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| 05:07.38 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 05:08.10 | Leeds | piss off |
| 05:27.17 | gregj-uk | O.o |
| 05:27.45 | Leeds | afternoon gregj-uk |
| 05:28.28 | gregj-uk | morning |
| 05:28.28 | gregj-uk | :] |
| 05:28.46 | morsing | gregj-uk: 'morning :) Leeds is in a crappy mood today! |
| 05:31.45 | Leeds | lunchtime, I think |
| 06:57.05 | hali | crappy cocco |
| 06:57.07 | hali | morning |
| 06:59.15 | zaarg | morning |
| 07:01.04 | Leeds | hali: erm |
| 07:03.11 | morsing | Leeds: What did you have? |
| 07:06.04 | j0nr | Morning |
| 07:07.08 | morsing | Beer |
| 07:08.05 | j0nr | hey Morsing... |
| 07:08.54 | morsing | Hey there ;) |
| 07:09.02 | morsing | gives j0nr his morning kiss |
| 07:09.17 | j0nr | remember we were trying to set up bitlbee :D :D :X |
| 07:09.24 | morsing | Oh! Yes... |
| 07:09.33 | j0nr | Like I never left huh |
| 07:09.37 | morsing | ... |
| 07:09.49 | morsing | So, #ps aux | grep bitl' gives you what? |
| 07:09.51 | j0nr | Well I haven't looked at it since that afteful day |
| 07:09.57 | morsing | s/#/'/ |
| 07:09.59 | j0nr | fateful* |
| 07:10.03 | morsing | afteful? |
| 07:10.06 | morsing | Ah |
| 07:10.12 | j0nr | heh |
| 07:10.38 | j0nr | jonr 7404 0.0 0.1 4500 1444 pts/5 T Sep05 0:00 bitlbee |
| 07:10.53 | morsing | Ok, anythin gin /etc.init.d to start it up? |
| 07:11.39 | j0nr | jonr@jonr-laptop:/etc/init.d$ ls *bitl* |
| 07:11.39 | j0nr | bitlbee |
| 07:11.50 | j0nr | so i guess thats a yes |
| 07:12.00 | morsing | /etc/init.d/bitlbee start |
| 07:12.35 | j0nr | jonr@jonr-laptop:/etc/init.d$ bitlbee start |
| 07:12.36 | j0nr | Warning: Unable to read configuration file `/etc/bitlbee/bitlbee.conf'. |
| 07:12.36 | j0nr | :localhost.localdomain NOTICE AUTH :BitlBee-IRCd initialized, please go on |
| 07:12.36 | j0nr | ERROR :Warning: Permission problem: Can't read/write from/to `/var/lib/bitlbee/'. |
| 07:12.36 | j0nr | [1]+ Stopped bitlbee start |
| 07:13.01 | j0nr | I remember I tried this last time... if I sudo it then it seems ok. |
| 07:13.01 | morsing | You need to be root |
| 07:13.10 | j0nr | But wasn't the result of ps meaning it was running? |
| 07:13.19 | morsing | No |
| 07:13.27 | morsing | Oh, wait |
| 07:13.28 | j0nr | what was ps telling me then? |
| 07:13.29 | morsing | Sorry |
| 07:13.34 | morsing | Yeah |
| 07:13.42 | j0nr | ok |
| 07:13.42 | morsing | so if you go to your IRC client... |
| 07:13.57 | morsing | And do /connect localhost |
| 07:14.02 | morsing | What do you get? |
| 07:14.07 | j0nr | like right where I am now? |
| 07:14.17 | morsing | ?? |
| 07:14.25 | morsing | I don't know where you are... |
| 07:14.26 | j0nr | i'm in irssi now |
| 07:14.35 | morsing | Ok, type '/connect localhost' |
| 07:14.57 | morsing | Any numbers light up? |
| 07:15.05 | j0nr | 08:14 [localhost] -!- Irssi: Looking up localhost |
| 07:15.06 | j0nr | 08:14 [localhost] -!- Irssi: Connecting to localhost [127.0.0.1] port 6667 |
| 07:15.07 | j0nr | 08:14 [localhost] -!- Irssi: Unable to connect server localhost port 6667 [Connection refused] |
| 07:15.14 | morsing | So it's not running |
| 07:15.25 | j0nr | AND it looks like it has been repeatedly trying ever since friday |
| 07:15.33 | morsing | What's in /etc/bitlbee/bitlbee.conf? |
| 07:15.46 | j0nr | 08:15 [localhost] -!- Irssi: Reconnecting to localhost [127.0.0.1] port 6667 - use /RMRECONNS to abort |
| 07:15.52 | j0nr | ill look |
| 07:16.51 | morsing | What does 'grep -v ^# /etc/bitlbee/bitlbee.conf' give youu? |
| 07:17.21 | j0nr | the bitlbee.conf looks like every single line is commented out! |
| 07:18.13 | morsing | Even [defaults]? |
| 07:18.20 | j0nr | that grep command...its doing nothing |
| 07:18.38 | morsing | What does 'netstat -Ainet -ln | grep 1500' output? |
| 07:18.55 | j0nr | the [defaults] line itself no, but everything below. (does the diff between two ## and one # matter?) |
| 07:19.04 | morsing | j0nr: There's no [default] in that file? I think that should be there |
| 07:19.10 | morsing | Ok, that's fine |
| 07:19.21 | morsing | No, anything after one # is ignored |
| 07:19.26 | j0nr | no there is a line saying [default] |
| 07:19.33 | morsing | Cool :) |
| 07:19.41 | j0nr | but the items below it in that section are commented out |
| 07:19.48 | morsing | That's fine |
| 07:19.54 | morsing | 'netstat -Ainet -ln | grep 1500' |
| 07:19.58 | j0nr | that grep command...how do i kill it? |
| 07:20.22 | morsing | Wait... wrong port |
| 07:20.26 | morsing | Kill it? |
| 07:20.31 | morsing | ctrl-C? |
| 07:21.09 | morsing | 'netstat -Ainet -ln | grep 6667' |
| 07:21.22 | morsing | Wait... Just sneezed. brb |
| 07:21.26 | j0nr | netstat does nothing |
| 07:21.30 | j0nr | bless you |
| 07:23.57 | morsing | Back |
| 07:24.03 | morsing | Odd |
| 07:26.13 | morsing | Can you stop it? |
| 07:27.17 | j0nr | ill try |
| 07:27.42 | j0nr | best way? kill the pts number or try /etc/init.d/bitlbee stop |
| 07:28.38 | j0nr | ok killed |
| 07:29.19 | morsing | Now su to root |
| 07:29.27 | morsing | Then run bitlbee -vn |
| 07:30.01 | j0nr | root@jonr-laptop:/etc/bitlbee# bitlbee -vn |
| 07:30.01 | j0nr | :localhost.localdomain NOTICE AUTH :BitlBee-IRCd initialized, please go on |
| 07:30.01 | j0nr | ERROR :Warning: BitlBee is running with root privileges. Why? |
| 07:30.15 | j0nr | thats the message I get (I am not asking why?) |
| 07:30.34 | j0nr | so that means its running |
| 07:31.06 | morsing | Yes, should be... |
| 07:31.12 | morsing | Try the netstat command again |
| 07:31.16 | morsing | netstat -Ainet -ln | grep 6667 |
| 07:31.24 | morsing | It really should show up... |
| 07:32.01 | j0nr | nope |
| 07:32.05 | morsing | ... |
| 07:32.10 | morsing | Ok, I can't help you then |
| 07:32.20 | hali | is this on linux? |
| 07:32.23 | j0nr | yeah |
| 07:32.42 | j0nr | not to worry, you have been a great help anyway |
| 07:32.50 | j0nr | I shall perservere |
| 07:32.56 | j0nr | sp? |
| 07:33.07 | morsing | Sorry... |
| 07:33.27 | j0nr | its ok. thanks for trying! |
| 07:33.32 | morsing | If you just run netstat -Ainet -l, what's at the bottom? |
| 07:36.10 | morsing | Run lsof -c bitlbee |
| 07:36.56 | j0nr | am just looking in the bitlbee.conf and I have to uncomment what runmode I want. Inetd, Daemon or Forkdaemon. |
| 07:37.07 | j0nr | Inetd I think we are trying yeah? |
| 07:37.28 | morsing | OR 'lsof -p `ps ax | grep bitlbee | grep -v grep | cut -d " " -f1`' |
| 07:37.51 | morsing | inetd is default. You really don't have to do that and that's not the problem |
| 07:38.05 | j0nr | ok |
| 07:38.52 | morsing | Did you get anything from the above commands? |
| 07:39.00 | j0nr | just trying |
| 07:39.33 | j0nr | that last one said no process id specified |
| 07:39.43 | morsing | So you've stopped it again? |
| 07:39.49 | morsing | It's not running then |
| 07:40.00 | morsing | Maybe it starts up but then dies |
| 07:40.05 | j0nr | lsof: no process ID specified |
| 07:40.22 | morsing | When you ran 'bitlbee -vn' what happened? Did it just stay there? |
| 07:40.35 | morsing | Run /etc/init.d/bitlbee start' again |
| 07:41.06 | j0nr | sudo /etc/init.d/bitlbee start |
| 07:41.06 | j0nr | Starting BitlBee IRC/IM gateway: bitlbee. |
| 07:41.31 | j0nr | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 07:41.31 | j0nr | bitlbee 27692 bitlbee cwd unknown /proc/27692/cwd (readlink: Permission denied) |
| 07:41.35 | j0nr | bitlbee 27692 bitlbee rtd unknown /proc/27692/root (readlink: Permission denied) |
| 07:41.38 | j0nr | bitlbee 27692 bitlbee txt unknown /proc/27692/exe (readlink: Permission denied) |
| 07:41.38 | morsing | ps ax | grep bitlbee | grep -v grep | cut -d " " -f1 |
| 07:41.42 | j0nr | bitlbee 27692 bitlbee NOFD /proc/27692/fd (opendir: Permission denied) |
| 07:41.49 | morsing | Ok, so running |
| 07:41.57 | morsing | Try all three commands again |
| 07:42.34 | j0nr | what three? |
| 07:42.59 | morsing | netstat -Ainet -l |
| 07:43.03 | morsing | lsof -c bitlbee |
| 07:43.11 | morsing | lsof -p `ps ax | grep bitlbee | grep -v grep | cut -d " " -f1` |
| 07:43.17 | j0nr | ah its doing things now |
| 07:43.22 | morsing | Cool |
| 07:43.42 | j0nr | what am i looking for in netstat |
| 07:43.55 | morsing | What's the bottom 2-3 ones? |
| 07:44.01 | morsing | Anything that looks like irc? |
| 07:44.16 | morsing | Paste the three last ones |
| 07:44.18 | j0nr | top one says ircd? |
| 07:44.21 | bilarh_ | morning |
| 07:44.22 | morsing | Ah! |
| 07:44.25 | morsing | Cool |
| 07:44.30 | morsing | Now go to irssi again |
| 07:44.32 | j0nr | state listen |
| 07:44.36 | morsing | and /connect localhost |
| 07:45.08 | j0nr | ok somehow ui have three bitlbee windows now |
| 07:45.23 | morsing | Yes, it's retrying all your commands |
| 07:45.24 | j0nr | like i said it seemed to be trying to reconnect since we started trying on friday |
| 07:45.37 | j0nr | um it keeps opening windows :\ |
| 07:45.40 | morsing | Run /disconnect in two of the windows |
| 07:45.50 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.26 | morsing | ? |
| 07:46.37 | morsing | Anyway, doesn't matter how many times it's connected |
| 07:46.47 | j0nr | i ran it |
| 07:46.49 | morsing | Now do account list |
| 07:46.51 | j0nr | windows dont change |
| 07:47.14 | j0nr | ok i closed them |
| 07:47.21 | morsing | To add your MSN account do 'account add msn <emailaddress> nick |
| 07:47.28 | morsing | To add your MSN account do 'account add msn <emailaddress> passwd' sorry |
| 07:47.40 | morsing | All of them? |
| 07:47.47 | morsing | Connect again |
| 07:47.53 | j0nr | no i left one open :) |
| 07:48.01 | morsing | :) |
| 07:48.30 | j0nr | account successfully added! |
| 07:48.38 | morsing | :D |
| 07:48.48 | morsing | Now do 'account on' |
| 07:48.50 | bilarh_ | ah the joys of bitlbee :) |
| 07:48.56 | morsing | Then blist to show your buddies |
| 07:49.12 | morsing | kisses bilarh_'s nose |
| 07:49.43 | j0nr | account on |
| 07:49.51 | j0nr | looking good!! |
| 07:49.53 | morsing | :D |
| 07:50.16 | hali | bilarh_: sup dawg |
| 07:50.32 | morsing | Now all you do is '/msg <buddy-nick> Some message |
| 07:50.36 | hali | bilarh_: you been to egypt yet or going? |
| 07:50.47 | morsing | And TAB-completion works on the nicks... |
| 07:51.01 | j0nr | Fecking MArvellous!!!! |
| 07:51.04 | morsing | :D |
| 07:51.06 | j0nr | Oh thank you sooo much! |
| 07:51.10 | morsing | np |
| 07:51.12 | morsing | Beer |
| 07:51.33 | hali | support request of the day: "can you please switch off fnma integration in our system" :D |
| 07:51.51 | morsing | support request #2 - please supply more beer |
| 07:52.01 | hali | banks don't do beer |
| 07:52.24 | hali | the credit crunch is very amusing systems wise |
| 07:52.32 | bilarh_ | hali: going at the end of the month |
| 07:52.43 | morsing | bilarh_: Have we been invited? |
| 07:52.57 | hali | bilarh_: ok, we could do a pub crawl before that if you can get a green card |
| 07:53.09 | bilarh_ | hali: should be doable somehow :) |
| 07:53.10 | hali | marylebone perhaps |
| 07:53.18 | bilarh_ | :D |
| 07:53.25 | bilarh_ | swedish pub? :) |
| 07:53.27 | hali | sveeedish guurl |
| 07:53.35 | hali | "har du snus eller?" |
| 07:53.35 | bilarh_ | sounds like a date to me |
| 07:53.37 | morsing | Am I invited? |
| 07:53.38 | bilarh_ | hehe |
| 07:53.43 | hali | everyone is invited! |
| 07:53.46 | morsing | :D |
| 07:53.58 | morsing | Beer |
| 07:54.35 | morsing | When is it? |
| 07:54.41 | hali | tbd |
| 07:54.42 | morsing | j0nr: You coming? |
| 07:54.52 | hali | depending on bilarh's government negotiations |
| 07:55.03 | *** join/#gllug blight (n=blight@83.244.128.126) |
| 07:55.08 | j0nr | morsing: where? |
| 07:55.08 | morsing | blight! |
| 07:55.13 | j0nr | let me read |
| 07:55.15 | morsing | j0nr: Marylebone |
| 07:56.13 | j0nr | I dont know anyone! |
| 07:56.23 | morsing | j0nr: You know me! |
| 07:56.41 | morsing | I don't know anyone either |
| 07:56.48 | morsing | Not of this new crowd |
| 07:57.10 | j0nr | i'm part of the 'new crowd' surely |
| 07:57.23 | hali | as long as you wear pants |
| 07:57.51 | morsing | j0nr: You are... Which is why I've never met you |
| 07:58.05 | Leeds | bah |
| 07:58.07 | morsing | hali: What happened to Trousers? (The guy that is...) |
| 07:58.21 | hali | no idea |
| 07:58.26 | hali | haven't seen him around for ages |
| 07:58.29 | j0nr | might feel out of place not being too up on linux |
| 07:58.31 | hali | he had anger issues |
| 07:58.45 | morsing | j0nr: I'm not up on Linux either. All I know is it sucks |
| 07:58.59 | morsing | hali: Did he? I met him once and he was really quiet and calm |
| 07:59.28 | Leeds | for those who were worried, apparently the result of the election for MP for the IT constituancy was about 49.5%-50.5% - and Samson Tam won |
| 07:59.32 | hali | on irc that is |
| 07:59.34 | hali | never met him irl |
| 07:59.50 | morsing | hali: He just got excited easily ;) |
| 08:00.02 | j0nr | morsing: well you seem more clued up than me |
| 08:00.08 | hali | hm, our finance team is scary exact on timing to the office ... 5 out of 6 people arrive at 8.59 _every_ single work day |
| 08:00.09 | morsing | ... |
| 08:00.18 | j0nr | you have an automated name caller-upper when someone enters!! |
| 08:00.25 | morsing | I do?! |
| 08:00.31 | morsing | I didn't even know that |
| 08:00.59 | Leeds | j0nr: I think it's a semi-automatic last-person-who-joined-caller |
| 08:01.08 | morsing | I think this Danish girl fancies me :( |
| 08:01.23 | antiphase | Is she blind and deaf? |
| 08:01.27 | morsing | No... |
| 08:01.41 | morsing | I don't think she's my type though |
| 08:01.48 | j0nr | pics? |
| 08:02.48 | Leeds | I thought you despised Danes? |
| 08:03.07 | morsing | Leeds: I do... |
| 08:03.20 | morsing | She's not that good looking either. And she 6' tall |
| 08:03.29 | morsing | http://www.morsing.cc/photos/Eva.jpg |
| 08:03.38 | j0nr | I went out with a girl that was taller than me once...and I'm about 6' |
| 08:04.56 | antiphase | Any hole's a goal |
| 08:05.03 | morsing | ... |
| 08:05.17 | j0nr | if you can reach it |
| 08:05.55 | zaarg | she's not good looking? |
| 08:06.01 | morsing | Not really...? |
| 08:06.05 | zaarg | wtf?! |
| 08:06.26 | morsing | People obviously find different things attractive... |
| 08:06.27 | zaarg | clearly some people have higher standards than my own :) |
| 08:06.31 | zaarg | quite |
| 08:06.32 | morsing | I don't find her good looking |
| 08:06.33 | zaarg | she looks young |
| 08:06.40 | morsing | She's 31 |
| 08:06.43 | morsing | I think |
| 08:06.55 | zaarg | weird |
| 08:07.02 | Leeds | she's not bad |
| 08:07.09 | morsing | Right... You have her then :) |
| 08:07.22 | j0nr | who is this girl? someone you have all met? |
| 08:07.26 | morsing | ?? |
| 08:07.29 | morsing | Hardly |
| 08:07.59 | Leeds | "THE POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS UPGRADED TO GOOD." |
| 08:08.34 | morsing | That's a ve4ry positive outlook on total destruction... |
| 08:09.18 | Leeds | well, it's only a depression so far, but it is called MARCE |
| 08:10.17 | Leeds | but there's already a storm warning out in the Philippines |
| 08:10.32 | morsing | Beer |
| 08:11.08 | zaarg | sure, i'll take her :P |
| 08:11.16 | morsing | Great :) |
| 08:11.39 | morsing | zaarg: Is your photo on the IRC page? |
| 08:11.44 | zaarg | nope |
| 08:12.00 | morsing | It should be. A lot of the new people are missing |
| 08:12.16 | zaarg | yeah i'll get round to adding one at some point |
| 08:12.44 | morsing | antiphase and george look almost identical... Same person? |
| 08:13.59 | j0nr | you're not on there morsing ? |
| 08:14.25 | morsing | j0nr: No, I requested to be removed when I left the channel a while ago |
| 08:14.44 | morsing | j0nr: http://www.morsing.cc/photos/Me.jpg |
| 08:15.25 | j0nr | ok |
| 08:15.30 | j0nr | there you are |
| 08:15.34 | j0nr | lol |
| 08:15.39 | morsing | ? |
| 08:15.59 | j0nr | i just mean what can i say. from one man to another |
| 08:16.15 | morsing | ... |
| 08:16.27 | morsing | I know Leeds fancies me secretly |
| 08:16.32 | j0nr | hehe |
| 08:16.34 | Leeds | this is true |
| 08:16.46 | bilarh_ | jesus christ, it's a good job i'm not a stock broker... |
| 08:17.25 | bilarh_ | so, two massive companies have to be taken over by the us govt so that they wont fail due to people not having enough money to repay their debts |
| 08:17.26 | morsing | bilarh_: Think beer |
| 08:17.29 | zaarg | yeah, being really rich would suck |
| 08:17.47 | bilarh_ | i would have thought it was bad if the economy was in such a state that people couldn't pay their mortgages |
| 08:17.49 | Leeds | being a retail stock-holder would suck |
| 08:18.03 | bilarh_ | but apparently, this is good news, because the ftse is up 3.5% |
| 08:18.15 | zaarg | what's this? i haven't heard... |
| 08:18.32 | Leeds | zaarg: you know of fannie/freddie, the US 'government-backed' mortgage banks? |
| 08:18.49 | morsing | Mmm... Fanny |
| 08:19.03 | zaarg | googles |
| 08:19.07 | Leeds | as of approximately yesterday, they are now effectively government-owned, rather than -backed |
| 08:19.28 | Leeds | think something like northern rock, only they are infrastructure not retail |
| 08:19.29 | zaarg | holy crap |
| 08:19.53 | Leeds | the US government is taking on their debts and replacing their management |
| 08:20.16 | bilarh_ | i love it how all the experts keep saying "the worst is over" all the time and then a couple of days later there are new figures out showing it was worse than anticipated |
| 08:20.23 | bilarh_ | re credit crunch, house prices etc |
| 08:20.48 | j0nr | morsing: man you have a nice few cars |
| 08:20.50 | Leeds | doesn't make much difference to mortgage-holders... pretty much wipes out stock-holders in the banks... and strongly reassures creditors |
| 08:20.52 | zaarg | economists are full of shit |
| 08:20.56 | morsing | j0nr: !! |
| 08:21.01 | morsing | j0nr: Buy some of them |
| 08:21.24 | morsing | j0nr: I've only got the red and the grey one left |
| 08:21.50 | Leeds | zaarg: The Economist isn't |
| 08:22.05 | j0nr | morsing: ah I love the volvo and the beamer |
| 08:22.12 | morsing | :D |
| 08:22.19 | zaarg | all economics is bullshit |
| 08:22.20 | j0nr | I cant buy any cars at the mo tho |
| 08:22.23 | morsing | The BMW sucked. Worst car I@ve ever owned |
| 08:22.25 | j0nr | i have three |
| 08:22.32 | zaarg | this is from someone starting at LSE at the end of the month :D |
| 08:22.32 | morsing | j0nr: All Volvos? |
| 08:22.37 | j0nr | need to get rif of one so we can get one for the wife |
| 08:22.42 | Leeds | zaarg: not true - and they turned me down when I applied there :-) |
| 08:22.49 | bilarh_ | zaarg: nice, the lse, eh? :) |
| 08:22.54 | bilarh_ | zaarg: doing a full degree? |
| 08:22.55 | j0nr | i like the older ones... |
| 08:23.00 | zaarg | phd |
| 08:23.02 | j0nr | I almost bought a 240 |
| 08:23.05 | bilarh_ | cool :D |
| 08:23.06 | morsing | Cool :) |
| 08:23.14 | j0nr | been to finland, they got loads of two door 240s |
| 08:23.18 | j0nr | very cool |
| 08:23.27 | zaarg | better do some work |
| 08:23.29 | bilarh_ | j0nr: 242, i believe |
| 08:23.43 | morsing | The '70s 242GTs are cool! |
| 08:24.07 | j0nr | morsing: i'm not to hot on the numbers but I like the look of them |
| 08:25.08 | morsing | j0nr: http://www.volvoadventures.com/242GT.html |
| 08:26.17 | j0nr | sweet |
| 08:26.44 | antiphase | Volvos are only good if you have a need to waste a great deal of fuel while looking like a paedophile |
| 08:45.55 | blight | All, any suggestions on how to configure my MTA to filter on subject line and redirect to two different addresses? |
| 08:46.15 | morsing | blight: procmail? |
| 08:46.29 | antiphase | Depends if it's Exim |
| 08:48.16 | blight | antiphase: not Exim - however can Exim do this easily? |
| 08:48.39 | blight | morsing: using procmail means I can't do it in stream right? |
| 08:48.49 | morsing | "stream"? |
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| 08:52.24 | morsing | mindbendr! |
| 08:52.25 | mindbendr | morning |
| 08:52.38 | blight | morsing: I'd have to download the mail then have procmail process it |
| 08:53.04 | blight | morsing: what I'm trying to achieve is have my mail relay search for subject lines |
| 08:53.15 | blight | morsing: and based on a match send to two different addresses |
| 08:53.18 | morsing | Nice... I think |
| 08:53.34 | morsing | Sendmail can do that |
| 08:53.51 | blight | morsing: yeah? Cool - what am I looking for here then ... |
| 08:53.57 | blight | morsing: milter? |
| 08:54.02 | morsing | milter?!?!? |
| 08:54.06 | morsing | What??? |
| 08:54.28 | morsing | In sendmail, all you need to do is type '@@$&*^^((($$@@@@@' and it'll do it by magic |
| 08:54.54 | morsing | Honestly, I wouldn't have a clue :) Don't know if anyone does about Sendmail these days |
| 08:55.05 | blight | morsing: :-) Okay ... fair cop |
| 08:55.25 | blight | morsing: postfix will do half of it |
| 08:55.32 | blight | morsing: using header_check |
| 08:55.39 | morsing | Oh! Maybe... |
| 08:55.58 | morsing | blight: Ask on tek-tips |
| 08:57.02 | morsing | blight: Here ya go: http://www.postfix.org/header_checks.5.html |
| 08:57.11 | morsing | Describes it all in the examples section |
| 08:58.04 | blight | morsing: I'm looking at that |
| 08:58.47 | Leeds | oh, no, "Your AdWords Google Account is stoped." |
| 08:58.52 | wethrin | I think Tethys does sendmail still :) |
| 08:59.59 | morsing | Nowt wrong with Sendmail - if you understand it |
| 09:00.23 | Leeds | I was at a 'Microsoft and Open Source' presentation at the weekend, and the MS guy had a list of the top 10 open source packages, including sendmail |
| 09:02.42 | wethrin | Well, not any more - I think they've patched all the obvious security holes |
| 09:02.53 | wethrin | Well, done that about 5 years ago |
| 09:02.59 | wethrin | More, actually |
| 09:03.03 | wethrin | Doesn't time fly. |
| 09:03.09 | morsing | Beer |
| 09:03.21 | wethrin | morsing: Therein lies the biggest problem with sendmail - *if* you understand it |
| 09:03.37 | wethrin | It still retains compatibility for all the old mail systems that no-one uses any more |
| 09:03.49 | morsing | How hard can it be to add some @s and ^s to a config file - pffttt |
| 09:04.09 | wethrin | Adding them in the right order.... :-) |
| 09:18.30 | morsing | adds beer to wethrin |
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| 09:19.05 | morsing | Blapto! |
| 09:19.12 | Blapto | Blapto! |
| 09:19.17 | morsing | Blapto: How's your mail filtering company? |
| 09:19.28 | Blapto | Errm, I work for a spam company |
| 09:19.33 | morsing | I know |
| 09:19.42 | Blapto | As in spam producing. |
| 09:19.42 | morsing | How's it going? Well, you own the company |
| 09:19.52 | Blapto | I think you're confused again. |
| 09:19.58 | Blapto | You may want to drink more until it goes away. |
| 09:19.59 | morsing | I'm never confused |
| 09:20.48 | morsing | Hang on - so you produce spam and your brother filters it... Seems like a bit of a scam to me! |
| 09:21.06 | Blapto | Doesn't it just. |
| 09:22.33 | Leeds | Blapto: does your spam get though your brother's filter? |
| 09:22.47 | Blapto | I've no idea |
| 09:22.55 | Blapto | You'll have to ask his mother, who is not the same one as mine. |
| 09:23.14 | morsing | Leeds: I'd have though his brother pays Blapto to spam people who doesn't buy his filetring product. Then, when peopl epay up, Blapto stops spamming them |
| 09:23.33 | Blapto | So a spam racket of sorts. |
| 09:23.36 | Blapto | Sounds like a great idea. |
| 09:23.38 | morsing | Yeah |
| 09:26.11 | Nafallo | does anyone have an old motherboard they want to get rid off? something marked GREEN on this page please: http://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards |
| 09:26.40 | Nafallo | apparently PII/III motherboards isn't really on sale anymore. |
| 09:26.45 | Nafallo | :-P |
| 09:26.48 | Blapto | Nafallo: which socket? |
| 09:26.58 | Blapto | I might have something I can't guarantee works |
| 09:27.15 | Nafallo | Blapto: doesn't matter. I need that too. my boss want something that can do coreboot. |
| 09:27.25 | Nafallo | Blapto: in a desktop case if possible :-) |
| 09:27.34 | Nafallo | which board? |
| 09:27.40 | Blapto | Oh, I don't have a case for it |
| 09:27.46 | Nafallo | I can buy one. |
| 09:27.56 | Blapto | And I don't even know which board it is, I'd need to go home and inspect it. |
| 09:28.11 | Nafallo | hehe. oki. when will that be? :-) |
| 09:28.13 | morsing | Beer |
| 09:28.18 | Blapto | Sometime tonight |
| 09:28.27 | morsing | Blapto: You up for a social meet soon? |
| 09:28.30 | Blapto | I'll e-mail it to myself and be in this channel tomorrow. |
| 09:28.36 | Blapto | morsing: busy this Saturday |
| 09:28.48 | morsing | Blapto: I think it's a week day - still tbd |
| 09:28.56 | Nafallo | Blapto: oki. I kind of have a deadline today. thanks anyway. |
| 09:28.57 | Blapto | week days are best for me normally |
| 09:29.01 | Blapto | Ah, sorry Nafallo |
| 09:29.36 | Nafallo | thinks it will be an NVIDIA chipset-based board, unfree as it is, then :-/. |
| 09:36.44 | Nafallo | gaah! |
| 09:36.58 | Nafallo | found a motherboard, found memory, FAIL to find a matching CPU |
| 09:43.12 | hali | hm, buying hardware in bits? isn't that a bit expensive? |
| 09:43.22 | hali | unless it is for personal use i guess |
| 09:43.27 | Blapto | I don't think he's buying, hali ;) |
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| 09:45.15 | wethrin | Nafallo: eBay? |
| 09:45.30 | Nafallo | wethrin: deadline today? :-) |
| 09:45.57 | Nafallo | hali: I'm buying for a billionaire... I don't really care :-) |
| 09:46.09 | morsing | mindbendr! |
| 09:46.22 | Leeds | a... billionaire? |
| 09:47.06 | Nafallo | yes. |
| 09:47.15 | morsing | Nafallo: TwoSheds? |
| 09:47.16 | wethrin | oh. Good luck. |
| 09:47.22 | wethrin | Have you tried Computer Exchange? |
| 09:47.26 | wethrin | (Tottenham Cuort Road) |
| 09:47.30 | wethrin | GAH I HATE MY KEYBOARD |
| 09:47.43 | Blapto | Yeah yeah, blame the keyboard |
| 09:47.47 | Nafallo | wethrin: thanks. I have no idea what's up there. I'll check it now :-) |
| 09:48.07 | Blapto | Nafallo: there are tons of stores down Tottenham Court Road |
| 09:48.11 | wethrin | It's the north end of TCR - not too far away from Warren St. tube |
| 09:48.16 | wethrin | Blapto: Yes, but not for old stuff |
| 09:48.17 | Blapto | Some are a bit pricier, but if you know what things are worth then you'll be OK |
| 09:48.27 | Blapto | Most of them carry some old stock |
| 09:48.28 | wethrin | Nafallo: There's also Morgan that *may* be helpful, which is on (New?) Oxford St. |
| 09:48.43 | Blapto | Gultronics on Holborn are gone now |
| 09:50.43 | Nafallo | maybe I should just print this list and head up there instead of trying to chase this from the office. |
| 09:55.12 | wethrin | You can ask on Gllug to see if anyone's got some spare P3s lying around |
| 09:56.17 | morsing | It's gettin glate |
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| 10:55.31 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 11:12.49 | Blapto | Anybody here set up a Xen server? |
| 11:12.54 | morsing | Yes |
| 11:13.00 | morsing | But it was version2 |
| 11:13.02 | morsing | But it was version 2 |
| 11:14.55 | Blapto | I've got a spare desktop at work |
| 11:15.03 | Blapto | Currently running VMWare hosting a windows box. |
| 11:15.12 | Blapto | And a couple of Apache servers. |
| 11:15.17 | Blapto | Considering making it Xen instead |
| 11:16.13 | Blapto | Pentium 4 2.8GHz, 40GB hard drive, 1GB RAM |
| 11:21.50 | Blapto | Hmm, Xen Express only allows 4 simultaneous guests. |
| 11:22.27 | Blapto | Balls to that then, as they say in France |
| 11:42.47 | mindbendr | Blapto: Xen server? |
| 11:43.06 | mindbendr | Blapto: what do you mean by that? :) |
| 11:43.34 | mindbendr | Blapto: I've got 9-10 servers running 4 Xen VMs on each, if that's what you mean |
| 11:59.32 | morsing | Lemon |
| 11:59.52 | hali | i use oracle vm (xen) for some middleware servers |
| 11:59.55 | hali | works ok |
| 12:00.07 | hali | it's not vmware-good but fairly cost effective |
| 12:04.30 | Blapto | Xen host |
| 12:04.48 | Blapto | Might set up my debian box with xensource |
| 12:07.36 | zaarg | yeah, i use xen at work and at home |
| 12:07.59 | zaarg | i love it :) |
| 12:08.30 | zaarg | it's just a bit annoying to install |
| 12:08.42 | zaarg | esp networking |
| 12:13.54 | hali | the bridge stuff is a nightmare compared to the simplicity of ESXi (also free) |
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| 12:14.42 | Blapto | Yeah, ESXi is interesting as well |
| 12:15.06 | zaarg | http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-devices/review/2008/01/09/Bookeen-Cybook-Gen3/p1 |
| 12:15.07 | Blapto | I'll hold off and see what the Ticketmaster site license is I suppose... |
| 12:15.13 | zaarg | first ebook reader i've come across that doesn't suck |
| 12:15.24 | zaarg | w.h. smith is selling them for £150 |
| 12:15.26 | Blapto | Couple of guys here have the Sony one, which is decent |
| 12:15.45 | Blapto | Remarkably well built |
| 12:17.23 | zaarg | those aren't available here yet afaik |
| 12:17.50 | zaarg | and this one is cheaper and seems to solve the slow page switch problem |
| 12:18.16 | Blapto | They both imported them |
| 12:18.56 | Blapto | How does this solve the slow switch issue? |
| 12:19.50 | zaarg | what technically? i have no idea |
| 12:19.55 | zaarg | but it does :) |
| 12:19.56 | Blapto | No, for the user |
| 12:20.11 | zaarg | it doesn't take four seconds or so to change the page |
| 12:20.18 | zaarg | as it does in the sony ones iirc |
| 12:20.54 | Blapto | OK, just it doesn't say that in the review |
| 12:21.15 | zaarg | holy crap that includes case and charger |
| 12:21.18 | zaarg | that's a really good price O_O |
| 12:21.50 | hali | anyone here use numara footprints service desk software? |
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| 12:26.01 | morsing | tink044! |
| 12:26.38 | tink044 | morsing!: |
| 12:47.58 | StephmwMob | Anybody know of a london shop that might have some heatsink retention modules for sale? My existing one broke during my move :( |
| 12:50.36 | morsing | ? |
| 12:55.16 | StephmwMob | It's the square plastic part that your cpu cooler clips onto |
| 12:56.14 | morsing | Well, it's not going to cool well that way so better do without it |
| 13:01.05 | hali | i'd imagine you'll have to buy a new heatsink |
| 13:01.19 | hali | "spares" for a heatsink seems a bit silly |
| 13:01.41 | Blapto | I think it's a bit of the motherboard |
| 13:01.55 | antiphase | otherwise known as the CPU socket |
| 13:02.00 | antiphase | New mobo time |
| 13:02.18 | Blapto | Well, it's not actually a part of the CPU socket |
| 13:02.20 | antiphase | Next time, don't buy such a neavy heatsink :) |
| 13:02.29 | Blapto | It could be new cooler time, as some coolers do come with their own clips. |
| 13:02.43 | Blapto | Or remove the heatsink before you move the PC. |
| 13:05.54 | StephmwMob | Aye, hindsight is wonderful :) |
| 13:26.22 | wethrin | Superglue! |
| 13:26.57 | morsing | Beer! |
| 13:27.06 | morsing | No wait! Superglue! |
| 13:28.34 | wethrin | superbeer! |
| 13:28.39 | morsing | !! |
| 13:28.41 | morsing | Mead! |
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| 13:29.42 | zaarg | the industry doesn't make it easy to actually repair things |
| 13:29.49 | zaarg | they much prefer you buy the whole thing all over again |
| 13:29.50 | zaarg | sucks |
| 13:30.48 | Blapto | mmmmmmmmead! |
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| 13:31.25 | morsing | j0nr! |
| 13:32.21 | zaarg | i've always suspected a lot of motherboard failures etc would be trivial to repair |
| 13:32.42 | Blapto | You can send them back to the manufacturer, more often than not. |
| 13:32.45 | zaarg | replacing capacitors and such, though i relaly have no idea |
| 13:32.59 | Blapto | I've replaced capacitors on motherboards |
| 13:33.15 | Blapto | Depending on what kind they are it can be simple to work out which have gone bad. |
| 13:33.15 | zaarg | and the manufactuer typically sends you back a new one from their sweat shop |
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| 13:33.42 | zaarg | i remember my friend tried to replace one of those big capacitors in a crt |
| 13:33.43 | morsing | j0nr! |
| 13:33.47 | Blapto | BANG! |
| 13:33.51 | zaarg | apparently he could have died :) |
| 13:33.53 | Blapto | Unless he discharged it properly. |
| 13:34.11 | zaarg | i think luckily it had been sitting around for long enough that it wasn't an issue |
| 13:34.19 | Blapto | flyback transformers aren't safe to open |
| 13:34.25 | Blapto | Well, not unless you know what you're doing |
| 13:34.40 | Blapto | Though if it had been left around for a while (plugged in but turned off) he'd be OK |
| 13:35.42 | morsing | Mmm... Mouldy wine |
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| 14:42.39 | z00dax | check it |
| 14:58.50 | morsing | Hoemtime! |
| 14:58.55 | wethrin | Slacker. |
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| 15:17.04 | j0nr | anyone any idea what the cost of an ssh connection over GPRS would be like |
| 15:17.29 | z00dax | yes |
| 15:18.10 | j0nr | cool....is it heavy going? |
| 15:18.28 | z00dax | digging for details |
| 15:18.40 | wethrin | GPRS is slow. You will be driven slowly insane by using it. |
| 15:18.41 | j0nr | I mean is it like just bit of data everytime something comes and goes, or a continuous connection racking up by the minute |
| 15:19.06 | wethrin | The first, mostly |
| 15:19.09 | j0nr | I know GPRS is slow, just wanted to try it out |
| 15:19.12 | wethrin | There's a few keepalive packets sent |
| 15:19.18 | Blapto | t-mobile charge £15 a month for unlimited tethered GPRS |
| 15:19.25 | Blapto | Or £10 a month if you only use it from your phone. |
| 15:19.43 | j0nr | am already with orange |
| 15:19.44 | Blapto | But there are sneaky beaky things you can do to make it look like all the traffic came from your phone. |
| 15:20.07 | zaarg | 3g is faster than gprs right? |
| 15:20.13 | j0nr | yeah |
| 15:20.43 | wethrin | With ssh, it's lag, not bandwidth, you need to be concerned about |
| 15:21.08 | wethrin | The bandwidth is approximately fuck-all |
| 15:21.13 | z00dax | gprs is fine for ssh, make sure you have compression turned on in the client -> server connection |
| 15:21.27 | wethrin | found turning on compression made it more laggy |
| 15:21.30 | z00dax | its still a lot faster than you can type - mutt works fine over 19k too |
| 15:21.45 | z00dax | wethrin: really ? |
| 15:21.53 | wethrin | yeah |
| 15:21.58 | z00dax | i suppose if its all on the cli stuff, and you are not getting much back |
| 15:22.17 | wethrin | I'm guessing it bunches a load of data together so it can compress it |
| 15:22.56 | j0nr | was wondering how it would manage irc |
| 15:23.07 | z00dax | j0nr: use jmirc :D |
| 15:23.09 | j0nr | or whether the constant updating would shoot the cost up |
| 15:23.22 | wethrin | IRC's still not bandwidth-heavy |
| 15:23.30 | z00dax | there isnt really any constant updating with irc, just the ping pongs, which are 8 bytes |
| 15:23.31 | wethrin | But you'll still be driven mad through incessant laginess |
| 15:23.33 | Blapto | I've used IRC happily |
| 15:23.50 | z00dax | I am on irc over a 9600bps connection now :D |
| 15:24.05 | Leeds | I've used IRC over GPRS quite a few times |
| 15:24.22 | z00dax | j0nr: jmirc.sf.net iirc |
| 15:25.08 | z00dax | if you are on a train - moving quickly'ish or moving through lots of cell's - it gets irritating |
| 15:25.27 | j0nr | is this suited for pocketpc type phones |
| 15:25.28 | z00dax | since you get these 'black holes' with no data transfer while the cell changes |
| 15:25.29 | j0nr | ? |
| 15:25.52 | z00dax | j0nr: they have a list of phones on there that its known to work with. |
| 15:26.18 | z00dax | does your phone have mdp j2me ? |
| 15:26.34 | j0nr | not sure |
| 15:26.40 | j0nr | it running windows mobile 6 |
| 15:26.55 | z00dax | pass.. |
| 15:27.00 | j0nr | not to worry |
| 15:27.19 | j0nr | i know if i wanted to I could ssh into computer at home and go into my irc sess from there |
| 15:27.44 | Blapto | is completely and utterly shagged with 1hr30 till quitting time. |
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| 15:29.06 | z00dax | Blapto: more vodka |
| 15:29.20 | zaarg | haven't even tried ssh on teh iphone yet |
| 15:29.31 | zaarg | tries now |
| 15:29.32 | Blapto | z00dax: I've run out. |
| 15:29.42 | j0nr | bye for now |
| 15:30.02 | Blapto | I only have southern comfort left, and that's nasty |
| 15:30.10 | zaarg | i don't suppose screen -r will work |
| 15:30.12 | z00dax | j0nr: ta |
| 15:30.20 | z00dax | Blapto: in times of need, nasty is good too |
| 15:30.50 | z00dax | zaarg: telnet! |
| 15:32.19 | Blapto | IRC over telnet is doable |
| 15:32.22 | Blapto | I've done that before |
| 15:32.28 | Blapto | You just have to remember to reply to the pings |
| 15:32.35 | z00dax | you just need to type PONG real quick |
| 15:32.56 | z00dax | i think dancerircd gave you like 22 miliseconds |
| 15:33.09 | Blapto | Are you sure? |
| 15:33.11 | zaarg | holy crap |
| 15:33.14 | zaarg | sort of works |
| 15:33.16 | Blapto | Latency to the US is longer than that. |
| 15:33.30 | z00dax | th default is quite low |
| 15:33.55 | zaarg | in a sort of not really sort of way |
| 15:34.03 | z00dax | or was it 2.2 seconds |
| 15:34.12 | zaarg | screen -rx on iphone and desktop atm |
| 15:34.26 | Blapto | 2.2 seconds is more like it |
| 15:34.33 | Blapto | 22ms would only really work on a LAN |
| 15:34.36 | z00dax | tests |
| 15:39.34 | z00dax | humm |
| 15:39.46 | z00dax | irc.freenode.net does not work for me, it just ignores everything over telnet |
| 15:39.54 | z00dax | irc.oftc.net works fine |
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| 20:13.52 | z00dax | a bit of a drive-by question |
| 20:14.30 | z00dax | if someone wants to give me money for doing some random drive by work, do I need to pay tax on that - without any limits etc ? |
| 20:14.40 | morsing | StephmwMob! |
| 20:14.43 | z00dax | ofcourse I am not a limited company or anything like tht |
| 20:14.54 | morsing | z00dax: Depends on your yearly income |
| 20:15.02 | morsing | And other stuff |
| 20:15.11 | morsing | But yes, it's taxable like everything else |
| 20:15.14 | z00dax | ah so this gets added on top of the anual income |
| 20:15.18 | morsing | Yes |
| 20:15.22 | z00dax | so even if its £60 or £150 |
| 20:15.24 | morsing | Yes |
| 20:15.27 | morsing | Doesn't matter |
| 20:15.38 | z00dax | ah humm |
| 20:15.48 | z00dax | morsing: thanks |
| 20:19.45 | wethrin | Which is why many people do it as 'cash under the table' |
| 20:20.03 | wethrin | Officially, yes, you'd need to declare it to the taxman |
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| 21:50.13 | hali | it's easy to avoid tho |
| 21:50.35 | hali | i've done under the table work for a few of the uk's largest banks |
| 21:50.52 | hali | some guy just expenses £1k in random stuff for himself and gives me cash |
| 21:51.17 | hali | or pay via a less controll 3rd party |
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| 22:18.26 | DiscordianUK | hmmm i could do that |
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