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| 07:53.26 | bilarh | yow homeys |
| 07:53.41 | Discordian | wyrd up |
| 07:54.06 | bilarh | :D |
| 08:28.51 | hali | Gents |
| 08:28.53 | hali | and Ladies |
| 08:29.04 | hali | how are we all this fine morning |
| 08:38.48 | mindbendr | morning |
| 08:40.39 | bilarh | splendid, thank you |
| 08:44.23 | mikejw | morning *yawn* |
| 08:45.43 | z00dax | moin |
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| 09:44.32 | morsing | ~seen Cope |
| 09:44.35 | ibot | cope <n=stephen@87-194-125-249.bethere.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #tomcat, 23d 17h 11m 57s ago, saying: 'it doesn't work with tomcat 6 unless i copy the tomcat 4 one over'. |
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| 09:45.55 | morsing | Blapto! |
| 09:46.00 | morsing | Blapto: Where's Cope? |
| 09:46.47 | Blapto | morsing! |
| 09:46.51 | Blapto | In the lavatory. |
| 09:47.11 | morsing | Nice |
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| 10:30.12 | kjs | Wats cracking |
| 10:31.06 | Leeds | breaking into a computer system? |
| 10:31.13 | bilarh | halifax house price index down 11% |
| 10:31.20 | bilarh | that's the *nominal* fall year on year |
| 10:31.32 | bilarh | add rpi on to it and it's more like 15% down |
| 10:31.35 | Leeds | rent up something like 6% year-on-year |
| 10:31.55 | Leeds | rents in HK go up 25%-50% year-on-year when the market is busy |
| 10:32.48 | bilarh | great, the extra 60 quid a month will offset the capital loss of 3060 this month nicely :) |
| 10:32.52 | morsing | Beer |
| 10:33.30 | bilarh | house prices back to august 2006 levels |
| 10:34.50 | Leeds | fortunately, I bought in May 2000 |
| 10:35.09 | bilarh | good for you, bad for the btl's that bought in 2006 onwards |
| 10:35.14 | bilarh | 2006 was the busiest year ever for 2006 |
| 10:35.18 | bilarh | sorry, for btl |
| 10:35.34 | morsing | Makes no difference - my house has four walls and a roof no matter what it's worth |
| 10:35.48 | bilarh | morsing: well, unless you want to actually move |
| 10:35.58 | bilarh | morsing: if you're in negative equity, you're essentially trapped in your house |
| 10:36.06 | morsing | bilarh: Makes no difference, what you move to will go up and down in priice too |
| 10:36.12 | Blapto | The other houses are cheaper too... |
| 10:36.18 | morsing | It's the *market* - not your house specifically |
| 10:36.22 | bilarh | morsing: and you wont be able to re-mortgage on to a better deal when your fixed rate comes to an end |
| 10:36.27 | Leeds | btl? |
| 10:36.50 | bilarh | blapto+morsing: well, that's all well and good if you have the money to settle the outstanding negative equity, otherwise you're not allowed to sell it |
| 10:36.54 | bilarh | leeds: buy to let |
| 10:36.57 | Leeds | oh, buy to let |
| 10:37.09 | Leeds | I didn't do that - I bought to live, then moved out 5 years later and let it |
| 10:37.19 | Provito | I only moved several weeks back |
| 10:37.21 | bilarh | leeds: yeah i know, you're a special case :) |
| 10:37.30 | morsing | Blapto: *very* special... |
| 10:37.35 | Blapto | Except the mortgage on the new house will be cheaper as well. |
| 10:37.40 | Provito | I realise the market is going down but in a two bed flat you need to move out at some point |
| 10:37.53 | bilarh | blapto: yeah but you're not allowed to sell the house if you're in negative equity, so how can you buy a second? |
| 10:38.03 | Provito | and owning a first time buyers property will mean that it will be even harder to sell as they will wait for the market to hit the bottom |
| 10:38.39 | Blapto | use the mortgage to settle the first |
| 10:38.53 | bilarh | blapto: so taking out a 100+% mortgage on the second home? |
| 10:38.56 | antiphase | I flogged my house last October \o/ |
| 10:39.05 | bilarh | blapto: the highest ltv you're now allowed is about 85% afaik |
| 10:39.10 | bilarh | antiphase: *very* shrewd move |
| 10:39.17 | bilarh | antiphase: i envy you :P |
| 10:40.07 | Blapto | That's assuming you're moving to a higher value house and that you haven't paid back any of the mortgage on the first |
| 10:41.45 | bilarh | blapto: well if you had paid back enough on the first one, you obviously wouldn't be in negative equity |
| 10:42.53 | Leeds | eh, they'll go back up again sooner or later |
| 10:43.20 | bilarh | yeah of course, but in the mean time, until you break even, you are stuck unless you can come up with the funds to pay off your negative equity |
| 10:43.31 | Leeds | and even if they don't, my place still approximately doubled in value in 7 years or so, even if it's dropped from the high now |
| 10:44.08 | antiphase | House prices in the UK have doubled overall every decade since 1950 iirc |
| 10:44.18 | Blapto | So has currency, antiphase |
| 10:44.32 | bilarh | i think the ratio to watch is price / earnings |
| 10:44.39 | antiphase | Only when LAbour were in power ;) |
| 10:44.43 | Blapto | Purchasing Power Parity |
| 10:45.21 | Blapto | PPP against CPI would be interesting |
| 10:45.43 | Leeds | more interesting than PPP against SLIP |
| 10:46.08 | bilarh | cpi is fucked up anyway, does anyone honestly think inflation is ony 3%? |
| 10:46.31 | wethrin | bilarh: Sure, if you discount anything related to oil |
| 10:46.33 | Leeds | the headline rate here is 6%, the real rate is a lot closer to 20% |
| 10:46.55 | bilarh | wethrin: everything is related to oil :) |
| 10:47.01 | wethrin | Well, yes :) |
| 10:47.19 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 10:47.53 | wethrin | hi morsing |
| 10:48.05 | bilarh | "Many commentators suggest prices could easily fall by about 20% in the course of this year and next." - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7546644.stm |
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| 11:35.44 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 11:39.50 | Leeds | I am eating one of http://siuyeh.wordpress.com/2008/07/29/hong_kong_style_egg_waffle/ - although not from the place in North Point |
| 11:40.47 | Leeds | no idea why, but one of my 4 (!) local supermarkets put in a waffle kiosk recently |
| 11:43.10 | wethrin | WOFFL! |
| 11:45.10 | morsing | PIE |
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| 11:57.59 | morsing | gbeard! |
| 12:00.00 | Blapto | Hmm, gbeard vs kbeard |
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| 12:14.53 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 12:21.03 | bilarh | hmm, i'm happy that nx server now works with the default install |
| 12:21.16 | bilarh | last time i tried it it kept core dumping all over the place and never quite worked |
| 12:21.37 | bilarh | hopefully i can finally get rid of vnc :D |
| 12:26.55 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Ooh you running an nx server? can I have a login? |
| 12:33.16 | bilarh | yeah just connect using your normal ssh login |
| 12:33.42 | bilarh | it's actually surprisingly fast |
| 12:35.25 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Cant I use an nx client? |
| 12:38.20 | z00dax | NX > Vnc |
| 12:39.31 | DiscordianUK | is that FreeNX? |
| 12:39.50 | dick_turpin | z00dax: Yeah I know but I'll need GUI to view bilarh's massive porn collection ;-) |
| 12:40.05 | z00dax | dick_turpin: yea, FreeNX |
| 12:40.50 | z00dax | if you dont want the bells, you can even use the freenx clients |
| 12:40.50 | dick_turpin | Right all we need than is a user name and password |
| 12:43.46 | bilarh | dick_turpin: try dick/suckmyproverbial |
| 12:44.48 | dick_turpin | "Unknown user name or password" you sure thats correct? |
| 12:45.00 | bilarh | yeah that's what's supposed to happen |
| 12:46.33 | phearless | http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?world=0008 ahhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 12:46.39 | phearless | GGRRRR !!!! |
| 12:49.46 | dick_turpin | Its nice and sunny up here |
| 12:51.21 | bilarh | phearless: don't start |
| 12:51.28 | bilarh | hates on dick_turpin |
| 12:51.40 | bilarh | phearless: i am getting *seriously* fucked off with all the rain |
| 12:51.50 | wethrin | It's only lightly overcast here |
| 12:51.56 | wethrin | Apparently York got flooded yesterday, though |
| 12:52.01 | bilarh | phearless: i'm even thinking of emigrating, and the main reason is the continuous downpour |
| 12:52.18 | phearless | bilarh: I wanted to move to spain, but jobs sucks over there |
| 12:52.26 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Got the window open and the fan on :-) |
| 12:52.26 | bilarh | yeah that's the problem |
| 12:52.33 | wethrin | bilarh: It's what you get with Global War^W^WClimate Change |
| 12:52.38 | wethrin | or whatever they've decided to call it today |
| 12:52.45 | bilarh | what more taxation? |
| 12:52.55 | bilarh | what's taxation got to do with the weather? |
| 12:53.31 | wethrin | huh? |
| 12:53.39 | bilarh | exactly |
| 12:53.49 | wethrin | I said nothing about taxation |
| 12:54.01 | bilarh | climate change == taxation |
| 12:54.18 | wethrin | pff |
| 13:18.08 | DiscordianUK | Gah I hate gnu info |
| 13:18.39 | wethrin | So does pretty much everyone except for Stallman and his fanboys |
| 13:18.57 | DiscordianUK | AYE |
| 13:19.11 | DiscordianUK | and xinfo seems AWOL these days |
| 13:19.22 | wethrin | There's pinfo, if you want it to be slightly less painful |
| 13:19.45 | wethrin | Sort of like taking a staple gun to your head rather than your eyes |
| 13:20.06 | DiscordianUK | yeah but pinfo is still a pain |
| 13:20.14 | wethrin | indeed |
| 13:21.24 | DiscordianUK | is struggling with grub |
| 13:42.54 | dick_turpin | Mwahaha |
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| 15:20.15 | morsing | Beer |
| 15:34.19 | kraptv | A fitting word for a channel entitled "gllug" |
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| 18:02.52 | mib_nh517e | hi , can any one help me use python? |
| 18:03.09 | mib_nh517e | I think some python ppl maybe here.. |
| 18:04.25 | catalyst | depends what you'd like to know :) |
| 18:05.03 | mib_nh517e | I need to understand how to use lists |
| 18:05.18 | catalyst | anything in particular? |
| 18:05.20 | mib_nh517e | I am seeking to give a function a string |
| 18:05.50 | mib_nh517e | this string is made up of numbers in hex |
| 18:06.07 | mib_nh517e | for example "080d050001" |
| 18:06.33 | mib_nh517e | I seek to convert that string to an array, so I can calulate |
| 18:07.45 | catalyst | sorry, not a clue :< |
| 18:08.33 | mib_nh517e | so if string= "080d050001" , then I want poly to poly= [ 08 0d 05 00 01] |
| 18:10.15 | wethrin | Leeds is the local Python person around here |
| 18:11.48 | mib_nh517e | hi wethrin, leeds did help me |
| 18:12.02 | mib_nh517e | but I need to finish it of and got stuck |
| 18:12.25 | mib_nh517e | where in this irc, can I seek help other then # python ? |
| 18:13.24 | boudiccas | mib_nh517e; what distro are you using? |
| 18:13.45 | boudiccas | perhaps you could elicit help from that distro's channel? |
| 18:16.18 | mib_nh517e | thnkas |
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| 19:20.30 | kraptv | Any of you play with asterisk and hook up an FXO card to their BT phone line? |
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| 19:31.07 | DiscordianUK | lo |
| 19:31.36 | kraptv | Hail eris! |
| 19:31.59 | kraptv | Discordian, do you like the Illuminatus references in KLF music? |
| 19:32.19 | DiscordianUK | heh the lkf are cool |
| 19:32.22 | DiscordianUK | klf |
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| 19:53.02 | gregj | hey guys |
| 19:53.30 | gregj | anyone can tell me what does 'O.N.O' mean next to used car price |
| 19:54.50 | andronicus7 | or nearest offer |
| 19:54.59 | andronicus7 | @ gregj |
| 19:55.07 | antiphase | s/est// |
| 19:55.39 | gregj | so when guy is selling ford capri for 100 quid, he is just in fact waiting for highest bit |
| 19:55.42 | gregj | bid |
| 19:55.58 | antiphase | You offer him 50 and he takes 80 |
| 19:56.22 | antiphase | 100 quid is basically just an alternative to giving it away |
| 19:56.37 | antiphase | It'll be fit for the scrapper |
| 19:56.58 | gregj | yeah, so I figure |
| 19:57.23 | gregj | so basicaly cars that have 100 tag, and ONO are "don't buy, unless you're looking for spare parts" kind of deal |
| 20:09.01 | wethrin | Yup |
| 20:12.46 | gregj | might get a job in belfast, a contract - and starts to look around. |
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| 21:00.40 | gregj | wethrin: how's your dishwasher ? |
| 21:00.52 | gregj | wethrin: any polish repair man to fix it ? :D |
| 21:02.37 | wethrin | gregj: It's been replaced |
| 21:02.40 | wethrin | I have a new one |
| 21:06.41 | gregj | great :) |
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| 22:15.39 | z00dax | heya catalyst |
| 22:15.42 | z00dax | howse things ? |
| 22:15.44 | catalyst | yo |
| 22:15.53 | catalyst | I've nearly done a week in a proper job |
| 22:15.58 | catalyst | I know, I was as surprised as anyone |
| 22:15.59 | z00dax | yay! |
| 22:16.06 | catalyst | though, to be honest, it's a bloody brilliant job ;) |
| 22:16.16 | z00dax | define: brilliant |
| 22:16.18 | Discordian | What are you doing? |
| 22:16.54 | catalyst | game programmer ;p |
| 22:17.10 | z00dax | I almost guessed that... |
| 22:17.49 | z00dax | .. console programming / PC stuff ? |
| 22:18.41 | catalyst | all sorts |
| 22:19.09 | catalyst | it's for Frontier, of Elite fame :) |
| 22:19.20 | z00dax | nice |
| 22:19.23 | catalyst | they just released Lost Winds on the Wii, which went down well with pretty much everybody |
| 22:19.38 | z00dax | humf wii... |
| 22:19.40 | z00dax | ps3 ftw! |
| 22:20.21 | catalyst | 360 \m/ |
| 22:20.28 | catalyst | I love the 360's architecture actually |
| 22:20.36 | catalyst | it's somewhat more sane than the PS3's |
| 22:20.48 | z00dax | yea, I've heard that |
| 22:21.11 | catalyst | 3 processor cores, each with 2 hardware threads |
| 22:21.29 | catalyst | and you can specifically allocate threads yourself |
| 22:21.41 | z00dax | and I guess you can do what you want on each core ? unlike the ps3 where some cores are dedicated to specific jobs |
| 22:21.46 | z00dax | right |
| 22:22.06 | catalyst | well, MS take a very small amount of processing power for their OS for the guide blade and suchlike |
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| 22:22.18 | z00dax | so which part of the UK are you in these days ? |
| 22:22.25 | catalyst | but nothing compared to what sony do |
| 22:22.27 | catalyst | cambridge :) |
| 22:22.30 | z00dax | oh no |
| 22:22.37 | catalyst | "oh no"? :P |
| 22:23.01 | z00dax | half of #gllug seems to either be there, or have major associations with the place |
| 22:25.55 | catalyst | it's a non-stop train to nodnol and back |
| 22:28.02 | z00dax | I dont know what / where nodnol is |
| 22:28.47 | morsing | Beer |
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