32 | wethrin | Well. Unless he's using triax cable |
13:44.45 | wethrin | But triax is stupidly expensive anyway |
13:44.50 | bilarh | shevek: does it make a noticeable difference? as in, could you spearate them in blind tests? :) |
13:44.55 | morsing | wethrin: What cables? |
13:44.59 | shevek_ | bilarh: No, of course not. I use standard XLR cables. |
13:45.09 | bilarh | shevek: what's xlr? :) |
13:45.19 | shevek_ | bilarh: I can tell the difference between opamps and manufacturers, and stuff like that. |
13:45.20 | wethrin | morsing: The ones you were talking about when saying £10/ft isn't expensive |
13:45.26 | morsing | wethrin: I think my speaker cables were about £6-7/m |
13:45.32 | shevek_ | xlr is differential audio. All these cables people are wanking over are single ended. |
13:45.41 | morsing | wethrin: I wasn't talking about specific cables |
13:45.43 | wethrin | That's pricy, but not unreasonable if they're good quality |
13:45.55 | shevek_ | I'm just strating to move everything I have to AES and ADAT. |
13:46.24 | shevek_ | AES FTW |
13:46.29 | bilarh | shevek: sounds impressive |
13:46.39 | bilarh | has a puzzled look on his face |
13:46.40 | shevek_ | bilarh: It's cheap, simple, and sounds stunning |
13:46.56 | wethrin | Anyway. The acoustics of the room are *far* more important than the quality of the cable |
13:49.58 | wethrin | Back to work. |
13:51.43 | morsing | Beer |
13:53.35 | Leeds | if someone is sponsored, do they become a sponsee? |
13:54.06 | morsing | Leeds: Beer |
13:59.34 | bilarh | Beer |
13:59.49 | boudiccas | snuff |
13:59.55 | bilarh | oh no look, morsing's polluted my fragile little mind |
13:59.56 | Leeds | green tea |
14:00.11 | bilarh | dick_turpin: Beer |
14:00.33 | bilarh | continues adding useful input to the conversation |
14:10.01 | Blapto | water |
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14:12.16 | dick_turpin | Tea |
14:13.51 | Leeds | kjalil: what do you think? |
14:14.00 | Leeds | or even kjs_ |
14:14.08 | Leeds | not too keen on xchat's tab-completion |
14:19.25 | morsing | kjs_! |
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14:59.24 | kjs_ | morsing: ! |
14:59.45 | kjs_ | I use irssi... not xchat. |
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15:07.42 | morsing | jpds! |
15:07.53 | jpds | morsing! |
15:26.33 | Blapto | I used Pidgin :) |
15:30.46 | jpds | Blapto: for IRC? |
15:31.50 | Blapto | Yep |
15:31.58 | zaarg | irssi with bitlbee for msn, jabber, and yahoo messenger |
15:32.41 | bilarh | zaarg: me too, bitlbee rocks |
15:33.40 | Blapto | I use IM too much for bitlbee to be useful |
15:33.47 | Blapto | It's just not as smooth as pidgin |
15:34.26 | zaarg | works fine here |
15:34.33 | Blapto | Will bitlbee connect to my internal jabber server? |
15:34.38 | zaarg | sure |
15:35.15 | zaarg | you could use irssi-proxy and connect to it with pidgin |
15:35.16 | zaarg | i think |
15:35.53 | Blapto | Why do that if I could just run pidgin |
15:36.24 | zaarg | well for me it's good to have msn running on my server 24/7 |
15:36.40 | Blapto | Ah, that's fair enough |
15:36.43 | Blapto | I just don't really need to |
15:37.21 | morsing | Blapto: Where's Sally? |
15:37.41 | Blapto | In the alley |
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15:41.55 | morsing | jpds! |
15:49.16 | bilarh | wahey, result |
15:49.41 | bilarh | car insurance down from 1000 to 750, with mods covered like for like :D :D |
15:49.41 | bilarh | and, mileage up from 5000 per year to unlimited |
15:52.28 | Blapto | bilarh: what do you drive? |
15:55.19 | bilarh | blapto: 350bhp impreza |
15:55.51 | Blapto | Ah, OK |
16:00.13 | cpufreak | nice |
16:00.23 | cpufreak | pays less for his cars though :D |
16:03.36 | morsing | bilarh: I'm tellin' ya, 244 and you can't go wrong |
16:05.36 | cpufreak | no increase in charge for fitting rollcage, intrax 4wya suspension, uprated LSD either.. |
16:48.57 | jpds | Oyster cards cracked: http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10008459o-2000331761b,00.htm |
16:49.24 | morsing | jpds: *sigh* |
17:09.35 | ChoHag | On TDWTF, where the topic has deviated to healthcare: |
17:09.39 | ChoHag | > I live in a country with free universal healthcare, and I havent seen a doctor in 12 years. |
17:09.42 | ChoHag | Still on the waiting list, huh? |
17:09.43 | morsing | Chilli |
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17:52.43 | kjs_ | Anyone else using Bacula? |
17:53.20 | morsing | Yes |
17:57.46 | kjs_ | morsing: dont happen to be unlucky enough to be using it to backup a MS Exchange server do you? |
17:58.21 | morsing | No |
17:58.50 | kjs_ | you running any "AfterJOb" scripts with it ? |
17:58.59 | morsing | No |
17:59.02 | morsing | :) |
17:59.05 | DiscordianUK | that would be unucky indeed |
17:59.07 | kjs_ | :) |
17:59.32 | kjs_ | Yeah it is... a real PITA. |
17:59.51 | DiscordianUK | yeah |
18:01.31 | DiscordianUK | Exchange store is interesting |
18:04.12 | kjs_ | yeah, its hell. |
18:04.31 | DiscordianUK | nods |
18:05.42 | kjs_ | I have a CentOS box running a VMWare 2003 server... i/o seems slow very slow, im wanting check the perfomance of the CentOS box before the VM (even though im pretty sure its VMWare being shit). What is a good simple way to check disk performance? |
18:06.02 | DiscordianUK | iostat |
18:09.36 | kjs_ | does a "yum search iostat" |
18:10.27 | DiscordianUK | Hmm# |
18:11.36 | kjs_ | sysstat package. |
18:11.58 | DiscordianUK | pr iozone |
18:12.01 | DiscordianUK | or |
18:13.39 | kjs_ | iostat -x /dev/md* ?? |
18:14.10 | DiscordianUK | sounds about right |
18:16.09 | kjs_ | 239.41 kb_wrtn/s |
18:17.11 | kjs_ | humm wtf |
18:20.55 | DiscordianUK | hnn |
18:29.37 | shevek_ | hdparm -tT |
18:31.23 | morsing | Cawfy |
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18:49.58 | morsing | trousers! |
18:50.41 | trousers | morsing! |
19:15.38 | shevek_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2y_LEbdEVE # tentacles? probably nsfw |
19:28.12 | z00dax | woo! |
19:28.23 | morsing | Beer |
19:28.27 | z00dax | yes! |
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20:06.17 | morsing | PussInBoots! |
21:06.54 | kjs_ | morsing: Priority in Bacula is it 1 is highest |
21:06.56 | kjs_ | ? |
21:10.30 | morsing | Priority? |
21:10.33 | morsing | One sec |
21:12.42 | morsing | Priority of what? Jobs? |
21:13.23 | morsing | Yes, lower appears to be high priority |
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21:40.31 | morsing | Beer |
21:41.08 | kjs_ | morsing: yeah i just rtfm. |
21:42.53 | kjs_ | hum does auto prune mean when the tape fills it will write over the first job that was wrote to the tape? |
21:44.52 | morsing | kjs_: No, it's all done in the database |
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22:07.37 | morsing | Provito! |
22:34.50 | zaarg | HELLO |
22:34.54 | zaarg | morsing: are you a bot? |
22:35.09 | zaarg | if not that mod of whatever is oddly annoying |
22:35.46 | DiscordianUK | the name! hello thing is a script |
22:36.21 | DiscordianUK | allegedly morsing is human |
22:40.19 | zaarg | grr |
22:40.33 | DiscordianUK | grr? |
22:40.40 | zaarg | GRR |
22:40.46 | zaarg | i'm expressing my annoyance |
22:40.52 | DiscordianUK | at? |
22:41.00 | zaarg | scripted hello! scripts |
22:41.34 | DiscordianUK | well in 15 years on IRC ive never used scripts |
22:41.51 | zaarg | heh |
22:41.57 | zaarg | anyway, bed for me! |
22:41.59 | zaarg | good night. |
22:42.22 | DiscordianUK | i could but why would O |
22:42.29 | DiscordianUK | I |
22:42.33 | DiscordianUK | Night |
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