IRC log for #gllug on 20081117

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06:15.07morsingLeeds!
08:13.34halimorning
08:52.10morsingBeer
09:28.05bilarhmorning
09:51.06morsingCawfy
09:52.01Leedsgood idea
09:55.29z00daxwoo!
09:58.34Leedsgoes to get coffee
10:16.07z00daxany tipcs on property hunting in the city /
10:16.23wethrinAvoid Foxtons
10:16.51z00daxabsolutely
10:17.06wethrinheads off
10:19.54morsingz00dax: Don't do it
10:20.04morsingz00dax: Avoid London for sure
10:20.24morsingz00dax: Move to Durham, lovely place!
10:21.23z00daxmorsing: but my work is in London
10:21.28z00daxand my fiance's too
10:24.20morsingGet a job somewhere else
10:24.30morsingIt only makes sense
10:24.43z00daxperhaps...
10:24.45z00daxbut i am happy here
10:25.23morsingOMG - how can you be happy there?!?!?  Can only be because you don't kow better
10:26.40Stephmwavoid Atkinson McLeod too
10:26.57Stephmwand Barnard Marcus... in fact, avoid agents
10:27.30Stephmw<3 London
10:27.51morsingLondon is hell on earth
10:28.06Stephmwonly in _your_ cardboard box...
10:28.33z00daxmorsing: our offices are in the 2nd floor of an old piano factory, in a residential area, the people I work with are some of the best in the buisness ( atleast in London area ). its not a half bad place to work
10:29.53z00daxalthough, to be fair, this place isnt 'the city', most people consider Kentish Town to be north of london
10:30.07Stephmwnods
10:30.18Stephmwdo you still need a visa to come into zone 1?
10:30.18z00daxthe big issues however, is that i live ( as hali puts it ) - out in the sticks further out east than the end of east
10:30.48z00daxyea!
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10:31.53z00daxI used to live at londonbridge, about 50yrds from the station, for 6 months in 2003. Wasent half bad. ofcourse, no question of a car or driving anywhere. and i am not a very public transport friendly person
10:32.05morsingChoHag!
10:32.27z00daxStephmw: avoiding all agents is kinda hard. unless you know some special place to look ?
10:33.52Stephmwz00dax: alas not, I just know that agents just go from place to place, so they'll all be bad at some point
10:37.25z00daxtrue
10:39.25morsingz00dax: Berkhamsted is very nice
10:39.58z00daxdoes look nice indeed
10:40.05z00daxwhats the connections like into kings cross ?
10:41.09morsingWell, train to ermm... The one after Marylebone, is about 24 minutes
10:41.24wethrinEuston?
10:41.27morsingYeah
10:41.39morsingso 30-32 mins to KX
10:42.09morsingHang on - the fast trains might not stop at Berkhamsted
10:42.11morsingNot sure
10:42.27morsingBut why would you want to go to London anyway?
10:42.39wethrinIt has a vibrant social life scene
10:42.49morsingLOL :D :D :D  Very funny
10:42.52wethrinI, for one, very much enjoyed going to concerts and theatres when I was in London
10:43.08wethrinAnd radio/TV recordings
10:43.10morsingBut you never lived in London
10:43.32wethrinThat's true. But I only lived half an hour away
10:44.20wethrinParsons Green always felt really nice to me, the times I've been there
10:44.34morsingTottenham
10:44.41morsingused to live there
10:44.49morsingwas a token white person
10:45.24haliis after a simple web file upload utility.. any suggestions?
10:46.03antiphaseWrite a CGI script in $language_du_jour
10:46.49wethrinantiphase is correct
10:47.02antiphase\o/
10:47.02wethrinIt'd take about 10 minutes of PHP hackery
10:47.19wethrinoffers a cookie
11:36.57halii don't have cookie support
11:38.54morsingBeer
11:43.42bilarhmake it stop :'(    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/holset-turbo-charger_W0QQitemZ190263115953QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item190263115953&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A13%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
11:44.03bilarhmaybe i should ask for a new turbo for the saab for my birthday
11:44.29bilarhi'm sure my other half will be thrilled at the prospect of me spending my weekends outside in the rain welding an exhaust manifold rather than doing house work
11:44.40morsingIrn-Bru
11:44.47bilarhi don't think that would work as well
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12:42.35morsingrhowe_!
13:14.29morsinghttp://www.wdbm.dk/shared/2/2bfb59ce2c44f7163652a724a9b0a383_hw145_width.jpeg
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14:11.16morsingCarlisle!
14:11.20morsingdick_turpin!
14:11.52bilarhdick_turpin!
14:12.21dick_turpinLads
14:12.53boudiccasand lasses
14:13.02StephmwPhotography retrospective, funny Bush moments... http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-36649.html
14:13.03morsing*sigh*
14:13.22morsingboudiccas: I'm certainly not a lass but I agree I've never met bilarh so...
14:13.39boudiccasyou never know :)
14:13.46bilarhi do have big boobs
14:13.59boudiccasman-boobs probably :)
14:14.08bilarhyeah :)
14:14.15morsingsucks on bilarh
14:14.22dick_turpinboudiccas: Rat bags, you're normally asleep at this time
14:14.38boudiccasi've been up five hours plus
14:14.43dick_turpinbilarh: And a fat arse
14:15.51bilarhdick_turpin: that is no way to speak of boudiccas
14:17.01boudiccaslol
14:17.04morsingBeer
14:17.12boudiccasfish and chips
14:17.20dick_turpinboudiccas: Next we'll be haveing to say lads, lasses, shemales, gendar reassigned and any other PC term you can think of
14:17.56bilarhi like peopleperson, me
14:17.58boudiccasdick_turpin; nobbut wrong with that, you need to give people that warm comfy feeling of being included
14:18.11dick_turpinbilarh: My god its taken, what? A year? and you finally managed to hit a six
14:18.24bilarha six?
14:18.26boudiccasanyways its tiem to go out again
14:18.30boudiccas*time
14:18.38bilarhget that tap fixed as well, will you
14:19.03dick_turpinbilarh: Not a cricket fan I take it?
14:19.25bilarhis that the game where grown men stand around on a field a week at a time
14:19.27bilarh?
14:21.13dick_turpinbilarh: Yeah I would have thought it was right up your street, standing around holding your ball in your hand :-P
14:22.51bilarhi wouldn't even need to buy any equipment to play...
14:22.59bilarhi could use my appendage as a bat :D
14:25.03dick_turpinwhacks bilarh on his appendage with a meat tenderisor
14:25.31bilarha watchmakers hammer might be more appropriately sized :D
14:25.40bilarhi mean :'(, of course
14:38.36dick_turpinbilarh: Doing anything interesting? I'm doing pictures in Paint Shop Pro. Been instructed to do 'Christmas' emails, groan
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14:39.08mindbendrhi
14:39.12morsingmindbendr!
14:39.23bilarhdick_turpin: why don't you do a "frank bow tie east enders" picture?
14:39.30morsingTurnip
14:41.18dick_turpinbilarh: God I hate the cheesey Christmas emails, I mean as if your gaffer is gonna get all festive and say "Go on then seeing as its xmas"
14:41.34dick_turpinBah humbug
14:42.24dick_turpinwethrin: Bet you cant guess who's instruceted me to do them?
14:42.53bilarhdick_turpin: i hate christmas too
14:43.15bilarhdick_turpin: it seems it's a pointless exercise of spending tons of money on stupid presents and receiving presents in return that you didn't want anyway
14:43.24bilarhgood for retailers, i suppose
14:45.12dick_turpinbilarh: Its worse for me, I get mums & dads wanting refurb laptops for the kids at the cheapest price possible. You just know there's gonna be trouble in the new year :-(
14:45.35bilarhyou work for some high class retailer, eh? :D
14:45.44bilarhcan they pay it off a pound a week? :D
14:46.02bilarhactually what's wrong with refurb laptops, though?
14:46.07bilarhi'd be happy to buy one to be honest
14:46.46dick_turpinbilarh: Genarally nothing in fact most are in mint condition its just a case of "Sods law"
14:47.40dick_turpinbilarh: I sold 3 brand new PC's one year guess what happened Christmas day! And what happened boxing day?
14:47.54bilarhxmas day they broke
14:47.59bilarhboxing day you had three angry customers :D
14:48.00mindbendrany recommendations for hardware firewalls? Cisco or Juniper?
14:48.15mindbendror Watchguard
14:48.23dick_turpinOh yeah.
14:49.10bilarhok, here's the thing...
14:49.24bilarhi know i say "jesus christ" a lot about the economy and companies etc etc at the moment
14:49.27bilarhbut
14:49.34bilarhjesus christ, check this out: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7733575.stm
14:49.44bilarhciti to cut 75k jobs :S :S :S
14:51.03dick_turpinbilarh: They have been on the way out for about 7 months now, I did have a card with them but paid it off when I had a letter saying they was closing branches
14:51.32bilarhyaeh but 75k jobs
14:51.35bilarhmainly in london and NY
14:52.13dick_turpinbilarh: I did consider running the limit up but even if they went bump I bet someone somewhere would hunt you down for the money
14:52.23bilarhoh definitely
14:52.40bilarhthe debt would be sold off to someone else by the receiver
14:58.58dick_turpinMind you Bank of Scotland wrote a debt off I had many many years ago, perhaps its taken all these years for it to have an effect? :-)
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15:45.44morsingHow is it you set a variable at the beginning of a command line?
15:46.26antiphasemorsing="gay" ./foo
15:46.36antiphaseor just export it into your environment
15:46.57morsingOh! Forgot the ;
15:47.21morsingThis works:
15:47.23morsingvalue=beer; echo $value      
15:47.40morsingBut does nothing if you leave out the ;
15:48.59antiphaseIt works if you use upper-case variable names
15:49.05antiphaseParser fail
15:50.40morsingantiphase: No, uppercase didn't do it either.
15:50.57morsingAnd I can do multiple assignments before the ;
15:52.31bilarhmorsing: you're not using the superior bash shell, are you?
15:52.34antiphaseYour shell smells of poo and wee
15:55.53bilarhsoo.. perhaps i shouldn't get those injectors
15:56.05bilarhit's possible to run dual injectors if you modify the inlet
15:56.16bilarhthat would be the dogs danglies, i reckon
15:56.29bilarhand about 35 quid plus a couple of bolts and a bit of welding
16:00.57antiphaseA bit of aluminium welding presumably
16:01.20bilarhyeah
16:01.27bilarhi've got my argon gas at the ready :P
16:40.32ChoHag"VAR=1 command" runs command with 'VAR=1' in the environment.
16:40.42ChoHags/the/its/
16:41.08ChoHag"VAR=1; command" puts 'VAR=1' in the shell's environment and then parses/runs command.
16:41.48ChoHagantiphase: What shell are you using?
16:43.55antiphasedash probably
16:44.38ChoHag[bash]kingm@far-102003:~$ dash
16:44.41ChoHag[sh]kingm@far-102003:/home/kingm$ X=1 echo $X
16:44.49ChoHag[sh]kingm@far-102003:/home/kingm$
16:45.08ChoHagWith a blank line...
16:46.42antiphaseGNU bash 3.2.39 I'm using, a la Ubuntu Hardy zmd64
16:48.33ChoHagNot there either.
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18:33.32morsingsabinef72!
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19:10.24morsingkonadr!
19:10.54konadrmorsing! what up old chap
19:10.59morsingBeer
19:11.11konadrhorray! delicious beer?
19:11.44morsingNo
19:11.47morsingImaginary
19:11.49konadr;(
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20:51.28_doughi there #gllug .. long time since I was at a meet ..
20:52.23_douglater ..
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21:05.19wethrinWell.....that was useful....
21:17.44ChoHaghttp://www.collegehumor.com/video:1886349
21:56.33ChoHagAAAA! How do you explain 'click and drag' to somebody?
21:56.49wethrinGive up
21:56.53wethrinGo grab a beer
22:05.24kjsChoHag: id say it's clicking and dragging
22:05.55kjsif that didnt work id experiance packet loss on my voip call.
22:11.52ChoHagHow can they be so incompetent and yet manage to uninstall their network drivers?
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23:20.39morsingnixofortune!
23:20.40morsingcatalyst!
23:20.50nixofortunehi
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23:36.47morsingLeeds!

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