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| 08:34.58 | kjalil | morning |
| 08:37.31 | Leeds | wrong! |
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| 08:50.38 | kjalil | Leeds: afternoon? |
| 08:51.20 | Leeds | heading to evening |
| 09:22.44 | mindbendr | could someone explain me why would a company hire a contractor as limited company instead PAYE |
| 09:23.07 | Blapto | IR35 |
| 09:23.14 | Blapto | Don't pay National Insurance |
| 09:25.12 | mindbendr | don't they pay more money to a limited company anyway? is there such a big difference |
| 09:25.42 | Blapto | Employers + Employees NI, so yes |
| 09:25.50 | Blapto | About 11%? Talk to an accountant |
| 09:26.25 | mindbendr | is there any disadvantage of hiring someone that works with an umbrella company in the employer's perspective |
| 09:26.47 | Blapto | Not really |
| 09:26.55 | mindbendr | thanks |
| 09:27.02 | Blapto | But talk to an accountant |
| 09:27.05 | Blapto | I'm not an accountant |
| 09:27.09 | kjs | Morning |
| 09:27.20 | Blapto | ning |
| 09:27.23 | mindbendr | Blapto: i'm just making some research to understand how it is in uk |
| 09:27.36 | mindbendr | Blapto: there's nothing serious about to talk an accountant |
| 09:27.39 | mindbendr | kjs: morning |
| 09:27.44 | Blapto | OK |
| 09:27.48 | Blapto | http://www.pc.gc.ca/pn-np/qc/mauricie/activ/activ7_e.asp Ooooh |
| 09:28.04 | Blapto | Planning a 14 day trip to Canada later this month and that's REALLY tempting |
| 09:28.33 | mindbendr | it's interesting to see that how british ppl tempted about going to canada |
| 09:28.40 | mindbendr | why don't you go to spain,greece or turkey |
| 09:28.45 | mindbendr | or italy |
| 09:28.47 | Blapto | I've got friends in Canada, and I've never been there |
| 09:29.01 | mindbendr | it'd be nice to be in the beach now |
| 09:29.06 | Blapto | I don't like beaches :P |
| 09:29.09 | mindbendr | lol |
| 09:29.11 | mindbendr | how come |
| 09:29.13 | wethrin | Canada's lovely. It's like Scotland, but on a much larger scale |
| 09:29.25 | Blapto | What's the point in lying down and doing nothing? |
| 09:29.31 | mindbendr | Blapto: chicks :D |
| 09:29.42 | Blapto | I get the exact same relaxation from walking 100km in 5 days and feel like I've achieved more. |
| 09:29.57 | Blapto | mindbendr: I'm bringing my own one with me :P |
| 09:30.17 | mindbendr | Blapto: fair enough |
| 09:30.27 | Blapto | That's a really tempting trail |
| 09:30.43 | wethrin | Blapto: Even if it's in Quebec? :) |
| 09:30.47 | mindbendr | it seems like the climate and the nature is not that different than uk |
| 09:30.49 | Blapto | Fly to Montreal on the Thursday, spend the Friday/Saturday/Sunday with friends |
| 09:30.58 | mindbendr | are you gonna visit niagara falls |
| 09:31.00 | Blapto | Get to the trail on Monday, finish Friday, back to Montreal for the weekend |
| 09:31.11 | Blapto | Then go to Ottowa and spend 3 days there |
| 09:31.16 | Blapto | Fly home on the Thursday |
| 09:31.26 | wethrin | mindbendr: Other than bears :) |
| 09:31.38 | Blapto | And mooses |
| 09:31.42 | mindbendr | lol |
| 09:31.42 | Leeds | and moose |
| 09:31.45 | wethrin | møøse! |
| 09:31.45 | Blapto | And mountains and lakes and the sheer scale of it |
| 09:31.48 | Blapto | mooses! |
| 09:31.52 | wethrin | moosen? |
| 09:31.53 | Leeds | elk! |
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| 09:31.58 | Blapto | yakkity yak |
| 09:32.00 | Blapto | don't come back |
| 09:32.00 | wethrin | Blapto: Well, Scotland has that on a smaller scale :) |
| 09:32.02 | mindbendr | i wonder are there big fat foxes as there are in uk |
| 09:32.07 | wethrin | It's like a practice-Canada |
| 09:32.09 | Blapto | There are wolves |
| 09:32.18 | Leeds | they don't call it Nova Scotia for nothing... |
| 09:32.26 | Blapto | The only thing I'm worried about is how much gear I'd have to pick up while I'm there |
| 09:32.40 | Blapto | I'd need a good backpack if I'm going for 5 days... |
| 09:32.50 | Blapto | And I certainly don't feel like bringing a tent with me |
| 09:33.00 | Blapto | Though the weather's probably good enough that I can get away with using a basha |
| 09:33.02 | mindbendr | Blapto: how's the weather in canada now? |
| 09:33.10 | Blapto | Lovely, apparently |
| 09:33.16 | mindbendr | Blapto: in degrees? |
| 09:34.01 | kjs | Hum, I have a user saying at a previous company he worked for, they had a "special user" that was in a group that a number of "semi trusted users" where in, and they could install "tools" to the users directory, then add them to there paths. and they could run the tools, anyone done some thing like this? |
| 09:34.47 | Blapto | Lovely degrees Fahrenheit |
| 09:34.52 | Blapto | Not sure about celcius |
| 09:34.56 | mindbendr | lol |
| 09:35.06 | Blapto | http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/forecast/canada/index_e.html?id=QC |
| 09:35.08 | mindbendr | kjs: ACL |
| 09:35.11 | mindbendr | kjs: might help? |
| 09:35.14 | wethrin | Simple. (Lovely-32)*5/9 |
| 09:35.15 | Leeds | kjs:either it's an admin group, or something like sudo |
| 09:36.14 | wethrin | wheel group ? |
| 09:37.32 | Blapto | Dan, have you been hiking in Canadia? |
| 09:39.07 | Leeds | RMS' favourite group |
| 09:40.06 | Blapto | I prefer Pulp myself |
| 09:40.15 | wethrin | Blapto: Not really hiking, no. Some bits of short walking, many years ago |
| 09:40.30 | Blapto | OK |
| 09:40.36 | Blapto | I think I need to talk to someone who's done it before |
| 09:42.53 | kjs | I think they are just installing into a home dir then all have rwx rights to that dir and are just running the bins from that path "/home/specialuser/blah" |
| 09:48.25 | Blapto | They might have group right |
| 09:48.38 | Blapto | 770 or something |
| 10:20.16 | Blapto | Is there some magic keystroke I don't know to kill the running process in an xterm? |
| 10:20.25 | Blapto | Say I've got a stuck SSH session |
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| 10:23.07 | Leeds | you can kill an ssh session with return-~-. |
| 10:23.31 | Leeds | but if you've got chained ssh sessions, it'll kill all of them, I think |
| 10:23.34 | Blapto | What do I need to press? |
| 10:24.33 | Blapto | tilde . isn't doing anything |
| 10:24.39 | Leeds | press return, then press ~ then press . |
| 10:24.47 | Blapto | Tried that, no joy |
| 10:24.57 | Blapto | I sshed to a box, then suspended my laptop |
| 10:25.06 | Blapto | And now the ssh is stuck, with no connection |
| 10:25.10 | Leeds | does return-~-? do anything? |
| 10:25.14 | Blapto | I know I can just close the xterm though |
| 10:25.25 | Blapto | Yes! |
| 10:25.33 | Blapto | Ah, I think the connection has been terminated already |
| 10:25.49 | Blapto | So really I want to do B or something |
| 10:25.58 | mindbendr | tilda return dot works for me |
| 10:26.18 | andronicus7 | or you could ps -ef | grep ssh to find the pid, then kill it |
| 10:26.20 | mindbendr | tilda dot return |
| 10:26.24 | Blapto | I can just kill it |
| 10:26.28 | Blapto | But I don't want to |
| 10:26.32 | Blapto | There must be a smoother way |
| 10:26.34 | Leeds | mindbendr: no it doesn't - you're doing return-~-. |
| 10:26.43 | Blapto | The connection is already terminated. |
| 10:26.50 | mindbendr | Leeds: it does for me :) believe it or not |
| 10:26.53 | Leeds | how about ctrl-c? |
| 10:26.59 | Leeds | serious question... |
| 10:27.00 | Blapto | nope |
| 10:27.05 | Leeds | are you doing port-forwarding? |
| 10:27.13 | Blapto | Not in these sessions, no |
| 10:27.44 | Blapto | Hah, now it's proper screwed after a ~^Z |
| 10:27.47 | Leeds | then why is ssh still running if the session is closed? |
| 10:28.07 | mindbendr | probably that's because i just type in my password and then return to log in |
| 10:28.20 | mindbendr | and tilda . |
| 10:29.00 | Blapto | I don't know! |
| 10:29.22 | Blapto | netstat tells me there's no connection to these servers |
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| 11:52.31 | zaarg | afternoon |
| 11:56.01 | DiscordianUK | Lo |
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| 15:13.15 | j0nr | hello all |
| 15:13.34 | antiphase | Air hair lair |
| 15:14.15 | j0nr | n00b(ish) to linux here... totally loving it tho. total convert |
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| 15:37.16 | DiscordianUK | gah the intardwebs are slow today |
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| 17:26.58 | quickscript | is there anyone here running ubuntu 8.04 with kernel 2.6.25 deb package (not self compiled) and a zydas usb adapter?? |
| 17:27.45 | cpufreak | so there isn't a 2.6.25 kernel in 8.04. |
| 17:28.09 | cpufreak | 2.6.24.19 is the latest. |
| 17:29.49 | quickscript | <cpufreak> there must an "unofficial non supported one" 2.6.25 deb somewhere! |
| 17:30.14 | cpufreak | so thats not part of ubuntu 8.04 |
| 17:31.55 | quickscript | a 2.6.25 deb which is not part of ubuntu 8.04 but can installed on it anyway. Something like debian backports from sid to etch, you know |
| 17:32.20 | antiphase | How can you backport something from a version which doesn't exist yet? |
| 17:33.09 | zaarg | compile your own? |
| 17:33.50 | zaarg | it's then trivial to make a package if you do so |
| 17:33.51 | quickscript | <antiphase> there is an alpha version of the next ubuntu |
| 17:34.07 | antiphase | You should probably just compile the module you need against the official kernel unless you like pain |
| 17:34.08 | zaarg | (make-kpkg) |
| 17:34.22 | zaarg | yes, try what antiphase said first |
| 17:36.18 | quickscript | you see i have a zydas usb wireless adapter and to enable injection, some docs say you have to apply some patches and recompile the kernel whch means going thru all the options of make menu which is really a pain in the neck! |
| 17:37.01 | quickscript | goin thru make menuconfig is a pain the neck |
| 17:37.19 | antiphase | You shouldn't have to |
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| 17:38.35 | antiphase | Use the config file from /boot and put it in the kernel directory, patch the source then `make clean modules modules_install` |
| 17:39.57 | antiphase | If you have mad skillz you can just make the individual module after patching the source |
| 17:40.01 | DiscordianUK | I have a zydas one works fine on the stock Fedora 9 kernel |
| 17:41.12 | quickscript | even injection and fragmentation? |
| 17:41.43 | DiscordianUK | That I've not tried and I don't feel any need to do so |
| 17:44.20 | quickscript | ok |
| 17:44.31 | antiphase | wonders what injection is |
| 17:44.48 | DiscordianUK | I've much higher priorities that hacking wifi |
| 17:44.55 | antiphase | If you want deliberate fragmentation, just set your MTU to something small |
| 17:45.30 | quickscript | ok thanks |
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| 19:20.20 | DiscordianUK | Yay Compiz works! |
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| 22:11.23 | kjs | lol @ this ep of sp |
| 22:11.28 | kjs | southpark |
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