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| 04:21.43 | DiscordianUK | Hi |
| 04:31.25 | Leeds | afternoon |
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| 07:18.09 | j0nr | morning |
| 07:30.24 | zaarg | friday toot toot |
| 07:30.26 | zaarg | morning |
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| 08:28.55 | morsing | Anyone awake? |
| 08:30.13 | morsing | My TLD entry seems to have broken... Can TLD entries really be poisened? Or is it something else? |
| 08:31.13 | gregj | yes they can |
| 08:31.27 | gregj | easily done, been done in the past, why not |
| 08:32.44 | morsing | But on a TLD? DNS poisening only happens when a server asks something and TLDs never ask... |
| 08:32.58 | morsing | Never heard of this being done before |
| 08:33.03 | morsing | How do I fix it? |
| 08:33.30 | Leeds | morsing: do you own a tld? |
| 08:33.36 | morsing | Someone's either made a mistake who works for the TLD or someone's hacked it |
| 08:33.43 | morsing | Leeds: No of course not |
| 08:33.50 | morsing | I'm not a millionaire |
| 08:34.00 | Leeds | so what are you talking about? |
| 08:34.01 | morsing | Sorry, do you mean TLD server? |
| 08:34.11 | Leeds | are you talking about morsing.cc? |
| 08:34.16 | morsing | I don't own the TLD server with my entry, no |
| 08:34.18 | morsing | Yes |
| 08:34.24 | Leeds | what's wrong with it? |
| 08:34.35 | morsing | It's suddenly been screwed up |
| 08:34.51 | Leeds | it expired yesterday |
| 08:35.03 | morsing | Points to nothing and has rogue DNS listed for the domain even when asking the TLD server |
| 08:35.12 | morsing | Why didn't they tell me? |
| 08:35.18 | morsing | And where do you see that? |
| 08:35.25 | Leeds | I see it in the DNS |
| 08:35.33 | Leeds | or in the whois database, to be precise |
| 08:35.34 | j0nr | morsing! |
| 08:35.46 | Leeds | Creation date: 17 Jul 2000 03:00:00 |
| 08:35.46 | Leeds | Expiration date: 17 Jul 2008 03:00:00 |
| 08:36.20 | morsing | Leeds: When I go to my registrars page, I can't login but when I check the domain it says "Not available" so what do I do? |
| 08:36.29 | morsing | And again, why didn't they tell me? |
| 08:36.59 | Leeds | of course none of us have any idea why they didn't tell you |
| 08:37.11 | Leeds | I've got a .org expiring in September, and I got warned about it by email this week |
| 08:37.18 | Leeds | over-zealous spam filter caught it? |
| 08:37.41 | Leeds | alternatively, maybe they sent the alert to your registered email address: henrik.morsing@camelotinteractive.com |
| 08:38.14 | morsing | Well, I had a nigtmare changing that incorrect email address last year so SERIOUSLY don't hope that's still the registered one!!! |
| 08:40.11 | Leeds | have you come across the 'whois' tool before? |
| 08:40.59 | morsing | Fuck off idiot |
| 08:41.10 | Leeds | that is the registered address for the administrative and technical contacts |
| 08:41.22 | morsing | Took me tree weeks and lots of money phoning the US sorting this out last year |
| 08:41.24 | Leeds | who both live at 17 Thackeray End? |
| 08:41.32 | Leeds | well... it didn't work |
| 08:41.33 | bilarh | leeds: oh the irony :D |
| 08:41.42 | morsing | Leeds: Well, clearly |
| 08:41.49 | Leeds | sounds like you've got monkeys for registrars |
| 08:41.58 | morsing | Had to send them copies of my passport to get them to change it |
| 08:42.02 | Leeds | bilarh: ? |
| 08:42.20 | bilarh | sorry, i was too slow typing, it should have come about four lines earlier :) |
| 08:42.38 | bilarh | and possibly s/Leeds:// |
| 08:42.55 | Leeds | watches bilarh's point fly far over his head |
| 08:43.02 | morsing | as well |
| 08:43.27 | bilarh | anyway, with regards to domain names |
| 08:43.37 | bilarh | i've had two emails telling me that my domain name is about to expire |
| 08:43.42 | bilarh | *and* a letter from nominet |
| 08:43.43 | morsing | This means I won't have email again for a month!!! |
| 08:43.53 | bilarh | *and* a second bill if I *really* wanted to keep it |
| 08:43.56 | morsing | curses enic |
| 08:44.02 | Leeds | gets paranoid and checks his main domain |
| 08:44.21 | Alex | Horse. |
| 08:44.21 | bilarh | this was for a domain that I didn't want to renew, so it was ok |
| 08:44.23 | Leeds | phew, paid up for another 13 months |
| 08:44.24 | morsing | Fucking useless idiots!!! |
| 08:44.30 | Leeds | Alex? |
| 08:44.33 | bilarh | but what i'm saying is, that they do send lots of reminders out |
| 08:44.42 | Alex | Leeds. |
| 08:44.53 | bilarh | morsing: don't you get one of those login codes with your certificate anyway? |
| 08:45.04 | Leeds | bilarh: the warning I got was for a domain I bought in 2000 for a (now-largely-defunct) free software project, as my contribution |
| 08:45.34 | morsing | bilarh?? |
| 08:45.38 | Leeds | it hasn't actually pointed at the project for years anyway, I emailed the project list, and the maintainer told me he didn't want it, let it lapse |
| 08:46.38 | bilarh | leeds: ah, so you got a warning as well, then :) |
| 08:47.25 | Leeds | yup |
| 08:47.32 | morsing | Fucking ass-holes - my company email and website doesn't work either so I can't look for work now!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:47.49 | Leeds | but then I didn't use my work email address - I've been through enough jobs that I would never use my work address for anything non-work |
| 08:48.09 | bilarh | morsing: seriously, it's not their fault that it expired is it |
| 08:48.33 | morsing | bilarh: It's their fault that after promising me last year to change my contact email, they didn't!!! |
| 08:48.39 | bilarh | get a sense of perspective and personal responsibility |
| 08:48.43 | morsing | IDIOTS!! |
| 08:48.43 | bilarh | why didn't you make sure they did then? |
| 08:48.46 | bilarh | you should have checked it |
| 08:48.52 | bilarh | never trust anyone else to do anything for you |
| 08:49.05 | bilarh | lex bilarh I, that is |
| 08:49.09 | morsing | I did, I could login on my account with my correct email and it showed up correctly in there |
| 08:49.59 | bilarh | so just pay it now then? |
| 08:50.11 | bilarh | it only takes a day or so probably |
| 08:50.45 | Leeds | morsing: call them now? |
| 08:51.00 | morsing | Right, where can I register this elsewhere now? It says the domain is taken, when will it be available? |
| 08:51.06 | morsing | Leeds: They're closed |
| 08:51.06 | Leeds | that means your account with the registrar has the correct address, not the domain |
| 08:51.18 | morsing | bilarh: It says the domain is not available |
| 08:51.37 | bilarh | whois morsing.cc? |
| 08:51.42 | Leeds | morsing: it looks to me like they've expired the domain on their site, and renewed it for a year in the dns |
| 08:51.49 | morsing | Right |
| 08:52.02 | morsing | So what does that mean? |
| 08:52.27 | bilarh | morsing: it means you'll have to pay $$$$ to get it back :) |
| 08:52.29 | morsing | Can you get to www.morsing.cc? |
| 08:52.40 | morsing | bilarh: I don't care about that but how do I get it back? |
| 08:52.42 | bilarh | hands morsing the lube for when he calls the registrars |
| 08:52.53 | bilarh | try the dog-and-bone |
| 08:53.04 | bilarh | (phone) |
| 08:53.08 | morsing | TBH, I'd rather re-register with another registrar but it says domain not available |
| 08:53.16 | bilarh | it's put on retention for a while first |
| 08:53.28 | morsing | bilarh: They most likely won't let me pay that way, I couldn't the last time |
| 08:53.42 | morsing | And I can't log into my account |
| 08:53.50 | bilarh | yeah but they'll let you know what you can do to get your domain back |
| 08:53.56 | bilarh | they *want* you to pay for the domain, don't forget |
| 08:54.07 | bilarh | because that pays their salary and their mortgages |
| 08:54.14 | morsing | bilarh: It takes weeks and I have to fax them y passport again |
| 08:54.17 | morsing | s/y/my/ |
| 08:56.19 | Alex | Hello, all. Can anyone suggest a method that'll allow me to tunnel all of my IP stack through a SOCKS proxy? |
| 08:56.49 | Leeds | does it have to be socks? |
| 08:57.11 | Alex | Leeds: Not necessarily - what alternatives do I have? |
| 08:57.34 | Leeds | I've used openvpn quite successfully in a couple of different situations |
| 08:57.57 | Alex | Possibly if I give a bit of background this would help. I need to do a demonstration of some sites which have GeoIP blocking. I can get around these quite easily using things like Privoxy on a US host, however certain ones are utter bastards and install local browser plugins which don't seem to respect HTTP proxies. |
| 08:58.03 | Alex | OpenVPN, you say? |
| 08:58.08 | Leeds | yup |
| 08:58.38 | Alex | Interessent. My network-fu is weak to say the least - how do you 'force' your traffic to traverse the VPN rather than go out over your local router? Just add in a default route using.. the remote box? |
| 08:58.44 | Alex | or am I talkin' jibber jabber? |
| 08:58.53 | Leeds | pretty much that, yes |
| 08:59.21 | Leeds | there's a bit of a catch-22 about being able to route openvpn traffic over the internet and everything else over the tunnel |
| 08:59.31 | Alex | That's potentially awesome, or potentially a box of fail - these will need to be demonstrated on Winders boxen I imagine. I hope I can tart around the routing on that |
| 08:59.37 | Leeds | but it does do some of that for you, if you give it the right options |
| 08:59.46 | Leeds | they claim it works pretty well on windows - I've never tried |
| 09:00.04 | Alex | Leeds: are you still in hk, or are you back in Engerland now? |
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| 09:00.31 | Leeds | still in HK |
| 09:00.34 | mindbendr | morning |
| 09:00.35 | Alex | Ah, damnit. |
| 09:00.50 | Alex | If: this works AND you ever return to blighty, I shall buy you a pint of some sort. |
| 09:00.57 | Leeds | noted :-) |
| 09:01.47 | Alex | If it doesn't work, I'll find you and write angry letters to your pets! :( |
| 09:02.02 | Leeds | one thing I will say, I've only ever used it in a simple static route, static authentication mode |
| 09:02.51 | Alex | Riight. |
| 09:13.58 | morsing | Right, just phoned them and even though he said no at first I convinced him to let me renew the domain over the phone |
| 09:14.13 | morsing | Changing the email address I again have to send them a passport copy |
| 09:44.24 | AndyMillar | Alex: ssh tunnel it |
| 09:45.57 | Alex | AndyMillar: ...what? |
| 10:05.15 | kjs | morning guys |
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| 10:07.10 | boudiccas | kjs; even though i'm not a guy i'll still wish you a good morning |
| 10:07.23 | mindbendr | morning kjs |
| 10:07.34 | AndyMillar | Alex: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/ppp-ssh.html might do it |
| 10:07.36 | mindbendr | boudiccas: you should be a guy |
| 10:07.46 | bilarh | gives boudiccas a shocked look :S |
| 10:08.01 | bilarh | oh, i get it :S |
| 10:08.13 | boudiccas | mindbendr; why should i be a guy? i'm very happy as i am thnak you |
| 10:08.14 | mindbendr | you get what |
| 10:08.58 | mindbendr | boudiccas: you don't know what you are missing, look to the people here, it's all guys. there should be a reason, otherwise we would have more females here right? |
| 10:09.22 | Leeds | boudiccas: why aren't you a guy? |
| 10:09.23 | bilarh | mindbendr: well, i kind of thought of a guys "morning salue" and then there was some kind of innuendo inferred by boudiccas, but it turns out I've got an exceedingly dirty mind and I shouldn't assume everyone else has one too |
| 10:10.03 | boudiccas | Leeds; why should i be a guy? |
| 10:10.09 | Leeds | AndyMillar: two things: is there something wrong with my proposed openvpn solution, and does ppp-ssh work on windows? |
| 10:10.20 | mindbendr | bilarh: lol |
| 10:10.38 | mindbendr | boudiccas: then you don't need to do make up |
| 10:10.38 | Leeds | boudiccas: oh, I'm not suggesting you should be - just asking why you aren't |
| 10:10.51 | Leeds | mindbendr: daily (approximately) face-shaving |
| 10:10.53 | Alex | aaaaargh redirect-gateway isn't working :( |
| 10:11.00 | mindbendr | Leeds: i dont lol |
| 10:11.03 | mindbendr | Leeds: weekly rules |
| 10:11.04 | boudiccas | but i like my makeup, it makes me look nice |
| 10:11.23 | Leeds | I reckon I laugh out loud more often than I shave |
| 10:11.24 | mindbendr | boudiccas: aren't we nice you are saying? |
| 10:11.34 | Leeds | boudiccas: we'll be the judges of that |
| 10:11.52 | boudiccas | mindbendr; you're reading more into what i'm saying than i'm intimating |
| 10:12.10 | mindbendr | if i were a female, i wouldn't be here. |
| 10:12.27 | mindbendr | I would be in shopping or something, spending my rich husband's money |
| 10:12.28 | boudiccas | mindbendr; where would you be then? |
| 10:12.29 | bilarh | mindbendr: "I'd be at home playing with my puppies all day"? *rolleyes* |
| 10:12.40 | bilarh | dang, the dirty mind bites again... |
| 10:13.46 | mindbendr | this rsnapshot thing is a good tool btw (see if i were a girl, i wouldn't mind this) |
| 10:14.17 | boudiccas | i like rsnapshot, it handles my backups very well and nicely too |
| 10:14.28 | kjs | mindbendr: look up dirvish |
| 10:14.34 | kjs | easier to restore iirc. |
| 10:14.34 | mindbendr | boudiccas: that's the reason why you should be a guy |
| 10:14.58 | Leeds | bilarh: you're saying you'd be an animal lover if you were a woman? |
| 10:15.11 | mindbendr | kjs: how can that be easier? this is just copy * -r |
| 10:15.17 | bilarh | leeds: yes of course, what else would i have meant? |
| 10:15.26 | mindbendr | i love animals. |
| 10:15.31 | mindbendr | don't you. |
| 10:15.32 | bilarh | i love puppies |
| 10:15.38 | boudiccas | i couldnt eat a whole one |
| 10:15.46 | Leeds | I like puppies |
| 10:15.47 | kjs | perphaps it was easier to do multipul machine backups |
| 10:16.12 | kjs | not sure I used rsnapshot for a while though, was good |
| 10:16.32 | kjs | I intend to set it up later actually. |
| 10:16.51 | kjs | with, amazon "jungledisk" |
| 10:17.33 | mindbendr | kjs: rsnapshot uses rsync |
| 10:17.42 | mindbendr | kjs: and rotates the dirs that's it |
| 10:17.55 | mindbendr | kjs: it does incremental backups though with the usage of hardlinks |
| 10:18.10 | boudiccas | plus its easy to restore from |
| 10:18.19 | mindbendr | boudiccas: which one? |
| 10:18.22 | mindbendr | boudiccas: rsnapshot? |
| 10:18.25 | boudiccas | yes |
| 10:18.35 | mindbendr | boudiccas: have you used the other one |
| 10:18.46 | boudiccas | no, i've only used rsnapshot |
| 10:18.59 | boudiccas | which works nicely for me |
| 10:19.10 | mindbendr | what do you think about the security for using public keys |
| 10:19.20 | mindbendr | in favour of rsnapshot |
| 10:19.37 | mindbendr | (public keys for root@ssh) |
| 10:20.09 | mindbendr | in the rsnapshot webpage, it's saying you can use a shell restricted to `scp` |
| 10:20.22 | mindbendr | but i'm too lazy to set it up |
| 10:21.09 | Leeds | attempts nonchalance |
| 10:24.07 | morsing | sneezes on Leeds |
| 10:25.25 | mindbendr | boudiccas: so can you cook as well |
| 10:25.34 | mindbendr | boudiccas: or just linux administration? |
| 10:25.43 | morsing | mindbendr: She can't |
| 10:25.43 | boudiccas | mindbendr; as well as what? |
| 10:25.53 | mindbendr | morsing: thought so. |
| 10:25.57 | morsing | boudiccas: Learn the language |
| 10:26.00 | mindbendr | she should be a guy. |
| 10:27.16 | Leeds | boudiccas: feel free to punch morsing |
| 10:27.42 | morsing | Leeds: Why? |
| 10:27.47 | Leeds | and mindbendr as well, for that matter |
| 10:28.12 | Leeds | boudiccas: in fact, I recommend a violent rampage... we miss george |
| 10:29.33 | sabinef72 | no we miss mozrat |
| 10:29.51 | morsing | Mozrat :(((((( |
| 10:29.56 | morsing | pulls sabinef72's nose |
| 10:30.08 | Leeds | yeah, him too |
| 10:30.08 | boudiccas | what did happen to mozrat? |
| 10:30.18 | Leeds | boudiccas: I think he got a life |
| 10:30.40 | Leeds | he was in HK last year... |
| 10:31.17 | Leeds | is just waiting for the bosses to leave the office |
| 10:54.19 | Alex | DAMN YOU LEEDS! |
| 10:54.24 | Alex | You left just as I needed to ask something about OpenVPN |
| 11:24.50 | gregj | :] |
| 11:25.08 | gregj | he has sneaky managment in the office now probably, so ... |
| 11:44.12 | Alex | He's managed by NINJAS?! Oh lawdf. |
| 11:45.25 | boudiccas | i dont think that the chinese have ninjas, i think its the japanese |
| 11:45.40 | bilarh | boudiccas: it's the ninja exchange program |
| 11:46.02 | boudiccas | ah right :) |
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| 11:55.39 | gregj | Alex: ;] |
| 11:55.47 | gregj | :d |
| 11:57.00 | boudiccas | heres dick_turpin !!! |
| 11:57.17 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: /me hugs boudiccas |
| 11:57.18 | mindbendr | kjs: in dirvish, does it make hardlinks of the non-changed files in the backup or does it make a full backup on each run |
| 12:11.36 | dick_turpin | bilarh: :-P |
| 12:21.12 | bilarh | dick_turpin: japanese lesbians |
| 12:21.32 | dick_turpin | bilarh: How much? |
| 12:21.55 | bilarh | not for sale, unfortunately |
| 12:22.04 | bilarh | i need her for producing dirty underwear |
| 12:22.11 | bilarh | i can sell you some for 5.00GBP+VAT a pop |
| 12:23.27 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I've been knocking my own out @ £8.00 a pop |
| 12:24.03 | bilarh | is there a market for underwear soiled by old english dirty bastards? :-S |
| 12:25.53 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Sure us Essex boys are a highly sought commodity |
| 12:26.13 | bilarh | vintage essex boy :D |
| 12:29.14 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Yes, OK, I've been round the block a couple of times but I bet I'd give you a run for your money Lard Arse :-P |
| 12:29.58 | bilarh | damnit, i'm really pissed off |
| 12:30.03 | bilarh | i missed an auction yesterday on ebay |
| 12:30.05 | bilarh | or lost rather |
| 12:30.08 | bilarh | for a volvo s70 t5 |
| 12:30.14 | bilarh | it went for 417 quid in the end! |
| 12:30.30 | bilarh | a low miler at a mere 203000 miles as well :D |
| 12:32.32 | bilarh | that would have been perfect for the scumball |
| 12:32.45 | dick_turpin | But would you have got your fat bum in it? :-P |
| 12:32.51 | bilarh | just about |
| 12:33.05 | bilarh | i reckon if i threw myself down, i would have been securely wedged in the sports seats |
| 12:33.12 | dick_turpin | It would have supported the weight I suppose |
| 12:33.22 | bilarh | it might have hobbled over onto one side |
| 12:34.36 | dick_turpin | I couldn't have been the passenger people keep getting dazzeled by their headlights reflecting off my head :-) |
| 12:35.09 | bilarh | hehe :) |
| 12:35.41 | bilarh | speaking of which, i think i might shave my hair off |
| 12:35.47 | bilarh | it's getting all thin anyway |
| 12:36.24 | dick_turpin | What? you're gonna shave your arse? |
| 12:36.45 | bilarh | no my head |
| 12:37.00 | bilarh | i've already got clean shaven nether regions |
| 12:37.37 | dick_turpin | I know I've seen the pictures on Worlds Scariest Videos |
| 12:38.08 | bilarh | hehe |
| 12:40.11 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I take it you won't be comming up to Wolverhampton for LugRadio Live? |
| 12:40.22 | bilarh | no |
| 12:45.20 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Pity |
| 12:45.29 | boudiccas | its the last one isnt it dick_turpin ??? |
| 12:46.34 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Yeah but I heard a rumour (and its a rumour) there might be a surprise 'come back' next year |
| 12:47.02 | boudiccas | ah right. we were discussing it at our recent geek-e-que |
| 12:47.37 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Yeah it slipped out on Wednesday at the Wolves-Lug meet I went too |
| 12:47.50 | boudiccas | the general consensus seemed to be that it would be much better without all the swearing |
| 12:48.09 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: meh |
| 12:51.12 | boudiccas | meep |
| 12:51.20 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Interestingly I've seen lots of blog replies being pretty vindictive about the show. I thought it was fairly popular? Just show what I know |
| 12:52.43 | boudiccas | i suppose it depends on your culture. this was white, mainly middleclass and male who were saying that they didnt like all the swearing, and the main person who said this is a teacher ina london secondary school |
| 12:53.55 | bilarh | boudiccas: hrm... he probably didn't like it because there was no way to make it seem like more people passed a stupid test |
| 12:54.29 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: My only observation was that the show needed to become more professional, a bit slick, but I think Jono 'et al' saw it more as four lads down the pub |
| 12:55.56 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Ha and if you believe that news story your more gullible than I thought. Theres no way an 11 year old wrote that off their own bat |
| 12:56.19 | bilarh | dick_turpin: what news story? |
| 12:56.33 | bilarh | i was just poking fun at the gcse pass rates |
| 12:57.20 | dick_turpin | bilarh: The 'Sats' one, two supposedly identical bits of work one written badly the other looks like an adult wrote |
| 12:57.39 | dick_turpin | bilarh: The bad one got better marks than the good one |
| 12:57.44 | bilarh | wtf |
| 12:58.26 | dick_turpin | bilarh: What they don't tell you (and what I bet happened) was the good one probably got marked down for cheating |
| 12:58.45 | bilarh | hmm |
| 12:58.45 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Well thats my opinion anyway |
| 12:58.56 | bilarh | i couldn't possibly comment :) |
| 12:59.23 | kjs | mindbendr: links |
| 12:59.55 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Fair enough, I think its been on Central News as its in Manchester or something but its bound to filter to the nationals |
| 13:00.52 | bilarh | hmm |
| 13:01.20 | bilarh | well, the sad fact is that no matter who passes or not, most kiddos today can't wrote or reed wery vell, innit |
| 13:02.45 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Does it matter with spell checkers? I mean not many people write letters by hand anymore :-( |
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| 13:03.02 | bilarh | dick_turpin: damn right it does |
| 13:03.11 | bilarh | poor spelling makes you look like an idiot |
| 13:03.45 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I'm not so sure some people can do that just by opening their mouths |
| 13:04.06 | bilarh | ;-) |
| 13:05.46 | boudiccas | i agree with bilarh re poor spelling |
| 13:07.11 | dick_turpin | OK I agree poor spelling is a factor but to me what someone says is more important than how they say it, but thats just me |
| 13:07.40 | bilarh | obviously that plays a part as well, otherwise i'd come across as reasonably intelligent :D |
| 13:08.39 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Actually I think you are fairly intelligent the other day you was helping someone I just sat back watching being very impressed |
| 13:09.27 | bilarh | hrm,... i can't remember what you're talking about, but i probably had an alterior motive :) |
| 13:09.49 | bilarh | knowing linux stuff isn't the same as being intelligent, though, it just means you're nerdy :) |
| 13:10.40 | dick_turpin | Think it was yesterday or the day before, Jeeze people in IRC channels have worse memories than me and that's saying something |
| 13:11.09 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; you impress easily then :))) |
| 13:11.37 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Well I must do I give bilarh the time of day ;-) |
| 13:11.55 | bilarh | i don't need your time of day, i've got it on my phon |
| 13:11.56 | bilarh | e |
| 13:12.03 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; what are you, the speaking clock or summat |
| 13:12.09 | boudiccas | ??? |
| 13:12.23 | bilarh | summat, pfft, boudiccas you're clearly an idiot ;-) |
| 13:12.43 | bilarh | snipes at everything and everyone |
| 13:12.52 | boudiccas | thwaps bilarh |
| 13:13.06 | bilarh | runs off and tells his mum |
| 13:13.22 | dick_turpin | consults the spellchecker |
| 13:13.24 | bilarh | and *boy* is she big |
| 13:13.29 | bilarh | so watch it |
| 13:13.45 | bilarh | i hope she doesn't read this |
| 13:13.46 | boudiccas | i've got a bigger handbag than your mum |
| 13:14.50 | bilarh | wtf is going on with london: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7513416.stm |
| 13:15.22 | bilarh | fucking lowlife scum |
| 13:15.30 | bilarh | why don't they just build more prisons and lock the fuckers up?! |
| 13:16.12 | dick_turpin | The time sponsored by the Bill Gates foundation will be 14:17 |
| 13:16.37 | bilarh | too little, too late... it's 14:18 :) |
| 13:17.35 | dick_turpin | bilarh: You're clocks wrong |
| 13:17.59 | bilarh | hrm |
| 13:18.04 | bilarh | maybe you should upgrade to a linux clock |
| 13:18.20 | bilarh | that way you could look at the innards to figure out why it's displaying the wrong time |
| 13:18.37 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I've heard Mac is pretty solid |
| 13:19.11 | bilarh | yeah a bit pricey though |
| 13:19.16 | bilarh | could buy a rolex for taht kind of money :) |
| 13:19.49 | dick_turpin | taht? |
| 13:20.01 | dick_turpin | :-P |
| 13:20.09 | bilarh | it's a currency used on the borders between laos and thailand |
| 13:20.19 | dick_turpin | lol |
| 13:21.27 | dick_turpin | So how do I wipe a BIOS on an Acer Laptop Phoenix BIOS? There's got to be a Linux thingy that'll help? |
| 13:21.40 | bilarh | try ramming a screwdriver through it |
| 13:21.51 | bilarh | sorry |
| 13:22.52 | dick_turpin | bilarh: My intelligence rateing for you has just dropped 30% |
| 13:25.15 | dick_turpin | flounces of for a widdle |
| 13:27.27 | mindbendr | kjs: symbolic or hard? |
| 13:27.48 | mindbendr | kjs: stupid question, nevermind. |
| 13:28.36 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; meh |
| 13:29.01 | mindbendr | kjs: when an interruption occurs in the backup process, when you restart it what happens? in rsnapshot, it starts to do a full-backup so if we have 5 TB data, it costs us 10 days if we don't handle the directories renamed |
| 13:40.39 | dick_turpin | Huh well that didn't work. Was hoping a USB FDD would get shunted to 1st in the boot order of the locked BIOS :-( |
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| 13:47.35 | zaarg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a6lxiB1b_I&feature=related |
| 13:47.40 | zaarg | PolyStation 3 review |
| 13:47.42 | zaarg | v. amusing |
| 14:00.49 | kjs | mindbendr: it doesnt in rsnapshot, im pretty sure it continues from the last snapshot and fills what it has not done. |
| 14:10.16 | mindbendr | kjs: i'm confused |
| 14:14.26 | kjs | ok |
| 14:14.35 | kjs | saying your backups running |
| 14:15.00 | kjs | and its syncing what has changed since the last time... and your internet connection dies... |
| 14:15.03 | kjs | it errors. |
| 14:15.22 | kjs | when the next sync happens it will continue from the last attempted sync. |
| 14:16.09 | kjs | and of course you know that rsync makes a binary diff of the data, and only transfers what has actually changed. |
| 14:24.09 | mindbendr | kjs: when i did break it, it could only copy 250 mb of the data |
| 14:24.43 | mindbendr | kjs: then I started it again and it rotated the directory and I believe it assumed that the data has been removed/changed and started to transfer all the way. |
| 14:25.44 | mindbendr | kjs: and the time I restarted rsnapshot after the interruption, I got these errors |
| 14:25.48 | mindbendr | file has vanished: "/proc/20903/task/20903/exe" |
| 14:25.51 | mindbendr | file has vanished: "/proc/20903/exe" |
| 14:25.53 | mindbendr | IO error encountered -- skipping file deletion |
| 14:26.02 | mindbendr | this is the last bit, it's like 2 page downs. |
| 14:28.52 | mindbendr | kjs: I guess you got it wrong (still can't be sure) |
| 14:29.18 | mindbendr | kjs: there were 2 folders before my second rsnapshot trial |
| 14:29.28 | mindbendr | kjs: hourly0 and hourly1 |
| 14:30.05 | mindbendr | kjs: in my attempt to run of rsync for a 3rd backup, it re-created hourly0 and renamed the others as hourly1 and hourly2 |
| 14:30.22 | mindbendr | kjs: when I check hourly0, It was like 200 mb because It's interrupted |
| 14:30.48 | mindbendr | kjs: so in my 4rd trial, it moved hourly0 (250mb) to hourly1 and created a new hourly0 |
| 14:32.08 | mindbendr | kjs: the thing I can't understand, does it realise that it's interrupted and create the hardlinks by using hourly2 and hourly3 instead of using the broken hourly0 directory OR does it start to copy everything from the remote host so in the new hourly0, do I have a full-backup instead of incrementals |
| 14:33.37 | mindbendr | boudiccas: any ideas? |
| 14:36.39 | wethrin | Don't back up /proc |
| 14:36.41 | wethrin | That's silly |
| 14:38.41 | kjs | when it runs it created hourly0 ok it trys to do a full backup if it gets interrupted it will error. then when the next backup runs it copies hourly0 hardlinks to hourly1 then syncs with your backup source. |
| 14:39.23 | kjs | its worked fine for me for 2 yrs |
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| 14:39.31 | kjs | :D |
| 14:42.11 | kjs | mindbendr: hire me ill set it up for you ;) |
| 14:42.54 | mindbendr | wethrin: i dont. |
| 14:43.05 | mindbendr | kjs: it's not about setting up |
| 14:43.24 | mindbendr | kjs: I break it so badly that It cannot recover (worst cast scenario test) |
| 14:43.36 | kjs | mindbendr: ok? |
| 14:43.38 | kjs | how |
| 14:44.04 | mindbendr | lol I did an instant control break as the time I started |
| 14:44.28 | kjs | its simple let it do a full sync and from that point on, it will be fine, I had the same worries as you when setting it all up... I even emailed the dev. |
| 14:44.30 | mindbendr | now it copied 40 gb data and removed %95 them without a reason |
| 14:45.34 | mindbendr | kjs: it's not a big deal for me, the manager here wants to see every possible situation |
| 14:45.34 | mindbendr | if it'd up to me I wouldn't even backup this shit |
| 14:45.34 | mindbendr | he wants to backup the whole world. |
| 14:45.35 | kjs | lol |
| 14:45.36 | kjs | one of thise guys... |
| 14:45.39 | kjs | those* |
| 14:45.39 | mindbendr | worried whatif he wants the back me up |
| 14:45.43 | wethrin | Back up your data, sure. The OS....not worth it |
| 14:45.48 | mindbendr | the=to |
| 14:45.51 | kjs | tell him to get some balls. |
| 14:46.09 | mindbendr | wethrin: i'm only a poor contractor :) |
| 14:46.17 | kjs | and tell him "Backing up is for Pussys" |
| 14:46.18 | wethrin | heh |
| 14:46.21 | mindbendr | wethrin: they wanna backup the logs and everything |
| 14:46.32 | mindbendr | the funny part is |
| 14:46.51 | mindbendr | he's gonna backup these to 2 places and write it to the tapebackup as the 3rd option |
| 14:46.52 | kjs | logs |
| 14:46.56 | mindbendr | than he'll move it to the other data center |
| 14:47.11 | kjs | lol |
| 14:47.20 | mindbendr | I would just take the rack, put it to the truck |
| 14:47.33 | mindbendr | drive to the datacenter and plug it in ;p |
| 14:47.57 | mindbendr | what could happen in this safe london. |
| 14:48.04 | kjs | just move them one by one, power each one off, DD each one or use norton ghost etc. stick it on the truck and move it. |
| 14:48.33 | mindbendr | kjs: the situation here is |
| 14:48.38 | mindbendr | kjs: they have got 20+ servers |
| 14:48.43 | kjs | so |
| 14:48.46 | mindbendr | kjs: root@ssh enabled |
| 14:48.50 | kjs | lol... |
| 14:48.52 | mindbendr | kjs: with the same password for all of them |
| 14:48.56 | kjs | hahahah |
| 14:49.05 | mindbendr | kjs: and mysql admin/pass in the config files world wide read |
| 14:49.15 | kjs | gsus.... |
| 14:49.24 | mindbendr | even the passwords are commented out |
| 14:49.28 | mindbendr | they put them not to forget it |
| 14:49.47 | kjs | who set that up? |
| 14:49.52 | kjs | are the boxes even updated? |
| 14:49.53 | mindbendr | these guys here |
| 14:49.56 | mindbendr | nope |
| 14:49.59 | mindbendr | fedora3,4 |
| 14:50.00 | mindbendr | haha |
| 14:50.02 | mindbendr | this is funny |
| 14:50.03 | mindbendr | hold on |
| 14:50.05 | kjs | christ |
| 14:50.07 | mindbendr | there is the lastlog files |
| 14:50.10 | mindbendr | everybody listen |
| 14:50.35 | mindbendr | lastlog file is on the servers 2 TERABYTE each! |
| 14:50.52 | mindbendr | and they couldn't figure out why |
| 14:51.04 | kjs | reminds me of my old boss, he was running redhat 7.2 or some thing never updated in 2005, he came in one morning "Yeah my /home was removed by hackers" |
| 14:51.05 | mindbendr | because there was a bug in fedora core |
| 14:51.11 | mindbendr | and |
| 14:51.12 | kjs | 2TB! |
| 14:51.27 | mindbendr | nfs packages creates a user with 4353454353453 ID |
| 14:51.31 | mindbendr | so the lastlog expands itself 2 TB |
| 14:51.43 | mindbendr | and since they didn't update the servers at all |
| 14:51.47 | mindbendr | the package has never been fixed |
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| 14:52.13 | mindbendr | and I realised this issue when I was writing the data to Tapebackup |
| 14:52.19 | mindbendr | 2 TB lastlog file, wtf .. |
| 14:52.37 | mindbendr | these guys knew it and didn't know the reason so they let it go on those fedora boxes |
| 14:52.54 | kjs | they sounds like totoal morons? |
| 14:52.56 | mindbendr | it's like a joke here. |
| 14:53.00 | mindbendr | they pay good though. |
| 14:53.45 | kjs | get them all sacked mindbendr im currently bored with my existing work, im up for a bit of contract work :) |
| 14:54.02 | mindbendr | kjs: I don't know, I have started to get bored |
| 14:54.09 | mindbendr | you may take my place ;p |
| 14:54.22 | mindbendr | I'm teaching linux for dummies here |
| 14:54.49 | mindbendr | they set up these the whole things networks they do webhosting etc to big companies (you can't even imagine) |
| 14:54.52 | mindbendr | and |
| 14:55.09 | mindbendr | yesterday I explained about the permissions |
| 14:55.44 | mindbendr | how to do chmod o-rw /xxx/phpadmin_mysql_config_file_with_admin_password_in_it |
| 14:56.04 | kjs | I find it easier to explain how man works, then revert people back to man, when they ask some thing, if they come back againafter man I explain how to use Google. |
| 14:56.19 | mindbendr | I did it in the university |
| 14:56.25 | mindbendr | they really listened me for a minute |
| 14:56.41 | mindbendr | and realised that I'm explaining how to use google or help link in the application |
| 14:56.50 | mindbendr | after a minute.. jesus. |
| 14:57.32 | kjs | they fell asleep? |
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| 15:02.11 | mindbendr | kjs: no they realised that I was explaining how to use help or google |
| 15:02.16 | mindbendr | kjs: so they lost their interest on me |
| 15:02.47 | mindbendr | kjs: which was good for me, they would keep poking me otherwise |
| 15:14.05 | kjs | :) |
| 15:30.39 | mindbendr | kjs: i found how I did break it |
| 15:31.04 | mindbendr | kjs: I did a control break while it's rolling back so double ctrl-c breaks it forever. |
| 15:39.50 | kjs | ok... |
| 15:40.04 | kjs | thats not really "normal use" is it. |
| 15:42.02 | mindbendr | well |
| 15:42.22 | mindbendr | if the kernel crashes in the moment it does recovering |
| 15:42.35 | mindbendr | it would something you would get or a power shortage |
| 15:42.38 | mindbendr | :) |
| 15:44.31 | antiphase | recommends Alt-SysRq-b |
| 15:44.46 | mindbendr | SysRq? |
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| 17:29.54 | DiscordianUK | good evening |
| 17:30.16 | boudiccas | evening DiscordianUK |
| 17:31.11 | DiscordianUK | Hiya |
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| 22:38.13 | gregj | yawn |
| 22:52.24 | gregj | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0LfUhUK678 |