IRC log for #gllug on 20080915

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05:05.46morsingLeeds!
05:05.48morsinggethoper!
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07:00.30morsingStephmw!
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07:03.19morsingj0nr!
07:03.26j0nrmorning
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07:07.01morsingsabinef72!
07:37.02morsingAnyone awake?
07:38.58*** join/#gllug sabinef72_ (n=sabinef7@ns.popipo.fr)
07:39.03morsingsabinef72_!
07:42.02j0nrhello I am unfortunately awake
07:42.15j0nrand in work
07:42.19morsingj0nr: How does backreferences work in Perl matching?
07:42.44j0nrmorsing: lol you're asking the wrong person!
07:42.48j0nrsorry
07:42.49morsingIf I try to reference $2 is says undeclared variable!
07:43.15j0nrPerl...something that grows in an oyster!
07:48.43boudiccaswwhat is 'pcmcia'? if i dont have it will the wifi work?
07:49.19morsingboudiccas: Yes
07:49.42morsingDepending on what your wifi hw is plugged into of course
07:49.56morsingAnd how can youo not know? You always surprise me boudiccas :)
07:50.17boudiccasi've never used wifi so am a complete novice with it
07:50.33morsingI'm talking pcmcia
07:50.49boudiccasnever used that either
07:51.13morsingBut you're an IT interested person - still surprises me but end of discussion
07:52.28boudiccasits on a new laptop that i've just bought online
07:52.39boudiccas<PROTECTED>
07:52.39boudiccas                       DVDRW, PCMCIA Wifi, XP Pro
07:55.00morsingRight, so you'll need pcmcia then to get wifi working...
07:55.14morsingDon't even need IT knowledge to spot that :)
07:56.48boudiccasbut i dont want wifi, i've not got a wifi modem/router
07:57.20boudiccasi just plug in the network cable and away i go
07:57.44morsingSo why do you ask?
07:57.47morsing08:48 < boudiccas> wwhat is 'pcmcia'? if i dont have it will the wifi work?
07:57.55morsing*sigh*
07:58.16boudiccaslooks like i may have to get a wifi router then foir my network and a new wifi card for my present box
07:59.12boudiccasbuying online you rely on the description which may include technical stuff that you've heard about but never had to use before
07:59.29boudiccasthats the case that i'm in
08:04.09morsingNice
08:15.15j0nrheh
08:21.42morsingmkdir($today/$group, 0755) unless -d "$today . / . $group";
08:21.57morsingHow do I get it to understand I'm not trying to do division?
08:29.31zaarggood morning
08:32.34morsingzaarg: Help
08:34.22zaargcan't you just use ' quotes instead?
08:37.43morsingNo
08:37.52morsingIt insists it's division
08:38.02zaargshrugs
08:38.08morsingIdiot
08:38.16zaargum?
08:38.28zaargi don't write bash for a living lolz
08:38.38morsingIt's not bash
08:38.49zaargsome scripting language
08:38.50zaargfor idiots
08:38.51morsingAnd there's no need for shrugging, it's extremely rude
08:39.03zaargi have higher things to think about
08:39.05zaarg:D
08:40.56zaargsounds like a case of RTFM anyway
08:41.52morsingIdiot
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08:49.24morsingStephmw!~
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08:58.17morsingChoHag!
09:24.00kjalilmorning!
09:26.37morsingkjalil!
09:28.10kjalilsince Lenny is close to release, is it wise for me to use it on a production server? It will become 'stable' soon, isn't it?
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09:36.10mindbendrmorning
09:40.21morsingmindbendr!
09:45.06ChoHagDepends what you mean by wise.
09:45.13ChoHagI'd probably still stick to backports if I could.
09:50.20bilarh_lehmans bro file for bankcruptcy? :S
09:50.33morsingsteals bilarh_'s bacon
09:54.36wethrinBanks are being full of FAIL
09:54.41morsingBeer
09:54.48wethrinbecause they were being fucking stupid in the last couple of years
09:56.21morsingwethrin: Why does lsvg -o | lsvg -Mi fail in my script but not interactively?
09:56.51wethrinno idea
09:56.54morsing:(
09:57.07wethrinlsvg, I assume, lists volume groups?
09:57.13morsingYes
09:57.13wethrinwhat does -o do? And -Mi ?
09:57.14morsing0516-306 : Unable to find volume group prdb26vg in the Device Configuration Database.
09:57.22morsingIt gets the right VG though...
09:57.44morsingHow odd
09:58.59morsingThat command fails consistently on all remote servers but no on the local one. Logging in to a remote server to run it works fine though
09:59.09morsings/no/not/
10:03.07wethrinRight. So how're you running it on the remote servers?
10:03.11wethrinrsh ?
10:04.49morsingYes
10:05.07wethrinI'd guess that the pipe is doing something odd there
10:05.38morsingBut the error message above is odd! It says some VG doesn't exist when it clearly does  - Pipe or not
10:05.51wethrinso it's treating it like: (rsh server vgls -o) | lsvg -Mi
10:06.03morsingOhhh!!! You're right
10:06.11morsingThe last bit is running locally
10:06.54wethrinrsh server (lsvg -o | lsvg -Mi) # may DTRT, but I'm not sure
10:07.10wethrin(or, well, ssh is what you're supposed to be using nowadays)
10:07.13morsingDTRT?
10:07.19wethrinDo The Right Thing
10:07.42morsingssh is no better than rsh - no sensitive information transferred
10:08.21wethrinferrnuff.
10:08.39morsingRight, () doesn't work at all
10:08.40wethrinas long as you're doing it all on your local network :)
10:09.04wethrinmm. Pipes are complete bastards when mixing remote and local
10:09.13morsing'' seems to work
10:09.28wethrinokay - as long as that's being run remotely :)
10:10.44morsingrsh wethrin echo "Beer"> /dev/mouth
10:10.52wethrinOi!
10:10.56wethrinThat's going to your own /dev/mouth
10:11.04morsingI know ;)
10:11.46morsingwethrin: IPS has admitted that my dead grand parents only vaguely affect my passport application!
10:12.02wethrinIPS?
10:12.11morsingSomething Passport Services
10:12.21wethrinwell, it's good that they don't affect it a lot!
10:12.23wethrink
10:12.27morsingIdentity & Passport Services
10:12.41wethrinah
10:13.42morsingwethrin: Where's Jenny?
10:14.05wethrinDurham. And you know this.
10:14.11morsing:-/
10:14.16morsingShe's not responding!
10:14.55wethrinwell, she might not be in front of her computer yet
10:15.10wethrinnot everyone responds within 10 minutes to email
10:15.30wethrinin fact, she may not even respond to your email, but merely note down the details
10:15.31morsingI demand undivided attention from everyone in the world!
10:15.41wethrinWe know
10:15.55wethrinOh, fuck off, eBay
10:16.19wethrin"Safari 3.0 is not a supported browser within the checkout flow." I'm sorry, but I've been using it for ages with your checkout flow
10:16.45morsingChange ident string
10:17.07wethrinSee, if I hit cancel on that dialog box, it works fine
10:17.21morsing:D
10:17.24morsingCheeky
10:18.50wethrinsigh. I never seem to have enough money :(
10:19.02morsinginvoices wethrin
10:19.05wethrinNO
10:19.14wethrinI should invoice you for the help today :)
10:19.18morsingSell your obos!
10:19.22morsingHelp?
10:19.24morsingOh!
10:19.25morsingruns
10:19.31wethrinthe pipes
10:19.47wethrinI only have one oboe, and I'm not selling it
10:19.55morsinginserts a sossidge into wethrin's pipe
10:20.14wethrin!
10:35.26j0nrwhy do I get a black screen when connecting remote desktop via VNC?
10:35.38wethrinscreensaver?
10:35.46morsingYou need to run it at the other end as well
10:35.47ChoHagPerhaps the remote has a box popped up asking the user whether to let you in.
10:35.48wethrintry moving the mouse
10:35.49ChoHagUsing vino?
10:35.54j0nrshouldn't it go off when I shake my mouse/press key?
10:36.01j0nryeah vino
10:36.01wethrinAlso, what ChoHag said
10:36.11wethrinThat's more likely
10:36.11j0nrjust standard from the menu, allow remote desktop etc
10:36.15morsingVNC sucks
10:36.24j0nrit may suck but it usually works
10:36.34ChoHagmorsing: But it sucks less than everything else which does what it does.
10:36.38morsingX
10:36.58wethrinX doesn't do what VNC does
10:37.00ChoHagX doesn't do what VNC does.
10:37.04ChoHagkaching.
10:37.05wethrinlooks at ChoHag
10:37.07wethrinMY LINE!
10:37.08j0nrbetter solution? from a windows machine back to my ubuntu machine?
10:37.14morsingj0nr: X
10:37.26morsingj0nr: Buy a Sunray
10:37.30j0nrI dont know what you mean ?
10:37.37ChoHagj0nr: Two monitors.
10:37.38wethrinX doesn't DTRT in this case, morsing
10:37.51j0nrHUH?
10:37.52morsingIt does
10:38.02wethrinX is fine for running an app remotely. But when the X server shuts down, so does the app
10:38.06j0nrim in work, want to remote desktop my computer at home
10:38.07morsingHe hasn't even said what the right thing is!
10:38.10j0nrusually vnc is fine..
10:38.11wethrinYes he did
10:38.25morsingNo he didn't - X does what he's said he wants
10:38.26wethrinVNC maintains state even when disconnected
10:38.37wethrinhe said 'remote desktop'
10:38.37morsing11:35 < j0nr> why do I get a black screen when connecting remote desktop via VNC?
10:38.45morsingYes, which X does
10:38.48ChoHagWhich is probably the most annoying thing I can think of about X.
10:39.06wethrinNo, X allows running applications remotely while viewing them locally
10:39.09wethrinDifferent think
10:39.11wethrin*thing
10:39.12morsingNo
10:39.13ChoHagI hate losing my desktop just to reboot and play some silly game.
10:39.31morsingwethrin: *sigh* XDM then!
10:39.54wethrinSure, when you log in with XDM, it still won't keep the same things running as when you logged out
10:39.59wethrinX doesn't keep state
10:40.01ChoHagThat's just /bin/login with a GUI.
10:40.01j0nraha... i used XDMCP before
10:40.04j0nrthat worked fine
10:40.05morsingWhich he never said he needed!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:40.28j0nrbut ... I am connecting....its just a black screen
10:40.38j0nrnot the grey screen with weird cross curser
10:40.41j0nrcursor
10:40.42morsingj0nr: Yeah, I'm not going to help you anymore...
10:40.47ChoHagj0nr: Try putting a keyboard in the linux box and pressing space.
10:40.49wethrinMaybe I've been using Windows too long......but Remote Desktop is where you log in, and get your local computer's desktop. As it would be ify ou were sitting in front of it
10:41.11morsingwethrin: I think you have...
10:41.59j0nrok i'm confused as to the responses after my question...
10:42.18wethrinSunrays are very cool though, if a bit slow nowadays
10:42.45ChoHagj0nr: What are you trying to achieve?
10:43.03ChoHagFor one, does remote mean 'somewhere else in the country' or 'next to me'?
10:43.37j0nrsomewhere else in the country
10:44.08j0nrthere is a pc running at home... I enabled remote desktop. now here at work I am using vncviewer on a windows machine
10:44.18ChoHagRunning Gnome?
10:44.30j0nrlets me enter password and I get no errors, but just a black screen with a cursor
10:44.39j0nrYeah Gnome
10:44.46ChoHagCan you SSH into the box?
10:44.54j0nryep
10:45.06ChoHagAre you SSHing and running xvncviewer inside the SSH session?
10:45.20j0nrno
10:45.26ChoHagGood. That sucks.
10:45.32j0nrjust a standalone exec. in windows
10:45.37ChoHagDo you have X locally or is it Windows?
10:45.55j0nrjust windows
10:46.08ChoHagHmm.
10:46.11ChoHagI need to get me a Gnome.
10:46.13ChoHagWait there.
10:46.46morsingCould be a firewall problem easily
10:47.06wethrinwouldn't the firewall disallow the initial connection, though?
10:47.08ChoHagUnlikely if the password is requested and a window is displayed.
10:47.20j0nrhas worked before into a different box
10:47.43ChoHagJust a moment. Wife's PC is booting...
10:47.46j0nrit looks like screensaver as suggested but won't clear
10:48.00ChoHag... And not getting an IP. Wtf?
10:48.15ChoHagI need to get my private LAN running again. Not enough IPs on this one.
10:49.54ChoHagBah. Why is hald hanging if the network's not there?
10:50.19ChoHagAll this modern software that's been stuck into Linux to support Windo^WGnome is crap.
10:50.20morsingBeer
10:50.37wethrinAll software sucks.
10:50.40wethrinIt's well known
10:50.49morsingDidn't use to
10:51.01morsingdip switch programming ftw!
10:51.01ChoHagYes it did.
10:51.05morsingNo...
10:51.11ChoHagIt may not have sucked quite as much, but it still sucked.
10:51.14wethrinDIP switch programming isn't really software :-P
10:51.19morsingWell...
10:51.23ChoHagIt's hurtware.
10:51.25wethrinthat's hardware fiddling, really
10:51.32morsingIt worked
10:55.15ChoHagRight.
10:55.22ChoHagj0nr: What does 'gconftool -g /desktop/gnome/remote_access/prompt_enabled' say?
10:58.19j0nrChoHag: I dont have that directory...
10:58.34ChoHagThat's good. It's not a directory.
10:58.45j0nrlol hold on
10:59.17j0nrfalse
10:59.26ChoHagWell it's not that then.
10:59.34j0nrno i remember not checking that
10:59.53j0nrcould it be dependant on whose logged into the box at home?
10:59.58ChoHagYes.
11:00.07j0nrthat may be it then
11:00.10ChoHagWho is?
11:00.16j0nrnot me
11:00.23morsingIt's me
11:00.27ChoHagIt's easy enough to take over if you can get a prompt owned by them.
11:00.29j0nrwell i am but not the current user
11:00.52j0nrcan i force them to log out...
11:00.59j0nrits not actively a person using it
11:01.08j0nrjust left in that state
11:01.13ChoHagYou don't need to.
11:01.19ChoHagCan you su to that user?
11:01.46j0nrim not sure how
11:01.58ChoHagAlthough if you've got a shell you don't really need remote access.
11:02.10ChoHagsu <user>
11:02.19j0nryeah i know that but it helps with internt browsing at work ;)
11:02.48j0nryes i can su that user
11:03.08ChoHagDo so, and run that gconftool again.
11:03.27j0nrremote desktop is not enabled for their log in
11:03.35j0nrunless doing it in onecovers all?
11:04.15j0nrreturns true
11:04.30ChoHagAlso .../enabled
11:04.38ChoHagThen gconftool -g /desktop/gnome/remote_access/vnc_password | perl -MMIME::Base64 -ne 'print decode_base64 ($_), "\n"' but don't tell us.
11:05.41j0nrdont tell you what/
11:05.56morsingj0nr: How's the kids?
11:06.11ChoHagWhat the password is, which that command will reveal.
11:06.25j0nr.../enabled = false
11:06.35j0nrmorsing: very good ta
11:06.56morsingBet you're glad they're back in school?
11:07.08ChoHagTurn it on gconftool -s /desktop/gnome/remote_access/enabled true --type boolean
11:07.16ChoHagAnd tho prompt off with a similar command
11:10.29j0nrwell one is only 3 months old
11:10.36j0nrso ill be glad when he just sleeps properly!
11:10.47morsing:)
11:10.54morsingWe have the same problem with wethrin
11:11.01morsingSleeping properly
11:11.07j0nrheh
11:11.13wethrinI sleep properly!
11:11.17morsing;)
11:12.57j0nrChoHag: the password one is blank
11:13.57ChoHagThat's good then.
11:14.30j0nrdo i need to set one?
11:14.36j0nras it asks for one
11:15.05j0nrauthentication failure!
11:15.13ChoHagIt would be easier not to at this point probably.
11:15.35ChoHagThough that it was disabled with no password and yet asked for one implies to me that your vnc client is doing clever things which are failing.
11:16.02j0nrshould i enable password? and if so... how ? :D
11:16.36morsingCheese
11:17.51ChoHagYou need to base64 encode the password and ensure passwords are being used.
11:18.02ChoHagIt's probably just easier to turn it off - gconftool -s /desktop/gnome/remote_access/authentication_methods '[none]' --type list --list-type string
11:18.15ChoHagThen set a password once you've got to the desktop with nivo-preferences.
11:18.17ChoHagvine
11:19.42j0nrit seems my viewer really wants a pasword
11:19.43wethrinaccuses morsing of being random again
11:20.09morsingdd if=/dev/randon of=/wethrin/brain
11:20.14morsingrandom
11:20.19wethrinradon!
11:21.38j0nrbrb
11:22.20ChoHaggconftool -s /desktop/gnome/remote_access/authentication_methods '[vnc]'  --type list --list-type string && gconftool -s /desktop/gnome/remote_access/vnc_password `perl -MMIME::Base64 -e 'print encode_base64 ("password")'` --type string
11:22.54morsingBless you
11:27.17ChoHagOh yeah - I have a job interview this afternoon.
11:28.03morsingCool - didn't know you were unemployed?
11:28.22ChoHagI'm not.
11:30.20ChoHagSometimes I think I'd rather be than stay where I am.
11:30.33morsingNice - you've been there for years though
11:30.36ChoHagIf only I didn't have to pay for living and internet and stuff.
11:30.42ChoHagUh about 5 months.
11:30.45morsing?
11:31.03morsingIt's more than 5 months ago we went to Bletchley
11:31.22ChoHagNo, that was years.
11:31.30morsingIt's more than 5 months ago we went to Bletchley
11:31.31bilarh_jesus christ, ftse 100 down 5% :S
11:31.43morsingbilarh_: Crab
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11:42.23morsingBlapto!
11:42.33BlaptoBlapto!
11:44.42wethrinWhat does Bletchley have to do with ChoHag's job?
11:44.55ChoHagI have no idea, but he gave be a lift there a few years ago.
11:45.09BlaptoIs he a taxi driver?
11:45.22ChoHagNot that I know of.
11:46.47j0nrbk
11:47.15BlaptoBecause that would explain giving people lifts to and fro.
11:47.39j0nrChoHag: does that command need to be all in one hit, or can it be split by the &&
11:47.54ChoHagEither way.
11:48.05j0nrits difficult for me to copy and paste it as it is spanning two lines and that seems to upset things here
11:50.07morsingwethrin: Well, as I recall he worked the same place when we went to Bletchley and he hasn't informed me otherwise
11:51.00wethrinAh. Well, he did change jobs some months back
11:51.10wethrinhe did mention it on #gllug a few times
11:51.17wethrinYou maynot have been aroudn at the time
11:51.26morsingNice - but at the time I didn't know that ChoHag = Matthew
11:51.44wethrinahhhh, well :)
11:52.02ChoHagA few?
11:52.29BlaptoWhy are we talking about ChoHag as if he isn't here?
11:53.02morsingChoHag: Yeah, why aren't you here?
11:54.21ChoHagshrugs
11:54.27morsing*sigh*
11:55.08wethrinChoHag: More than a few?
11:55.25ChoHagAlmost every other day I seem to recall.
11:56.18morsingBeer
11:57.25wethrinmaybe true
11:57.43wethrinponders an /ignore regexp for the word "Beer" on its own
11:57.54morsingBeer ftw
11:58.00wethrinthat's true
11:59.13ChoHagHmm. One giant mail partition, or split postfix onto its own?
11:59.41morsing?
12:00.39wethrinonto its own?
12:00.46wethrinYou mean, have /var/mail separate?
12:00.47ChoHagI think keep them together. No need to complicate things.
12:01.21ChoHagDo I put /var/mail (actually /var/{spool,lib}/cyrus) and /var/lib/postfix onte the same or separate partitions.
12:05.26antiphaseDoesn't make any difference as long as you have enough disk ops to go round
12:05.42antiphaseIf it's all on one disk, you fail anyway
12:06.37ChoHagIt's not. It's on (counts...) 7.
12:06.46ChoHagWould be 6, but I had to pretend 2 160s were one 360.
12:06.50ChoHag320
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12:21.02morsingdick_turpin!
12:39.49morsinghttp://www.bluedust.dontexist.com/bibliography/
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12:50.31morsingpopey!
12:50.34morsingrhowe!
12:51.06popeynetsplit :(
12:51.10morsing:((
13:05.51kraptvthe ghost of lilo.
13:06.05Stephmwpoltergeist!
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13:20.43morsingpopey!
13:22.07popey:)
13:22.16morsingpopey: How are the kids?
13:23.09popeyvery well thank you morsing
13:23.14popeyjust both had birthdays - 2 and 5
13:23.20popeylots of cake \o/
13:23.23morsingNice :)  Back to school then?
13:23.27morsingWoo - cake :)
13:23.32popeyyeah
13:23.52popeywe had a bouncy castle - i had a sly bounce in the name of QA
13:24.08morsing:)
13:25.51kjsis there any truth behind burning cds slower = better/ stronger burn / disc is read better by players...
13:26.33wethrinNo
13:32.04j0nrChoHag: didnt work... will wait til i get home and just switch users
13:32.15j0nrChoHag: thanks for your help tho
13:39.41kjswethrin: you replying to me?
13:41.02morsingkjs: Yes
13:43.17wethrinkjs: Yes
13:44.20mindbendrnagios 2.x or 3.x ?
13:49.48kraptvWhere would you guys go for a cheap HDMI to DVI adaptor locally?
13:50.03morsingGreggs
13:50.17kjshum, i wouldjust order from cpc next day ?
13:50.34kraptvBeer!
13:50.51morsingkraptv: How inappropriate!
13:50.56kraptvheh heh heh.
13:51.01kraptv:-)
13:51.52morsingkraptv: What's for tea?
13:52.03kraptvOoh, HobNobs!
13:52.15kraptvthe caramel kind!
13:52.23kjstea thats a great idea
13:52.24BlaptoHOBNOOOOOBS
13:52.24morsingThat's a light tea...?!
13:52.37morsingHopboobs
13:54.27ChoHagWhat's a Hobnoob?
13:55.31wethrinSoemone who's new to hobnobs?
13:55.35wethrinhobn00b
13:56.13morsingCawfy
13:56.38Blaptobeer
14:04.39kraptvG&T!
14:05.50morsingCrumpets!
14:06.44morsingNo?
14:07.03Blaptobeer
16:24.42kraptv<PROTECTED>
16:24.45kraptvwhoops!
16:25.08morsingYuck
16:25.52kraptv:-( sorry
16:26.20Blaptotea
16:26.21defaultIRCuser44hi im new to irc
16:26.34wethrinlol newb!! OMG111! kthxbbq!1!
16:26.35BlaptodefaultIRCuser44: there's a really cool command
16:26.40wethrin/disco stu
16:26.46wethrinMakes your IRC client light up
16:27.17BlaptoTry /part #gllug and it will kick someone at random
16:31.04AndyMillarcool, i never knew that
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16:50.05mindbendrhave a good evening all
17:18.14morsingpawel!
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18:32.02morsingStephmw!
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20:29.38morsingcruzzle!
20:29.40morsingj!
20:29.42morsingis!
20:39.34cruzzleCawfy
20:45.08morsingTea
20:45.21morsing(I'm British now)
20:45.30cruzzleCongrats! what were you before?
20:45.47morsingDanish
20:46.03morsingYou're the *first* one who's responded with "Congrats"!¬
20:46.18morsingMost people just go "WHY?!?!?!"
20:47.30cruzzleDanish! No more salty licorice for you!
20:47.48Nafallohow many years do one need to have lived here?
20:47.52cruzzleDo you know the band Danseorkestret?
20:48.27halisounds very danish
20:49.06halienglish citizenship, nevah'
20:49.19halino advantage over most other contries
20:49.27haliin wester europe anyway
20:49.32haliperhaps over like romania
20:49.48cruzzleromania with all of those hot pale girls and cryptic curses!
20:50.28halithe girls, given that they are willing to please us, are welcome to imigrate
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20:50.52haliphew, perfect timing on that one
20:50.58morsingboudiccas!
20:51.03morsinghali: you're missing the point
20:51.20halienlighten me
20:51.20morsingNafallo: Five years but you must have exercised your treaty right for six
20:51.59morsinghali: When you hate your home country with all your guts it gives you a nasty feeling having their nationality to your name
20:52.53halifair enough
20:53.08morsingAnd I finally feel free
20:53.11halii don't see why though
20:53.26haliyou must have had some really bad pölse or something
20:53.31morsinghali: Well, you're not Danish so will never understand
20:54.02halii do like denmark and most danish people
20:54.07haliskagern is nice
20:54.13haligood light
20:54.26morsingBut you're not Danish so you'll never understand
20:54.34morsingAnd you don't like me...
20:54.35halii do respect your view on denmark
20:54.44morsingI'm glad :)
20:54.47sabinef72hi all
20:54.49halii can't say i like japan
20:54.50morsingsabinef72!
20:55.01morsingJapan is the most amazing place I've ever been
20:55.21halii don't like the fake culture
20:55.27haliit all feel so fake
20:55.28morsingIt's not fake
20:55.36halivery special and interesting at first
20:55.50morsingIt's a culture that hasn't been americanised like everywhere else
20:55.54sabinef72morsing: when did you go in Japan ?
20:56.00morsingsabinef72: 2001
20:56.06sabinef72I didn't know
20:56.13morsingsabinef72: I'm sure you did :)
20:56.36morsingsabinef72: Sorry I didn't send you a postcard :(
20:56.41sabinef72ah ah
20:56.46halifake
20:56.49boudiccasthey had to take him back in 2002 to apologise for all the things that he'd gotten wrong
20:57.12morsingDenmark is certainly fake - americaphiles
20:57.13haliall the "good" stuff in japan has got a backside, like low crime etc
20:57.22morsingOMG
20:57.24halithye have low crime rates as they sweep lots of crime under the carpet
20:57.31morsingRight, time for bed - no more rubbish
20:57.50halistrict border control etc, still tehy let morsing in ;)
20:58.32boudiccaseverybody makes a mistake now and again
20:58.36haliyes
20:58.43sabinef72nn morsing
20:58.47haliprostitution is a big 'problem' in japan
20:58.53boudiccasnn morsing old chap
20:58.56halithey don't see it as a problem tho, im not sure why my view is tbh
20:59.09halii do feel sorry for the girls
20:59.18hali(and probably a few male prossies too)
20:59.58boudiccasbut they have ahistory of geisha girls, its part of their culture
21:00.02halibut compared to the alternatives it's probably not that bad
21:00.13sabinef72same in Thailand
21:00.28cruzzlemorsing, so no to Danseorkestret?
21:00.34haliso it's acceptable and we should respect it just becuase it's 'history'?
21:00.36cruzzleor salty licorice?
21:01.01haliwhat about the poor girls who get abused by fat disgusting men
21:01.34sabinef72what about the poor kids who get abused by fat disgusting men in Thailand ?
21:02.03halisame there, we shouldn't accept it just because it's "mainstream" and it happens all the time
21:02.11halistill sick
21:02.24sabinef72true
21:02.27boudiccasanybody notice how gary glitter hs dropped off the radar since he returned to the uk
21:02.48halii hope he stays under the radar, i have no interest in him
21:02.59halias long as he keeps to himself
21:03.01sabinef72who is Gary Glitter ?
21:03.07haliwhat did glitter say to jacko?
21:03.18boudiccasan aging 70's rock pop star
21:03.18hali"i'll trade you two fivers for a tenner"
21:03.28haliso wrong
21:03.30sabinef72oh
21:03.52halihe was convited for some pedo stuff in thailand a few years ago, now released and back in england
21:04.00haliconvicted*
21:04.16boudiccaswho got realised from thailand prison about a month ago and tried to go to several far eastern countries but they refused to accept him, so eventually he ahd no option but to come back to the uk and afce the music
21:04.17sabinef72arg
21:04.21boudiccas*face
21:04.55halihe's a real creap
21:05.28boudiccasi liked the stage persona of garry glitter but not the real person behind it all
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21:05.37boudiccasevening DiscordianUK
21:06.26DiscordianUKgood evening
21:06.38DiscordianUKfinally gets back online
21:07.00boudiccasproblems?
21:08.44DiscordianUKyeah router lost it'sconfig
21:09.21cpufreakhow did that take you a week to fix?
21:09.25DiscordianUKand i'd forgotten the router password
21:09.40DiscordianUKit hasn't taken me a week
21:10.11DiscordianUKit took an hour or so today find my notes
21:11.59halii hope we have no lehmans employees here :)
21:12.37DiscordianUKhave they started jumping out of windows yet?
21:13.03halii hope not
21:13.12haliwe lost about $2m pa in business
21:13.28DiscordianUKouch
21:13.48haliwell, risk loosing anyway, very likely
21:14.06haliunless the buyer takes on our systems
21:14.10haliif ther will be a buyer :)
21:14.26DiscordianUKmaybe it's chapter 21 anything could happen
21:35.06cruzzlejoin #orlug
21:35.12cruzzleI had an 8GB but I think I lost it. :-(
21:35.19cruzzlein the move.
21:36.40DiscordianUKan 8gb what?
21:36.53DiscordianUKand wtf is #orlug
21:37.27cruzzleAww shit!
21:37.34cruzzlewhy do I keep doing that today!
21:37.41cruzzleI am honestly horrible!
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