IRC log for #gllug on 20081116

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02:48.42morsingNewark!
02:49.10morsingLeeds: http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/howto/45638/index.html
03:11.23morsingBeer
03:19.24morsingkjs: Why did Mike leave?
03:34.57morsing\o/
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12:54.32morsingsabinef72!
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13:25.47morsingrhowe!!
13:31.36mikejwhello :)
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13:42.41morsingmikejw!
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13:54.32mikejwhow's things morsing?
14:02.20morsingGreat-ish - trying to take a nap...
14:02.23morsingHow are you?
14:52.43kjschrist
14:52.49kjswhat a hang over that was
14:53.04Discordianmajor bender?
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15:22.05morsingWolverhampton!
15:22.05morsingsabinef72!
15:30.04Leedshard drives are fucking incredibly cheap
15:30.21morsingSo's Marmite
15:30.35popey\o/ marmite hilight
15:30.49LeedsI bought a 640GB drive today for just over 40 quid
15:39.36rhoweLeeds: I bought a 1TB one for under double that recently
15:39.47rhoweLeeds: ~£75 inc. VAT and delivery
15:40.05Leedsno VAT or delivery for me :-)
15:40.14rhoweLeeds: Then it would've been £57
15:40.14morsingWTF: Is that for real??!  http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XBLos1Pn7Tw
15:40.26morsingrhowe: Why are you ignoring me?
15:40.55rhowemorsing: 'cause ... dunno :P
15:41.03rhoweLeeds: http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/1TB+Samsung+Spinpoint+F1+SATA2+7200RPM+32MB+cache+?productId=30998
15:41.25rhoweLeeds: Gone up a bit, but still good value. Does >100MB/s sequential read and also supports NCQ
15:41.26morsingnuzzles rhowe
15:41.35rhowehas had 6 shots of espresso today
15:41.42rhowe3 caffe nero mystery shopping jobs
15:41.57morsingI need 10 shots I think. Just woken up from a nap and can't move
15:42.14morsingrhowe: I'm naked
15:42.17rhoweLeeds: But yes, you're right. Space is cheap
15:42.20Leedsthis wasn't a special - there were a load of shops selling it for the same price
15:42.20rhowemorsing: TMI
15:42.33rhoweLeeds: Still £62 regular price
15:42.51rhoweLeeds: Was yours one of the Samsung drives?
15:43.10morsingBeer
15:43.15Leedsrhowe: nah, WD... note that if I use the exchange rate from a few weeks ago, it drops to 32ish :-)
15:43.23rhoweLeeds: heh
15:43.32rhoweLeeds: Well I have 3 of those 1TB drives :)
15:43.42rhoweFilesystem    Type    Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
15:43.42rhowe/dev/mapper/vgData-lvNAS
15:43.42rhowe<PROTECTED>
15:43.48morsingrhowe: Get me an espresso please?
15:43.49LeedsI guess I just passed the 2TB-at-home marker
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15:44.14rhoweLeeds: I'm getting a fourth when it drops to £50
15:44.40rhoweLeeds: Hopefully the 1.5TB drives will start to come down to sensible prices and that'll push the 1TB drives down with them
15:44.54Leeds640GB is the sweet spot for price/capacity right now
15:45.04Leeds750GB is probably pushing towards is
15:45.05Leedsit
15:45.24rhoweLeeds: I only have 4 slots - 640/750 wasn't big enough I decided :)
15:46.30Leedsthis one was for my desktop, not my fileserver - had a couple of errors reported in the logs, and very slow fscks, so decided to dump the 160GB drive I had in here and upgrade
15:46.39rhoweAh
15:46.44rhowedoesn't run a desktop any more
15:46.55morsingstill hasn't used up his 40GB disk and probably never will
15:46.57rhowelaptop + NAS + Draytek router
15:47.14rhoweand my flatmate has an old PC hooked up to the TV in the lounge, which is next on the hitlist for an upgrade
15:47.22LeedsI now have a nice scale of devices: desktop, laptop (now unused), EeePC, G1
15:47.24rhoweafter I get a decent AV amp and speakers, that is
15:47.38Leedswith an xbox media player stuck in for good luck
15:47.49morsingrhowe: Nutter
15:47.54Leedsthe next thing is to work out how to get my desktop to do gigabit to my fileserver...
15:48.10rhowewith a gigabit switch (cheap) and gigE cards
15:48.26Leedsdone and done and not working
15:48.42rhoweeverything's gigE at home now, apart from the printer, the router, the mail server and a flatmate's old laptop
15:48.47Leedsfileserver is (apparently) doing gigabit to the switch... but the desktop won't negotiate gigabit
15:48.58rhoweLeeds: Ah yes, forgot to mention the Soekris mail server. Mostly runs off of NFS from the NAS
15:49.16rhoweLeeds: cat5e cabling or just cat5?
15:49.28Leedscat6, allegedly, as of today
15:49.33rhoweah right
15:50.01rhowewell apparently cat6 has minimum bend radius as part of its spec - are you taking it around any tight corners (not that I expect it to matter)
15:50.04rhowe?
15:50.27rhowebtw, I quite like the case I got for the NAS - Chenbro ES34096
15:50.34Leedsit seems to negotiate gigabit, then fall back to 100 after a few seconds
15:50.41rhoweer, ES34069
15:50.52rhoweLeeds: hmm, try a new NIC?
15:50.56Leedsand no, no really tight corners
15:50.59rhoweLeeds: I got some decent ones from ebay for cheap
15:51.06LeedsI'm using the onboard one at the moment... hoped to keep using it
15:51.17rhoweLeeds: What chipset? Broadcom?
15:51.41Leedsatheros/Attansic - atl1 driver
15:51.52rhoweah right
15:52.05rhoweMaybe try a different chip - some drivers probably aren't very good
15:52.21LeedsI think this driver is meant to be decent
15:53.46LeedsI think what will happen is I'll get a cheapish PCI 100mbit card for the fileserver to talk to my PPPoE modem... then I can take the e1000 out of the fileserver and put it in my desktop
15:54.15rhowego for 10gigE :)
15:54.31rhoweMy NAS can already read from the drives at >gigE speeds
15:54.35Leedsyeah right :-0
15:54.48Leedserm :-)
15:56.12Leedsoh, hmm... looks like I'd already hit 2TB on the fileserver anyway:
15:56.20Leeds/dev/mapper/big_storage-storage_lv              ext3   2013090780 1706110176 306980604  85% /big_storage
15:56.54morsingLeeds: Yop?
15:57.21morsingrhowe: Are we nearly there yet?
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15:59.07rhoweLeeds: RAID5?
15:59.17Leedsnot as such
15:59.36Leedslots-of-disks and LVM
15:59.57rhoweh
16:00.00morsingk
16:00.02rhoweSo no redundancy?
16:00.08Leedsnot as such, no
16:00.22rhoweI was too scared to not do RAID5
16:00.47Leedsat some point soonish I should probably rationalise it... it's one filesystem which has been upgraded repeatedly for many years - I just toss in a bigger drive and take out the smallest one a couple of times a year
16:00.51rhowealthough I'm quite tempted to build a second box and use it for backups instead of using RAID
16:00.59sabinef72is sleeping... don't send msg...
16:01.00rhowethen I can go to just using striped RAID
16:01.49Leedsthis conversation makes me nervous
16:02.35rhoweLeeds: Everything worked as it should when I added the 3rd drive
16:02.43rhoweLeeds: It was a 2 drive RAID5 giving 1TB space
16:02.52rhoweLeeds: Hot-added the 3rd drive, driver picked it up
16:02.55Leeds2 drive RAID5?
16:03.03Leedsyou mean 2+1?
16:03.08rhoweLeeds: Nope, 1+1
16:03.20rhoweLeeds: I wanted to be able to grow it later on
16:03.25Leedshmm...
16:03.33rhoweLeeds: Used mdadm to reshape the array (online) to 3 devices
16:03.44rhoweThat took a week(!) for some reason
16:03.49Leedsmain issue is - I thought you needed homogeneous drives to do raid5?
16:04.01rhoweLeeds: I did have homogenous drives - 2x1TB
16:04.07Leedsright, as I said, I don't
16:04.09rhowethen did pvresize to tell LVM about the bigger md device
16:04.21rhoweLeeds: Then lvextend to grow the LV, then xfs_growfs
16:04.42rhoweLeeds: All online, with no reboot or unmounting of filesystems. I was feeling quite pleased with myself :)
16:04.43LeedsI've grown and shrunk the lvm device plenty of times
16:05.08wethrinHello
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16:05.12morsingwethrin!
16:05.18morsingwethrin: Why's rhowe ignoring me?
16:05.29rhoweI went for 1TB drives because I didn't want to feel like I was getting a raw deal by the time I got around to buying the 4th drive
16:05.54rhoweif I'd gone for 500G, it'd be bargain basement stuff by the time I was buying the last drive
16:06.09rhoweand I wanted all drives to be the same model
16:06.19wethrinmorsing: Probably because you haven't said anything worth responding to
16:06.23rhoweThe first two actually had consecutive serial numbers :)
16:06.37morsingrhowe: Is that true?
16:06.45Leedsanyway, I have a 500GB partition, a 240GB drive, a 300GB IDE(!) drive, a 600GB drive and a 370GB partition - although I'm not sure why - making up my fs right now
16:06.53wethrinrhowe: 1TB drives are cheap! Get lots of them!
16:08.15Leedsit's also to do with available ports in the machine...
16:09.48Leedsanyway, I should be going to the bed... have a good rest-of-Sunday, y'all
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18:42.04morsingdick_turpin!
18:42.23dick_turpinmorsing: :-)
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20:50.35morsingAAARGGG!!!!
20:51.21morsingOk, wanted to install both phpbb" and twiki and *both* packages insists on removing postfix-policy-spf-perl! Why!?
20:51.28morsingphpbb2
20:51.48DiscordianHahah phpbb
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