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00:02.48 | kjs_ | not yet tbh, all I have concluded is that vmware just seems to suck. |
00:03.22 | AndyMillar | what issue? |
00:05.54 | kjs_ | really slow, network performance. |
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00:07.19 | z00dax | network or i/o ? |
00:07.38 | z00dax | also, i seem to recall that vmware recommend one of the two types of scsi controllers it can emulate |
00:07.42 | z00dax | not sure which :D |
00:08.05 | kjs_ | well i did notice IO was slow copying files. |
00:08.15 | AndyMillar | kjs_: how slow? |
00:08.32 | AndyMillar | also, did you allocate the entire disk when creating the vm? |
00:09.59 | AndyMillar | meh |
00:10.00 | AndyMillar | beds |
00:10.55 | kjs_ | well im getting 8mb throughput |
00:12.23 | kjs_ | when writing data to the tape over bacula |
00:12.32 | kjs_ | from the vm to the host. |
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00:14.15 | kjs_ | which should be local loopback? |
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00:18.52 | kjs_ | so yeah its really slow... not sure what to do, could just move the file server to samba... on the host. |
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05:16.56 | morsing | curson! |
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05:46.15 | morsing | jpds! |
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08:45.42 | kjs_ | morning |
08:46.12 | morsing | kjs_! |
08:55.05 | kjs_ | text book reaction from the delivery guy "Wow your here? Its not normal for you guys to be in at this hour..." |
08:55.34 | wethrin | heh\ |
08:56.22 | kjs_ | only to find they have messed up the order now I have to come in again tomorrow morning between 7:30 and 10:00 |
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09:27.09 | kjs_ | Do you guys backup any svn servers? If so are you just copying the files to tape? or do I have to do any thing special... |
09:27.52 | wethrin | I'd be surprised if you needed to do more than back up files (plus whatever metadata) to tape |
09:31.46 | zaarg | hrm, can i use multiple commands in PROMPT_COMMAND? |
09:31.48 | zaarg | can't get it to work.. |
09:33.07 | zaarg | nm, worked it out! |
10:01.19 | bilarh_ | did i rant about the new surveillance laws in sweden yet? |
10:04.51 | Blapto | No, go ahead, I've got some build requests to go through |
10:05.57 | bilarh_ | http://www.thelocal.se/12474/20080617/ |
10:05.59 | bilarh_ | http://www.thelocal.se/12534/20080618/ |
10:08.23 | antiphase | All that rotten herring must make them stupid |
10:17.13 | hali | we have pretty much the same laws here |
10:17.34 | hali | ireland has got even worse |
10:18.12 | hali | quite a big market for traffic sniffers now :) |
10:18.20 | hali | perhaps one should build a little ntop appliance |
10:32.36 | bilarh_ | england doesn't allow blanket surveillance of all phone / internet traffic crossing its border so far, afaik |
10:32.45 | bilarh_ | and they dont' permit surveillance without a court order |
10:32.55 | antiphase | RIPA innit |
10:33.35 | bilarh_ | i must admit i'm not 100% up to speed with ripa, but does that grant agencies powers like these? |
10:34.53 | antiphase | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investigatory_Powers_Act |
10:34.55 | bilarh_ | hali: a private company using a network sniffer on it's own network is different to a governments blanket surveillance |
10:36.34 | antiphase | I think basically that arbitrary snooping is still a criminal offence unless explicitly permitted, but information gathered as a result is available to maybe more people than would be strictly necessary |
10:40.47 | bilarh_ | it's a piss take anyway |
10:41.21 | bilarh_ | Nevertheless, FRA has tried to reassure the public that the law would not lead to a form of general or intrusive surveillance. |
10:41.33 | bilarh_ | that sounds a bit like what the UK government were claiming, i bet |
10:41.57 | bilarh_ | until the terrorist rubbish bins of overfullness came along, of course |
10:43.39 | antiphase | OMG terrrrrrsts |
10:43.56 | antiphase | Most Governments are a shower of useless fuckwits |
10:44.30 | antiphase | But I can wander around without getting murdered, and the value of money is relatively stable so I can't be arsed worrying about the rest |
10:45.20 | bilarh_ | hmm, i know what you mean |
10:45.27 | bilarh_ | i'll just keep whinging and not do anything |
10:48.25 | bilarh_ | oh well, hopefully it can be squashed in the european court of law |
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11:19.08 | kjs_ | what is raid5 sata going to write at roughly ? |
11:19.40 | Blapto | Hardware or softwarE? |
11:19.42 | Blapto | software? |
11:20.09 | kjs_ | hardware |
11:20.20 | kjs_ | servers about 3 month old dell poweredge |
11:20.41 | kjs_ | just a rough figure, iv not benched a sata drive in years. |
11:22.29 | Blapto | I think it depends on what you're writing |
11:22.50 | Blapto | Large files, it's better, small writes, especially those smaller than the stripe size, and RAID 5 slows to a crawl |
11:24.25 | Blapto | I suppose you could probably get (4 drives?) 200MB/s write sustained |
11:24.38 | Blapto | Maybe 150MB/s random? |
11:24.42 | Blapto | Probably slower than that |
11:25.17 | morsing | tink044! |
11:25.22 | morsing | Blapto! |
11:25.26 | Blapto | morsing! |
11:25.59 | hali | i'd say far from it, 100 sequential perhaps... 15-30 random at most |
11:26.00 | Blapto | In fact, I've just dug up some of my old benchmarks, and we got 130MB/s sustained write |
11:26.18 | Blapto | And 20MB/s random :) |
11:26.25 | morsing | Beer |
11:26.38 | Blapto | That was on a Adaptec RAID card |
11:26.55 | Blapto | A fairly high-end model, but Adaptec are a bit of a bargain brand sometimes. |
11:27.32 | hali | seek time and spindel speed is too low on sata |
11:27.39 | hali | seek time is too high* |
11:27.42 | hali | and spindel speed to low |
11:27.50 | Blapto | Newer SATA stuff is much better |
11:28.01 | Blapto | Especially with a good RAID controller and drives that sync nicely |
11:28.06 | hali | NCQ had a good promise but I haven't seen much coop |
11:28.26 | morsing | NCQ? TCQ? |
11:28.39 | Blapto | But hey, for the price of 3 SCSI drives you could get 5 SATA drives :) |
11:28.51 | hali | do you need the space, thats the question |
11:28.53 | Blapto | That said, most servers only have 4 slots anyway. |
11:29.22 | hali | we use sata for low access datawarehouse tiers and vtl's and stuff like that |
11:29.31 | hali | works great, high capacity but not much access |
11:41.29 | morsing | hali: What did you have for breakfast? |
11:58.05 | morsing | http://property.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/property/article3643024.ece |
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12:13.26 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
12:15.45 | dick_turpin | Banana milkshake |
12:18.35 | kjs_ | I had a Jordans fruit & rason bar and a glass of water |
12:19.04 | kjs_ | was late, had to get to the office for Amazon book delivery, which has not turne dup yet |
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15:33.58 | morsing | Alex! |
15:36.08 | bilarh_ | bored out of my arse |
15:36.15 | wethrin | Go home. |
15:36.23 | wethrin | It's POETS day |
15:36.23 | bilarh_ | i feel like it |
15:36.27 | bilarh_ | yeah i know |
15:36.44 | bilarh_ | argh |
15:36.54 | bilarh_ | i just remembered i have to move someone's bloody pc downstairs |
15:36.54 | wethrin | I've given up on stuff that doesn't work today. |
15:37.00 | wethrin | Can't they do it themselves? |
15:37.03 | bilarh_ | don't know if i can be arsed |
15:37.06 | bilarh_ | no, htey are stupid users |
15:37.10 | wethrin | And have you been trained with appropriate lifting H&FS rubbish? |
15:37.19 | bilarh_ | unfortunately, yes |
15:37.22 | wethrin | Boo |
15:37.26 | wethrin | Was it pointless? |
15:37.33 | bilarh_ | i had to go on half a days training for that |
15:37.36 | bilarh_ | completely |
15:37.36 | wethrin | "Look, I've been lifting computers heavier than you are! Now fuck off" |
15:37.58 | bilarh_ | then tehy wont give you a certificate, and that certificate is a requirement for working here, unfortunately :( |
15:38.09 | bilarh_ | it was crazy, though... |
15:38.37 | wethrin | That's a bit rubbish |
15:41.27 | kjs_ | Anyone recommend a decent webdesigner ? |
15:42.17 | boudiccas | kjs_; define 'decent'? |
15:42.47 | boudiccas | i mena that i can do plain html, but i dont use java or any other scripts |
15:43.25 | kjs_ | well smooth, looks decent, we are a small IT Support company basically. |
15:43.25 | wethrin | CSS? |
15:43.42 | kjs_ | to replace the one I made, http://www.netzensolutions.com |
15:44.24 | boudiccas | whats wrong with that? |
15:44.38 | boudiccas | flash, thats the other thing that i was meaning |
15:45.07 | kjs_ | no flash on there jsut a bit of javascript on the menu |
15:45.12 | kjs_ | which i have removed actually. |
15:45.24 | wethrin | There's an annoying menu on the top left, which disappears when the mouse rolls over one of the other items |
15:45.33 | wethrin | (Safari 3) |
15:45.41 | kjs_ | safari.. |
15:46.02 | kjs_ | dont have my mac with me will look later. |
15:46.12 | wethrin | I'm running it on Windows |
15:46.20 | kjs_ | FF here... |
15:46.40 | kjs_ | you find safari better? |
15:46.48 | wethrin | Yes |
15:47.05 | Alex | WHY IS THE DAY NOT OVER YET OH JESUS OW. |
15:47.14 | kjs_ | in what way? |
15:47.53 | wethrin | It doesn't want to make me claw my eyes out |
15:48.08 | wethrin | TBH, I prefer its rendering engine |
15:48.39 | boudiccas | wethrin; first you have to get through the safety glasses that you're wearing before you can claw your eyes out |
15:48.55 | wethrin | And Firefox annoyed me with its memory leaks. Safari also takes up a huge amount of memory, but it takes longer than Firefox to eat that much memory |
15:54.00 | morsing | Beer |
15:54.16 | Blapto | Soon, morsing, soon |
15:54.26 | wethrin | Chimes! |
15:54.35 | wethrin | wants to go there again |
15:54.39 | morsing | Blapto: Belgian Chocolate Muffin Dessert? It's Tesco's finest |
15:54.39 | xteddy | smiles |
15:54.45 | morsing | Good teddy |
15:54.55 | Blapto | morsing: Ooh, yes please. |
15:55.05 | morsing | :) |
15:56.07 | wethrin | I want to go home. |
15:56.42 | ChoHag | I did. And got in trouble for it. |
15:56.43 | ChoHag | Apparently <24 hours notice is sufficient to change my hours. |
15:56.46 | morsing | wethrin: Another not very productive day for me |
15:57.11 | wethrin | You mean, you haven't got a job yet? |
15:57.19 | wethrin | I made some devices. Which then proceeded to not work. |
15:57.22 | wethrin | Which irritated me somewhat |
15:57.53 | ChoHag | Without actually telling me, also. Let alone asking. |
15:58.00 | DJ_InstincT | welcomes the beer that just arrived at his desk :) |
15:58.18 | morsing | wethrin: I mean I have so much to do at home and I once again didn't get much done |
15:58.28 | ChoHag | I will no doubt be told on Monday that I'm Not A Team Player. |
15:58.38 | wethrin | Ahh. |
15:58.41 | wethrin | Spend less time on IRC! |
15:58.53 | ChoHag | I'm wondering whether to shout 'bingo' if my PHB uses that exact phrase. |
15:58.54 | wethrin | ChoHag: Get a better workplace! |
15:59.09 | ChoHag | I spend none. I have been asked not to connect to anything outside the network. |
15:59.46 | antiphase | Sounds like a shit job |
15:59.52 | ChoHag | It is. |
15:59.55 | wethrin | ChoHag: I was directing that statement at morsing |
16:00.12 | ChoHag | Oh. |
16:00.27 | wethrin | Shit jobs are sometimes necessary, though, to keep the money in, while hunting for a better job |
16:00.32 | ChoHag | Yes indeed. |
16:00.40 | ChoHag | Painful as it may be. |
16:01.15 | ChoHag | And actually harmful. Everybody around my is quite content to be mediocre. |
16:02.01 | Blapto | If he says "There's no 'I' in team" you know what to say, don't you? |
16:02.14 | Blapto | There's a certain word that does have a 'u' in. |
16:04.19 | zaarg | heh |
16:04.20 | zaarg | yawns |
16:04.21 | xteddy | hugs sleepy zaarg |
16:05.35 | ChoHag | There is a 'me' though. |
16:06.04 | Blapto | There is |
16:06.18 | Blapto | And team is an anagram of meat, and there's an 'I' in meat pie. |
16:06.19 | ChoHag | And a 'ma'. |
16:06.32 | wethrin | I LIKE PIE |
16:06.34 | ChoHag | So you should listen to your mother. |
16:06.39 | Blapto | I had pie for lunch :) |
16:06.42 | Blapto | It was most yummy |
16:06.44 | wethrin | Fiend! |
16:07.18 | ChoHag | You know what this means don't you_ |
16:07.31 | wethrin | Blapto ate all the pies? |
16:07.35 | morsing | PIE! |
16:07.38 | Blapto | I ate one of the pies. |
16:07.39 | ChoHag | If he does actually say "There is no 'I' in team" I'm going to start sniggering. |
16:07.54 | Blapto | If he says that, please tell him what word has a 'u' in it? |
16:07.59 | Blapto | Please please please please please? |
16:08.08 | Blapto | We'll understand if you're not back on IRC for a few hours |
16:10.20 | ChoHag | It'll be worse if I am. |
16:12.10 | Blapto | I just forgot how to wash my hands |
16:12.16 | Blapto | I ran the water |
16:12.19 | Blapto | put soap on my hands |
16:12.25 | Blapto | put them under the water |
16:12.27 | Blapto | and my mind went blank |
16:12.30 | Blapto | How bizarre |
16:12.42 | boudiccas | melt down |
16:12.50 | morsing | throws an offset spanner in Blapto's work |
16:13.00 | Blapto | morsing: stop fiddling with my works |
16:13.03 | Blapto | We've had that discussion |
16:13.09 | morsing | :-/ |
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16:22.37 | ChoHag | The other day the DBA was showing me how to install the oracle client (about 400MB btw) and got scared when I started using yast to intall unzip. |
16:22.40 | ChoHag | Apparently I should use the unzip binary on Novell's website rather than an rpm from our exported CDs because "I'm here to learn not fight the system". |
16:23.17 | wethrin | umm |
16:23.40 | DiscordianUK | How does that work? |
16:25.29 | ChoHag | He's just an idiot |
16:25.46 | ChoHag | Luckily he's resigning, though I hope he'll still last longer than me. |
16:25.54 | DiscordianUK | lol |
16:26.39 | DiscordianUK | lol Oracle 11g? |
16:26.58 | morsing | Cheese |
16:26.58 | ChoHag | They haven't got that far. |
16:27.00 | ChoHag | They're on 9. |
16:27.16 | boudiccas | morsing; apples |
16:27.38 | DiscordianUK | Oracle DBA isn't taxing thse days |
16:28.52 | morsing | licks boudiccas' nose |
16:29.02 | morsing | ChoHag: We're all a bit crazy here |
16:29.18 | boudiccas | morsing; don't! else i'll give you an apple |
16:29.24 | morsing | !! |
16:34.35 | zaarg | just purchased a 'flip cam' |
16:35.00 | zaarg | the quality looks impressive for the price! |
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16:36.11 | Blapto1 | ping |
16:36.22 | boudiccas | ping back |
16:36.33 | Blapto1 | Thanks |
16:36.34 | DiscordianUK | ppng |
16:36.39 | DiscordianUK | *pong |
16:37.15 | boudiccas | DiscordianUK; you seem to be stuttering in your 'pings' :) |
16:37.22 | Blapto1 | jitter? |
16:37.34 | DiscordianUK | Gah google gadgets is a pain to compile |
16:39.31 | DiscordianUK | heh the labels have worn off on my keyboard |
16:39.38 | DiscordianUK | and I don't touch type |
16:41.28 | Blapto1 | print off a qwerty keymap :P |
16:41.39 | Blapto1 | Or, now is an excellent time to learn to touchtype. |
16:41.53 | Blapto1 | How have you typed enough to wear off the labels yet not touchtype? |
16:42.29 | DiscordianUK | After 40 years i still carn toch type |
16:42.37 | ChoHag | I'm being forced to touchtype. My layout at work is dvorak but my keyboard in qwerty. |
16:42.38 | DiscordianUK | can't touch |
16:42.41 | Blapto1 | Ah, I still make typos :) |
16:42.43 | ChoHag | It's hardest in the first half hour. |
16:42.55 | Blapto1 | Can't touch this |
16:43.01 | Blapto1 | hums doo doo doo do |
16:43.26 | DiscordianUK | ## Wal;king in memphis |
16:43.32 | DiscordianUK | s/;// |
16:46.16 | morsing | Frikadeller |
16:48.42 | morsing | Blapto1: Where did Blapto go? |
16:52.02 | Blapto1 | whoami |
16:52.14 | Blapto | whoami |
16:52.57 | DiscordianUK | unknown command |
16:55.27 | Blapto | No, seriously, pidgin isn't a full featured IRC client |
16:55.35 | Blapto | Then again, this is the only room I sit in |
16:55.40 | DiscordianUK | indeed |
16:55.49 | DiscordianUK | and this isn't a room |
16:55.54 | Blapto | Perhaps #perl once in a while |
16:58.03 | zaarg | zx41ps12 |
16:58.06 | zaarg | zx41ps12 |
17:00.07 | Blapto | That's a nice password |
17:00.19 | DiscordianUK | was |
17:00.52 | DiscordianUK | i suggest judo44 instead |
17:01.09 | morsing | Beer |
17:01.21 | morsing | DiscordianUK: I'm tired |
17:01.39 | DiscordianUK | So go sleep |
17:11.01 | DiscordianUK | I must catch the BBC interview with Mistah Gates |
17:16.59 | Blapto | Until Monday! |
17:29.53 | zaarg | that's not my password |
17:30.00 | zaarg | thankfully |
17:30.15 | zaarg | it's just a work box! |
17:30.50 | cpufreak | http://flickr.com/photos/itwasntandy/sets/72157605722051691/ |
17:36.03 | ChoHag | I think the cisco vpn has screwed up and rejected my password enough times that Windows has locked my account. |
17:36.29 | DiscordianUK | Errrk |
18:25.55 | morsing | zaarg: Why did Leeds leave? |
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