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| 05:46.11 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 05:47.21 | Armand | morning morsing.. |
| 05:47.30 | morsing | 'morning |
| 05:48.17 | Armand | How are you, on this seemingly fine day? |
| 05:48.28 | morsing | Great :D |
| 05:48.36 | Armand | cool |
| 05:48.41 | morsing | You? |
| 05:48.52 | Armand | meh.. bit tired. |
| 05:48.58 | Armand | stayed up all night, again. |
| 05:49.04 | morsing | :(( |
| 05:49.17 | Leeds | why? |
| 05:49.24 | morsing | hugs Leeds |
| 05:49.48 | Armand | watching Stargate.. playing games, etc.. |
| 05:55.23 | Leeds | seems like we may have a *proper* typhoon warning tonight, rather than the current wimpy one |
| 05:56.35 | Armand | erm, what warning ? |
| 05:56.53 | Leeds | T1 right now |
| 06:01.01 | Leeds | Armand: in case you don't know - I'm a long long way away from London |
| 06:01.21 | Armand | Ahh.. |
| 06:01.26 | Armand | I forget. :P |
| 06:01.41 | Armand | HK, right? |
| 06:01.50 | Leeds | oh, and it's impossible to have a typhoon in London... Atlantic storms are called hurricanes instead |
| 06:01.53 | Leeds | yes |
| 06:02.08 | Armand | The old brain does work.. from time to time. :P |
| 06:03.39 | Armand | Well, have fun with that.. |
| 06:04.01 | Leeds | doubt it |
| 06:04.48 | Leeds | there are three significant levels of typhoon warning: T1 means "there's one somewhere around our part of the world", T3 means "it's going to rain and get windy", T8 means "it's going to hit us somewhat, get under cover now" |
| 06:05.31 | morsing | Beer |
| 06:05.36 | Leeds | there are levels above T8, but I think it's around 10 years since one was raised... T8 is the interesting one because it means work is cancelled |
| 06:05.47 | Armand | morsing: yes please. :) |
| 06:06.07 | Armand | Leeds: Deffo sounds like fun. |
| 06:07.43 | Leeds | doesn't look like this will be a T8 - so we get the wind and rain without the time off work |
| 06:08.04 | Armand | Well, whenever it rains a bit.. I get time off. |
| 06:08.18 | Armand | Although, I only work when we have a job to do. :P |
| 06:08.21 | Leeds | because you're a cricket umpire? |
| 06:08.27 | Armand | Nah, gardener. :) |
| 06:09.05 | Leeds | close enough |
| 06:09.16 | Armand | easier, I think.. |
| 06:09.28 | Armand | brb |
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| 06:13.18 | morsing | Armand! |
| 06:13.50 | Armand | :) |
| 06:14.03 | Armand | just had to check my Ops on new channel. :) |
| 06:17.59 | morsing | Leeds: What's your favourite tea? |
| 06:18.15 | Leeds | green |
| 06:20.51 | Armand | bleuch |
| 06:22.17 | morsing | Armand: Yours? |
| 06:22.21 | Leeds | or lemon |
| 06:22.50 | Armand | none.. coffee for me. |
| 06:22.56 | morsing | Armand: YES!! |
| 06:22.57 | Armand | tea gives me heartburn. >_< |
| 06:23.03 | morsing | Tea is vile |
| 06:23.17 | Armand | I can drink 1 cup, if there is nothing else. |
| 06:23.30 | Armand | with 3 sugars. :P |
| 06:31.47 | morsing | Whiskey |
| 06:32.31 | Armand | >_< |
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| 06:35.24 | morsing | Armand! |
| 07:08.26 | Leeds | the typhoon, by the way, is called Julian |
| 07:09.09 | Armand | poor thing.. |
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| 07:17.47 | morsing | ChoHag! |
| 07:18.11 | morsing | ChoHag: ?!!??!! Are you Matthew???? |
| 07:22.50 | ChoHag | Yes, I am. |
| 07:23.07 | ChoHag | Hence 'Matthew King' in whois. |
| 07:23.08 | morsing | God... I never realised! Hey, how are you? |
| 07:23.21 | morsing | I just noticed mking in your address |
| 07:23.31 | ChoHag | Well I'm awake. |
| 07:23.40 | morsing | How was your wedding? |
| 07:24.05 | Leeds | not m khan? |
| 07:24.18 | morsing | bites Leeds |
| 07:27.05 | ChoHag | Good. |
| 07:27.08 | ChoHag | Bewildering. |
| 07:27.35 | morsing | In what way? |
| 07:29.47 | ChoHag | Well I've never got married before. |
| 07:29.47 | ChoHag | It was ... odd. |
| 07:33.30 | morsing | Do you plan on doing it often? |
| 07:34.45 | ChoHag | Never again. |
| 07:34.55 | morsing | :) |
| 07:35.12 | Armand | Not enough room under the patio? :P |
| 07:35.19 | morsing | ?? |
| 07:35.21 | ChoHag | No patio. |
| 07:35.24 | ChoHag | Got a river though. |
| 07:35.28 | Armand | Sweet.. |
| 07:35.32 | morsing | ??? |
| 07:35.32 | Armand | floater, ftw |
| 07:35.46 | morsing | Have I missed something here? |
| 07:35.52 | Armand | hands morsing a sense of humour.. |
| 07:35.55 | Armand | ^_^ |
| 07:36.10 | morsing | I don't get it... |
| 07:36.20 | Armand | lol |
| 07:36.41 | Armand | Well, if a bloke kills his missus, he's supposed to bury her under the patio. |
| 07:36.52 | Armand | Ahhh.. nuts. |
| 07:37.01 | Armand | FTP client crashed. >_< |
| 07:43.56 | morsing | Beer |
| 07:44.18 | Armand | damnit.. gimme the beer or gtfo! |
| 07:44.20 | Armand | :P |
| 07:51.17 | j0nr | good moaning |
| 07:59.45 | Leeds | paycheque cleared - I'm liquid :-) |
| 08:01.06 | bilarh | if you're anything like me, it will last for about 2 hours until you pay your bills :S |
| 08:02.10 | Leeds | nope... it was a half-decent paycheque, and one of the benefits of cash-flow problems is that once you get through them, you're normally in good shape |
| 08:03.50 | bilarh | cool :) |
| 08:04.02 | bilarh | and, you usually watch your pennies for a while afterwards too |
| 08:04.09 | Leeds | as opposed to actual cash problems |
| 08:04.37 | Leeds | I know I've got at least two more similarly-sized cheques coming from this current work - could be more - unless something goes wrong |
| 08:05.20 | bilarh | anyone want to buy a 19" dell lcd screen? |
| 08:06.13 | Leeds | I've got two viewsonics - one at the office, one at home |
| 08:06.31 | bilarh | viewsonics are usually ok |
| 08:06.44 | bilarh | i want a 30" apple cinema display at home |
| 08:06.49 | hali | morning ladies |
| 08:06.50 | bilarh | they're fantastic imo |
| 08:06.59 | bilarh | hali: in the market for a screen? :D |
| 08:07.03 | bilarh | good price for you, my friend |
| 08:07.14 | hali | did you nick another screen at work? |
| 08:07.21 | bilarh | no this is the one i nicked ages ago |
| 08:07.28 | hali | ah |
| 08:07.29 | hali | no thanks |
| 08:07.30 | bilarh | i'm clearing out my room |
| 08:07.40 | bilarh | actually, i bought it fair and square |
| 08:07.46 | bilarh | paid 120 quid i did |
| 08:07.47 | morsing | Beer |
| 08:08.10 | bilarh | come on my friend!! good screen, no? |
| 08:08.31 | hali | i trade, four camels |
| 08:08.42 | bilarh | FOUR CAMELS, YOU MUST be JOKING! |
| 08:08.51 | hali | big humps |
| 08:08.53 | Armand | Shame I already got a 17" LCD for nothing. :P |
| 08:08.55 | hali | good camels |
| 08:08.58 | morsing | humps bilarh |
| 08:09.00 | bilarh | come on, straight swap for your daughter |
| 08:09.20 | hali | you are killing me, everyone knows daughter is worth at least 2 screens |
| 08:09.21 | bilarh | thumps morsing |
| 08:09.23 | Armand | fk that, I'll swap you a dishwasher for the daughter! |
| 08:09.37 | Armand | dishwasher = my mum. :D |
| 08:09.39 | bilarh | armand: if she was brought up correctly, she'd do the dishes anyway |
| 08:10.37 | bilarh | hali: how about *two* screens, a packet of chewing gum, an old amd 64 bit processor and a 4mb 72-pin dim? |
| 08:10.40 | bilarh | m |
| 08:11.57 | bilarh | i'm trying to get rid of my old htpc as well |
| 08:12.13 | bilarh | its' got a proper htpc case with a vfd display |
| 08:12.19 | bilarh | comes with a dvd player |
| 08:12.43 | bilarh | gigabyte motherboard, 1gb ram, amd 64 3200+ processor, ati radeon x8000gt (or something like that) |
| 08:13.11 | Armand | not bad, shame about the ATI card. |
| 08:13.27 | bilarh | you could always change it |
| 08:13.31 | bilarh | it hasn't got a psu at the moment |
| 08:13.53 | Armand | I've got to save up anyways. >_< |
| 08:14.03 | bilarh | good price for you, my friend |
| 08:14.08 | hali | hm, that setup sounds familiar :) |
| 08:14.13 | bilarh | hali: :D |
| 08:14.14 | Armand | driving license, and a SAS controller. |
| 08:14.31 | bilarh | hali: do you remember what that psu cost? |
| 08:14.37 | Armand | needs a job.. |
| 08:14.39 | bilarh | hali: it was like 60 quid or something, wasn't it? |
| 08:14.40 | hali | bilarh: 50 quid or so i think, pc world rape |
| 08:14.45 | hali | possibly over 50 |
| 08:14.53 | bilarh | it's quite a nice psu actually |
| 08:14.59 | bilarh | i can't remember what the hell it was called now, though |
| 08:15.05 | hali | im tempted to sell my htpc as well, i want a smaller and quieter |
| 08:15.17 | bilarh | wintv nova-500 going as well, dual tuner |
| 08:15.21 | bilarh | digital tv |
| 08:15.28 | hali | that small'ish shuttle with the low end intel proc would do nice |
| 08:15.32 | hali | is that a pci card? |
| 08:15.38 | bilarh | yeah |
| 08:15.44 | hali | i may be tempted to buy that actually |
| 08:16.00 | bilarh | i need to find the remote for it first |
| 08:16.09 | bilarh | i had it just the other week, but i've misplaced it somewhere in the house |
| 08:16.12 | bilarh | great timing :) |
| 08:16.23 | Leeds | I bought a 640GB drive for just over 40 quid at the weekend... it's ridiculous |
| 08:16.46 | bilarh | damn, that is 10000 times bigger than my first hard drive i bought and 1/3 of the cost :D |
| 08:16.55 | bilarh | mind, that was 15 years ago :) |
| 08:16.57 | Leeds | my first was 10MB |
| 08:17.12 | bilarh | mine was 64mb :) |
| 08:17.15 | bilarh | it was huuuuge |
| 08:17.20 | bilarh | i never managed to fill it up in two years :D |
| 08:17.22 | Leeds | with doublespace |
| 08:17.29 | bilarh | mine was amiga |
| 08:17.34 | bilarh | ah, doublespace was the shit, though |
| 08:17.43 | Armand | lol |
| 08:17.59 | Armand | I remember that crap.. pissing about with 540MB HDs. :P |
| 08:18.07 | Leeds | actually, it's possible it was 5MB->10MB compressed |
| 08:20.31 | hali | doublespace was much later than small drives |
| 08:20.37 | hali | stacker possibly :) |
| 08:20.55 | hali | when i tried doublespace hdd's where in 500meg range |
| 08:20.57 | morsing | Beer |
| 08:21.13 | Leeds | hali: this was 1994 - it was a very old second-hand PC |
| 08:21.34 | Leeds | in 1995 I got a new PC with an 850MB drive |
| 08:21.57 | morsing | Armand: I remember using computers before it was common to have harddrives at all ;) |
| 08:22.27 | Leeds | morsing: do they have hard drives in Denmark yet? |
| 08:22.35 | morsing | No |
| 08:23.14 | hali | and these days kids run around with 64Gb USB sticks |
| 08:23.47 | Leeds | you can get an 8GB memory card the size of a little-finger-nail for not very much |
| 08:26.59 | Armand | morsing: You're OLD! |
| 08:27.10 | Armand | runs! |
| 08:27.12 | hali | i'd guess most people here started with hdd-less computers |
| 08:27.14 | morsing | Armand: I know :((( |
| 08:27.22 | hali | c64, vic20, spectrum's, bbc whatitsname |
| 08:27.35 | hali | a vaxen or two |
| 08:27.46 | morsing | hali: I'm talking proper computers, not gaming computers |
| 08:27.53 | morsing | RegneCentralen |
| 08:28.01 | morsing | Piccoline, etc |
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| 08:28.17 | hali | we had abc80 |
| 08:29.09 | hali | but i doubt any of them are known in the uk |
| 08:29.25 | morsing | I know |
| 08:35.59 | mikejw | lo |
| 08:36.07 | mikejw | morsing: that video rules by the way :) |
| 08:36.14 | morsing | mikejw: So you knew it!? |
| 08:36.47 | morsing | pokes mikejw in the eye |
| 08:37.24 | mikejw | no no |
| 08:37.24 | mikejw | I mean yes I knew it |
| 08:37.25 | morsing | right... How odd |
| 08:37.25 | morsing | Oh, you did |
| 08:37.55 | mikejw | I mean I knew the song very well and the video very distantly :) |
| 08:37.59 | morsing | Leeds: Have you ever seen this before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG96ahzzup8&feature=related |
| 08:38.03 | morsing | Ok |
| 08:38.32 | morsing | mikejw: It's just difficult to explain to people |
| 08:38.42 | morsing | Exactly what it is you're trying to find |
| 08:38.57 | mikejw | for sure |
| 08:39.12 | mikejw | especially when it's something so surreal and awesome :] |
| 08:39.15 | morsing | :)) |
| 08:39.27 | Discordian | ponders applying for a job with Ph0rm |
| 08:46.14 | mindbendr | morning |
| 08:46.26 | morsing | mindbendr! |
| 08:46.31 | Discordian | Morning |
| 08:49.42 | phearless | good morning ! |
| 08:50.15 | Discordian | is it? |
| 08:50.31 | Discordian | I think the jury is out on that still |
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| 09:10.26 | morsing | cup! |
| 09:11.00 | cup | morning |
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| 09:11.55 | morsing | Blapto! |
| 09:12.02 | Blapto | beer! |
| 09:18.27 | morsing | Blapto: Why did cup leave? |
| 09:18.34 | Blapto | He was angry |
| 09:18.43 | Blapto | Probably with his mother and his penis |
| 09:19.03 | morsing | Nice |
| 09:19.04 | antiphase | His mother's got a penis? |
| 09:20.22 | morsing | antiphase: Well, mine does, don't they all?# |
| 09:23.16 | Blapto | Could someone help me out with: |
| 09:23.17 | Blapto | http://pastebin.com/d71d4f792 |
| 09:23.40 | Leeds | Blapto: at first glance, I'd say... |
| 09:23.47 | Leeds | it's a link to an item in a pastebin |
| 09:23.49 | Leeds | HTH |
| 09:24.27 | morsing | Leeds: You're holding hands?! |
| 09:24.46 | Discordian | Looks like bad ASCII art |
| 09:25.18 | morsing | Leeds: Why don't you answer me when I speak to you? |
| 09:25.29 | morsing | 09:37 < morsing> Leeds: Have you ever seen this before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG96ahzzup8&feature=related |
| 09:26.53 | morsing | Leeds: Twat |
| 09:37.41 | Leeds | is falling asleep |
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| 09:39.01 | morsing | cup! |
| 09:48.06 | mindbendr | ./kill morsing |
| 09:50.56 | Blapto | mindbendr: # pwd |
| 09:51.38 | mindbendr | what's that mean |
| 09:52.03 | Blapto | Type it into a shell. Perfectly safe, prints working directory. |
| 09:52.09 | mindbendr | i know |
| 09:52.29 | Blapto | Well, it's just you said ./kill, which implies you're in /bin |
| 09:52.41 | Blapto | But I wanted to make sure you hadn't compiled some ninja kill |
| 09:53.07 | mindbendr | how do i do that without a dot in irssi |
| 09:53.17 | Blapto | /// |
| 09:53.22 | mindbendr | ///test |
| 09:53.25 | mindbendr | hehehe |
| 09:53.26 | Blapto | Or perhaps // |
| 09:53.30 | mindbendr | nope |
| 09:53.36 | Blapto | I think / escapes the next / |
| 09:53.41 | mindbendr | it doesn't |
| 09:53.46 | wethrin | / / |
| 09:53.46 | Blapto | Try with just 2? |
| 09:53.51 | mindbendr | did |
| 09:53.53 | mindbendr | it didn't :) |
| 09:53.54 | Blapto | Ah, there we go |
| 09:54.01 | morsing | mikejw: Just add a space first |
| 09:54.03 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.09 | morsing | mindbendr: Sorry |
| 09:54.17 | mindbendr | morsing: why don't you just disable it |
| 09:54.18 | wethrin | /kill |
| 09:54.24 | wethrin | See! No space! |
| 09:54.25 | mindbendr | wethrin ruled |
| 09:54.28 | morsing | mindbendr: I don't own freenode |
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| 09:54.38 | mindbendr | morsing: huh? |
| 09:54.59 | mindbendr | morsing: what's the deal with freenode and by your greeting trigger |
| 09:55.23 | morsing | mindbendr: Nothing, you asked me to disable the / in your client |
| 09:55.34 | wethrin | that has nothing to do with Freenode, though |
| 09:55.37 | mindbendr | morsing: lol |
| 09:55.50 | mindbendr | actually |
| 09:55.53 | mindbendr | it was something like this |
| 09:55.53 | Blapto | is thoroughly confused |
| 09:55.55 | mindbendr | 10:38 -!- cup [n=cup@netvoya-adsl.demon.co.uk] has joined #gllug |
| 09:55.55 | mindbendr | 10:39 < morsing> cup! |
| 09:55.56 | mindbendr | 10:48 < mindbendr> ./kill morsing |
| 09:55.56 | mindbendr | 10:50 < Blapto> mindbendr: # pwd |
| 09:58.29 | mindbendr | morsing: it was about your channel greeting trigger :) |
| 09:58.39 | morsing | Right |
| 09:59.00 | cup | I find it very welcoming |
| 09:59.15 | mindbendr | irc gods blessed cup |
| 09:59.25 | morsing | mindbendr: Most people do actually |
| 09:59.34 | morsing | Only twats and weenies find it annoying |
| 09:59.45 | mindbendr | morsing: it's not 1998 |
| 10:00.08 | mindbendr | would you like some bitchx greeting and away messages etc |
| 10:00.11 | DiscordianUK | i hate irc bots |
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| 10:00.27 | morsing | DiscordianUK: 10:59 < morsing> Only twats and weenies find it annoying |
| 10:00.31 | morsing | cup! |
| 10:00.39 | Leeds | DiscordianUK: scarily, morsing isn't a bot |
| 10:00.43 | wethrin | bots have their uses |
| 10:00.50 | DiscordianUK | Yes that is scary |
| 10:00.53 | Leeds | ibot do you have any uses? |
| 10:00.54 | ibot | yes, I have any uses. |
| 10:00.57 | morsing | wethrin: Indeed, like greetings |
| 10:01.31 | DiscordianUK | i'm neither a twat or a newbie |
| 10:02.06 | mindbendr | ./load bitchx && /flood morsing |
| 10:02.11 | bilarh | morsing: hrm.. i wouldn't say a "bot greeting" is exactly useful |
| 10:02.31 | bilarh | hardly personal, is it? |
| 10:02.34 | morsing | bilarh: It makes people return to the channel |
| 10:02.45 | DiscordianUK | It doesn't |
| 10:02.47 | morsing | *most* people |
| 10:02.48 | mindbendr | no way. |
| 10:02.49 | bilarh | no it doesn't |
| 10:02.55 | morsing | DiscordianUK: Not twats and weenies fortunately |
| 10:03.02 | wethrin | No, it doesn't make people return |
| 10:03.14 | mindbendr | it's not sainsburys, is it |
| 10:03.22 | mindbendr | how come that would help for someone to get back to the channel |
| 10:03.32 | bilarh | and even if it was sainsbury's, they don't have a computer automatically greeting you |
| 10:03.42 | wethrin | People return if they find the conversations interesting, or relevant, or something |
| 10:03.46 | bilarh | because that's really impersonal and frankly, a bit insulting |
| 10:04.02 | bilarh | a bit like me :D |
| 10:04.14 | mindbendr | a morning conversation couldn't be more proactive than today |
| 10:04.17 | wethrin | And I go to Sainsbury's because it's the closest one to my house. Not because of the quality of any greeting (they have none) |
| 10:04.24 | wethrin | insults bilarh |
| 10:04.30 | wethrin | ibot insult bilarh |
| 10:04.46 | bilarh | see, that was an impersonal insult, it doesn't work on me |
| 10:05.03 | bilarh | now, if you had typed "bilarh is a cock faced twat" yourself, that would have been insulting |
| 10:05.09 | bilarh | note: copy and paste does not count :P |
| 10:05.14 | wethrin | even if it's true? :) |
| 10:05.20 | bilarh | hehe |
| 10:06.07 | morsing | \o/ |
| 10:06.19 | mikejw | morsing: put a space where? |
| 10:06.27 | morsing | mikejw: In front of the \ |
| 10:06.36 | bilarh | what (still) gets my goat, is that southeastern trains have an automated system that tells you if the train is going to be late, and then the (automatic) woman says "*I* am sorry for any inconvenience caused"... htf can a bloody computer be "sorry" for christs sake |
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| 10:07.17 | morsing | rhowe_! |
| 10:07.19 | mindbendr | they say `we are sorry` for southwest trains |
| 10:07.22 | mindbendr | it makes sense |
| 10:07.26 | mikejw | which \? |
| 10:07.30 | wethrin | Most people are sorry for Southwest trains |
| 10:07.36 | morsing | mikejw: ?! |
| 10:07.38 | bilarh | mindbendr: yeah that makes sense, but not "I am sorry" |
| 10:07.48 | mindbendr | wethrin, you should see great western trains |
| 10:07.52 | mikejw | ?!? |
| 10:08.09 | mikejw | nevermind |
| 10:08.11 | mindbendr | sw trains feels like a king of the train companies comparing to that one |
| 10:08.35 | mindbendr | i wonder how virgin does |
| 10:08.42 | bilarh | virgins? where? |
| 10:08.44 | wethrin | mindbendr: I don't see them, because they don't turn up reliably |
| 10:08.47 | bilarh | scouts |
| 10:08.56 | wethrin | Well, also that I'm the wrong end of the country for them |
| 10:09.28 | mindbendr | whenever it rains something always goes wrong with the trains and it doesn't make sense |
| 10:09.46 | mindbendr | and considering that it rains a lot |
| 10:10.00 | mindbendr | it goes always wrong |
| 10:10.10 | Leeds | we're going to get hit (minorly) by a typhoon tonight... it won't affect public transport at all |
| 10:10.17 | wethrin | If it's sunny, the trains go wrong too |
| 10:10.28 | wethrin | In fact, if a day ends in a 'y', the trains go wrong |
| 10:10.34 | DiscordianUK | heh |
| 10:10.36 | mindbendr | heheh |
| 10:10.51 | DiscordianUK | I used to work in the rail industry, so true |
| 10:11.11 | mindbendr | anybody has got about `write barries, LVM and xfs` |
| 10:11.14 | mindbendr | *an idea |
| 10:11.24 | Leeds | barriers? |
| 10:11.33 | mindbendr | `Barriers and journaling filesystems` |
| 10:11.42 | Leeds | no, no idea |
| 10:11.50 | Leeds | agk might :-) |
| 10:11.59 | DiscordianUK | I've heard the term mentioned |
| 10:12.05 | DiscordianUK | but i've no idea |
| 10:12.23 | mindbendr | it's something important, http://lwn.net/Articles/283161/ |
| 10:12.27 | mindbendr | you might wanna have a look |
| 10:12.45 | mindbendr | if you are using write caching disabled and may be LVM on top of it |
| 10:12.47 | mindbendr | with journaling fs |
| 10:13.19 | Leeds | I've got an almost 2GB LVM ext3 fs at home... |
| 10:13.25 | Leeds | make that 2TB :-D |
| 10:13.42 | mindbendr | yeah so you are kinda lack of journaling support |
| 10:13.52 | mindbendr | if it crashes, say bye bye to your data |
| 10:14.00 | wethrin | That's why you have backups |
| 10:14.11 | wethrin | If you don't, your data obviously isn't worth all that much |
| 10:14.23 | mindbendr | yeah but i really don't wanna restore 2 TB data |
| 10:14.32 | mindbendr | i've got 9 TB here and it's going to be doubled in a few months |
| 10:14.46 | mindbendr | so i'm really concerned about this issue |
| 10:14.59 | Leeds | backwhats? |
| 10:15.00 | mindbendr | in case of a fs check of 9 TB doesn't do any good |
| 10:15.38 | Leeds | one of the drives in the 'array' is currently sitting on the sofa next to my server, on a USB->SATA adapter... should really take the machine down and put it in |
| 10:16.01 | mindbendr | lol |
| 10:16.17 | wethrin | No-one wants to restore data. There are various ways of reducing the risk |
| 10:16.22 | DiscordianUK | i remember when fscking 2gb took an hour |
| 10:16.47 | mindbendr | yeah TBs would take weeks |
| 10:17.21 | DiscordianUK | perhaps that's a bit exaggerated |
| 10:18.06 | Leeds | took a couple of hours to do 2TB at the weekend |
| 10:18.23 | DiscordianUK | sounds about right |
| 10:18.30 | mindbendr | Leeds: but if it needs to be recovered from a crash, would take more |
| 10:18.45 | Leeds | sure |
| 10:18.45 | DiscordianUK | i've not lost data to ext3 in this century |
| 10:18.55 | Leeds | DiscordianUK: to ext3 or to failed drives? |
| 10:19.25 | mindbendr | Leeds: why did you fsck anyway? |
| 10:19.45 | mindbendr | it's not needed for ext3 afaik? |
| 10:19.57 | DiscordianUK | to ext3 problems |
| 10:20.13 | DiscordianUK | I've lost data to failed drives |
| 10:20.23 | DiscordianUK | But that's a given |
| 10:21.21 | Leeds | mindbendr: I was doing fs shrinking and growing, and it demands a full fsck before it'll run |
| 10:21.36 | DiscordianUK | Bloody IBM deathstars |
| 10:22.09 | Leeds | this LVM filesystem has been going for at least 5 years now, obviously has none of the original drives in it... it's amazing what you can pull off with it, but it takes forever to add and remove drives |
| 10:22.24 | DiscordianUK | heh |
| 10:23.08 | Leeds | on Sunday, I bought a new hard drive |
| 10:23.47 | Leeds | I added that drive to the 'array', removed the smallest existing drive, then moved all the contents of another drive which, for historical reasons wasn't part of the array, into the array and then added the drive |
| 10:26.50 | Leeds | this is all without taking down the machine... I had to unmount the various hard drives, but the machine stayed up |
| 10:27.02 | wethrin | So, LVM is FTW? |
| 10:27.04 | DiscordianUK | heh |
| 10:27.10 | Leeds | very much so... |
| 10:27.14 | Leeds | wethrin: also, agk FTW |
| 10:27.54 | DiscordianUK | is planning to play with zfs later for similar reasons |
| 10:28.11 | Leeds | yeah, I guess zfs does similar things |
| 10:28.43 | DiscordianUK | Shame it's userspace on linux |
| 10:28.55 | wethrin | Play with it on FreeBSD, then. Or Opensolaris :) |
| 10:29.20 | DiscordianUK | OpenSolaris yep |
| 10:30.01 | Leeds | shame Sun chose to keep it from the Linux kernel |
| 10:30.23 | DiscordianUK | Indeed |
| 10:30.55 | antiphase | It's just a file system, not a cure for world hunger |
| 10:31.25 | DiscordianUK | Well yes |
| 10:31.26 | morsing | Beer |
| 10:31.41 | DiscordianUK | I like openSolaris anyway |
| 10:31.59 | mindbendr | xfs is nice |
| 10:32.02 | Leeds | bah, Solaris sucks |
| 10:32.15 | mindbendr | it doesn't have lvm kinda thing on linux though |
| 10:32.21 | mindbendr | you can grow the fs |
| 10:32.23 | mindbendr | online |
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| 10:32.35 | morsing | WIZ! |
| 10:32.38 | Leeds | DiscordianUK: you know the kind of fuckwits they have working on it |
| 10:32.39 | bilarh | mindbendr: we had to do an fsck on one of our ext3 filesystems the other weekend |
| 10:32.51 | bilarh | mindbendr: took about 12 hours |
| 10:32.55 | mindbendr | bilarh: how big |
| 10:33.02 | antiphase | How did you make an ext3 file system that large? |
| 10:33.21 | bilarh | sorry, it's 5.3T |
| 10:33.23 | DiscordianUK | 12 hours jeez |
| 10:33.36 | mindbendr | antiphase: 64bit supports |
| 10:33.46 | bilarh | antiphase: new fstools package supports larger than 4tb |
| 10:33.49 | antiphase | You must have some really shite hardware, or not many disks |
| 10:34.01 | bilarh | it's raid-5 |
| 10:34.11 | antiphase | ext3 only supports 2^31-1 inodes though, so you end up using lots of blocks per inode |
| 10:34.19 | antiphase | Past 2TB or so |
| 10:34.47 | antiphase | Since Linux is shit and has a fixed 4kB block size |
| 10:34.54 | antiphase | Or limit at least |
| 10:35.24 | bilarh | in hindsight, we should have gone with something like vxfs |
| 10:35.24 | wethrin | Leeds: 'chose' to keep it from the Linux kernel? Only in that they didn't GPL it.... |
| 10:35.27 | antiphase | RAID-5 and ext3 must be the worst combination for write speed in living history |
| 10:35.37 | Leeds | wethrin: and that was a conscious choice |
| 10:35.49 | mindbendr | what's vxfs |
| 10:35.59 | Leeds | veritas |
| 10:36.01 | bilarh | the veritas file system |
| 10:36.04 | wethrin | indeed |
| 10:36.12 | Leeds | also got fuckwits working there |
| 10:36.27 | mindbendr | hmm i've read the docs of it, what are the main advantages? it looked similar to lvm for me |
| 10:36.30 | bilarh | we use it on solaris for similarily sized filesystems and it works ok |
| 10:36.31 | wethrin | All software development places have fuckwits |
| 10:36.46 | bilarh | mindbendr: mainly it doesn't break and require fsck as often :P |
| 10:36.47 | Blapto | Everywhere has fuckwits |
| 10:36.55 | mindbendr | is there anything using write caching disabled? |
| 10:36.55 | Leeds | wethrin: I'm refering specifically to places which which did (or tried to) employ me :-) |
| 10:37.00 | DiscordianUK | I seem to recall vxfs is free for small numbers of filesystems |
| 10:37.00 | mindbendr | anything=anyone |
| 10:37.05 | wethrin | Yes. Look at the sort of people they employ as sysadmins in, say, Ticketmaster |
| 10:37.35 | antiphase | No-one should use write-caching (except write-through) unless they have battery-backed cache |
| 10:37.50 | mindbendr | antiphase: barries are for that use |
| 10:38.04 | antiphase | What, like chavs? |
| 10:38.06 | mindbendr | it doesn't sound practical to me |
| 10:38.17 | mindbendr | of disabling it |
| 10:38.50 | cpufreak | you want write ahead caching. |
| 10:39.15 | mindbendr | antiphase: http://lwn.net/Articles/283161/ |
| 10:39.31 | mindbendr | but if you got LVM, there's no point |
| 10:39.52 | antiphase | I think you've got your wires crossed |
| 10:40.23 | mindbendr | why's that |
| 10:40.42 | antiphase | Journalling is useful but it's not a magic fix for file system corruption, and has little to do with write caching |
| 10:41.14 | mindbendr | antiphase: if you could explain further |
| 10:41.21 | mindbendr | that'd be helpful |
| 10:41.45 | antiphase | What about? |
| 10:42.02 | mindbendr | from what i've read, it looks like it's got important things to do with journaling |
| 10:42.17 | antiphase | And besides, if you're considering write caching to improve write performace, you shouldn't be using ext3, because its write performance is poor compared to XFS |
| 10:42.18 | mindbendr | but i still looking for more info |
| 10:42.33 | mindbendr | antiphase: i'm using XFS but with LVM |
| 10:42.45 | mindbendr | however |
| 10:42.47 | antiphase | LVM is irrelevant |
| 10:42.50 | mindbendr | it disabled barriers |
| 10:42.59 | mindbendr | *it disables |
| 10:43.03 | mindbendr | because of LVM |
| 10:43.04 | antiphase | I'd only heard of barriers about 5 minutes ago |
| 10:43.08 | mindbendr | hmm |
| 10:43.40 | mindbendr | and it's writing cachine enabled on the servers, so I'm thinking about to speak to the IT director here |
| 10:43.41 | DiscordianUK | I read the LWN article when it was first published |
| 10:43.59 | DiscordianUK | But I'm not sure about barriers at all |
| 10:44.00 | mindbendr | trying to gather more inforfmation |
| 10:44.16 | mindbendr | if i could write today. |
| 10:51.41 | mindbendr | has anybody seen this kinda error? |
| 10:51.42 | mindbendr | kernel: mptscsih: ioc0: attempting task abort! |
| 10:51.43 | mindbendr | (sc=ffff81000f94f700) |
| 10:51.50 | mindbendr | related to scsi |
| 10:53.22 | phearless | <wethrin> Yes. Look at the sort of people they employ as sysadmins in, say, Ticketmaster > what do you mean ? |
| 10:53.37 | phearless | I had an offer from Ticketmaster but they are a bit too far from my flat.. |
| 10:53.52 | Blapto | I work at ticketmaster. |
| 11:06.38 | Leeds | time to go chase a typhoon |
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| 12:19.31 | bilarh | jesus wept: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041098/Families-break-bin-rules-overfill-110-fine--drunken-yob-receive.html |
| 12:19.42 | bilarh | so, overfill your bin, get a 110 pound fine |
| 12:19.50 | bilarh | get drunk and brawl in the street, get an 80 pound fine |
| 12:20.12 | bilarh | steal from a shop, get an 80 pound fine |
| 12:20.20 | bilarh | *what the fuck is going on*? |
| 12:20.31 | bilarh | are labour seriously out to completely fucking ruin the country, or what? |
| 12:23.16 | antiphase | They did last time they were in power |
| 12:23.34 | bilarh | s/country/country again/ |
| 12:23.43 | antiphase | I don't think they'll survive another general election with Boring Gordon at the helm |
| 12:23.46 | morsing | Beer |
| 12:23.58 | bilarh | we live in hope |
| 12:28.14 | wethrin | antiphase: s/with Borin.*$// |
| 12:33.05 | antiphase | Heh |
| 12:38.07 | wethrin | Um. "fines...for those who overfill their bins, leave them out too early..." WTF? |
| 12:38.28 | bilarh | exactly, fucking arseholes |
| 12:38.32 | bilarh | i can't believe it |
| 12:38.59 | wethrin | That's just bollocks. What do they define as 'too early'? |
| 12:39.05 | antiphase | It does remind me of the binmen strike, ooh, last time Labour were in Government |
| 12:39.16 | wethrin | 3 days, sure.... (but what if you were on holiday?) |
| 12:39.38 | wethrin | but, yaknow, if you put the bin out before it gets dark in the evening....is that too early? |
| 12:40.14 | wethrin | Durham seemed okay - I had an overfull wheelie bin once, and they took it without issue |
| 12:40.41 | antiphase | It's great here in the Netherlands. No wheelie bins, and 2 collections a week |
| 12:40.56 | wethrin | I get a bin collection a week, and recycling every fortnight |
| 12:41.34 | AndyMillar | i live in an ex-council flat |
| 12:41.43 | AndyMillar | i have a chute for rubbish outside my front door :) |
| 12:42.03 | wethrin | Do you know where the rubbish goes from there, or do you just put your rubbish down there? |
| 12:43.35 | AndyMillar | it goes to some HUGE bins at the bottom |
| 12:48.06 | wethrin | Are they emptied regularly? |
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| 13:26.38 | morsing | Armand! |
| 13:28.09 | Armand | morsing. :) |
| 13:36.50 | bilarh | wtf, blackfriars station closed from march 2009 to late 2011 |
| 13:36.53 | bilarh | for refurbishment |
| 13:36.55 | bilarh | are they fucking mad |
| 13:37.01 | morsing | Beer |
| 13:37.01 | bilarh | 2 years for a lick of paint |
| 13:37.08 | bilarh | morsing: do you ever say anything else? |
| 13:37.13 | Armand | Glad I don't use the trains.. |
| 13:37.44 | wethrin | bilarh: Completely closed? |
| 13:37.50 | bilarh | that's what it says |
| 13:37.56 | wethrin | Ew |
| 13:37.58 | bilarh | oh sorry, the underground station only, i mean |
| 13:38.00 | wethrin | Ah |
| 13:38.17 | wethrin | This'll make it irritating to get to the Founders Arms, though |
| 13:38.29 | Blapto | is planning on getting out of London for the 3 years before 2012. |
| 13:38.42 | bilarh | i want to change countries |
| 13:38.45 | wethrin | Eh. They're only rebuilding a corner of London that no-one cares about |
| 13:38.50 | Blapto | wethrin: St Pauls station or Mansion House station aren't too far away |
| 13:39.05 | wethrin | I suppose it's a shortish cab ride |
| 13:39.06 | bilarh | it's annoying if your train goes to blackfriars though |
| 13:39.13 | Blapto | And you mean that you don't care about |
| 13:39.23 | bilarh | blapto: mansion house is about 15 minutes walk, at least |
| 13:39.31 | wethrin | Take a cab |
| 13:39.35 | Blapto | No, not even 15 minutes |
| 13:39.43 | Blapto | don't get a cab from Mansion House, wrong side of the river |
| 13:39.45 | wethrin | Given the prices of beer and food, the cab's only going to be a small %age |
| 13:39.50 | Blapto | Better off getting a cab from Waterloo |
| 13:39.58 | Blapto | Or walking from waterloo... |
| 13:46.38 | AndyMillar | it's probably a 5 min walk :P |
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| 13:55.12 | bilarh | www.last.fm for the win... like the old pandora site :) |
| 13:55.43 | bilarh | and it seems to chose next track sensibly, i.e. staying within a similar genre |
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| 14:03.02 | z00dax | check it! |
| 14:03.20 | wethrin | Hey z00dax |
| 14:03.25 | z00dax | hey wethrin |
| 14:03.30 | wethrin | how do? |
| 14:03.35 | z00dax | awrite |
| 14:03.45 | z00dax | how about you ? |
| 14:05.52 | wethrin | Nae bad. Doing graphs. Which isn't fun. |
| 14:06.02 | z00dax | humm |
| 14:06.13 | z00dax | PFY off on summer break ? |
| 14:06.22 | wethrin | No. I am the PFY for this thing |
| 14:06.33 | z00dax | ah |
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| 14:09.19 | Armand | DiscordianUK: STOP BREAKING THE INTERNETS! |
| 14:11.14 | mindbendr | bilarh: the new gui is not user friendly though |
| 14:16.01 | bilarh | i don't know, but it's great :) |
| 14:17.07 | mindbendr | bilarh: have you just discovered it :) |
| 14:17.12 | bilarh | yeah :D |
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| 16:10.09 | phearless | <Blapto> I work at ticketmaster. > cool. as a sysadmin ? |
| 16:10.10 | wethrin | He does. |
| 16:10.11 | wethrin | they'll hire just about anyone these days |
| 16:10.11 | phearless | why ? |
| 16:10.11 | Blapto | I think Dan's tying to extract the urine |
| 16:10.11 | wethrin | n/m |
| 16:10.11 | wethrin | Argh! A blapto! |
| 16:10.11 | Blapto | And yes, a sysadmin |
| 16:10.12 | mindbendr | Blapto: is it fun out there |
| 16:11.22 | phearless | Blapto: it's a bit strange, the recruitement agency for TM told me that they wanted me to do some kind of team-leading for some IT projects |
| 16:11.22 | mindbendr | the manager here is killing me, i show him the kernel bug that causing scsi errors, he keeps saying that `whatif we hit the scsi cable when we were working there` |
| 16:11.22 | phearless | Blapto: but I've got just 2-3 years of expe, and i'm 24yo. I was a bit surprised .. |
| 16:12.03 | mindbendr | phearless: are you going to be his boss? hehe |
| 16:12.36 | hali_ | is the internet broken? |
| 16:12.36 | mindbendr | hali_: it's solid as a rock here |
| 16:12.36 | hali_ | i've got bgp dips and packet loss to several isps |
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| 16:12.58 | hali | probably our colt peering thats fucked up |
| 16:14.17 | Blapto | mindbendr: It is fun, and I don't think you'd do that phearless, depending on which team you went into. Certainly not as a sysadmin, other than the normal "you're in charge of this, ask others for help if you want to." |
| 16:14.52 | Blapto | You're more likely to do that as Application Support, and I know they were hiring a while ago. |
| 16:15.06 | Blapto | And I think we're hiring sysadmins now, similar to my job but in another team |
| 16:16.55 | phearless | it was for a linux sysadmin job, from what i remember |
| 16:16.55 | jpds | hali: Appartently someone tripped over the power cable on a freenode server. |
| 16:18.07 | mindbendr | last.fm was hiring |
| 16:18.13 | mindbendr | probably they still are |
| 16:18.36 | mindbendr | bilarh: if you are interested :p |
| 16:19.55 | hali | i'd expect the pay at last.fm to be fairly shit |
| 16:20.21 | hali | as they probably think it's a "cool" job and people should be happy to work there anyway |
| 16:20.47 | mindbendr | lol i don't think so |
| 16:20.57 | mindbendr | considering that their server had big issues for the last week |
| 16:21.09 | mindbendr | at least they should have started to pay l33t |
| 16:21.47 | wethrin | 13,370/yr ? |
| 16:21.52 | mindbendr | lol |
| 16:21.52 | wethrin | Or 31,337/yr? |
| 16:22.18 | wethrin | How many sad Slashdot fanboys would jump at a job that pays that much? |
| 16:22.29 | hali | i bet most of their sysadmins are actaully perl monkies liking a bit of admin work |
| 16:22.37 | mindbendr | wethrin: i would for a part-time job |
| 16:22.40 | Blapto | I think a friend of mine interviewed at last.fm |
| 16:22.47 | wethrin | mindbendr: 3 days a week? |
| 16:22.54 | mindbendr | wethrin: yep, 20 hours actually |
| 16:22.55 | Blapto | I could ask him what he was offered |
| 16:23.06 | mindbendr | Blapto: that'd be nice to have an idea |
| 16:24.14 | mindbendr | if this company won't extend my contract by october, I have to look for a part-time job |
| 16:24.16 | Blapto | He's AFK at the moment, so I'll ask him tomorrow |
| 16:26.26 | jpds | http://www.last.fm/about/jobs#job_Linux+Sysadmin+(varying+levels) |
| 16:26.39 | jpds | I like the last skill. |
| 16:26.42 | Leeds | goes to hide from the typhoon |
| 16:27.06 | DiscordianUK | likes emacs |
| 16:27.57 | hali | * "Windows Desktop Support; email / printing / network connectivity" |
| 16:28.06 | hali | Warning warning! |
| 16:28.14 | mindbendr | jpds: which one |
| 16:28.20 | mindbendr | jpds: # Something that passes for music taste ? |
| 16:28.48 | hali | interesting that they use hibernate in their DW ... that's probably why it's all so slow :) |
| 16:28.53 | jpds | mindbendr: the vi thing ;-) |
| 16:29.17 | mindbendr | jpds: i use nano, they wouldn't hire me then |
| 16:30.53 | dnamrA | DiscordianUK: PM ok ? |
| 16:31.03 | Armand | oops. :P |
| 16:31.56 | DiscordianUK | Yeah sure |
| 17:14.56 | morsing | Beer |
| 17:39.30 | mindbendr | cya tomorrow |
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| 17:52.28 | morsing | ChoHag! |
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| 19:02.58 | morsing | cata`lappy! |
| 19:03.04 | morsing | andronicus7! |
| 19:52.26 | AndyMillar | 2008-08-05 19:51:48 H=mailman.ukfsn.org [77.75.108.75] U=postfix F=<mailman-bounces@cust-web.rcalive.com> temporarily rejected RCPT <andy@andymillar.co.uk>: Temporary DNS error while checking SPF record. Try again later. |
| 19:52.31 | AndyMillar | hmm |
| 19:52.34 | AndyMillar | someone's mailserver isn't behaving :o |
| 19:52.39 | AndyMillar | or dns server ;/ |
| 19:52.52 | AndyMillar | and i don't think it's mine |
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| 21:19.24 | AndyMillar | kills morsing |
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| 21:21.05 | fm2008 | is there any tool that can allow me to get a list of all the apps on freshmeat.net that have been updated this 2008? i do not want to spend hours browsing, you know |
| 21:21.42 | morsing | fm2008! |
| 21:22.05 | fm2008 | can you help? |
| 21:22.17 | morsing | I can never help |
| 21:22.36 | Armand | morsing is somewhat helpless.. |
| 21:22.49 | fm2008 | i see |
| 21:22.57 | Armand | that's why we wrap him in kittens and pillows. |
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