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| 01:04.29 | z00dax | looks in |
| 01:59.16 | DiscordianUK | gah tis cold |
| 02:08.54 | Leeds | I don't call a forecast high of 30C cold |
| 02:10.31 | DiscordianUK | 9c here |
| 02:11.00 | Leeds | suppose I would call that slightly chilly, yes |
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| 05:55.25 | morsing | Leeds! |
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| 07:51.45 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 07:51.57 | morsing | Stephmw: I don't think sabinef72 likes us anymore |
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| 09:15.59 | morsing | Leeds! |
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| 09:29.10 | morsing | an0key! |
| 09:29.20 | an0key | morsing: morsing! |
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| 09:44.19 | morsing | Blapto! |
| 09:46.21 | Blapto | ning! |
| 09:50.54 | ChoHag | 9C isn't chilly. |
| 09:51.10 | Blapto | I'm wearing a short sleeved shirt today. |
| 09:51.15 | Blapto | People are looking at me funny. |
| 09:51.30 | ChoHag | You have to get down to about 4 or 5 before you start getting into chilly territory. |
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| 10:02.23 | bilarh_ | oh man you're having a laugh, it's only 10am!??! |
| 10:04.41 | an0key | I want to go home already! |
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| 10:37.47 | morsing | blight! |
| 10:37.52 | morsing | Stephmw! |
| 11:08.47 | z00dax | ah, few months of server time and local time being in sync. |
| 11:08.51 | z00dax | morsing: |
| 11:11.04 | an0key | z00dax: Trying to get your head around UTC vs BST is so much fun though |
| 11:16.15 | morsing | z00dax: Check it!" |
| 12:04.53 | ChoHag | I don't trust people who, when correcting a command partially entered to a terminal, delete everything back to the error and retype everything. |
| 12:05.18 | ChoHag | I'm not entirely sure why. |
| 12:05.33 | Blapto | I can type faster than key repeat on a lot of terminal |
| 12:08.20 | ChoHag | But probably not faster than not having to retype anything at all. |
| 12:10.42 | Blapto | Some terminals don't let you do that |
| 12:23.07 | Stephmw | sees the room-to-rent ad |
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| 13:14.37 | Stephmw | 'mygeekflatshare.co.uk' sterling idea! |
| 13:15.27 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 13:15.33 | morsing | kisses dick_turpin's twee nose |
| 13:16.10 | dick_turpin | Interesting seeing as I've my head up my arse at the minute |
| 13:26.32 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Unleaded fuel: Sainsburys: Walsall: 94.9 per ltr |
| 13:27.19 | bilarh_ | i paid 91.9p in the weekend |
| 13:27.31 | bilarh_ | http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/article1858561.ece |
| 13:28.03 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Wow |
| 13:36.13 | Stephmw | ibot: monday |
| 13:36.13 | ibot | it has been said that monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix |
| 13:36.30 | bilarh_ | hehe :D |
| 13:36.33 | bilarh_ | ibot :D |
| 13:36.33 | ibot | d is Soraya_'s unique version of the n disease. There is no cure. |
| 13:36.51 | bilarh_ | ibot: random |
| 13:48.34 | Blapto | ibot: Tuesday |
| 13:48.34 | ibot | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday). |
| 13:48.43 | Blapto | ibot: Wednesday |
| 13:48.43 | ibot | Wednesday sucks, because it is only half way through the week. |
| 13:48.48 | Blapto | ibot: Thursday |
| 13:48.49 | ibot | "This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent) |
| 13:48.54 | Blapto | ibot: Friday |
| 13:48.54 | ibot | ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! ! |
| 13:49.02 | Blapto | ibot: Saturday |
| 13:49.02 | ibot | Saturday is the day that sucks the least! |
| 13:49.07 | Blapto | ibot: Sunday |
| 13:49.08 | ibot | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 13:49.21 | Blapto | ibot: January |
| 13:49.38 | Blapto | Good job that didn't work |
| 14:05.52 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Glad to see you're putting ibot to good use |
| 14:07.23 | morsing | Beer |
| 14:13.50 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: shut it, i've got a massive head ache |
| 14:14.17 | bilarh_ | some bastard midget crawled through my ear last night and he's having a go at my frontal lobe with a pneumatic drill |
| 14:14.38 | bilarh_ | i tried to coax him out with a bit of cheese |
| 14:15.52 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Snap! So have I, can we find any drugs for it? can we heck as like |
| 14:22.12 | bilarh_ | i'm planning on trying a grape next |
| 14:22.31 | bilarh_ | or maybe i could watch Snowwhite porn |
| 14:22.40 | bilarh_ | if i turn my ear towards the screen |
| 14:23.00 | z00dax | waves from Canary Warf |
| 14:23.11 | bilarh_ | wahey canary wharf |
| 14:23.15 | z00dax | its been a while since I came down this side, at a reasonable hour of the day |
| 14:23.16 | bilarh_ | i've always wanted to work there |
| 14:23.21 | z00dax | man, this place looks low |
| 14:23.24 | z00dax | bilarh_: its overrated |
| 14:23.47 | bilarh_ | it used to look pretty at night until they decided to go all green and turn the lights off at night |
| 14:24.03 | z00dax | haha yea |
| 14:24.16 | z00dax | on the flip side, there is free wifi all over the place now |
| 14:24.20 | bilarh_ | ah cool |
| 14:24.25 | z00dax | although, i dont trust it, and openvpn++ |
| 14:24.42 | Leeds | generally, openvpn++ |
| 14:25.03 | z00dax | Leeds: yeah, although sometimes i wonder how much of b/w is 'lost' to it |
| 14:25.07 | bilarh_ | what's the mood like in canary wharf? |
| 14:25.14 | bilarh_ | have you noticed people being ruder than usual? |
| 14:25.16 | bilarh_ | etc? :) |
| 14:25.19 | Leeds | z00dax: you mean the overhead? pretty small, I think |
| 14:25.39 | bilarh_ | damn, ftse breaking even today |
| 14:25.51 | bilarh_ | finishing in pos territory |
| 14:25.53 | z00dax | bilarh_: quite low, the mood. And the whole place feels quieter and emptier compared wth about this time last year |
| 14:26.06 | bilarh_ | would be with lehmans going, hsbc sacking 500 etc :) |
| 14:26.13 | bilarh_ | (i guess) |
| 14:26.14 | z00dax | its only half past 2, there is plenty of time for the markets to close |
| 14:26.19 | bilarh_ | thanks his lucky star he didn't get the job at lehmans |
| 14:26.25 | bilarh_ | yeah i know |
| 14:26.55 | bilarh_ | massive volatility every day now it seems |
| 14:26.56 | z00dax | I am here meeting with an old friend who worked at lehmans, lost his job, then go hired again back into lehmans with a 15% increment |
| 14:27.05 | bilarh_ | ace :) |
| 14:27.18 | bilarh_ | the downturn will be good for people who can keep their jobs, i reckon |
| 14:27.25 | z00dax | yup |
| 14:27.33 | Leeds | the HK market dropped over 12% today - it was down over 15% at one point |
| 14:28.02 | bilarh_ | i can't believe the nikkei closed at a 23 year low |
| 14:28.05 | bilarh_ | it's complete madness |
| 14:28.17 | bilarh_ | 23 year low, for crying out loud... and that's before inflation |
| 14:28.31 | bilarh_ | although maybe japans' been deflating for a couple of decades by now |
| 14:28.46 | Leeds | HK market has lost something like 30% *this month* |
| 14:28.51 | bilarh_ | it's nuts |
| 14:28.57 | bilarh_ | i saw that it was down like 60% over the last year |
| 14:29.05 | z00dax | the indian markets are also getting quite a battering these days |
| 14:29.13 | bilarh_ | makes my 50% pension fund in nikkei 225 look good :D |
| 14:29.18 | Leeds | it was pushing 2/3 loss from peak at one point today |
| 14:29.20 | z00dax | the bombay stock exchange is down to half its value in 5 months |
| 14:29.21 | morsing | Beer |
| 14:29.55 | Leeds | also, I'll swap you some magic beans for these pounds I found down the back of the sofa? |
| 14:30.13 | Leeds | fscking worthless queen-based currency |
| 14:30.27 | bilarh_ | well that's the thing, the stock markets, like the housing market, have been completely driven by availability of credit |
| 14:30.39 | bilarh_ | take the credit away (or restrict it) and the whole thing looks very shaky |
| 14:31.40 | bilarh_ | imo at least |
| 14:31.49 | bilarh_ | although i'm looking at investing in some index trackers soon |
| 14:31.51 | Leeds | there have been a few high-profile business failures in HK already... |
| 14:32.08 | Leeds | the local Krispy Kreme franchisee announced today they were shutting up shop |
| 14:32.23 | bilarh_ | not krispy!! :( |
| 14:32.42 | z00dax | as long as their branch in Bluewater is still ok, I am fine |
| 14:32.54 | dick_turpin | I see that Valuers are going to be sued by lenders for over valueing houses |
| 14:32.57 | bilarh_ | bluewater, is that a good one? with donuts made on site? |
| 14:33.12 | z00dax | yes, wasent that the first and largest one in the UK |
| 14:33.20 | Leeds | along with a well-known discount clothing shop (although their local store seems to be open again, which could be the administrators trying to sell of stock) and a second-tier but reasonably well-known electronics retailer |
| 14:33.41 | z00dax | bilarh_: glass front bake / fry / fill machine etc |
| 14:33.51 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: how about suing the liars that took the loans out in the first place, no doubt putting some pressure on the valuers to "value highly"? |
| 14:34.54 | z00dax | damn |
| 14:35.11 | z00dax | I'd forgotten how bad starbucks coffee really is. this large americano was a bad idea |
| 14:35.21 | wethrin | This is why I never go to Starbucks |
| 14:35.27 | wethrin | I prefer to not drink coffee |
| 14:35.50 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: According to the Radio 4 item at dinner time it was sort of a collusion between all three yet now the lenders are crying about the short fall on repossesions |
| 14:36.36 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: I.e. they aren't making as much when the resell the repossed house as it was over valued |
| 14:36.40 | Leeds | wethrin: you live! got a card from the post office today - could be your stuff, could be the amazon.com order I put in last week, could be something else... should know on Wednesday when it becomes collectable |
| 14:36.44 | dick_turpin | they |
| 14:37.34 | wethrin | Leeds: Hurrah! |
| 14:37.56 | Leeds | I will keep you 'in the loo' |
| 14:37.59 | Leeds | uh, loop :-) |
| 14:38.14 | wethrin | :-) |
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| 14:45.21 | morsing | kinko! |
| 14:46.12 | z00dax | ha |
| 14:46.20 | Leeds | he |
| 14:46.35 | z00dax | no really, this is funny |
| 14:46.43 | Leeds | is it? |
| 14:46.57 | z00dax | I am not allowed to mention name, but you know that company you buy books from |
| 14:47.06 | wethrin | Waterstones? |
| 14:47.20 | Leeds | the one I'm waiting for a delivery from? |
| 14:47.26 | z00dax | wethrin: no, the other one, who have a storage thing and cloud / cluster thing online too |
| 14:47.47 | z00dax | they want the entire centos-virt SIG to sign a NDA before they will let us use their api in -devel mode |
| 14:47.58 | wethrin | ha |
| 14:48.03 | Leeds | oops |
| 14:48.18 | z00dax | they didnt think it was funny when i told them, might as well put it in the wiki and let anyone who adds their name there be 'signed' |
| 14:48.37 | Leeds | I'll sign it, if it helps... |
| 14:48.58 | bilarh_ | wethrin: you are a freak, go see the doctors |
| 14:49.21 | wethrin | Pah |
| 14:49.23 | Leeds | bilarh_: he *is* the doctor (sort of) |
| 14:49.34 | bilarh_ | i know, that's why it was (sort of) funny :D |
| 14:49.47 | Leeds | sort of :-P |
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| 14:51.53 | z00dax | not even sure howto approach this. the general floos list mentality would be : fsck them and their nda. but i am sure there must be some floss friendly way of doing this. |
| 14:52.17 | z00dax | either have a few 'gateway' people, and only have them signed up, and have everyone go through there / them |
| 14:52.57 | z00dax | then there is the question of liability... if one of them goes and blogs fluff they are not supposed to - who is accoutnable, the person himself / herself or someone else ? |
| 14:55.00 | antiphase | The one that signed the NDA I'd have thought, so be prepared for a nasty costly lawsuit from a big company that will take you to the cleaners |
| 14:55.38 | morsing | Stephmw! |
| 14:55.51 | z00dax | antiphase: so everyone signs up, on their own name and with no real connection with centos... |
| 14:56.08 | z00dax | i think maybe we should just look at whats the diff with the api in devel and non-devel mode |
| 14:56.20 | antiphase | Or just tell them to stick their API up their arse |
| 14:56.31 | z00dax | :D |
| 14:59.28 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: well, fair enough they should have checked the valuations themselves |
| 14:59.39 | ChoHag | Apparently checking through >500 lines of test results, every morning, looking for failures is the way to look out for problems. |
| 15:00.11 | z00dax | ChoHag: if your tests output results even on pass, your tests are broken |
| 15:00.29 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: what makes me angry is when you have people going on tv crying that they will lose their home and begging the government (i.e. the taxpayer i.e me and you to bail them out), when it's obvious that they've overborrowed in the first place |
| 15:00.32 | z00dax | and if there are failures, you stop at the first one and fix that, if the tests are done with a proper dep-tree |
| 15:00.42 | bilarh_ | wtf do my taxes have to pay to keep house prices out of reach for *me*? |
| 15:00.45 | ChoHag | I tried to suggest that, but my manager is a fucktard. |
| 15:00.53 | bilarh_ | it's a complete kick in the teeth and it's perverse |
| 15:01.49 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: I'll say this openly, I don't blame anyone who is in debt I'm willing to bet that nowhere down the line did anyone say "Hang on you cant afford this" in fact the opposite "Oh dont worry about that we'll sort all that out" |
| 15:02.35 | bilarh_ | they should be thinking for themselves, though |
| 15:03.39 | z00dax | ChoHag: i hope they pay you boatloads of money |
| 15:03.42 | bilarh_ | millions of lemmings pile off mountain sides every so often |
| 15:04.05 | ChoHag | Hah! |
| 15:04.09 | Blapto | http://www.codeweavers.com/about/general/press/20081027/ |
| 15:04.10 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Not in a "Have now pay whenever" society, have you seen them adverts? Bad credit history? No problem. CCJ's No worries |
| 15:04.26 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: i despair at the future :( |
| 15:05.53 | bilarh_ | and the *final* insult is this: you save some money so that you can put down a deposit on a house (or whatever), you lose your job, you then can't get income support etc until you've used most of your savings |
| 15:05.56 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: I have no sypathy for anyone that lost money in Iceland or anywhere else. They was greedy shits with money to burn so stuff em. They shouldn't get a penny back in my book |
| 15:05.57 | bilarh_ | fucking government |
| 15:06.01 | morsing | Beer |
| 15:07.29 | bilarh_ | the signals society sends out at the moment is "it's ok if you don't plan for your future and fuck up completely, even though it may have been your fault. the tax payer will support you" |
| 15:07.38 | bilarh_ | yeah icesave too |
| 15:07.51 | ChoHag | What's likely to be slower? perl & DBI or ssh and multiple fork/exec calls? |
| 15:07.53 | bilarh_ | vein on forehead pumping, CHECK |
| 15:07.57 | bilarh_ | blood boiling, CHECK |
| 15:08.13 | bilarh_ | chohag: to achieve what? |
| 15:08.27 | bilarh_ | needs to stop worrying |
| 15:08.30 | ChoHag | Monitoring. |
| 15:08.54 | ChoHag | Running various commands against mysql & oracle DBs. |
| 15:08.57 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: I've been there with regards loans, "You've been a really good payer we'd like to increase your loan" no mention of "Can you afford this" |
| 15:09.04 | bilarh_ | chohag: umm, but it's vastly different what you're doing there... |
| 15:09.07 | morsing | http://www.boschautoparts.com/NR/rdonlyres/C77B3446-232B-4AEC-AFA9-AD05F2A0A2AD/0/DesignationCodes.pdf |
| 15:09.10 | bilarh_ | chohag: ah in that case i'd go for dbi if i could |
| 15:09.39 | ChoHag | dick_turpin: My overdraft was increased by nearly £1000 recently without even pretending to ask me. |
| 15:09.42 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: yeah but i bet you didn't expect the tax payer to bail you out |
| 15:09.43 | antiphase | NGK > Bosch |
| 15:10.40 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: My wifes credit card has currently has a limit that would sort out the Balkan debt, she never asked for it they just upped the stakes every three months |
| 15:10.54 | dick_turpin | currently has |
| 15:11.06 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: that's great :) |
| 15:11.15 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: but it's still her responsibility if she uses it or not |
| 15:11.19 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Not when she spends it the silly cow |
| 15:11.31 | bilarh_ | ok that's not great, but it's up to her isn't it :) |
| 15:12.20 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: You have too much faith in human nature put something in peoples reach and they will use it and stuff the outcome |
| 15:12.40 | grumpy-old-man | maybe |
| 15:12.48 | grumpy-old-man | bah humbug |
| 15:14.15 | dick_turpin | grumpy-old-man: No just honest no sugary spice everything is nice |
| 15:16.05 | morsing | bilarh! |
| 15:16.14 | morsing | bilarh: Where's wethrin? |
| 15:16.38 | bilarh | morsing: probably stuck in the post office queue trying to send something to leeds |
| 15:16.43 | dick_turpin | morsing: Getting a loan before all the money runs out |
| 15:16.52 | morsing | dick_turpin: wethrin is loaded |
| 15:17.03 | morsing | bilarh: wethrin is bigger than a bread box |
| 15:17.30 | bilarh | makes a note |
| 15:17.35 | Blapto | ibot: wethrin is bigger than a bread box |
| 15:17.36 | ibot | ...but wethrin is already something else... |
| 15:17.49 | Blapto | ibot: wethrin is also bigger than a bread box |
| 15:17.50 | ibot | okay, Blapto |
| 15:18.01 | dick_turpin | makes a note wethrin is loaded question is with what? |
| 15:18.02 | z00dax | humm |
| 15:18.14 | Blapto | ibot: wethrin |
| 15:18.14 | ibot | hmm... wethrin is bigger than a breadbox, unless said breadbox is > 5'11" long, or silly, or afraid that its time to correct how people use it's, or ha, or bigger than a bread box |
| 15:18.30 | Blapto | Oh, he was already bigger than a bread box... Fail. |
| 15:18.58 | Blapto | ibot: wethrin is not bigger than a bread box |
| 15:18.59 | ibot | ...but wethrin is already something else... |
| 15:19.07 | Blapto | curses! |
| 15:19.11 | bilarh | has a rifle and a gun |
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| 15:22.30 | bilarh | ah, i've found the perfect theme for next years scumball: http://www.ojs.nu/Bilder/2005-09-10_JVM_Dagen/6444.jpg |
| 15:23.11 | morsing | ibot wethrin |
| 15:23.11 | ibot | wethrin is probably bigger than a breadbox, unless said breadbox is > 5'11" long, or silly, or afraid that its time to correct how people use it's, or ha, or bigger than a bread box |
| 15:23.46 | z00dax | bilarh: shoot anything interesting recently ? |
| 15:24.08 | dick_turpin | z00dax: Himself, hopefully |
| 15:24.17 | bilarh | z00dax: hmm, i'll have to say no, unfortunately :( |
| 15:25.08 | z00dax | bilarh: has the rifle ever experienced cordite ? |
| 16:15.52 | bilarh | was only kidding about guns and rifles |
| 16:15.57 | bilarh | anyway i'm off home |
| 16:16.00 | bilarh | l8rs folks |
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| 18:19.54 | morsing | an0key! |
| 19:22.29 | morsing | What's green, has four legs and would kill you if it fell out of a tree and landed on you? |
| 19:23.37 | morsing | Man you people are boring! |
| 19:28.28 | z00dax | morsing: an alien ? |
| 19:28.39 | morsing | No, a pool table |
| 19:29.29 | z00dax | odd, the pool table we used today was mostly wood around the bits, and orange cover |
| 19:30.01 | z00dax | but yes, that would indeed cause some hurt if it fell on top of you |
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| 21:53.38 | morsing | londo! |
| 21:53.38 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 21:53.38 | morsing | nixofortune! |
| 21:53.44 | nixofortune | morsing: yo! |
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