IRC log for #gllug on 20081005

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05:46.35morsingLeeds!
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07:25.37morsingStephmw!
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08:36.18morsingsabinef72!
08:36.20morsingNafallo!
08:36.54Nafallomorsing!
08:38.32morsingNafallo: Where's Jos?
08:38.42Nafallo?
08:38.50Nafallojeos?
08:38.54morsing??
08:38.57morsingNo - Jos
08:39.11Nafallowhat's that?
08:39.52morsingErmm...
08:40.05morsinghttp://www.morsing.cc/photos/Jos_in_Pangbourne.JPG
08:40.30Nafallomorsing: ehrm. never ever seen her.
08:41.05Nafallonot that I know of anyway.
08:41.11morsingRight
08:43.34Nafallo>> /dev/shower
08:44.37morsingEEEK!!
08:49.44Nafallono, shower.
08:50.04Nafalloexcept some damn kiddie thinks it's fun to insult me in channels I own.
08:50.55jpdsNafallo: me? :'(
08:51.10Nafallojpds: no
08:51.18jpdsAh, ok :)
08:51.34Nafallojpds: not in that channel at all :-)
09:06.45jpdshugs Nafallo :)
09:21.35morsingHow do I clean soot damaged metal?
09:59.53morsingHello?
10:11.22Nafallodoesn't answer things he doesn't know
10:13.21LeedsSTRONG MONSOON SIGNAL ( 17:45 HKT - 05.10.2008 ) THUNDERSTORM WARNING ( 17:00 HKT - 05.10.2008 )
10:31.07morsingBEER BEER BEEEEEEEEEEERR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:31.46wethrinacetone should be okay for getting rid of soot
10:32.46antiphaseI've never seen soot damage metal
10:32.55antiphaseI'd have though a damp cloth would do
10:34.54morsinghttp://www.awm.gov.au/aboutus/conservation/soot.asp
10:35.06wethrinshould do. I was just thinking it'd come off easier with acetone or IPA
10:35.10morsingSoapy water kindy did work but I ended up using my Dremel
10:35.20morsingIPA! What a waste...
10:36.47wethrinWhat? Isopropanol?
10:36.56morsingIPA is for drinking!
10:37.10wethrinI wouldn't want to drink propanol!
10:37.17wethrinYou're thinking of ethanol. That's drinkable
10:37.22morsingI'm thinkin gIPA
10:37.25morsingIPA ftw
10:37.37wethrinYour IPA is not my IPA
10:37.58morsingibot IPA
10:37.59ibotipa is probably International Phoenetic Alphabet
10:38.05morsingibot: You suck
10:38.06ibotand very well I might add
10:40.41Nafallolol
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10:47.08morsingStephmw!
10:52.28halihm, shooting close to london bridge... how annoying
10:52.57wethrinMakes a change from stabbing
10:53.07wethrinY'know....variety is the spice of life, and all that
10:53.34haliindeed
10:53.43haliclass difference i guess
10:54.00haliworking class kids stab, posh(wannabee) shoots
10:54.03wethrinyep
10:54.09Nafallowasn't me!
10:54.10wethrindolescum can't afford guns :)
10:54.26halikaviar! mmm
10:58.55Stephmwhali: hmm? investment bankers at high noon?
11:02.06Leedsinvestment bankers high at noon?
11:02.11morsingBEer
11:06.28StephmwLeeds: fair point, 'high' is redundant
11:10.44halinot as bad as people think
11:11.19Stephmwthe stabbing, the shooting or the snorting?
11:11.29halisnorting
11:11.40haliand well
11:11.43halinot sure about the stabbings
11:12.14halithe stabbens sort of give us fewer people to give benefits to
11:12.46haliit's not like PhD's researching cancer and contributing to society get stabbed
11:13.08Stephmwyou almost had me going there
11:13.20StephmwPhDs... contributing to society?
11:31.40wethrinStephmw: Yeah - keeps them off the dole
11:46.32AndyMillardole scum :(
11:46.42AndyMillarshould put them all in a cage
11:46.56AndyMillargive them beer
11:47.01AndyMillarand leave them to it
11:49.40antiphaseI'd have thought gangsters wouldn't need to be on the Old King Cole owing to large amounts of drug income and the desire to remain hidden
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12:00.37morsingcatalyst!
12:14.03AndyMillarantiphase: being on the dole makes them less conspicuois
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13:03.33morsingChoHag!
13:04.48andrew___hi morsing
13:07.12morsingandrew___!
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13:22.25morsingboudiccas!
17:30.57*** join/#gllug DiscordianUK (n=ch@chills.demon.co.uk)
17:48.12kjsgahh
17:48.17kjsdieing server on a sundat.
17:48.19kjssunday.
17:49.51Nafallo\o/
17:49.52DiscordianUKnot good
17:50.18Nafallowhat's the issue with that?
18:06.58DiscordianUKblimey linux is 17 years old today
18:08.12halisince the first mkdir?
18:08.27hali17 year old software, about time someone rewrote it from scratch
18:09.14DiscordianUKsince the 0.01 kernel
18:10.47DiscordianUKheh i doubt there's much of the original code left in 2.6.26
18:20.26halii miss kernel 2.0
18:20.35haliwas 'neat'
18:20.52DiscordianUKheh
18:21.09hali1.3 was the first kernel i really spent much time with
18:21.29DiscordianUKi was able to use linux to get online at 0.94pl10
18:21.30haliwith it's fairly rapid release cycle
18:21.41DiscordianUKwhen we got slip in the kernel
19:28.51halicheese
19:29.15DiscordianUKalways good i love a nice gorgonzola
20:41.01ChoHagIn the stanza "command; if [ $? != 0 ]; then echo $?; fi", the second reference to $? is referring to the result of the [ command, so why do so many scripts use it?
20:41.43haliRETVAL=$? makes more sense
20:41.46ChoHagDa.
20:42.09ChoHagThat could partly explain why nfs has sucked so much recently.
20:42.19DiscordianUKheh
20:43.17ChoHagI had no idea most of the binaries failed to start. Personally I blame the splurge of 'nicities' which are being added to Linux recently.
20:43.21ChoHagLSB? Pah!
20:45.14DiscordianUKtis a shame everything is moving to upstartd instead of sysvinit
20:45.44ChoHagIndeed. If I wanted to use Windows or Mac OS I would.
20:46.14wethrinRemember: "FreeBSD is for those who love Unix. Linux is for those who hate Windows"
20:46.25DiscordianUKno
20:46.48DiscordianUKi chose linux because i come from a SVR4 background
20:47.23DiscordianUKwhich is Unix[TM]
20:48.13*** join/#gllug jpds (n=jpds@ubuntu/member/jpds)
20:48.40DiscordianUKand additionally bsd went into the doldrums around the time of the regents case
20:51.20DiscordianUKi'm tempted these days by opensolaris
20:54.14ChoHagDebian used to be the least sucky of MS Linux distributions.
20:54.16ChoHagNow I'm not so sure.
20:55.20DiscordianUKI've always used Redhat/Fedora at home (well at least since we changed from a.out to ELF binaries)
20:59.45haliSolaris is strange'ish ... best kernel+fluff and suckiest userland :)
21:00.05haliwhich is what "OpenSolaris" is trying to fix with the help of Murdock
21:00.58DiscordianUKi actually liked solaris anyway
21:01.25wethrinhali: Yes, but most Solaris admins just install the GNU utilities
21:01.27haliyes it's good once used to it, but for linux-noobs it does feel like 1982
21:01.39halisolaris even comes with an almost full gnu toolset now
21:01.45haliin /usr/sfw
21:01.45DiscordianUKyeah i know
21:01.52wethrinHas their tar been dragged into the 1980s yet?
21:01.58halinope
21:02.00DiscordianUKi have solaris on my sparcs
21:02.03haliwell, a bit
21:02.09haliit does have largefile support and stuff
21:02.12DiscordianUKgtar is in /usr/sfw
21:02.25halibut it's not clever enough to handle compression helpers
21:03.25DiscordianUKthe reason i don't run solaris on my desktop is that stuff isn't available for it that i can get for free for linux
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