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00:04.15kjsz00dax: haha
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07:14.27kjsmorning
07:15.27DiscordianUKmorning
07:16.02kjsDiscordianUK: at work already ?
07:18.32DiscordianUKNah unemployed atm
07:20.00DiscordianUKBut when I work, I like an early start anyway
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07:47.04zaargmorning
07:49.07DiscordianUKLo
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09:36.59j0nrwhy does it say I quit if I am still here?
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09:37.28BlaptoYou joined twice
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09:48.09LeedsBlapto: so did rhowe
09:48.36BlaptoNot my fault!
09:48.54Leedsno, but I might have to ban him for it
09:49.10BlaptoDO IT
09:49.12BlaptoDO IT NOW
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10:08.01kjshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glk8btUcgu4&feature=related
10:09.29BlaptoJimmy Carr...
10:09.31BlaptoTosser
10:09.45kjsI almost got banned from debian for changing my nick twice
10:09.53Leedsooh, evil
10:10.15kjsaparntly i was flooding
10:11.00Leedsah, I've kicked people for that
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11:44.01DiscordianUKtis quiet
11:45.15BlaptoPardon?
11:46.36DiscordianUKIt's quiet here
11:46.41AndyMillarhmm
11:46.51AndyMillarhow did a discussion about a shit salary degrade into racism?
11:47.24BlaptoWhat where?
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15:50.55halibilarh_: any chance you're in zone 1 this evening?
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17:45.26gregjhttp://goldenpages.ie/search/Ireland/sober_people.html
17:58.33gregjhttp://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/288705/718daa4632e6cda2/
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18:55.55phobushallo world
18:57.29shevek_Hello!
18:57.46phobusaaa some1 is there
18:57.51phobus:)
18:57.57boudiccas:)
18:57.58shevek_me hre hw r u 2da?
18:58.11shevek_st i cnt typ txt spk
18:58.32boudiccasshevek_; what the hell is that? certainly not english!!!
18:58.47phobusI am new and I am looking for lug
18:59.07boudiccasphobus; this is the irc home of the Greater London lug
18:59.34boudiccaswhich lug in particular are you looking for??
19:00.11phobusi know i live in a London work here and i started to study redhat
19:00.25phobusshall i leave?
19:00.30shevek_boudiccas, I'm trying to be "cool"
19:00.37boudiccaswhy should you, i use centos
19:00.45shevek_boudiccas, you poor bastard
19:00.47boudiccaswhich is a rhel derivative
19:01.17phobusi have and centos 5.1
19:01.18boudiccasshevek_; women cant be bastards, thats reserved for men, but i /can/ be a bitch! :)
19:01.32phobus:)
19:01.33boudiccasphobus; you ought to update it to 5.2
19:02.12phobusno i have it but i didnt know to get up my xorg
19:02.22catalystactually, women can be bastards
19:02.40boudiccascatalyst; i'm not going to bitch about it :)
19:02.58catalystseeing as how a bastard is "the illegitimate offspring of unmarried parents" (=
19:03.11shevek_has xorg AND knows how to get it up.
19:03.13catalystso, actually there's probably a steadily increasing number of bastards in our culture
19:03.33shevek_catalyst, In that sense, boudiccas is right, since women were traditionally not lineage.
19:03.39shevek_I don't know.
19:04.05catalystshevek_: err, except that unless something strange is going on I don't know about, women are still offspring :P
19:05.46antiphaseEveryone knows there are no women on the Internets
19:07.10shevek_is on the internets!!!!!!!11
19:07.14shevek_kicks at antiphase
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19:09.32shevek_Hi phobus
19:09.48boudiccasantiphase; i'm here to prove you wrong :)
19:10.33phobushi shevek
19:10.40mindbendri hate OSS
19:11.06boudiccasmindbendr; leave it on the side of your plate then. no one is forcing you to eat it! :)
19:11.30shevek_OSS sucks, both the open sound system and all open sores software
19:11.43mindbendrboudiccas: no alsa support my hardware and no flash player for 64bit except swfdect
19:11.45shevek_You should pay me all your money and I will give you slightly shitter software without the sores.
19:11.51mindbendrhow the hell am i gonna watch youtube.
19:12.01shevek_mindbendr, You can get porn off bittorrent too
19:12.23mindbendrshevek_: no preview for bittorrent though
19:13.09boudiccasmindbendr; who cares about youtube? i don't!
19:13.18mindbendreven there's no need for porn, they broadcast porn as hell in UK TV Channels
19:13.26DiscordianUKEvening
19:13.38mindbendrboudiccas: I hate you tube but sometimes something come up that I need to watch
19:13.50phobushi
19:14.01DiscordianUKThere's some great music clips on youtube
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19:14.38mindbendris there anybody using oss/swfdec
19:14.55DiscordianUKYes
19:15.04mindbendrDiscordianUK: are you serious?
19:15.19mindbendrcan't believe what he's read
19:15.26DiscordianUKerr ?
19:15.57DiscordianUKI access whatevr I want on the web
19:15.59mindbendrDiscordianUK: I spent the day compiling swfdec with oss support, OSS works fine relatively for other apps but when it comes to firefox/swfdec
19:16.06DiscordianUKI use linux
19:16.58boudiccasi think that mindbendr uses ubuntu
19:16.59DiscordianUKHang on
19:17.13DiscordianUKYeuww
19:17.14mindbendri just hear a bump sound and it gives `Failed to write fragment` error and says `/dev/dsp failed to open`
19:17.22mindbendrit's fedora
19:17.35DiscordianUKI compile stuff all the time
19:17.35boudiccasmindbendr; which version of fedora
19:17.38mindbendr9
19:17.43DiscordianUKwhich fedora?
19:18.00DiscordianUKErrr
19:18.09mindbendrbut there's no oss support for swfdec that is being shipped with fedora so I compiled it
19:18.12DiscordianUKI can watch youtube
19:18.25mindbendrit plays fine just no sound
19:18.33DiscordianUKThis is Fedora 9
19:18.49DiscordianUKI have perfectly excellent ound
19:18.51mindbendrwith oss sound system?
19:18.53DiscordianUKsound
19:18.56DiscordianUKNo
19:18.59mindbendruhhh
19:19.01DiscordianUKNot OSS
19:19.10DiscordianUKThat's old and broken
19:19.11mindbendr> is there anybody using oss/swfdec
19:19.21shevek_mindbendr, What hardware have you with no alsa?
19:19.27mindbendrshevek_: creative x-fi
19:19.48shevek_mindbendr, Given that most Creative cards aren't worth the paper they're printed on, have you considered just buying a better sound card for 20 quid or so?
19:20.10mindbendrshevek_: I bought it 1-2 years ago
19:20.21DiscordianUKoss also means open source software
19:20.21mindbendrshevek_: and the sound quality is pretty good
19:20.28mindbendrDiscordianUK: sorry, right..
19:20.42shevek_mindbendr, Sure, in that league, Creative is pretty good, but that's the 5-quid league.
19:21.06mindbendrshevek_: lol i spent a fortune for the time being
19:21.09shevek_For 30 quid, you can get a Delta 66.
19:21.16shevek_which really _is_ a good card.
19:21.32mindbendrshevek_: and what do i get for that? no latency etc? I just play music and sometimes i play games
19:21.45shevek_mindbendr, You get a good quality sound card which never distorts, and is ALSA supported.
19:21.54mindbendrshevek_: but i'm really obsessed about the quality when i'm listening music
19:22.02shevek_mindbendr, So why the FUCK are you using a creative card?
19:22.13shevek_And also, why the FUCK don't you own a Delta 66 already?
19:22.13mindbendrshevek_: but i don't do any music production so is it necessary to buy a new one
19:22.23shevek_Is Alsa support worth 30 quid?
19:22.34mindbendrshevek_: i asked one of my musician friends and he recommended it
19:22.43DiscordianUKD'uh
19:22.44shevek_Is this friend "resting"?
19:23.02mindbendrshevek_: lol yeah he's talented though
19:23.15DiscordianUKPulse is in fact the Fedora 9 driver of choice
19:23.30shevek_Right. Well, I've given my advice, and there are some as would say I'm qualified to give it. Whether you take it is up to you.
19:23.44mindbendrshevek_: I will do, thanks
19:24.13mindbendrI have to convince my self that this hardware is not working somehow lol
19:24.15DiscordianUKI think shevek does in fact know whereof they speak
19:24.17mindbendror wait for the alsa drivers
19:24.21shevek_mindbendr, The fact that for that money, you also get a TRUE 24bit 96KHz card with almost no latency with a 100dB SNR at 100% volume is probably irrelevant to you.
19:24.37mindbendrshevek_: but i don't compose music, so what's the point?
19:24.43shevek_mindbendr, To get ALSA support!
19:24.55shevek_And because you "are obsessed about the quality" etc.
19:25.09mindbendrshevek_: If I buy that card, I should buy a hi-fi speaker system as well if there's any benefit of having that card, right?
19:25.12DiscordianUKerrr Creative stuff should do ALSA
19:25.57shevek_mindbendr, If you're obsessed about quality, you presumably already own one. I hook mine up to an old Cambridge amp, although if I was buying now, I'd get something like an Arcam 6 or 7.
19:26.06shevek_Or a Delta 290.
19:26.31mindbendrshevek_: is there any favorite in-ear phone brand/model for you?
19:26.42DiscordianUKAs long as it's close enough for Rawk'n'roll works for me
19:27.01shevek_DiscordianUK, It's all junk anyway. They take a 100dB SNR 24-bit DAC, and put it on a board with only 76dB SNR and 16 data lines. So the whole 24-bit DAC is just an advert, you can't actually run 24 bits through the card. All other manufacturers advertise CARD specs not DAC specs.
19:27.22DiscordianUKYeah
19:27.47shevek_mindbendr, No, they're all much of a muchness, and you get what you pay for. Shure have done some nice stuff recently, but it's expensive. I use HD25s, but they're not in-ear.
19:27.47DiscordianUKi just use whatever's onboard these days  
19:28.07shevek_DiscordianUK, indeed, it puzzles me why anyone pays 100 quid for a creative card when better cards are cheaper.
19:28.35shevek_mindbendr, I also have some Sony in-ear 'phones, which are acceptable, but I wouldn't assume them to be of any particular quality.
19:28.43cpufreakshevek_: marketing.
19:28.44cpufreakinnit
19:28.45shevek_They're just for international trips.
19:28.48mindbendrshevek_: I'm using westone UM1 for a few years and i'm wondering what kinda difference would buying a 2 drive in earphone make
19:28.57DiscordianUKThere's audophools
19:29.03DiscordianUKaudiophools
19:29.05cpufreaksame reason people buy bang and awfulsen speakers
19:29.06mindbendrshevek_: because westone UM2 is really expensive just because it's got 2 drivers
19:29.31shevek_mindbendr, I suggest you go to a hifi shop and listen to them all.
19:29.46shevek_Basically, you can tell the difference between WMA, MP3 and FLAC on almost anything, so make sure you take a real CD player with you, or use one.
19:29.51shevek_Use CDs you know well, of course.
19:30.23mindbendrshevek_: what about mp3 players? ever heard rio karma/
19:30.30shevek_All mp3 players are shit.
19:30.58shevek_I'm afraid I'm one of those annoying people who can tell the difference between mp3 encoders by ear.
19:31.13mindbendrshevek_: rio karma has got FLAC support though :)
19:31.21DiscordianUKI'm glad I can't
19:31.29mindbendrDiscordianUK: consider yourself lucky
19:31.53DiscordianUK30 years of going to gigs has rather mithered my hearing
19:31.59shevek_One day you should hear my stereo :-)
19:32.15shevek_mindbendr,  i do not and have never owned an mp3 player
19:32.27mindbendrshevek_: lol sounds so strict
19:32.39shevek_mindbendr, I'm tempted, but ... I don't think I have a purpose for one.
19:33.10DiscordianUKYou could listen to talk radio podcasts on one
19:33.14mindbendrshevek_: it's a blessing even if you just use the tube on a daily basis
19:33.17shevek_Aye, but I could also listen to the world around me.
19:33.29DiscordianUKtrue
19:33.39shevek_http://www.anarres.org/porn/flightcase.jpg # that was halfway through the build, I completed that build a year or more ago now
19:33.57mindbendr!?!
19:34.05mindbendrwhat's this
19:35.10DiscordianUKMy phone plays MP3s
19:35.15mindbendrlol
19:35.32DiscordianUKThat'll do for me
19:35.51DiscordianUKMy PDA does too
19:35.57mindbendrI even don't buy the phones that can play mp3 or take photos
19:36.21DiscordianUKMy PDA runs linux
19:36.23mindbendrit'd be nice to run googlemaps though.
19:36.43mindbendrDiscordianUK: is it armed cpu?
19:36.46shevek_mindbendr, http://www.anarres.org/porn/studio-01.jpg # a few months ago
19:37.13DiscordianUKIt's a zaurus yes, arm
19:37.26mindbendrshevek_: do you use maxmsp :)
19:37.46shevek_mindbendr, No, what is it?
19:37.54shevek_oh, it's some commercial GUI builder, isn't it?
19:38.00mindbendrDiscordianUK: there are the slackware binaries for armed
19:38.03DiscordianUKerrk
19:38.12mindbendrshevek_: not exactly
19:38.36mindbendrshevek_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max/MSP
19:38.36DiscordianUKslackware!
19:38.38DiscordianUKlooks worried
19:38.44mindbendrwhy's that
19:38.45mindbendr:)
19:39.19DiscordianUKThe distro that thinks tar is a package manager
19:39.27mindbendrpkgtool is the package manager
19:39.28mindbendr:D
19:40.00DiscordianUKI haven't used slackware since umm 1998
19:40.34mindbendrDiscordianUK: lol at last it's got 2.6 kernel series
19:40.37DiscordianUKwhen it was slow to move from a.out to ELF binaries
19:40.54DiscordianUKI run Fedora
19:40.57mindbendrbut for the couple of years, it's doing good
19:41.10DiscordianUKand I'm on the kernel de jour
19:41.22shevek_Slackware was ELF for ages.
19:41.56DiscordianUKIt was nmagic , then a.out then slow to move to ELF
19:43.25DiscordianUKIf it works for you then good
19:47.28DiscordianUKI'm always amused by the preconceptions people bring about ilnux
19:48.30mindbendrlike what
19:48.32shevek_linux sucks
19:49.04DiscordianUKall hardware / oses/software sucks
19:49.22mindbendrcomputer sucks
19:49.37mindbendrthere are the trees,flowers out there
19:50.36shevek_I just realised that if I put my gates into key listen mode, I can use them as sidechain inserts for my compressors.
19:50.41shevek_It's a hack, but it'll work.
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19:51.02DiscordianUKgates?
19:51.15shevek_My gates have a key filter.
19:51.18phobussee u later time for X-Files
19:51.33shevek_I think this is probably a crappy idea, and all this stuff should be done post-crossover.
19:51.38shevek_Or ideally, not at all.
19:52.08mindbendrboudiccas: and why did you assume that i'm using ubuntu?
19:52.30boudiccasfrom memory, i misremembered
19:53.24DiscordianUKThere's nowt wrong with ubuntu if you  can deal with apt
19:53.50mindbendrDiscordianUK: it's just ubuntu users come to slackware channel and ask rubbish questions, i wondered did i sound like that
19:53.54mindbendr:)
19:54.30DiscordianUKwe get ubuntu users ask the same on #fedora  
19:55.06mindbendrasking questions in slackware makes more sense in that case
19:56.17DiscordianUKLinux has been my desktop OS since 1996  
19:56.24mindbendrwow
19:56.35mindbendryou really don't use any multimedia, do you
19:56.42DiscordianUKyes I do
19:56.45shevek_Linux has been my desktop OS since 1991.
19:57.02DiscordianUKI watch telly on Linux
19:57.14shevek_Although the first thing of mine I can find with a date on it says 1992.
19:57.25shevek_whacks it out.
19:57.42DiscordianUK1991 was the funny boot floppy
19:57.59shevek_yes, and it sucked, and I mostly used Xenix.
19:58.04DiscordianUK1992 was Yggdrasil and MCC
19:58.09mindbendrhave you tried QNX
19:58.11mindbendrit was fun
19:58.12shevek_Yes.
19:58.17shevek_And I have Yggdrasil
19:58.22shevek_and SLS and TAMU
19:58.40DiscordianUKI used microport SVR2.3 prior to linux
19:58.56DiscordianUKI had SLS too
19:59.28DiscordianUKI must still have the CDs somewhere
20:01.55DiscordianUKI know I have one that has Linux,NetBSD and 386BSD
20:08.30DiscordianUKthough I'll confess I'm using a proper telly now
20:23.01halihm hm
20:23.17haliits odd how nice XP feels after spending a few months with Vista :)
20:23.39haliand virtualbox is fast++
20:23.52halieven on this fairly slow laptop
20:24.50DiscordianUKOh dear
20:25.45DiscordianUKI like Vista better than XP
20:26.00halii like parts of vista, but i don't like how sluggish it is
20:26.06haliall the binary signing etc
20:26.10halislows stuff down
20:26.11DiscordianUKtis slow
20:26.25halilike running a random .exe installer over the networks on vista takes _ages_
20:26.34halifor good and bad obviously
20:26.41DiscordianUKi don't like M$ anyway
20:27.00halii'm very torn
20:27.06halii dont like microsoft per say :)
20:27.32halibut i do think some products have improved alot lately, to the point of actually being ok to use
20:27.40halilike windows server 2008 is miles better than 2003
20:27.50halipowershell is handy, almost on par with ksh93
20:27.59DiscordianUKnot touched 2008
20:28.09halifree 120 day trial download if you get bored :)
20:28.14DiscordianUKLol
20:28.22haliterminal services is handy
20:28.27DiscordianUKksh93 you say?
20:28.31halirdp over https etc
20:28.45haliyes, it's nowhere near bash/zsh
20:28.58DiscordianUKquite
20:29.01halibrb, enabling intel vt in bios
20:29.08DiscordianUKI know the differences
20:34.18mindbendrwould running firefox's 32bit package make a big difference?
20:34.28mindbendrcomparing to 64 bit
20:34.57DiscordianUKPossibly
20:35.40DiscordianUK32 bit should be faster
20:38.40mindbendrDiscordianUK: why?
20:39.04DiscordianUKless overhead
20:39.29mindbendrDiscordianUK: could you explain a bit
20:41.53DiscordianUKNo, I couldn't, I've never studied this computer science
20:46.03halimore plugins work in the 32bit version
20:46.24halii doubt performance differences will be noticable
20:46.50DiscordianUKThat's true
20:56.55mindbendrit just replaces too many libraries on fedora
20:57.36mindbendrand the gui was looking a bit crappy i don't know why so i switched back to 64 bit but this flash plugin issue is worse
20:59.08DiscordianUKThe problem with 64 bit is you need two libs (one 64bit one 32bit) for everything
21:00.13DiscordianUKwhich will impact RAM residency
21:00.56mindbendri've got 4 gig so it's ok about the memory
21:03.42halifun job offer on the list
21:03.54hali12k for a sysadmin in london, seems _very_ low
21:03.56halieven junior
21:04.13mindbendrmight that be part-time?
21:04.25halino, full time in central london
21:04.33halisome media company
21:05.03DiscordianUKthat's pretty poor
21:05.14DiscordianUKread that
21:06.04halibanks are starting to get a bit desperate looking for people, noone "dares" to change jobs so they offer more and more cash
21:06.15halihopefully that will drive up all admin salaries :)
21:06.23DiscordianUKYeah seen that
21:06.45DiscordianUKI saw a contract role for 200-700 oper diem
21:07.03DiscordianUK8per
21:29.09halihm, i wonder if lenovo t61 is the best laptop ever made
21:29.14halii'm so pleased with it
21:29.33hali14.1" screen, not too chunky not too small
21:29.51Nafallohali: get the 9 cell battery and say that again ;-)
21:30.01DiscordianUKOoh free REALBasic
21:38.24mindbendrgoodnight
21:39.40haliNafallo: i have the 9 cell, it's a bit big .. true
21:39.45haliNafallo: i have a 6 cell too
21:40.55Nafallohali: I have 9 cell and 4 cell :-)
21:41.06haliis the small one 4 cell?
21:41.13halithe one that doesn't stick out
21:41.15Nafallohali: the standard one, yes.
21:41.26halimine came with 9cell
21:41.37hali$boss got the x300 ... sleak!
21:41.39Nafallohali: I want the 3 cell, but it costs as much as the 9 cell :-/
21:42.30halii use a x61 for testing at work, it's ok but the screen res sucks
21:42.47halix61 tablet shipped with good screens for a while
21:43.59halii think they actually took the high res x61's off the market when the x300 came out :/
21:44.03halibastards
21:44.50Nafallogot his finger between a rack and a wall today :-/
21:45.00haliouch
21:45.03Nafalloquite
21:45.29Nafalloat least I got free beer :-P
21:46.19halii was back in schweden this week... boring as usual
21:46.25halican't wait to get back to work
21:47.42NafalloI need to be forced to go back in the coming few years.
21:47.49NafalloI hate the place
21:48.07halii don't mind, but there isn't much going on
21:48.14haliespecially not in little Motala where i'm from :)
21:48.30NafalloMotala is big compared to Kungsör
21:48.53Nafalloespecially a bit outside of Kungsör, where there are mostly trees
21:49.06haliat least it isn't torneo
21:49.12halii hear people live there too
21:49.40NafalloI would rather have Torneo. norrlandskor are the awesomeness
21:50.05halinever met any nice ones
21:50.13NafalloI've only met nice ones.
21:50.28Nafalloalso... that accent...
21:50.32halii thought they only liked snoskotrar, pucko and grillad med mos
21:50.38Nafallogets like... speechless
21:51.20halihate the accent
21:51.20Nafallowell, there you go then
21:51.20hali"sa ve keela"
21:51.20Nafalloto each their own ;-)
21:51.20haliindeed
21:51.20halii prefer posh british girls
21:51.20hali:)
21:51.40Nafallothe one I'm most interested in at the moment lives in Australia :-)
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