IRC log for #gllug on 20080618

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06:56.42morsingProvito!
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07:11.35morsingetorix!
07:17.49morsingWhat's EDT time?
07:20.18etorixtime u learned how to use the google button?
07:25.50morsingIdiot
07:41.55AndyMillarwhat morsing said
07:56.16bilarhscratches his head. There's no D in "google button"?
08:43.43halimorning
08:45.12zaargorning
08:45.21bilarhmorning
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09:19.33morsingcurson!
09:19.35morsinginDj_InstcT!
09:23.36DJ_InstincTanybody here got reccomendations for a voip provider [IAX]?
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09:28.44morsingBlapto!
09:29.11Blaptomorsing!
10:27.36Blaptois drinking Ubuntu Cola
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10:44.20halisigh
10:48.19halibig boss wants us to build a "Microsoft Dynamics CRM" setup...
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10:57.52bilarhwhat is CRM anyway?
10:57.56bilarhcustomer relations management?
10:58.24dick_turpinbilarh: My favourite subject
10:59.42haliyes
10:59.48bilarhhali: ugh
10:59.59halithe concept of _a_ crm is good
11:00.04halithis crm doesn't look very nice
11:01.07bilarhdick_turpin: give us some war stories from the trenches
11:04.20dick_turpinbilarh: "Hello your emails not working"
11:04.40dick_turpin"What do you mean not working?"
11:05.16dick_turpinI open Outlook Express and its asking me to setup my account, all my mails have gone
11:05.41dick_turpinSo our service is not broken its your mail client
11:06.02dick_turpinNo you provide our mail so its you
11:06.45dick_turpinsod off you idiot
11:06.53dick_turpinNot really :-)
11:21.09bilarhdick_turpin: i was thinking more like the ww1 trenches, you were in it weren't you?
11:23.48dick_turpinbilarh: No but I was with Harold at the battle of Hastings if that's any use to you? I distinctly remember say "They'll have someones eye out in a minute"
11:23.58dick_turpinsaying
11:25.02dick_turpinhali: What CRM are you using?
11:25.37halidick_turpin: nothing yet, but we are looking in to using MS Dynamics CRM ..
11:27.29dick_turpinhali: Hm, I was thinking of implementing that at one stage but I decided we'd stick with ACT!
11:27.50haliwhats act?
11:27.53haligoogles
11:28.05haliah, the sage one
11:28.06bilarhheh, i remember act
11:28.08haliwe use sage for financials
11:28.12dick_turpinhali: Its now owned by Sage
11:28.20dick_turpinOh you found it
11:28.20bilarhit used to be symantec, no?
11:28.29dick_turpinbilarh: yeah
11:28.46bilarhi quite liked it at the time, i must admit
11:28.46halisymantec is selling businesses as crazy now
11:28.55bilarhbut this was when i was 18 :)
11:29.04bilarh10 years ago :S
11:29.08dick_turpinWE are still on the old version, Sage Act needs a gazillion CPU and ram
11:29.18haliwe have gazillioans of cpu and ram
11:29.25haliat least on the server side
11:29.32dick_turpinhali: Then its very good
11:29.56halii have a feeling ms dynamics crm will cost us £30k or so
11:30.09hali2xSQL server, dynamics licenses... couple of servers... yada yada
11:30.18haliwindows 2008 licenses
11:30.45dick_turpinhali: I've been playing with EPESI which is how a CRM should be pre-defined
11:31.08haliim tempted to have a play with oracle's crm
11:31.18haliprobably cheaper as we already have massive oracle db servers to run it on
11:32.17dick_turpinI tried to get ERP running but I know nothing about postgres so buggered up the settings
11:32.53dick_turpinSugar and Vtiger are OK but IMO not as good as ACT
11:33.54dick_turpinGoldmine is OK but a bit basic and the UI is not very user friendly
11:37.09haliis act web based?
11:37.56dick_turpinhali: Not really but it is server based which can be accessed externally
11:39.25dick_turpinhali: If you don't mind your data being hosted on someone elses server theres salesforce
11:40.06halii was looking at salesforce and that looks pretty sweet
11:40.18halibut we have the exchange servers internally and we want to 'mine' emails
11:40.22haliso not sure if that works
11:40.43dick_turpinhali: meh reminds me of SugarCRM which we ran for three months then went back to ACT
11:41.43dick_turpinhali: Do you intend to use the emails for marketing?
11:43.12shevek_salesfarce can talk imap, but exchange's imap is pretty fucking shaky
11:46.54halidick_turpin: possibly profile building, mostly for keeping track of what promised whom what :)
11:47.20halidynamics can do fancy mail searches
11:48.23dick_turpinhali: hm, dick_turpin scratches his bonce on that one
11:51.02haliexchange 2007 imap works ok from thunderbird, doesn't scale that well but ok
11:52.40dick_turpinhali: OK but if I understand you correctly its a sort of email filing/sorting solution you need
11:53.14haliissuetracking/mailtracking
11:53.30halicontacts keeping
11:53.32dick_turpinhali: Or do you just need relevant emails attached to the relevant customer records?
11:53.44haliyes and both and then some please
11:54.14dick_turpinhali: So wouldn't something like HelpDesk fit your needs better?
11:56.54bilarhhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7457814.stm
11:57.00bilarhthicko brits again :)
11:57.07bilarhwrong channel :)
12:00.47dick_turpinbilarh: Thicko Nord's :-P
12:01.25bilarhi knew it was 80 p
12:01.55bilarhso downt kno woh u r callin thicko, fuck face
12:01.58bilarh;)
12:03.16halidick_turpin: but that doesn't have the hype word CRM in the name
12:11.16dick_turpinbilarh: Ah but I can always have plastic surgery for you theres no solution
12:13.27dick_turpinhali: I'll rename it HaliCRM stick 250% markup on it, will you be paying by chq, Ccard or cash?
12:15.11halicool, 30 day credit ok?
12:15.39haliin a way something like that would be better
12:15.47haliif we spend 30k on a microsoft product we don't really need
12:16.07haliwe could just as well take an existing open source solution and get a contractor in to modify it to our needs
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12:18.23dick_turpinhali: Ooh OK I'll only charge £29,999.00  so you'll save a quid
12:26.42dick_turpinNovell keep sending me German newsletters? But the subject line of this one is funny
12:26.45dick_turpinCertified PlateSpin Analyst (CPSA)-Training
12:27.06dick_turpinSo are they offering to train me how to spin plates?
12:28.22zaarghttp://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/06/snake-oil-alert.html
12:28.24zaargWTF
12:28.28zaarghaha
12:30.45catalystsigh
12:30.45haliit's not an ethernet cable
12:30.49haliit's "denon link"
12:31.05zaarghttp://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM
12:31.09zaarg:D
12:31.20halii presume you've seen the nordost power mains cables costing £10k?
12:32.39halihttp://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordost%20ODIN%20Power%20Cords.htm
12:32.44halionly 6k per meter
12:33.21BlaptoBloody hell
12:34.52halihttp://www.highendcable.co.uk/HiFi-Tuning%20Gold%20plated%20Silver%20Ceramic%20Fuse%2013%20Amp.htm
12:34.56halithat's quite funny too
12:35.00halihigh end fuses!
12:40.15bilarhi'm gobsmacked
12:40.30morsingetorix!
12:41.48halibilarh: it's all hajfaj
12:48.18bilarhhali: it's all expensive :S
12:50.16morsing*sigh*
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13:02.43morsingPuss1nB00ts!
13:37.46wethrinhali: Are you taking the piss out of audiophiles?
13:38.07morsingPuss1nB00ts!
13:38.14morsingsucks on wethrin
13:40.13haliwethrin: no
13:40.23haliwethrin: i used to have £800 speaker cables
13:40.25morsingwethrin: Cawfy?
13:40.55Blaptohali: why?
13:41.03BlaptoUnless they were 80ft long or something silly
13:41.26bilarhthey were really nice quality, though, i must admit
13:41.29bilarhnice workmanship\
13:41.44wethrinBlapto: £10/ft is still fucking expensive, though
13:41.51wethrinSo unless they were solid silver
13:42.04haliBlapto: they looked pretty
13:42.05wethrinWhich I'd lay a pint down on that theyweren't
13:42.06morsinghali: I'm hungry
13:42.30BlaptoI don't look at my speaker cables
13:42.53wethrinhands Blapto a gold-plated optical connector
13:42.53morsingwethrin: £10/ft for cables isn't *that* expensive
13:43.00wethrinmorsing: Yes it is
13:43.07Leedsit's fucking ridiculous
13:43.15morsingwethrin, leeds: No it isn't
13:43.22BlaptoI think if you were running 80ft cables, you'd need the more expensive ones
13:43.28shevek_the most expensive cable I have is gbp10 per metre, and that's solid silver.
13:43.32BlaptoFor shorter cables you can get away with basically anything.
13:43.39wethrinshevek_: That's not unreasonable
13:43.51bilarhprobably can't hear the difference between 2-core electrical cable or high end speaker cable
13:43.51shevek_wethrin: I think it's got to be an alloy, silver costs more than that
13:43.52wethrinBut £10/ft of copper is fucking ridiculous
13:43.56BlaptoThough, I don't *actually* know the figure, I just threw 80ft out there.
13:44.09shevek_bilarh: I build sound systems for a hobby :-)
13:44.14wethrinthinks morsing got ripped off on his cables, then
13:44.27shevek_I have a fair idea of what makes a difference and whta doesn't.
13:44.32wethrinWell. Unless he's using triax cable
13:44.45wethrinBut triax is stupidly expensive anyway
13:44.50bilarhshevek: does it make a noticeable difference? as in, could you spearate them in blind tests? :)
13:44.55morsingwethrin: What cables?
13:44.59shevek_bilarh: No, of course not. I use standard XLR cables.
13:45.09bilarhshevek: what's xlr? :)
13:45.19shevek_bilarh: I can tell the difference between opamps and manufacturers, and stuff like that.
13:45.20wethrinmorsing: The ones you were talking about when saying £10/ft isn't expensive
13:45.26morsingwethrin: I think my speaker cables were about £6-7/m
13:45.32shevek_xlr is differential audio. All these cables people are wanking over are single ended.
13:45.41morsingwethrin: I wasn't talking about specific cables
13:45.43wethrinThat's pricy, but not unreasonable if they're good quality
13:45.55shevek_I'm just strating to move everything I have to AES and ADAT.
13:46.24shevek_AES FTW
13:46.29bilarhshevek: sounds impressive
13:46.39bilarhhas a puzzled look on his face
13:46.40shevek_bilarh: It's cheap, simple, and sounds stunning
13:46.56wethrinAnyway. The acoustics of the room are *far* more important than the quality of the cable
13:49.58wethrinBack to work.
13:51.43morsingBeer
13:53.35Leedsif someone is sponsored, do they become a sponsee?
13:54.06morsingLeeds: Beer
13:59.34bilarhBeer
13:59.49boudiccassnuff
13:59.55bilarhoh no look, morsing's polluted my fragile little mind
13:59.56Leedsgreen tea
14:00.11bilarhdick_turpin: Beer
14:00.33bilarhcontinues adding useful input to the conversation
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14:12.16dick_turpinTea
14:13.51Leedskjalil: what do you think?
14:14.00Leedsor even kjs_
14:14.08Leedsnot too keen on xchat's tab-completion
14:19.25morsingkjs_!
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14:59.24kjs_morsing: !
14:59.45kjs_I use irssi... not xchat.
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15:07.42morsingjpds!
15:07.53jpdsmorsing!
15:26.33BlaptoI used Pidgin :)
15:30.46jpdsBlapto: for IRC?
15:31.50BlaptoYep
15:31.58zaargirssi with bitlbee for msn, jabber, and yahoo messenger
15:32.41bilarhzaarg: me too, bitlbee rocks
15:33.40BlaptoI use IM too much for bitlbee to be useful
15:33.47BlaptoIt's just not as smooth as pidgin
15:34.26zaargworks fine here
15:34.33BlaptoWill bitlbee connect to my internal jabber server?
15:34.38zaargsure
15:35.15zaargyou could use irssi-proxy and connect to it with pidgin
15:35.16zaargi think
15:35.53BlaptoWhy do that if I could just run pidgin
15:36.24zaargwell for me it's good to have msn running on my server 24/7
15:36.40BlaptoAh, that's fair enough
15:36.43BlaptoI just don't really need to
15:37.21morsingBlapto: Where's Sally?
15:37.41BlaptoIn the alley
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15:41.55morsingjpds!
15:49.16bilarhwahey, result
15:49.41bilarhcar insurance down from 1000 to 750, with mods covered like for like :D :D
15:49.41bilarhand, mileage up from 5000 per year to unlimited
15:52.28Blaptobilarh: what do you drive?
15:55.19bilarhblapto: 350bhp impreza
15:55.51BlaptoAh, OK
16:00.13cpufreaknice
16:00.23cpufreakpays less for his cars though :D
16:03.36morsingbilarh: I'm tellin' ya, 244 and you can't go wrong
16:05.36cpufreakno increase in charge for fitting rollcage, intrax 4wya suspension, uprated LSD either..
16:48.57jpdsOyster cards cracked: http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10008459o-2000331761b,00.htm
16:49.24morsingjpds: *sigh*
17:09.35ChoHagOn TDWTF, where the topic has deviated to healthcare:
17:09.39ChoHag> I live in a country with free universal healthcare, and I havent seen a doctor in 12 years.
17:09.42ChoHagStill on the waiting list, huh?
17:09.43morsingChilli
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17:52.43kjs_Anyone else using Bacula?
17:53.20morsingYes
17:57.46kjs_morsing: dont happen to be unlucky enough to be using it to backup a MS Exchange server do you?
17:58.21morsingNo
17:58.50kjs_you running any "AfterJOb" scripts with it ?
17:58.59morsingNo
17:59.02morsing:)
17:59.05DiscordianUKthat would be unucky indeed
17:59.07kjs_:)
17:59.32kjs_Yeah it is... a real PITA.
17:59.51DiscordianUKyeah
18:01.31DiscordianUKExchange store is interesting  
18:04.12kjs_yeah, its hell.
18:04.31DiscordianUKnods
18:05.42kjs_I have a CentOS box running a VMWare 2003 server... i/o seems slow very slow, im  wanting check the perfomance of the CentOS box before the VM (even though im pretty sure its VMWare being shit). What is a good simple way to check disk performance?
18:06.02DiscordianUKiostat
18:09.36kjs_does a "yum search iostat"
18:10.27DiscordianUKHmm#
18:11.36kjs_sysstat package.
18:11.58DiscordianUKpr iozone
18:12.01DiscordianUKor
18:13.39kjs_iostat -x /dev/md* ??
18:14.10DiscordianUKsounds about right
18:16.09kjs_239.41 kb_wrtn/s
18:17.11kjs_humm wtf
18:20.55DiscordianUKhnn
18:29.37shevek_hdparm -tT
18:31.23morsingCawfy
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18:49.58morsingtrousers!
18:50.41trousersmorsing!
19:15.38shevek_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2y_LEbdEVE # tentacles? probably nsfw
19:28.12z00daxwoo!
19:28.23morsingBeer
19:28.27z00daxyes!
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20:06.17morsingPussInBoots!
21:06.54kjs_morsing: Priority in Bacula is it 1 is highest
21:06.56kjs_?
21:10.30morsingPriority?
21:10.33morsingOne sec
21:12.42morsingPriority of what? Jobs?
21:13.23morsingYes, lower appears to be high priority
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21:40.31morsingBeer
21:41.08kjs_morsing: yeah i just rtfm.
21:42.53kjs_hum does auto prune mean when the tape fills it will write over the first job that was wrote to the tape?
21:44.52morsingkjs_: No, it's all done in the database
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22:07.37morsingProvito!
22:34.50zaargHELLO
22:34.54zaargmorsing: are you a bot?
22:35.09zaargif not that mod of whatever is oddly annoying
22:35.46DiscordianUKthe name! hello thing is a script
22:36.21DiscordianUKallegedly morsing is human
22:40.19zaarggrr
22:40.33DiscordianUKgrr?
22:40.40zaargGRR
22:40.46zaargi'm expressing my annoyance
22:40.52DiscordianUKat?
22:41.00zaargscripted hello! scripts
22:41.34DiscordianUKwell in 15 years on IRC ive never used scripts  
22:41.51zaargheh
22:41.57zaarganyway, bed for me!
22:41.59zaarggood night.
22:42.22DiscordianUKi could but why would O
22:42.29DiscordianUKI
22:42.33DiscordianUKNight
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