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02:48.42 | morsing | Newark! |
02:49.10 | morsing | Leeds: http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/howto/45638/index.html |
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03:19.24 | morsing | kjs: Why did Mike leave? |
03:34.57 | morsing | \o/ |
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13:25.47 | morsing | rhowe!! |
13:31.36 | mikejw | hello :) |
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13:54.32 | mikejw | how's things morsing? |
14:02.20 | morsing | Great-ish - trying to take a nap... |
14:02.23 | morsing | How are you? |
14:52.43 | kjs | christ |
14:52.49 | kjs | what a hang over that was |
14:53.04 | Discordian | major bender? |
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15:22.05 | morsing | Wolverhampton! |
15:22.05 | morsing | sabinef72! |
15:30.04 | Leeds | hard drives are fucking incredibly cheap |
15:30.21 | morsing | So's Marmite |
15:30.35 | popey | \o/ marmite hilight |
15:30.49 | Leeds | I bought a 640GB drive today for just over 40 quid |
15:39.36 | rhowe | Leeds: I bought a 1TB one for under double that recently |
15:39.47 | rhowe | Leeds: ~£75 inc. VAT and delivery |
15:40.05 | Leeds | no VAT or delivery for me :-) |
15:40.14 | rhowe | Leeds: Then it would've been £57 |
15:40.14 | morsing | WTF: Is that for real??! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XBLos1Pn7Tw |
15:40.26 | morsing | rhowe: Why are you ignoring me? |
15:40.55 | rhowe | morsing: 'cause ... dunno :P |
15:41.03 | rhowe | Leeds: http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/1TB+Samsung+Spinpoint+F1+SATA2+7200RPM+32MB+cache+?productId=30998 |
15:41.25 | rhowe | Leeds: Gone up a bit, but still good value. Does >100MB/s sequential read and also supports NCQ |
15:41.26 | morsing | nuzzles rhowe |
15:41.35 | rhowe | has had 6 shots of espresso today |
15:41.42 | rhowe | 3 caffe nero mystery shopping jobs |
15:41.57 | morsing | I need 10 shots I think. Just woken up from a nap and can't move |
15:42.14 | morsing | rhowe: I'm naked |
15:42.17 | rhowe | Leeds: But yes, you're right. Space is cheap |
15:42.20 | Leeds | this wasn't a special - there were a load of shops selling it for the same price |
15:42.20 | rhowe | morsing: TMI |
15:42.33 | rhowe | Leeds: Still £62 regular price |
15:42.51 | rhowe | Leeds: Was yours one of the Samsung drives? |
15:43.10 | morsing | Beer |
15:43.15 | Leeds | rhowe: nah, WD... note that if I use the exchange rate from a few weeks ago, it drops to 32ish :-) |
15:43.23 | rhowe | Leeds: heh |
15:43.32 | rhowe | Leeds: Well I have 3 of those 1TB drives :) |
15:43.42 | rhowe | Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
15:43.42 | rhowe | /dev/mapper/vgData-lvNAS |
15:43.42 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
15:43.48 | morsing | rhowe: Get me an espresso please? |
15:43.49 | Leeds | I guess I just passed the 2TB-at-home marker |
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15:44.14 | rhowe | Leeds: I'm getting a fourth when it drops to £50 |
15:44.40 | rhowe | Leeds: Hopefully the 1.5TB drives will start to come down to sensible prices and that'll push the 1TB drives down with them |
15:44.54 | Leeds | 640GB is the sweet spot for price/capacity right now |
15:45.04 | Leeds | 750GB is probably pushing towards is |
15:45.05 | Leeds | it |
15:45.24 | rhowe | Leeds: I only have 4 slots - 640/750 wasn't big enough I decided :) |
15:46.30 | Leeds | this one was for my desktop, not my fileserver - had a couple of errors reported in the logs, and very slow fscks, so decided to dump the 160GB drive I had in here and upgrade |
15:46.39 | rhowe | Ah |
15:46.44 | rhowe | doesn't run a desktop any more |
15:46.55 | morsing | still hasn't used up his 40GB disk and probably never will |
15:46.57 | rhowe | laptop + NAS + Draytek router |
15:47.14 | rhowe | and my flatmate has an old PC hooked up to the TV in the lounge, which is next on the hitlist for an upgrade |
15:47.22 | Leeds | I now have a nice scale of devices: desktop, laptop (now unused), EeePC, G1 |
15:47.24 | rhowe | after I get a decent AV amp and speakers, that is |
15:47.38 | Leeds | with an xbox media player stuck in for good luck |
15:47.49 | morsing | rhowe: Nutter |
15:47.54 | Leeds | the next thing is to work out how to get my desktop to do gigabit to my fileserver... |
15:48.10 | rhowe | with a gigabit switch (cheap) and gigE cards |
15:48.26 | Leeds | done and done and not working |
15:48.42 | rhowe | everything's gigE at home now, apart from the printer, the router, the mail server and a flatmate's old laptop |
15:48.47 | Leeds | fileserver is (apparently) doing gigabit to the switch... but the desktop won't negotiate gigabit |
15:48.58 | rhowe | Leeds: Ah yes, forgot to mention the Soekris mail server. Mostly runs off of NFS from the NAS |
15:49.16 | rhowe | Leeds: cat5e cabling or just cat5? |
15:49.28 | Leeds | cat6, allegedly, as of today |
15:49.33 | rhowe | ah right |
15:50.01 | rhowe | well apparently cat6 has minimum bend radius as part of its spec - are you taking it around any tight corners (not that I expect it to matter) |
15:50.04 | rhowe | ? |
15:50.27 | rhowe | btw, I quite like the case I got for the NAS - Chenbro ES34096 |
15:50.34 | Leeds | it seems to negotiate gigabit, then fall back to 100 after a few seconds |
15:50.41 | rhowe | er, ES34069 |
15:50.52 | rhowe | Leeds: hmm, try a new NIC? |
15:50.56 | Leeds | and no, no really tight corners |
15:50.59 | rhowe | Leeds: I got some decent ones from ebay for cheap |
15:51.06 | Leeds | I'm using the onboard one at the moment... hoped to keep using it |
15:51.17 | rhowe | Leeds: What chipset? Broadcom? |
15:51.41 | Leeds | atheros/Attansic - atl1 driver |
15:51.52 | rhowe | ah right |
15:52.05 | rhowe | Maybe try a different chip - some drivers probably aren't very good |
15:52.21 | Leeds | I think this driver is meant to be decent |
15:53.46 | Leeds | I think what will happen is I'll get a cheapish PCI 100mbit card for the fileserver to talk to my PPPoE modem... then I can take the e1000 out of the fileserver and put it in my desktop |
15:54.15 | rhowe | go for 10gigE :) |
15:54.31 | rhowe | My NAS can already read from the drives at >gigE speeds |
15:54.35 | Leeds | yeah right :-0 |
15:54.48 | Leeds | erm :-) |
15:56.12 | Leeds | oh, hmm... looks like I'd already hit 2TB on the fileserver anyway: |
15:56.20 | Leeds | /dev/mapper/big_storage-storage_lv ext3 2013090780 1706110176 306980604 85% /big_storage |
15:56.54 | morsing | Leeds: Yop? |
15:57.21 | morsing | rhowe: Are we nearly there yet? |
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15:59.07 | rhowe | Leeds: RAID5? |
15:59.17 | Leeds | not as such |
15:59.36 | Leeds | lots-of-disks and LVM |
15:59.57 | rhowe | h |
16:00.00 | morsing | k |
16:00.02 | rhowe | So no redundancy? |
16:00.08 | Leeds | not as such, no |
16:00.22 | rhowe | I was too scared to not do RAID5 |
16:00.47 | Leeds | at some point soonish I should probably rationalise it... it's one filesystem which has been upgraded repeatedly for many years - I just toss in a bigger drive and take out the smallest one a couple of times a year |
16:00.51 | rhowe | although I'm quite tempted to build a second box and use it for backups instead of using RAID |
16:00.59 | sabinef72 | is sleeping... don't send msg... |
16:01.00 | rhowe | then I can go to just using striped RAID |
16:01.49 | Leeds | this conversation makes me nervous |
16:02.35 | rhowe | Leeds: Everything worked as it should when I added the 3rd drive |
16:02.43 | rhowe | Leeds: It was a 2 drive RAID5 giving 1TB space |
16:02.52 | rhowe | Leeds: Hot-added the 3rd drive, driver picked it up |
16:02.55 | Leeds | 2 drive RAID5? |
16:03.03 | Leeds | you mean 2+1? |
16:03.08 | rhowe | Leeds: Nope, 1+1 |
16:03.20 | rhowe | Leeds: I wanted to be able to grow it later on |
16:03.25 | Leeds | hmm... |
16:03.33 | rhowe | Leeds: Used mdadm to reshape the array (online) to 3 devices |
16:03.44 | rhowe | That took a week(!) for some reason |
16:03.49 | Leeds | main issue is - I thought you needed homogeneous drives to do raid5? |
16:04.01 | rhowe | Leeds: I did have homogenous drives - 2x1TB |
16:04.07 | Leeds | right, as I said, I don't |
16:04.09 | rhowe | then did pvresize to tell LVM about the bigger md device |
16:04.21 | rhowe | Leeds: Then lvextend to grow the LV, then xfs_growfs |
16:04.42 | rhowe | Leeds: All online, with no reboot or unmounting of filesystems. I was feeling quite pleased with myself :) |
16:04.43 | Leeds | I've grown and shrunk the lvm device plenty of times |
16:05.08 | wethrin | Hello |
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16:05.12 | morsing | wethrin! |
16:05.18 | morsing | wethrin: Why's rhowe ignoring me? |
16:05.29 | rhowe | I went for 1TB drives because I didn't want to feel like I was getting a raw deal by the time I got around to buying the 4th drive |
16:05.54 | rhowe | if I'd gone for 500G, it'd be bargain basement stuff by the time I was buying the last drive |
16:06.09 | rhowe | and I wanted all drives to be the same model |
16:06.19 | wethrin | morsing: Probably because you haven't said anything worth responding to |
16:06.23 | rhowe | The first two actually had consecutive serial numbers :) |
16:06.37 | morsing | rhowe: Is that true? |
16:06.45 | Leeds | anyway, I have a 500GB partition, a 240GB drive, a 300GB IDE(!) drive, a 600GB drive and a 370GB partition - although I'm not sure why - making up my fs right now |
16:06.53 | wethrin | rhowe: 1TB drives are cheap! Get lots of them! |
16:08.15 | Leeds | it's also to do with available ports in the machine... |
16:09.48 | Leeds | anyway, I should be going to the bed... have a good rest-of-Sunday, y'all |
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18:42.23 | dick_turpin | morsing: :-) |
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18:59.06 | nixofortune | hi morsing! |
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20:50.35 | morsing | AAARGGG!!!! |
20:51.21 | morsing | Ok, wanted to install both phpbb" and twiki and *both* packages insists on removing postfix-policy-spf-perl! Why!? |
20:51.28 | morsing | phpbb2 |
20:51.48 | Discordian | Hahah phpbb |
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