00:38.15 | DiscordianUK | wyrd |
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08:19.56 | j0nr | morning |
08:28.48 | AndyMillar | morsing! |
08:31.34 | Leeds | afternoon all |
08:31.43 | zaarg | M0RN1NG |
08:32.12 | Leeds | N0T HERE, 1T 1SN'T! |
08:32.45 | zaarg | d4Mn |
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09:37.15 | kjs | Morning |
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10:12.37 | j0nr | argh, i managed to login to server using vnc4server with xdmcp on a vnc session :1 |
10:12.53 | j0nr | unfortunately i logged out (using the graphical logout button) |
10:13.02 | Blapto | Silly boy. |
10:13.07 | j0nr | now when i try and go back in i just get a grey screen with a black cross for a cursor? |
10:13.35 | j0nr | i have tried killing the Xvnc process, the xinetd process, restarting xinetd...but everything just goes to the grey screen |
10:13.39 | j0nr | can i fix this? |
10:13.41 | j0nr | remotely |
10:13.42 | wethrin | Yes |
10:13.46 | wethrin | Possibly |
10:13.59 | wethrin | You don't have a window manager running |
10:14.22 | wethrin | ssh in, and "env DISPLAY=:1 fvwm &" |
10:14.25 | wethrin | may do the trick |
10:14.31 | j0nr | i thought logging in with the xdmcp thingy meant it was a seperate session (had the login window) then you could log out and back in as much as you wanted? |
10:15.07 | j0nr | env: fvwm: No such file or directory |
10:15.07 | j0nr | [1] 9195 |
10:15.09 | j0nr | [1]+ Exit 127 env DISPLAY=:1 fvwm |
10:15.12 | wethrin | bah |
10:15.13 | wethrin | twm ? |
10:15.25 | wethrin | Most X versions should have twm installed |
10:15.29 | zaarg | xrdp seriously |
10:15.46 | j0nr | i have no idea what your on about....replace fvwm with twm? |
10:15.49 | zaarg | it's so much easier to configure 8-) not that's going to help in your immediate circumstances. |
10:15.53 | wethrin | yes |
10:16.14 | j0nr | same error |
10:16.30 | wethrin | Bah. You're probably using some modern hippie version of X, then |
10:16.32 | antiphase | wonders what's wrong with something like X forwarding over SSH to a VM |
10:16.55 | wethrin | doesn't have X on his servers |
10:17.00 | wethrin | (clients or servers) |
10:17.01 | j0nr | can't install a xserver on this work machine, have to rely on a standalone viewer |
10:17.11 | wethrin | What, not even Cygwin X? |
10:17.23 | j0nr | if you have to install it, then no. got no admin rights |
10:17.35 | antiphase | I'd be giving up about now |
10:17.40 | wethrin | I thought it's possible to install it without admin rights |
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10:17.57 | mindbendr | hi |
10:17.58 | j0nr | um...not sure |
10:17.59 | wethrin | Work should allow you to install the right tools for your job... |
10:18.13 | j0nr | heh, not really tools required for the job though |
10:18.29 | wethrin | Anyway. You're lacking a window manager |
10:18.40 | j0nr | why did it go? |
10:18.50 | Blapto | You killed it when you logged out |
10:18.58 | j0nr | i thought with xdmcp it was like logging in a second time. |
10:19.10 | j0nr | but why doesn;t it reload if i try and log in again? |
10:20.32 | antiphase | You should probably consider trying to get it working at home before you put the Internet in the way |
10:20.41 | antiphase | as boring as that sounds |
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10:21.14 | j0nr | yeah it was working...i just made the mistake of logging out |
10:21.23 | j0nr | so r u saying you can log in remotely, but never log out |
10:21.55 | Blapto | Just close the VNC viewer |
10:21.59 | Blapto | That's more or less the point of VNC |
10:22.04 | zaarg | sounds like you're not using xdmcp |
10:22.18 | zaarg | like you think? |
10:22.37 | zaarg | when you first logged into the session were you presented with a login manager? |
10:22.47 | zaarg | i mean a display manager like xdm or whatever |
10:23.03 | antiphase | thinks that XDMCP sounds like a protocol |
10:24.07 | j0nr | zaarg: yes, got the login manager |
10:27.08 | zaarg | wait a min, what window manager were you using before then? |
10:27.27 | j0nr | what do you mean? |
10:27.36 | zaarg | try what wethrin said earlier, replacing fvwm with the window manager? |
10:27.54 | j0nr | i'm confused... if i am at the computer logged in, thats session:0 right? |
10:28.06 | j0nr | i thought the remote login enabled you to log into a second session:1 |
10:28.20 | j0nr | so i thought i could logout of :1 and log back in at another date |
10:28.30 | j0nr | :0 remaining untouched |
10:28.37 | j0nr | i am using xubuntu |
10:28.50 | zaarg | yeah, that's perfectly possible. |
10:28.56 | zaarg | your setup is just broken. :) |
10:29.13 | j0nr | clearly :P |
10:29.23 | j0nr | but what bit of it? |
10:31.07 | zaarg | i have no idea. i have not been concerned with wroking that part out. i was just trying to help you retrieve your window manager. |
10:31.09 | wethrin | xubuntu |
10:31.10 | wethrin | HTH :) |
10:37.34 | zaarg | i think most people just give in and live with ssh access. |
10:39.35 | zaarg | actually i've yet to look into gui remote access for my mac |
10:39.43 | zaarg | presumably there's something that just works |
10:40.56 | Leeds | vnc? |
10:42.26 | zaarg | presumably tehre's something that just works and isn't insecure, butt slow, or neccessary to configure |
10:43.52 | wethrin | ssh + X forwarding :) |
10:45.33 | Leeds | vnc? |
10:49.32 | Leeds | zaarg: osx has a built-in vnc server - or it certainly used to |
10:50.38 | zaarg | right |
10:50.42 | zaarg | i haven't really investigated |
10:51.08 | zaarg | my entire experienec with os x has consisted of dropping things on the desktop and watching the ripple effect |
10:51.15 | zaarg | or spamming F11 or whatever the expose key is |
10:51.30 | Leeds | you know about the demo mode, right? |
10:51.47 | zaarg | no? |
10:52.03 | Leeds | hold down shift while you minimise a window |
10:53.17 | zaarg | i shall do tonight |
10:53.33 | Leeds | well, I'm going home |
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11:04.20 | Blapto | hehe |
11:04.34 | Blapto | Old HP/Compaq NT Network Manager error message: |
11:04.51 | Blapto | Could not resolve DHCP address on interface yadayada |
11:04.51 | Blapto | YES NO |
11:05.10 | wethrin | NO! |
11:05.18 | kjs | Hum, best way to start some commands as a specific user on boot of a CentOS box? (for a license server). |
11:05.28 | wethrin | sudo |
11:05.32 | wethrin | No |
11:05.33 | wethrin | su |
11:06.45 | wethrin | 'su user -c flexlm' |
11:23.32 | mindbendr | kjs: hows it going |
11:25.10 | antiphase | sudo -u command |
11:25.16 | antiphase | sudo -u user command |
11:25.19 | antiphase | Duh |
11:25.28 | antiphase | sudo is the new black |
11:25.30 | kjs | not to bad mindbendr, you got a job yet ? |
11:25.38 | kjs | antiphase: cheers man. |
11:25.53 | mindbendr | kjs: I did actually :) |
11:25.57 | antiphase | You'll need to delve into the fear and horror that is sudoers though |
11:26.17 | kjs | where would i put script for it to be started at boot? (iv only done this on deb). |
11:26.48 | antiphase | You might as well just use su then like wethrin says, and stick it in /etc/rc.local |
11:26.51 | kjs | antiphase: iv already had to do sudoers on this box! (scary shit...) |
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11:30.13 | kjs | bice one mindbendr doing what? |
11:30.15 | kjs | nice* |
11:30.27 | mindbendr | kjs: migrating from one datacenter to another one |
11:30.42 | mindbendr | kjs: with virtualization, lvm etc |
11:30.50 | mindbendr | kjs: and backup units |
11:31.00 | mindbendr | kjs: they have got issues with backuping |
11:31.18 | mindbendr | and firewall |
11:31.24 | mindbendr | so far. |
11:32.37 | kjs | mindbendr: sounds interesting, what are they using for backup ? |
11:45.31 | mindbendr | kjs: well there are LTO3 and LTO4 tape units with 24 and 48 slots |
11:45.50 | mindbendr | kjs: for the software side, I installed Zmanda but they want something easy to use |
11:45.51 | Blapto | datacentre migration |
11:45.52 | Blapto | AARRRGGHHH |
11:46.04 | mindbendr | kjs: so they are gonna spend loads of money on netvault it seems |
11:47.09 | mindbendr | Blapto: it's not bad if you use lvm |
11:47.28 | Blapto | mindbendr: depends what you're moving |
11:47.30 | mindbendr | I took a snapshot of the volume with `dd` |
11:47.40 | mindbendr | they were shocked |
11:47.41 | Blapto | At some point we're going to be moving a few hundred servers. |
11:47.43 | mindbendr | lol |
11:48.03 | mindbendr | Blapto: yeah I'm lucky about it, got loads of VM |
11:48.19 | kjs | mindbendr: use Bacula. |
11:48.34 | mindbendr | there is another linux guy here so I let him do the shitty job, by telling what he needs to do |
11:48.43 | Blapto | Hmm, I don't think you grasp the scale |
11:48.53 | kjs | I have setup bacula to backup virt servers etc with an LTO4 drive. |
11:48.54 | mindbendr | kjs: there's bacula being used I guess, but they're not happy with it |
11:49.03 | kjs | why not? |
11:49.11 | Blapto | It's a datafloor, not two or three servers going from rack A to rack B. A few hundred servers getting in a van and going to another datacentre |
11:49.36 | mindbendr | Blapto: i was explaining my situation :D we have got around 20+ |
11:49.53 | Blapto | That's doable, I suppose |
11:49.54 | antiphase | You can't beat commercial backup software for actually doing what it's supposed to with the minimum of pissing about |
11:49.55 | Blapto | Buying new kit? |
11:50.31 | mindbendr | antiphase: I'd go with amanda actually, but they want to hire a junior IT non linux guy then they want it to be easy to handle |
11:50.39 | kjs | what about veritas |
11:50.41 | kjs | ? |
11:50.51 | kjs | (dare i say it) |
11:50.57 | antiphase | The open source ones are all designed by people with a crack habit |
11:51.05 | Blapto | rsync! |
11:51.12 | mindbendr | I mean spending almost 7-8k pounds is not a solution for me, I'd use amanda and buy hardware with that money |
11:51.28 | antiphase | How much is your data worth? |
11:51.37 | mindbendr | antiphase: more than that probably |
11:51.39 | antiphase | 8k is a piss in the ocean |
11:52.09 | mindbendr | antiphase: true but I could solve a problem on opensource easier |
11:52.11 | kjs | ahahaah |
11:52.30 | mindbendr | antiphase: it's not even amanda, It's zmanda so we have got enterprise support |
11:52.46 | kjs | ah ok, thats not so bad then. |
11:52.56 | mindbendr | it's funny though, the commercial product took 5 mins to set up, amanda took 2 days |
11:53.09 | antiphase | You can't have much of a tape library if spending a few thousand quid upsets you |
11:53.10 | kjs | well yeah. |
11:53.27 | mindbendr | antiphase: it's not upsetting me, it's not my company I don't care |
11:53.39 | antiphase | I believe it's known as "spoiling the ship for a ha'porth of tar" |
11:53.53 | mindbendr | antiphase: but this window-ish backup solution on linux so stupid that if something breaks, I can't even touch it |
11:54.16 | kjs | netapps ftw? |
11:55.20 | mindbendr | netapps what |
11:56.32 | mindbendr | lunchtime, bbl. |
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13:09.57 | kjs | wonders what a CS:S server would run like on a xen VM... |
13:10.57 | catalyst | regardless of where it's running, I still wouldn't be able to resist blinding my teammates from the off |
13:12.29 | AndyMillar | kjs: go cs 1.6 |
13:12.31 | AndyMillar | as that's better |
13:16.53 | kjs | blah |
13:16.57 | kjs | i play source |
13:17.13 | kjs | iv not played 1.6 in years |
13:17.26 | AndyMillar | but it's so much more awesome |
13:17.34 | kjs | why |
13:17.45 | AndyMillar | well, it cunts my gfx card less :) |
13:18.01 | kjs | lol i have an 8800GTX |
13:18.14 | kjs | run it on XP though. |
13:18.28 | AndyMillar | i've only got an ati x1950 pro :( |
13:18.51 | kjs | not sure what that is, but CS:S runs on my laptop |
13:19.11 | kjs | and it used to run on my old 9800pro |
13:19.12 | AndyMillar | yeah, but you don't get a billion fps |
13:19.30 | kjs | you need wat 40fps. |
13:26.14 | AndyMillar | it feels laggy under 60 :( |
13:27.44 | mindbendr | lol |
13:28.00 | mindbendr | i'd cry out of my eyes if i could see 60 on unrealtournament |
13:32.32 | AndyMillar | is one of those sad cunts that used to play >6 hours a day :( |
13:33.04 | catalyst | used to play deathball that much |
13:33.20 | catalyst | I had an x1950 pro |
13:33.24 | catalyst | then my motherboard died |
13:34.27 | AndyMillar | :( |
13:34.30 | AndyMillar | they're not too bad |
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13:37.47 | Discordian | Good afternoon |
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14:03.32 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: How did the hair do go? |
14:04.26 | boudicca | dick_turpin; hair do? |
14:04.46 | dick_turpin | boudicca: Yeah last time we spoke you was off to the hairdressers |
14:04.48 | boudicca | dick_turpin; what do you mean please? |
14:04.59 | boudicca | ah right. now i understand |
14:05.12 | dick_turpin | boudicca: You pissed again? |
14:05.26 | boudicca | i've had my hair chpped from waist length to shoulder length and its far more manageable too |
14:05.50 | boudicca | no, you know me, i'm never pi**ed |
14:06.45 | dick_turpin | boudicca: ooh waste length hair dick_turpin is now unable to get up from the desk for 5 mins |
14:07.16 | boudicca | thats what it /was/ its now shoulder length :) |
14:08.47 | dick_turpin | boudicca: "Ooh your hair looks nice" phew after two marriages dick_turpin has learnt to notice quickly |
14:09.00 | boudicca | ty :) |
14:36.16 | Blapto | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 which 2 words would you use to describe OpenBSD devs? |
14:38.17 | AndyMillar | epic fail |
14:38.21 | AndyMillar | reads article |
14:39.07 | AndyMillar | yes, I was right |
14:39.39 | Blapto | I prefer Linus' "Masturbating monkeys" |
14:40.48 | antiphase | Linus's if you please ;) |
14:41.03 | antiphase | gets pedantic on yo ass |
14:42.48 | antiphase | Having said that, it's always funny watching people whose native language isn't English arguing in English, because it just looks so crude |
14:44.22 | zaarg | er Linus' is correct? |
14:44.41 | antiphase | Not really |
14:44.47 | zaarg | um... |
14:44.49 | zaarg | yes it is? |
14:45.13 | antiphase | One tends to add 's to singular nouns (even proper ones) to indicate possession even when they end in s already |
14:45.27 | zaarg | one does not |
14:45.34 | zaarg | only if only wants to look stupid |
14:46.34 | antiphase | http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_apost.html |
14:46.36 | catalyst | only if one wi'she's to look 'stupid |
14:46.39 | antiphase | Internet is always right |
14:47.04 | catalyst | only because the internet contains all views on every side of an argument |
14:52.22 | Blapto | That's American |
14:52.27 | Blapto | The BBC says you can do both |
14:55.21 | Blapto | Apparently the rules aren't fixed on this. We're both right |
14:55.24 | zaarg | i'm perfectly aware both are acceptable :) |
14:55.32 | zaarg | i just fancied a fight |
14:56.23 | cpufreak | outside, now. |
14:56.30 | cpufreak | I'll kick your fat ass outta here. |
14:56.55 | Blapto | Over grammar? |
14:57.03 | cpufreak | I thought he said he wanted a fight. |
14:59.33 | AndyMillar | mmh, fight? |
15:00.08 | zaarg | i always go by the oxford style manual |
15:00.18 | zaarg | as long as you're consistent in your usage |
15:00.50 | catalyst | why do you need to be consistent if others know what you mean? |
15:01.13 | cpufreak | yo mamma |
15:01.41 | wethrin | Just go with what Fowler says |
15:02.16 | antiphase | Pauline Fowler? |
15:02.27 | wethrin | Pff |
15:03.41 | Blapto | Fowler's says we used to do Linus' but now we should do Linus's, IIRC. I'm stuck in the past :( |
15:09.04 | zaarg | i've just always considered the additional s fugly |
15:09.45 | antiphase | It's consistent with the pronunciation though, which is probably why it's considered more correct now |
15:09.58 | antiphase | Now that loads of foreigners need to speak English |
15:12.53 | Blapto | Bloody foreigners |
15:16.40 | zaarg | so...semi-colons. |
15:16.43 | zaarg | they're fun huh? |
15:16.46 | zaarg | runs away |
15:17.52 | wethrin | Yes, yes they are ;) |
15:29.55 | gregj | prefix 017 is where ? |
15:30.09 | antiphase | -ENOTENOUGHDIGITS |
15:30.19 | antiphase | 017xx will be somewhere |
15:31.35 | gregj | 14333* |
15:31.39 | gregj | blah |
15:31.42 | gregj | 17333 |
15:32.27 | antiphase | 01733 is Peterborough |
15:32.49 | antiphase | At least it was when I lived that way 10 years ago |
15:33.05 | wethrin | Still is |
15:33.12 | wethrin | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/phoneinfo/ |
15:33.14 | mindbendr | what was the binary for generating a password on linux |
15:33.20 | gregj | looks like those guys are LTSB collectors, nice |
15:33.21 | mindbendr | makepasswd? |
15:33.25 | zaarg | pwgen? |
15:33.26 | gregj | since I don't have any cash for them |
15:33.41 | wethrin | LTSB? |
15:33.50 | gregj | lloyds tsb |
15:34.03 | wethrin | ah |
15:34.13 | gregj | needs to borrow 200 quid, for 1-2 months, any one able to ? priv me ;> |
15:34.29 | wethrin | ponders the idea of a bunch of folks with a collection of banks in their back yard |
15:34.36 | gregj | looks like I will have to go back to UK, and get some job there after all |
15:36.01 | Blapto | wethrin: have I met this David Cantrell? The name rings a bell |
15:36.31 | wethrin | Blapto: Evil Dave |
15:36.37 | wethrin | He has a beard |
15:36.40 | Blapto | Ah, right, yes |
15:36.57 | zaarg | all daves do i find. |
15:37.06 | wethrin | I know some that don't have a beard |
15:37.33 | zaarg | how strange. |
15:37.41 | mindbendr | *expect* package, mkpasswd is the command. |
15:51.30 | Leeds | gregj: you did pay me back last time, right? :-) |
15:53.09 | j0nr | you know how mozilla can show you a graphical representation of a web page you are creating, i.e. so you can see where borders and divs and things are...is there an online equivilent of that that anyone knows of? |
15:54.20 | Shevek31337 | j0nr, Even in my new-found 1337-ness, no. |
15:55.00 | j0nr | Shevek31337: heh ok |
16:00.06 | Blapto | There's a 4 year old bug against apt-get |
16:00.11 | Blapto | apt-get moo doesn't look much like a cow |
16:00.32 | Blapto | There's a patch attached :D |
16:01.17 | Blapto | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=271810 |
16:21.42 | AndyMillar | heh |
16:24.54 | Blapto | Ric's making a patch now to add a fresian cow with udders |
16:25.17 | boudiccas | Blapto; what are you going to pump it up with? |
16:26.00 | boudiccas | foot pump or bycycle pump? |
16:26.08 | Blapto | Friesian even. |
16:26.14 | Blapto | Errm, do you need to inflate cows? |
16:26.53 | Blapto | ASCII art is 2D and has no volume anyway |
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16:48.36 | DJ_InstincT | anybody know |
16:48.36 | DJ_InstincT | --=20 |
16:49.07 | DJ_InstincT | can anybody help with this compile error [vsftpd-2.0.6]: |
16:49.18 | DJ_InstincT | : undefined reference to `EVP_sha256' ? |
16:49.58 | DJ_InstincT | it's on centos - I just updated openssl to latest version to try and get working to no avail |
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16:59.45 | Shevek31337 | you need -lssl or somethign in your compile commandline |
17:00.06 | Shevek31337 | You might be able to set something like LDFLAGS=-lssl bnefore you run configure, but check configure actually succeeded |
17:06.15 | DJ_InstincT | it doesn't seem to have a configure script I just edit builddefs.h and run make - I have added LDFLAGS=-lssl but same error, There are a couple of warnings: |
17:06.15 | DJ_InstincT | ssl.c: In function `ssl_cert_digest': |
17:06.16 | DJ_InstincT | ssl.c:446: warning: implicit declaration of function `EVP_sha256' |
17:06.24 | DJ_InstincT | ssl.c:447: warning: passing arg 2 of `X509_digest' makes pointer from integer without a cast |
17:07.00 | antiphase | suggests RTFM |
17:07.59 | Blapto | Right, I'm going on holiday for a fortnight |
17:08.00 | Blapto | bye |
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18:51.00 | DiscordianUK | Evening |
18:52.36 | boudiccas | good evening |
18:54.59 | DiscordianUK | Hi boudiccas |
19:40.41 | gregj | leeds: well... that is a different case, but you know I will. |
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21:51.33 | simpleguy | Good evening everyone |
21:51.47 | DiscordianUK | ning |
21:52.45 | simpleguy | Im a tourist in London and free software/linux entusiast. I was browing around a bit to see whats the status of LUGs in the UK and found the GLLUG |
21:53.09 | simpleguy | Im from Mauritius island |
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22:40.45 | ChoHag | So, after yesterday's power outage and utter lack of failover, today's what-the-fuck-happend meeting was .... nonexistent. |
22:41.32 | ChoHag | In fact, although I am required to record changes made to echo statements in a script which is still in development, it's not even been noted in the system incidents database. |
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23:01.38 | kjs | Ahahahhahahahah its midnight !!! THATS SO FUCKING FUNNY |
23:08.41 | curson | indeed, so my clock says too |
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