| 00:02.12 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@n219077081086.netvigator.com) |
| 01:14.57 | *** join/#gllug aguai (i=aguai@61-229-155-23.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 01:16.24 | *** join/#gllug aguai (i=aguai@61-229-155-23.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 01:33.39 | *** join/#gllug etorix (n=etorix@unaffiliated/etorix) |
| 02:20.01 | *** join/#gllug DiscordianUK (n=ch@chills.demon.co.uk) |
| 03:12.51 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@awork006078.netvigator.com) |
| 04:17.32 | *** join/#gllug etorix (n=etorix@unaffiliated/etorix) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 04:17.32 | *** join/#gllug cpufreak (n=cpu@nurburgr.ing.me.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 04:17.32 | *** join/#gllug xteddy (n=bear@freenode/weird-exception/mascot/starshine/bot/xteddy) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 04:17.32 | *** join/#gllug londo (n=georgiou@82.133.49.59) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 04:17.46 | *** join/#gllug cpufreak (n=cpu@nurburgr.ing.me.uk) |
| 04:18.09 | *** join/#gllug londo__ (n=georgiou@82.133.49.59) |
| 04:18.46 | *** join/#gllug XmTeddy (n=bear@gemini.starshine.org) |
| 04:27.21 | *** join/#gllug londo__ (n=georgiou@82.133.49.59) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 04:28.59 | *** join/#gllug etorix (n=etorix@unaffiliated/etorix) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 04:28.59 | *** join/#gllug xteddy (n=bear@freenode/weird-exception/mascot/starshine/bot/xteddy) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 04:34.20 | *** join/#gllug etoshutl (n=etorix@unaffiliated/etorix) |
| 04:41.08 | *** join/#gllug aguai (i=aguai@118-160-23-201.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 06:44.16 | j0nr | morning |
| 07:15.30 | *** join/#gllug gregj (n=gj@fcu5.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 08:33.48 | *** join/#gllug tink044 (i=c1cb52e2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-10d039691034614b) |
| 08:44.23 | *** join/#gllug mindpixel (n=mindpixe@demon-gw.perfectpitch.org) |
| 09:18.26 | *** join/#gllug curson (n=curzon@79-68-26-161.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 09:30.11 | *** join/#gllug Blapto (n=martin@62.189.100.228) |
| 09:43.47 | gwak_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.25 | Blapto | gwak_: you too, buddy. |
| 09:44.42 | gwak_ | heh, sorry wrong terminal window ;-] |
| 09:46.48 | j0nr | oo many a time have done that in im |
| 09:49.11 | gwak_ | i leave in fear of responding to a rant about about a colleague into the wrong IM tab |
| 10:09.38 | *** join/#gllug tink044 (i=c1cb52e2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9d9976b9cf64cd94) |
| 10:25.03 | Blapto | I sudo apt-get dist-upgraded all of quakenet yesterday :) |
| 10:25.46 | kjs | Hum, changing a CentOS box hostname is possible without a reboot ? |
| 10:28.20 | tink044 | change /etc/sysconfig/network and .etc.hosts and do a network restart maybe. |
| 10:47.08 | kjs | tink044: on centos would i add the host name to the end like... |
| 10:47.25 | kjs | 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost myboxname |
| 10:47.32 | kjs | in /etc/hosts |
| 10:47.41 | kjs | or just add a new line like: |
| 10:47.51 | tink044 | new line |
| 10:47.58 | kjs | 192.168.0.5 myboxname.mydomain.local |
| 10:48.08 | kjs | okay |
| 10:48.14 | tink044 | Yeah that one, with the myboxname on the end\ |
| 10:48.42 | kjs | so new line with "192.168.0.5 myboxname.mydomain.local myboxname" |
| 10:48.48 | tink044 | Yeppers |
| 10:50.00 | kjs | prompt is still saying @localhost |
| 10:50.04 | kjs | on a re loggin. |
| 10:50.20 | kjs | I guess /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 10:51.00 | *** join/#gllug mindbendr (n=mindbend@81-86-39-225.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 10:51.01 | tink044 | yeah restart, then perhaps logout and back in again |
| 10:51.10 | tink044 | network restart i mean |
| 10:51.22 | kjs | restart should be fine, over ssh... |
| 10:51.24 | mindbendr | hi |
| 10:51.36 | kjs | hi mindbendr |
| 10:51.37 | tink044 | ahh ok |
| 10:51.45 | mindbendr | kjs: how's it |
| 10:52.22 | kjs | iv done service network restart over ssh before and its been ok, hum because i dont want to leave the house today it will probably fuck up. |
| 10:53.16 | kjs | nice restarted fine. |
| 10:54.28 | tink044 | hehe phew... it's always a slight heart stopping moment. |
| 11:31.38 | wethrin | eh. If it goes wrong, you just fire up your serial console, and fix the network from there |
| 11:36.25 | *** join/#gllug dick_turpin (n=dick_tur@host217-34-163-30.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 11:47.32 | kjs | wethrin: no serial console there. |
| 11:47.48 | wethrin | Tut. how do you do remote access then, for when things break? |
| 11:48.13 | kjs | tink044: yeah haha, it hung for a few seconds during restart of eth0 as well.. |
| 11:48.39 | kjs | wethrin: te place is not far away, only a small business with 1 linux box. |
| 11:49.02 | kjs | my other servers have KVMoIP etc |
| 11:49.22 | kjs | how much expense is it to setup a serial console? |
| 11:49.47 | wethrin | Approximately nothing, depending on your needs and setup |
| 11:50.29 | kjs | id just want to connect if I mess up a fw rule or the network dies. |
| 11:51.33 | wethrin | You could have two computers connected to each other |
| 11:53.40 | kjs | guess I could just bang a modem on the box, and dial into it? |
| 11:54.56 | wethrin | That could work too |
| 11:54.59 | wethrin | But requires a bit more setup |
| 11:55.14 | kjs | and a phone line. |
| 11:55.30 | wethrin | yes |
| 11:55.32 | kjs | and not a digital one... |
| 11:55.39 | wethrin | indeed. One with DDI |
| 11:56.06 | kjs | Ill just test my firewall rules on a vm first :D |
| 12:05.24 | zaarg | apparently the google maps car is roaming the streets... |
| 12:05.49 | kjs | ? |
| 12:06.24 | zaarg | for street view |
| 12:06.30 | wethrin | Moon them! |
| 12:06.40 | kjs | get in the pic |
| 12:06.41 | kjs | haha |
| 12:06.53 | zaarg | yeah, i want to find it |
| 12:09.31 | kjs | in gnome how do you show an address bar ? so you can see the path |
| 12:10.17 | kjs | stupid guis |
| 12:10.37 | zaarg | stupid gtk |
| 12:10.49 | zaarg | in newer version there's a button you can press |
| 12:11.03 | zaarg | to reveal the path |
| 12:11.14 | kjs | that thing in the bottom left? |
| 12:11.41 | zaarg | no.. |
| 12:11.45 | kjs | yes but for some reason i can't connect to a smb share if i try and use the normal method, however typing smb:\\\blah works |
| 12:12.10 | kjs | Nautilus 2.22.3 |
| 12:12.22 | zaarg | http://www.opennet.ru/docs/RUS/gtk-reference/filechooser.png |
| 12:12.39 | zaarg | the button next to the path buttons in the above picture |
| 12:12.45 | zaarg | iirc |
| 12:13.08 | kjs | ah yeah i dont have that though. |
| 12:13.17 | kjs | if i just click on home in fedora. |
| 12:14.19 | kjs | just have to do file / open location i guess |
| 12:15.06 | zaarg | hrm maybe not all file chooser dialogs have it |
| 12:15.14 | kjs | sorted it. |
| 12:15.29 | kjs | "connect to server" seems to work now i have done a yum update. |
| 12:17.08 | jpds | 13~/17 |
| 12:17.13 | jpds | arg |
| 12:18.21 | kjs | i dont like the way by defualt fedora has the box ticked to remember password for root o.O |
| 12:24.48 | shevek_ | fedora is a pseudo-linux for people who don't know unix |
| 12:25.28 | Blapto | How do you work that out? |
| 12:28.37 | shevek_ | The art of building a good component is to create a tool which allows people to do things not forseen by the creator. |
| 12:28.45 | shevek_ | A library is no good if it's only usable for one task. |
| 12:28.56 | shevek_ | Lego have this problem with many of their bricks, and some of their early technology components. |
| 12:51.01 | kjs | right? |
| 12:52.13 | kjs | I do find it far more akward to use than debian tbh, but I am far more used to debian. |
| 12:55.58 | shevek_ | mmm. e.g. it's possible to run Java on debian. |
| 13:58.13 | cpufreak | we run java on Ubuntu extensively here. |
| 13:58.28 | cpufreak | works fine (tm) |
| 14:00.36 | *** join/#gllug ranner (n=ranner@general-kt-195.t-mobile.co.uk) |
| 14:27.54 | *** join/#gllug geospart (n=geospart@adsl-210-88-164.clt.bellsouth.net) |
| 14:46.09 | AndyMillar | hmm |
| 14:46.13 | AndyMillar | people work for £12k? :/ |
| 14:46.20 | AndyMillar | (yes, my encoding is fucked) |
| 14:46.29 | *** join/#gllug j0nr_ (n=serverad@5acc9da7.bb.sky.com) |
| 14:46.32 | wethrin | AndyMillar: It's better than nothing |
| 14:47.53 | AndyMillar | that's 230/week :( |
| 14:48.19 | AndyMillar | which is, realistically, worth less than a day's work a week :( |
| 14:49.24 | wethrin | The dole would be less |
| 14:50.19 | AndyMillar | free housing, no council tax, free nhs prescriptions, plus 50 a week spending money |
| 14:50.28 | AndyMillar | in London, you'll have more disposable income from the dole |
| 14:51.53 | wethrin | hm |
| 14:52.46 | AndyMillar | this was clearly sparked from the unit.tv email |
| 14:52.55 | wethrin | yeah |
| 14:53.17 | AndyMillar | if you're consulting in London, GBP400/day is cheap :( |
| 14:53.44 | antiphase | You can't be dole scum and a 400 quid a day consultant though, otherwise most people would take the 400 quid a day |
| 14:53.56 | zaarg | oh dear god, i need to setup a printer...in linux |
| 14:54.03 | AndyMillar | zaarg: it's not that painful :) |
| 14:54.04 | wethrin | antiphase: You'd get more respect as a dole scum |
| 14:54.13 | AndyMillar | wethrin: really? :( |
| 14:54.20 | wethrin | AndyMillar: It is, if you want to print to a network printer. Specially under CUPS |
| 14:54.56 | zaarg | yup |
| 14:55.02 | zaarg | and basically i have better things to do |
| 14:55.04 | zaarg | :> |
| 14:55.11 | AndyMillar | hmm |
| 14:55.19 | wethrin | Well, I've never got CUPS to DTRT when talkign to a network printer |
| 14:55.31 | AndyMillar | should I reply to that job advert offering to work 1 day every 2 weeks for them on that salary? ;) |
| 14:55.36 | wethrin | I tell it it's not a postscript printer, and the heap of shit entirely ignored it, and spews postscript down the network |
| 14:55.54 | wethrin | Maybe it thinks that there's a postscript interpreter on the other end. Well, IT'S WRONG. |
| 14:56.29 | zaarg | that job might suit someone that's left school early |
| 14:56.29 | wethrin | Clearly the people that 'developed' CUPS have never heard of a printer that has an ethernet port on the back of it |
| 14:56.32 | zaarg | and is leaving with their parents |
| 14:56.37 | zaarg | er living |
| 14:56.42 | wethrin | Hrm. Bring back lpd, I say |
| 15:21.10 | *** join/#gllug j0nr (n=serverad@5ad4183a.bb.sky.com) |
| 16:25.04 | *** join/#gllug jpds (n=jpds@ubuntu/member/jpds) |
| 16:32.32 | *** join/#gllug jpds (n=jpds@ubuntu/member/jpds) |
| 16:37.32 | *** join/#gllug j0nr_ (n=serverad@5acc9db8.bb.sky.com) |
| 16:44.46 | hali | dang |
| 16:44.47 | hali | thunder |
| 16:44.50 | hali | ++ |
| 16:45.00 | AndyMillar | idd |
| 16:46.05 | *** join/#gllug j0nr__ (n=serverad@5ad5afba.bb.sky.com) |
| 17:07.23 | *** join/#gllug jpds (n=jpds@ubuntu/member/jpds) |
| 20:13.06 | *** join/#gllug DiscordianUK (n=ch@chills.demon.co.uk) |
| 20:45.40 | *** join/#gllug Facundo_wrk (i=facundo@host.190.15.199.211.static.itcsa.net) |
| 20:49.24 | kjs | wethrin: get the printer working? |
| 20:49.52 | kjs | AndyMillar: my first job was 10 or 12k a yr and it sucked but i was only young, and i do not live in london. |
| 20:49.52 | wethrin | Hmm? Oh, this was some years ago |
| 20:50.18 | kjs | It was a "step on the ladder" |
| 20:50.39 | kjs | to the heaven that is working in computing... |
| 20:51.12 | kjs | humm if an old server was given to "me" from a client and I sell it thats fine right? I dont have to put it through my company? |
| 20:53.08 | wethrin | If it's given to you, it's yours |
| 20:55.40 | kjs | that was my understanding of it also wethrin |
| 20:56.14 | wethrin | But why's '"me"' in quotes? |
| 21:00.12 | kjs | well basically they got a new server and gave me a colleague the old one. |
| 21:00.39 | kjs | and a* |
| 21:03.15 | AndyMillar | kjs: unless you're in a shit flatshare, your rent/bills in London will be 12kpa :( |
| 21:03.48 | AndyMillar | me+gf pay, erm, 16k/year on rent/bills |
| 21:05.05 | kjs | yeah i can imagen, |
| 21:05.18 | kjs | but i was 18 at the time, no bills. |
| 21:05.27 | AndyMillar | heh |
| 21:05.48 | kjs | I doubt you could afford to eat if you where on that wage living in london. |
| 21:05.58 | kjs | my typing is so bad today. |
| 21:06.04 | *** join/#gllug DiscordianUK (n=ch@chills.demon.co.uk) |
| 21:23.06 | AndyMillar | kjs: you can't :p |
| 21:24.16 | kjs | be with the rest of the tramps and out of work it consultants busking on the tube. |
| 21:25.31 | kjs | Is there plenty of linux work in London still? Some one said in here the other day alot of the job adds are fakes? to get oou on the agency db's |
| 21:36.20 | AndyMillar | heh |
| 21:36.49 | AndyMillar | i dunnoa ctually |
| 21:36.53 | AndyMillar | dunno actually* |
| 21:38.10 | AndyMillar | i get enough work |
| 21:39.48 | antiphase | There's always work for people with skillz |
| 21:40.21 | AndyMillar | skillz! |
| 21:40.30 | wethrin | antiphase: Sure, but you need to convince HR and management that you have skillz |
| 21:42.28 | antiphase | I read a good article about that the other day. Either way, no-one will employ you if you interview badly unless they're particularly perceptive or interested in employing someone whose strength lies in giving poor interviews :) |
| 21:43.14 | AndyMillar | is lucky in being relatively good with interviews |
| 21:43.48 | AndyMillar | (plus having a good list of references and not being shit also helps) |
| 21:44.13 | antiphase | And/or having contacts in the industry |
| 21:44.23 | AndyMillar | also helps :) |
| 22:22.45 | kjs | :) |
| 22:23.03 | kjs | <spam> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=180261136373 </spam> |
| 22:43.47 | z00dax | kjs: that sounds like the right price for that machine |
| 22:44.37 | z00dax | AndyMillar: the best way to get hired is to let them find out and then chase you around for a bit |
| 22:57.20 | DiscordianUK | Hmm |
| 23:53.32 | *** join/#gllug etorix (n=etorix@unaffiliated/etorix) |
