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| 05:12.38 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 05:12.50 | Leeds | afternoon morsy-baby |
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| 07:16.50 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 07:56.06 | morsing | Leeds: Why did Andy leave? |
| 07:56.32 | Leeds | because it was time... |
| 07:56.36 | Leeds | everybody leaves |
| 07:57.31 | zaarg | is now a student again |
| 07:57.34 | zaarg | raves |
| 07:57.43 | zaarg | morning :) |
| 07:58.21 | morsing | zaarg! |
| 07:58.49 | morsing | Leeds: My DRLs are out |
| 07:59.09 | Leeds | oh dear... have you spoken to a doctor? |
| 08:08.44 | morsing | Leeds: I am broccoli! |
| 08:10.50 | Leeds | I ate lettuce |
| 08:11.22 | morsing | Roz: Why can.t more men be like you? You are exactly what women are looking for. |
| 08:11.22 | morsing | Frasier: Yeah.Women I date don.t seem to know that. |
| 08:11.22 | morsing | Roz: Some women don't know what.s good for them. |
| 08:11.22 | morsing | Frasier: Terrific(!) I.m the broccoli of dating. |
| 08:11.32 | morsing | Leeds: That's my problem unfortunately |
| 08:13.43 | Leeds | ah, that |
| 08:13.59 | hali | oh, so not aresenic? :) |
| 08:14.22 | morsing | No... |
| 08:15.56 | Leeds | morsing: so, paintball on October 26th? |
| 08:16.19 | morsing | Sure - can Lynda come? If she hasn't dumped me by then |
| 08:16.55 | Leeds | of course she can |
| 08:17.02 | morsing | :)) |
| 08:23.06 | bilarh | oh man, i was out cycling for 8 hours yesterday |
| 08:23.14 | bilarh | minus a pub stop and a short tube journey |
| 08:23.21 | bilarh | i feel like i dropped the soap :( |
| 08:27.04 | morsing | !! |
| 08:30.05 | hali | bilarh: great feeling isn't it... so fulfilled |
| 08:37.33 | bilarh | indeed |
| 08:37.52 | morsing | shags bilarh |
| 08:38.02 | morsing | bilarh: When's your leaving do btw? |
| 08:38.11 | bilarh | what bloody leaving do? |
| 08:38.21 | bilarh | you've asked this already, and the answer is still the same, there isn't a leaving do :) |
| 08:38.33 | morsing | *sigh* Do I really need to find it *again* and paste it here? |
| 08:38.35 | Leeds | bilarh: you're leaving? |
| 08:38.43 | bilarh | *waaaah* |
| 08:38.48 | morsing | *sigh* |
| 08:38.57 | bilarh | i'm going on hols |
| 08:39.03 | bilarh | but that's not exactly "leaving" |
| 08:39.51 | morsing | bilarh: It's because you done want me to come, isn't it? |
| 08:40.18 | Leeds | you're leaving, and you're not taking morsing with you! |
| 08:40.19 | bilarh | no i'm not having a leaving do |
| 08:40.27 | bilarh | sobs violently |
| 08:43.28 | morsing | bilarh: Do you still love me? |
| 08:43.55 | bilarh | only if you have a massive rack |
| 08:44.00 | bilarh | and if you're up for it |
| 08:44.07 | morsing | I have a long... erm... |
| 08:44.42 | kjs | Is there any scripts for adding multipul ldap users to a system? |
| 08:45.56 | zaarg | where's bilarh going? |
| 08:46.29 | morsing | zaarg: He's leaving |
| 08:47.07 | antiphase | kjs: I think the point of LDAP is that you add the users into the LDAP database |
| 08:47.45 | kjs | antiphase: ...yeah |
| 08:48.27 | morsing | Does anyone know if a car fails the MOT if it has a hole in the floor? |
| 08:48.56 | zaarg | ... |
| 08:49.11 | zaarg | if you can put your foot through it... |
| 08:49.16 | morsing | ? |
| 08:49.53 | morsing | Then it will pass? |
| 08:50.05 | morsing | Well, it should pass, it's not in a structural area |
| 08:51.00 | morsing | I'm glad you all agree |
| 08:51.09 | antiphase | Depends where it is and how big it is |
| 08:51.20 | morsing | It's in the middle and A5 sized |
| 08:51.35 | antiphase | I think you might want to patch it then |
| 08:52.14 | morsing | Which rule says that? |
| 08:52.28 | antiphase | Probably the one about discretion |
| 08:52.41 | morsing | ?? |
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| 09:09.09 | morsing | Stephmw! |
| 09:20.24 | morsing | Two engineering students were walking across a university campus when one said, 'Where did you get such a great bike?' |
| 09:20.27 | morsing | The second engineer replied, 'Well, I was walking along yesterday, minding my own business, when a beautiful woman rode up on this bike, threw it to the ground, took off all her clothes and said, 'Take what you want.' |
| 09:20.31 | morsing | The first engineer nodded approvingly and said, 'Good choice; the clothes probably wouldn't have fitted you anyway.' |
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| 09:29.50 | morsing | mindbendr! |
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| 09:36.38 | morsing | Blapto! |
| 09:36.53 | Blapto | Tea! |
| 09:59.07 | morsing | Beer |
| 10:12.44 | bilarh | morsing: i'd say it'd fail |
| 10:12.54 | bilarh | morsing: your volvo's a goner |
| 10:18.35 | morsing | bilarh: It is? Why? And why would it fail? |
| 10:22.33 | morsing | I don't actually think it says anywhere that you can't have a hole in the floor - I might try to find evidence though |
| 10:23.26 | morsing | "Vehicle structure - free from excessive corrosion or damage in specific areas. No sharp edges" |
| 10:24.13 | morsing | Keyword is "specific areas" |
| 10:24.37 | morsing | Oh! Jules will know! |
| 10:27.18 | wethrin | Does your hole have a sharp edge? |
| 10:27.53 | wethrin | Also, not all MOT testers are equal |
| 10:28.38 | morsing | The sharp edge rule is for other road users but hmm... not really. |
| 10:28.50 | morsing | My MOT garage is pretty thorough |
| 10:29.31 | morsing | I do however, need to ask them if they'll ignore my illegal indicators |
| 10:31.14 | bilarh | someone threw oil http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7625173.stm |
| 10:31.17 | bilarh | damnit |
| 10:31.19 | bilarh | http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7625173.stm |
| 10:31.25 | bilarh | get back in the kitchen and make me some pie! |
| 10:31.27 | wethrin | Eh, just change the bulbs around |
| 10:31.38 | morsing | wethrin: Ermm... Not quite that simple |
| 10:32.19 | morsing | wethrin: If I could find some six pin connectors I could make a system where I could plug it in to a differently wired connector for the MOT |
| 10:32.42 | wethrin | www.maplin.co.uk - HTH |
| 10:32.43 | wethrin | :) |
| 10:32.46 | morsing | :) |
| 10:32.59 | morsing | wethrin: Care to help? |
| 10:34.00 | wethrin | ENOTIME# |
| 10:34.39 | morsing | Don't have anything relevant at Maplin |
| 10:36.19 | wethrin | RS? Farnell? |
| 10:39.45 | morsing | No :( |
| 11:02.18 | hali | hm, selinux is rather nice |
| 11:02.29 | hali | once i actually found audit2why |
| 11:02.49 | hali | running it full blown on our jboss servers now |
| 11:03.38 | wethrin | You're about the only person I know who likes it |
| 11:08.44 | mindbendr | i like it as well |
| 11:17.59 | z00dax | me too, i use selinux everywhere |
| 11:19.53 | hali | i've used the default'ish templates for apache reverse proxies for a few years |
| 11:20.13 | hali | but finally got around to write my own profiles for random things |
| 11:20.36 | mindbendr | that's cool |
| 11:21.00 | mindbendr | it would be hard to distribute all the new stuff to the servers though |
| 11:21.40 | mindbendr | the current rules are good enough for general security purposes i think, at least it prevents people to change the permissions in a bad way |
| 11:22.06 | mindbendr | the funny thing is, they don't use it at redhat co. |
| 11:23.18 | antiphase | Puppet is what you want for config distribution |
| 11:24.55 | mindbendr | yeah i wish I could have it. |
| 11:25.54 | mindbendr | but the rest of the IT ppl need to be good enough to manage it, since they are not, they don't have a tendency to use anything advanced, even they are too afraid (and don't know) how to compile stuff so they use 3rd party repos etc |
| 11:29.27 | antiphase | ThereÅ not much you can do about institutional stupidity |
| 11:30.45 | morsing | Beer |
| 11:30.48 | hali | i tend to agree with your colleauges about that one, if there are (maintained) pkgs in a repo why should you compile your own |
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| 11:34.34 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 11:34.43 | morsing | dick_turpin: Are you coming to bilarh's leaving do? |
| 11:35.29 | dick_turpin | MoNo seeing as he never wished me Happy Birthday for yesterday |
| 11:36.54 | morsing | :(( |
| 11:37.02 | morsing | dick_turpin: Thanks for inviting me btw |
| 11:38.41 | dick_turpin | morsing: Seeing as I spent most of the day throwing up due to food poisoning I don't think you'd have enjoyed it |
| 11:41.48 | morsing | Sounds like fun |
| 11:42.36 | mindbendr | hali: well if someone breaks in one of that repos, since they are not official repos and if those ppl are not getting paid for maintaining it |
| 11:43.09 | mindbendr | hali: it's be a concern besides it may break the other packages if it's not really maintainted good |
| 11:43.17 | mindbendr | *it'd be a concern |
| 11:43.40 | hali | run it via the staging servers first |
| 11:43.45 | hali | but yes, sure, could be a risk |
| 11:44.10 | mindbendr | hali: besides I've set up nagios here, there's no rpm for nagios 3.x |
| 11:44.22 | mindbendr | hali: so we had to install nagios 2.x from rpmforge |
| 11:44.38 | mindbendr | hali: since they can't afford compiling and maintaining it |
| 11:44.56 | mindbendr | hali: and installing from a 3rd party rpm wouldn't be nice |
| 11:45.13 | antiphase | Run your own build and packaging server then |
| 11:45.15 | mindbendr | and nagios 2.x is really ancient |
| 11:45.29 | mindbendr | antiphase: yeah I'd do that but this is my last week in this company :) |
| 11:45.47 | mindbendr | antiphase: if they don't extend my contract so.. |
| 11:46.15 | mindbendr | antiphase: but probably online wise security is the least concern of them, someone broke in to the building in the weekend |
| 11:46.18 | mindbendr | lol |
| 11:46.46 | antiphase | Ah, contractors are supposed to leave a load of unmaintainable shit behind anyway |
| 11:47.40 | mindbendr | antiphase: yeah I just like the guys, they are having a hard time since they don't have almost any idea about linux and doing webhosting and providing some services for the image assestmen software |
| 11:48.11 | mindbendr | i don't understand how this kinda companies manage to earn loads of money. |
| 11:48.41 | hali | perhaps they are really skilled, but in a different way than you are |
| 11:48.42 | mindbendr | you have got ~30 servers but you don't have a proper sys admin |
| 11:48.59 | mindbendr | hali: no it's not the case really.. |
| 11:49.33 | mindbendr | hali: they hired me because they wanted to move the servers from 1 data center to another one |
| 11:49.53 | mindbendr | hali: since they don't have any confidince about doing that.. so imagine the rest, even there's no dns server |
| 11:50.01 | mindbendr | and they have got all the ips in their mind |
| 11:50.01 | morsing | sneezes |
| 11:50.25 | mindbendr | i don't really get it. |
| 11:50.33 | hali | what? the best solution is to maintain a 14Mb /etc/hosts file |
| 11:50.47 | hali | and scp it in cron |
| 11:51.00 | mindbendr | hali: the funny thing is |
| 11:51.03 | hali | thats what they used to do for business unit here until we sold them |
| 11:51.07 | mindbendr | hali: for internal purposes yeah that's true |
| 11:51.35 | mindbendr | hali: but since they let register.com etc to run dns for several hosts so migrating the network to some other address is not the best practice |
| 11:51.39 | mindbendr | besides they do ip based virtual hosting |
| 11:51.45 | mindbendr | since they don't have dns |
| 11:51.58 | mindbendr | so moving the stuff without downtime is a pain in the ass |
| 11:52.10 | mindbendr | forwarding all the service ports to some other ip etc |
| 11:52.16 | morsing | mindbendr: Ham sandwich? |
| 11:52.25 | mindbendr | morsing: no thanks |
| 11:52.58 | mindbendr | morsing: you seem so relaxed nowadays, sounds like you found a job eventually |
| 11:58.17 | morsing | Nice |
| 11:58.20 | morsing | I'm bored |
| 11:59.21 | morsing | mindbendr: http://www.mckesson.co.uk/ |
| 12:03.03 | morsing | mindbendr? |
| 12:03.29 | wethrin | morsing: You're always bored |
| 12:03.34 | morsing | I know |
| 12:04.53 | mindbendr | morsing: is that where u work? |
| 12:06.42 | morsing | Yes |
| 12:06.53 | mindbendr | morsing: cool, contract or permanent? |
| 12:07.01 | morsing | Contract |
| 12:07.24 | morsing | :) |
| 12:07.39 | mindbendr | morsing: cool |
| 12:07.50 | mindbendr | morsing: do you work with an umbrella company? |
| 12:08.02 | morsing | No -ltd |
| 12:08.09 | mindbendr | good stuff |
| 12:08.20 | mindbendr | they are just ripping me off |
| 12:08.26 | morsing | Who? |
| 12:08.32 | morsing | Don't ever go with umbrellas |
| 12:08.46 | mindbendr | i don't have any other option to do contract work atm |
| 12:09.06 | morsing | mindbendr: Give these guys a call and they'll sort you out in no-time: http://www.broome-co.com/ |
| 12:09.12 | wethrin | Umbrellas aren't very good. The wind keeps breaking them. |
| 12:09.23 | mindbendr | morsing: for ltd co? |
| 12:09.36 | morsing | Yes - they'll set it all up for you |
| 12:09.46 | morsing | And do all the accountancy |
| 12:09.47 | mindbendr | morsing: no the problem is, I'm an international student in UK |
| 12:09.51 | morsing | And?? |
| 12:10.04 | mindbendr | morsing: so I'm not allowed to set up a co afaik |
| 12:10.06 | wethrin | How international? |
| 12:10.10 | wethrin | EU? Non-EU? |
| 12:10.11 | mindbendr | i'm from Turkey |
| 12:10.13 | morsing | Of course you are... Why not? |
| 12:10.13 | mindbendr | non-eu |
| 12:10.14 | wethrin | Ah |
| 12:10.22 | morsing | I can't see why not |
| 12:10.34 | mindbendr | morsing: student visa, only part-time work allowed during the studies |
| 12:10.43 | antiphase | You might need to be naturalised before they'll let you be a director |
| 12:10.48 | mindbendr | morsing: so setting up your company is something else when you compare to part-time woork |
| 12:10.49 | morsing | antiphase: Rubbish |
| 12:11.05 | antiphase | Hence why I said "might" |
| 12:11.07 | morsing | mindbendr: I don't think registering a company is considered work |
| 12:11.15 | wethrin | I think you still need to be eligible to work in this country, though, to set up a company here |
| 12:11.19 | antiphase | I'd ope we don't let random foreigners come in and set up organised crime companies |
| 12:11.23 | morsing | I was a director before I was naturalised |
| 12:11.29 | wethrin | morsing: But you were an EU citizen |
| 12:11.33 | wethrin | Therefore entitled to workhere |
| 12:11.39 | morsing | wethrin: Irrelevant |
| 12:11.44 | wethrin | Absolutely not irrelevant |
| 12:11.51 | mindbendr | morsing: nah i can't work -permament-, self-employed etc |
| 12:11.52 | morsing | Absolutely is |
| 12:11.59 | morsing | mindbendr: Right |
| 12:12.13 | morsing | http://einstyn.com/einstyn1/chassis-rear-04-22-03a.jpg |
| 12:12.16 | mindbendr | but it's ok when I finish my studies |
| 12:12.21 | morsing | Odd |
| 12:12.39 | z00dax | you can actually start a Ltd firm here in the UK even if you are not entitled to work here yourself |
| 12:12.47 | mindbendr | z00dax: it is true |
| 12:13.18 | z00dax | but you cant pay yourself here in the UK :D |
| 12:13.25 | morsing | Yeah - I'd have thought the two things had nothing to do with each other |
| 12:13.42 | mindbendr | z00dax: if you are not student |
| 12:13.47 | z00dax | also, you might find that the terms of business loans are much favourable if you are not a Brit National or an EU citizen. |
| 12:14.04 | z00dax | mindbendr: I dont think being a student has anything to do with it, you just need to be an 'adult' |
| 12:14.21 | mindbendr | z00dax: turkey and uk has got an agreement so we can set up a company but my visa is student at the moment so there's no point |
| 12:14.30 | z00dax | <disclaimer> my info is all pre 2005, i hear much rules were changed post 21/7 |
| 12:14.46 | mindbendr | z00dax: no it's the visa restriction |
| 12:15.02 | mindbendr | z00dax: if you study full-time in a course, you are not entitled to do that stuff |
| 12:15.19 | z00dax | by whom |
| 12:15.23 | morsing | http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=21016 |
| 12:15.24 | mindbendr | z00dax: basicly you don't have `work-permit` exceeding part-time hours |
| 12:15.26 | morsing | There you go |
| 12:15.36 | z00dax | mindbendr: who said you haveto work in your company ? |
| 12:15.50 | morsing | Having a company != work |
| 12:15.51 | z00dax | plenty of people own stock in firms they wont work in |
| 12:16.07 | z00dax | yes, like morsing said |
| 12:16.30 | mindbendr | hmm |
| 12:17.00 | morsing | Beer |
| 12:18.13 | z00dax | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:21.45 | mindbendr | You can take part-time or holiday work, but you must not: |
| 12:21.45 | mindbendr | * work for more than 20 hours a week during term time unless your placement is part of your studies, has been agreed with your educational institution and leads to a degree or qualification awarded by a nationally recognised examining body * do business, be self-employed or provide services as a professional sportsperson or entertainer, or * work full-time in a permanent job. |
| 12:22.17 | mindbendr | so *do business means `can not set up a ltd co`? |
| 12:22.27 | z00dax | mindbendr: no |
| 12:22.51 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 12:23.20 | morsing | mindbendr: self-employed does |
| 12:23.36 | mindbendr | morsing: ? |
| 12:23.45 | mindbendr | i'm confused |
| 12:23.58 | morsing | It says you must not be self-employed |
| 12:23.58 | mindbendr | i can't be self employed but can set up a company? how's that fair |
| 12:24.07 | morsing | No you can't |
| 12:24.14 | morsing | I don't think |
| 12:24.39 | wethrin | The way you phrased it, I'd read it as: |
| 12:24.39 | morsing | Maybe they'll let you register it but not do work for it |
| 12:24.56 | wethrin | "(Do business, be self-employed or provide services) as a professional sportsperson or entertainer" |
| 12:25.23 | wethrin | Rather than "Do business, be self-employed or (provide services as a professional...)" |
| 12:25.42 | Blapto | Is anybody here a member of the BCS? |
| 12:25.45 | mindbendr | it says be self employed -or- provide services as pro sports person etc |
| 12:25.46 | morsing | No |
| 12:26.34 | wethrin | Eww, BCS. Bunch of middle-managing suits who think Linux is a brand of toilet cleaner |
| 12:26.43 | mindbendr | what's the difference working permanent and contract then, I can do a permanent contract in part-time basis? |
| 12:26.55 | morsing | Yes |
| 12:27.05 | morsing | Via an umbrella comnpany |
| 12:27.18 | mindbendr | but not as a contractor? |
| 12:27.19 | wethrin | You can be contracted to 20 hours per week |
| 12:27.23 | mindbendr | uh |
| 12:27.30 | morsing | mindbendr: Contractor has nothing to do with it |
| 12:27.35 | mindbendr | if anybody hears such a position, please let me know |
| 12:27.40 | mindbendr | nobody wants a part-time sys admin |
| 12:27.42 | morsing | mindbendr: LOL :) |
| 12:28.03 | mindbendr | funny thing, i can work full-time not during my studies |
| 12:28.05 | morsing | No-one wants anyone at the moment. Market is dead |
| 12:28.10 | mindbendr | so it includes christmas and easter! |
| 12:28.13 | mindbendr | and the summer :) |
| 12:28.25 | mindbendr | i can work in the easter, that's great. |
| 12:29.07 | mindbendr | facebook was hiring |
| 12:29.09 | wethrin | mindbendr: That's not really a funny thing - outside termtimes, your time is your own. So if you need to earn money to live, that's entirely reasonable |
| 12:29.25 | mindbendr | they didn't want me part-time ;) |
| 12:30.17 | mindbendr | wethrin: yeah but working in a bank holiday wouldn't compensate your life |
| 12:30.24 | wethrin | True |
| 12:30.47 | mindbendr | for instance, i had 2 days class last year |
| 12:30.53 | morsing | Cawfy |
| 12:31.31 | mindbendr | so 5 days left that i could work but not allowed |
| 12:32.32 | mindbendr | off to lunch |
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| 13:05.39 | bilarh | bring on friday |
| 13:05.49 | bilarh | has a massive head ache |
| 13:06.32 | morsing | bilarh: Is Friday when your leaving do is? |
| 13:07.02 | bilarh | yes |
| 13:07.14 | bilarh | 7pm, brick lane |
| 13:07.19 | wethrin | CURRY! |
| 13:07.29 | morsing | Yuck |
| 13:07.34 | bilarh | still doesnt' understand all this talk of leaving do's |
| 13:07.42 | morsing | bilarh: Really? I'll be there! Screw Diggerland! |
| 13:07.48 | morsing | Nothing beats a good curry |
| 13:08.14 | wethrin | morsing clearly has a split personality |
| 13:08.18 | bilarh | *there* *is* *no* *leaving* *do* |
| 13:08.46 | bilarh | wethrin: hrm, maybe an idiot has hi-jacked his account ;-) |
| 13:09.08 | wethrin | surely not! :) |
| 13:09.39 | morsing | http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/64elcamino/77%20Nova%20project/engine/ACbracket1.jpg |
| 13:16.58 | kjs | air con bracket for a nova? |
| 13:19.57 | morsing | ? |
| 13:20.24 | morsing | kjs: He's converting to a serpentine system (God know why but...) |
| 13:30.42 | kjs | hum |
| 13:30.51 | kjs | effort |
| 13:33.14 | kjs | Hum I writing a bash script... I need to set a users password in the script, atm the script prompts for the password and asks for it twice (im using smbldap-passwd, it works just like passwd but for ldap). How would i give it the password, I don't want to type it as I am adding loads of users I want it to read the password from a variable. |
| 13:34.58 | morsing | kjs: Ar eyou going to bilarh's leaving do? |
| 13:35.34 | wethrin | kjs: Fiddle with expect scripting there |
| 13:35.54 | kjs | morsing: why are you going to kill me for asking stupid bash related script questions? |
| 13:36.09 | bilarh | kjs: expect is the shit for this, honestly |
| 13:36.15 | kjs | wethrin: expect that's it! |
| 13:36.44 | wethrin | It *may* work if you do something like: |
| 13:36.47 | wethrin | passwd << EOF |
| 13:36.49 | wethrin | newpass |
| 13:36.51 | wethrin | EOF |
| 13:37.10 | morsing | bilarh: Beer |
| 13:37.11 | antiphase | Write it using proper libraries in a scripting language that's not completely featureless |
| 13:37.26 | antiphase | #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 13:37.38 | kjs | yeah i dont know perl well enough... |
| 13:37.46 | wethrin | Yeah. By the time you work out how to do it in Perl, you'd have done it manually |
| 13:37.48 | kjs | dont have time to learn it atm. |
| 13:39.01 | antiphase | Too busy sleeping at night, eh? |
| 13:40.02 | kjs | to busy with music & fishing :) |
| 13:43.05 | mindbendr | it's easy to code in perl without learning it |
| 13:43.36 | Leeds | mindbendr: just bang your head on your keyboard a few times and add a #! line? |
| 13:43.45 | wethrin | dd if=/dev/random bs=512 count=1 | perl |
| 13:43.58 | Blapto | -e ? |
| 13:44.06 | wethrin | yeah |
| 13:44.12 | morsing | Beer |
| 13:44.49 | mindbendr | Leeds: lol i did good stuff in perl to generate gnome desktop configs for specific folders |
| 13:45.16 | mindbendr | actuall all I wanted to do was searching for folder.jpgs and assign them for the folder icon in gconf |
| 13:45.37 | mindbendr | it was fun really, i like perl. |
| 13:45.52 | Leeds | I do python |
| 13:46.04 | wethrin | awk FTW! |
| 13:46.09 | mindbendr | it's a shame though natulius doesn't assign the folder.jpgs automatically |
| 13:46.28 | mindbendr | *nautilus |
| 13:51.20 | mindbendr | kjs: there's a mkpasswd binary in one of the packages, you can use it if it supports stdinput etc |
| 13:52.37 | mindbendr | in this one, expect.i386 : A program-script interaction and testing utility |
| 14:02.27 | kjs | mindbendr: i need to use smbldap-passwd not passwd . |
| 14:05.34 | morsing | curry ftw |
| 14:09.31 | mindbendr | kjs: it doesn't mess with /etc/passwd, this one generates password according to your needs but if you have a txt presenting the passwords then doing it with perl wouldn't take too much time really. |
| 14:10.12 | kjs | mindbendr: thanks for help, but iv done it with expect in a couple mins :D |
| 14:10.55 | mindbendr | kjs: that's better then ;) |
| 14:11.09 | morsing | Cawfy |
| 14:11.31 | morsing | mindbendr: Is bilarh trying to run away from his leaving do responsibilities? |
| 14:12.02 | mindbendr | morsing: what was he supposed to do |
| 14:12.11 | mindbendr | morsing: buying b33rs or something? |
| 14:12.17 | morsing | Arrange a night and but us all beer |
| 14:12.22 | morsing | Indeed! |
| 14:12.30 | morsing | s/but/buy/ |
| 14:12.42 | mindbendr | how does he manage to escape then |
| 14:31.57 | flips_and_rails | i am going to run a linux stall at our fresher's fair. anyone know where i can get a load of promotional/free linux related stuff to give away? |
| 14:32.07 | wethrin | Ubuntu |
| 14:32.17 | wethrin | They'll give you a load of free CDs to give away |
| 14:32.35 | flips_and_rails | yes takes up to 10 weeks apparently?! |
| 14:32.44 | wethrin | Sod's Law :) |
| 14:32.52 | wethrin | Ask SUSE nicely |
| 14:33.07 | flips_and_rails | hmmmm, might just write a load of emails then |
| 14:33.08 | wethrin | They used to be quite student-friendly |
| 14:33.37 | flips_and_rails | thanks :) |
| 14:33.41 | zaarg | UCL fresher's fair? |
| 14:33.46 | Leeds | someone like mandriva might be good to ask |
| 14:33.47 | wethrin | IC |
| 14:33.51 | zaarg | ah |
| 14:33.56 | wethrin | assumes, anyway |
| 14:34.05 | Leeds | do linux emporium still do cheap CDs? |
| 14:34.45 | flips_and_rails | we have no budget or money as we "don't need one" to avoid hours of red tape accountability apparently |
| 14:35.24 | flips_and_rails | i think i'll just stick out a load of emails unless anyone has heaps of CDs and clobber sitting in their basements ;-) |
| 14:35.44 | morsing | PIE |
| 14:36.31 | Leeds | flips_and_rails: have a whip-round, buy a tenner's-worth of CDs, burn a shitload, ask for purely voluntary donations |
| 14:37.26 | wethrin | wonders if sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk still exists |
| 14:37.34 | flips_and_rails | Leeds: Accommodation for freshers in a nice ~£150/week for a room, I'm thinking they might be cash strapped. Not a bad idea though, I might just pay for it myself... |
| 14:37.50 | morsing | Leeds: Are you going to Diggerland this wekend? |
| 14:38.08 | Leeds | flips_and_rails: if 20 people chip in 50p each, you've covered your outlay - or doubled your giveaways |
| 14:38.30 | morsing | Leeds: Are you going to Diggerland this weekend? |
| 14:38.35 | Leeds | no, I'm not |
| 14:39.57 | morsing | http://www.njsp.org/news/pr091708.html |
| 14:40.03 | flips_and_rails | wethrin: haven't been on sunsite for a while I can't seem to find it either anymore, lots of reference to it though. Might be just for DOC people now |
| 14:40.24 | wethrin | A bit of Internet history RIP :( |
| 14:40.59 | morsing | :((((((((( |
| 14:43.28 | flips_and_rails | I'll ask the DoC people about it next time I see them, I expect it lurks somewhere still |
| 15:30.30 | flips_and_rails | anyone know how to change my default group when i log in, i don't have root btw |
| 15:32.03 | zaarg | newgrp |
| 15:33.27 | flips_and_rails | cheers, tried that already and its pretty horrible and was wondering if there was a nicer way |
| 15:35.23 | zaarg | clearly, i'm missing something |
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| 15:36.50 | Leeds | mmm... feta :-D |
