IRC log for #gllug on 20081127

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04:46.33morsingLeeds!
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07:11.48morsingLeeds!
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09:27.20ChoHagDammit why does everyone seem to want to stop firefox from closing the window when the last tab is closed?
09:27.30ChoHagHow do I turn that back on?
09:27.53bilarhyou mean the "are you sure you want to close" dialogue box?
09:28.21ChoHagNo. I mean it opens a new tab whenever I close the last one.
09:28.34bilarhconfused
09:29.12Leedsbilarh: if you have a single tab open, and you close it - it doesn't close the browser, it replaces the closed tab with a blank one
09:29.19bilarhah right
09:29.23ChoHagYeah what he said.
09:29.43Leedsthere's probably an option somewhere in about:config
09:31.01ChoHagI don't think so.
09:31.16bilarhfinds a rivalling C implementation of 'tr' in his rpm codebase *sigh*
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09:32.01mindbendrmorning
09:32.08bilarh"let's see... i want a program that reads from stdin and replaces characters like the first arg with characters like the second arg"
09:32.11ChoHagWell you never know - maybe tr is unavailable.
09:32.23bilarhthe obvious solution is to implement a c program to do it, isn't it? :)
09:32.31bilarhi've never even seen a system where tr is unavailable
09:32.52ChoHagYes quite.
09:34.45antiphasebilarh: Where is it that you work precisely?
09:34.56bilarhantiphase: i'm too embarrased to say :)
09:36.06bilarhchohag: it comes in coreutils, so it's quite unlikely it wouldn't be there :D
09:36.27bilarhthe way things are going, i might not be working here for much longer anyway
09:37.25Discordianheh
09:37.26morsingmindbendr!
09:37.34ChoHagBy choice?
09:38.04DiscordianSeverely LARTing the sysadmin would probably get you the sack
09:38.14bilarhlart? :)
09:38.38Discordianwell etherkill maybe
09:38.51ChoHagGrrr. "Go into options and disable the features that are annoying you" is NOT a trick.
09:39.51bilarhdiscordian: Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool? :P
09:40.11Discordianbilarj was it something they wrote on Windows?
09:40.14DiscordianYeah
09:40.20bilarhno it's on linux
09:40.41bilarhquestion is, who's the luser? :) is it me for working here, or someone else?
09:41.12Discordianthe idiot who's reinvented all the tools they already have
09:41.26bilarhto be fair, it's one sysadmin/programmer that's written all this... i have no idea what the other software they write is like
09:41.37bilarhit must be quite good for the business we're in as people are keen on buying it :)
09:41.58bilarhbut still, it grates me when someone writes something that is already there
09:42.20DiscordianDoes the src have a TM on it?
09:42.25antiphaseI've seen the opposite on a couple of occasions, where someone knows many commands, but prefers to implement them all in Perl one-liners with optional system() calls or backticks
09:43.04bilarhdiscordian: no
09:43.09morsingBeer
09:43.17bilarhi'm guilty of back-ticking too much from time to time
09:43.34bilarhbut not in a one-liner, admittedly
09:45.39antiphaseLuckily for you, I can't remember where the Perl/Python implementation of `date -d 'yesterday'` lives in our code
09:46.01morsingantiphase: That's not right, is it?
09:46.43antiphaseWelcome to GNU date. I think the bloke was a BSD enthusiast
09:47.10DiscordianHeh
09:47.12morsingstuffs a treat up antiphase' nose
09:47.23DiscordianI was gonna say that's in GNU date
09:47.30antiphase`date -v -1d` works on BSD though. The bloke was just a loonie
09:49.02halireminds me of the "portfwd" tool i saw at a clients site once (big bank) ... it could forward tcp ports between boxes
09:49.11bilarhah crap
09:49.18halithe syntax was very good "portfwd -L500:192.168.1.1:5000 remotebox"
09:49.27bilarhi think i might have just dropped a politically incorrect stinking turd on the floor
09:49.41haliturns out it's was just a staticly linked ssh binary renamed :S
09:50.26bilarhso, my ex boss calls up and starts whinging about something, i say "stop whinging, you sound like a woman", forgetting that there's a woman right behind me
09:50.30bilarhand this is like the most PC place ever
09:50.44bilarhawaits his disciplinary action with baited breath
09:50.51ChoHagAh I thought that syntax looked familiar.
09:50.52bilarhthey put local government to shame
09:51.03bilarhhali: at least they didn't rewrite it :D
09:52.08morsingCawfy
09:52.28morsingColleague was surprised to find out he couldn't outrun an email...
09:52.33antiphasebaits bilarh's breath with more maggots
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09:58.41ChoHagGreasemonkey "Please puck an executable extension for user scripts" (without telling me what they might be)
09:58.52ChoHagIt's a fucking text file. What does an extension matter?
09:58.57ChoHagBloody windows users.
10:01.26ChoHagOh never mind. I misread it.
10:01.43morsingoffers ChoHag more cawfy
10:02.03ChoHagStill - bloody windows users - never a wasted phrase.
10:18.33morsingAnyone here ever tried using colour-tune plugs?
10:19.23ChoHagAnyone here know what they are?
10:19.35morsingChoHag: My guess would be yes...
10:21.33morsingBut most people are apparently asleep at this time of day...
10:26.48morsinggoes back to saying 'beer' randomly
10:27.30wethrinMost people might even be *working* at this time of day
10:27.41morsinglol :)  Right...
10:28.02wethrinNot everyone's job allows them to sit all day on IRC
10:29.15wethrinSuch as today. I'm going to be spending most of the day in the cleanroom
10:30.04morsingyay! :)))   Have fun!!!
10:41.12mindbendrcleanroom?
10:42.51ChoHagNot at your house.
10:44.07morsingmindbendr: wethrin wears a space suit in there
10:44.14morsing(and I'm not joking!)
10:44.23morsingNo photos available though
10:44.41mindbendrhmm
10:45.16mindbendra spacesuit would be nice at the tube
10:45.35mindbendror any public transport
10:45.43mindbendri'm sick of getting cold or flu
10:54.08wethrinIt's not a space suit. It's a cleanroom suit
10:55.01antiphaseSpace suit would be excessive when all you need is a bit of relative positive pressure inside to keep the bugs out
10:55.22antiphaseSpace suit also doesn't let farts out
10:55.30mindbendrhmm that'd be a problem
10:55.52mindbendrmay be it does
10:56.18wethrinantiphase: The positive pressure is in the room generally. The cleanroom suit itself is just a cover so any dust that the person generates is trapped inside the suit, rather than being let into the room
10:56.25mindbendrwhat do the astronauts do then?
10:56.35mindbendrfart and breath.
10:57.15morsingBeer
10:57.32wethrinNo, they don't have beer in space
10:57.53morsing!!
10:58.08mindbendrsounds like everybody in the channel was an astranaut once
10:58.11Discordianrecycled urine
10:58.28morsingwethrin: Photos?
10:59.42wethrinhttp://eco.li/photos
10:59.56morsingNo space suit photos there - only Toby photos
11:00.42mindbendrtoby and sam
11:00.43wethrinhttp://www.dur.ac.uk/images/EngineeringPages/Memsclnrm.jpg
11:28.50bilarhresult, i actually got a refund from a paypal seller :D
11:28.57wethrinooh
11:28.58wethrinhow?
11:29.01wethrinOr what for?
11:29.01bilarhordered a bunch of bolts about a month ago but didn't get anything
11:29.06wethrinahh
11:29.07bilarhand then i heard nothing about it
11:29.12bilarhit was a big company, but still :)
11:29.17antiphasesuspects set screws rather than bolts
11:29.38bilarhso i opened a dispute with paypal yesterday and then they replied to that and said the bolts were out of stock
11:29.39morsingwethrin: You shaved for that photo!
11:29.47bilarhantiphase: what's a set scrwe?
11:29.52bilarhthis was for m12 banjo bolts
11:29.56wethrinI'm annoyed by an ebid seller - bought some headphones off them a couple of months ago. They didn't arrive. Prodded them, they said they were probably lost in the post, and would send another one out. That didn't arrive
11:30.03wethrinAnd, frankly, i can't be arsed chasing it up any more
11:30.04bilarhor whatever it is that goes inside the "banjo"
11:30.07wethrinNot worth it timewise
11:30.43wethrinmorsing: I often shave. I'm not in those photos, anyway
11:30.43morsingYou're the guy in white, no?
11:30.43wethrinno
11:30.43morsing:(
11:30.43bilarhyeah like when that a-hole from barnsley ran off with my 150 quid for a turbo
11:30.49morsingTurbos--
11:30.50bilarhin the end i couldn't be bothered
11:30.56antiphaseA bolt has an unthreaded shoulder, whereas most things people call bolts are set screws
11:31.20bilarhshoulder = the part under the head?
11:31.23morsingWeird
11:31.26antiphaseFo shizzle
11:31.32bilarhso it is a bolt then :D
11:31.36antiphase\o/
11:31.55antiphaseThis was a public aservice announcement from the set screw awareness authority
11:33.00bilarhRESPEKT MY AUTHORITY
11:33.18bilarhauthoriteeeEEE
11:33.20morsingBeer
11:33.37bilarhmorsing: if you say beer once more, i'm going to elbow you on your nose
11:43.44morsingBeer
11:44.27j0nrmorning
11:44.36morsing*sigh*
11:45.01kjsanyone know of a cheap place to get a shell from? just for runnin irssi & screen, im getting moaned at for having a £45 a month vm for irssi :)
11:45.22bilarhdelivers an elbow to morsings nose. Mr Nose, meet Mr Elbow.
11:45.23j0nrmorsing: hope you're not sighing at me!
11:45.30morsingj0nr: I am
11:45.37morsingj0nr: Can't treat people differently
11:45.39bilarhkjs: openhosting.com
11:45.42morsingkjs: May I offer you one?
11:47.02j0nrdon't worry, i am not going to ask any questions...
11:48.06kjsmorsing: ?
11:54.32morsing11:45 < kjs> anyone know of a cheap place to get a shell from? just for runnin irssi & screen, im getting moaned at for having a £45 a month vm for irssi :)
11:55.26blightkjs: bytemark.co.uk
11:55.37morsingblight: LOL - are you serious? :D
11:56.21blightmorsing: stepping in halfway in the conversation here but I use them - costs me £15 or so a month I think
11:56.35blightmorsing: of course overkill for just a shell to use for irc
11:56.37antiphaseI've got a 15 quid Bytemark VM as well
11:56.44morsingblight: Try a /whois
11:56.55blightmorsing: on who?
11:56.57antiphaseChuck in backup MX and DSN as well as IRC and it's worth it
11:57.09morsingblight: Who were your comment directed at?
11:57.19morsing11:54 [freenode] -!- kjs [n=kjs@mx1.vm.bytemark.co.uk]
11:57.34antiphase15 quid != 45 quid
11:57.41morsingkjs: If you buy me a beer you have a free shell
11:57.53blightkjs: there are free shells out there too
11:57.55morsingAs long as you don't abuse it and I'lll kick you
11:58.00antiphaseHe'll only sniff your traffic on Sundays
11:58.38kjsahah, i only use it for irssi and screen.
12:07.18AndyMillarand tcpdump
12:08.58morsingBeer
12:41.32morsingBeer
12:43.38an0keyhmmm beer
12:52.15bilarhfuck me i'm bored
12:52.58morsingfucks bilarh silly
12:53.14bilarhi was just going to type that i didn't mean it literally
12:53.28morsingWell, we had fun in the meantime ;)
12:53.30bilarhscoobynet to the rescue
12:53.35morsingOr was it not good for you?
12:55.39halilube gentlemen
12:55.47morsingmmmmmmmmmmmmm lube
12:55.53morsingCreamy
13:03.46blightcan anyone here recommend a USB ADSL modem that works on Linux
13:04.08morsingNo
13:10.05haliNafallo: talking to your old employeer again :)
13:10.30Nafallohali: huh. why are you talking to Ultraspeed? :-)
13:11.08halidatahop
13:11.13Nafalloah
13:11.29haligetting pricing on DC-crossconnects
13:11.38haliim considering DR in bluesquare
13:12.14haliin the sticks, maidenhead or milton keynes
13:12.37morsingBeer
13:29.07kjsguys, if a job asks for "datacenter experiance" what exactly are they asking for?
13:29.47kjssomeone who know how to rack up servers etc and understands how a datacenter works? and can deal with high levels of noise :)
13:30.19morsingSomething like that :)
13:30.58antiphaseNot being a complete retard is useful. Many people that could in principle operate a screwdriver are utterly useless at being datacentre operatives
13:32.02halinot bringing a kebab and stella in to the datacentre
13:32.27kjs"Datacentre experience is essential" I have never worked in a large datacenter, however I know how to rack servers etc...
13:32.52haliit's usually slightly different in bigger dc's .. i.e. you can't do as much as you'd like yourself
13:33.07haliyou can't have cables hagning between racks etc... cabling needs to be tidy and done by a certified cabling company
13:33.13mindbendrkjs: apply then
13:33.32halibut nothing you can't pick up in like a week
13:34.03antiphasePeople rarely just rack kit though, they may have to be able to do basic networking and deal with customers
13:34.15halihm, working for a dc/isp sucks so bad though
13:34.30halieverything on a tiny budget, stupid customers
13:34.40kjsyeah sure,
13:34.52antiphaseBeing a rack monkey is soul destroying whoever you work for I suspect
13:35.01haliyes
13:35.15haliwhere typing "switchport access vlan 504" is the hightlight of your day
13:35.26kjsit's not so much a rack monkey, but states that is needed.
13:35.46antiphaseWhat is it then? Give us the goods
13:35.48halia real job with some parts of it in a dc is probably fine
13:36.27mindbendri can't even stand to spend a day in a DC, can't imagine working there
13:37.02kjsits just some small local contract around here deploying and supporting rhel
13:37.57morsingBeer
13:38.11antiphaseSounds suss if they want you to support it competently as well as get your hands dirty
13:39.32kjsantiphase: yeah it's probably hell.
13:40.48kjstbh the amount of "effort" i just put into writing the covering letter may reflect the fact i cba to write a covering letter atm :)
14:23.04morsingkjs: Did you get the job?
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14:23.49morsingNafallo_!
14:23.57morsing:(
14:24.05morsingThat was quick...
14:24.07morsing:(((
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14:24.25morsing\o/
14:24.28morsingNafallo!!!!!!!!
14:24.33morsingWe thought we'd lost you :)
14:24.45morsingantiphase was in tears...
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14:32.43morsingboudiccas!
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14:37.33morsingLeeds!
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15:01.42morsingNafallo!
15:16.00ChoHagOh for a LOM.
15:16.33ChoHagilo is highly gay.
15:17.08morsingSMS
15:17.10morsingftw
15:22.14haliilo is pretty good imo
15:22.20haliat least the full blown iLO2 with advanced pack
15:22.49haliSMS? shouldn't you be on about HMC?
15:23.13morsingNo - two different things
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15:23.20morsingkjs!
15:23.32morsingkjs: Like your ident field ;)
15:27.32ChoHagHah! HP give you different downloads for firmware depending on which OS you select.
15:27.41morsingBeer
15:30.37blightmorsing: grab one for me too - I could use one
15:30.42morsing??
15:31.34blight--> Beer
15:31.45morsingOh right... You confused me
15:32.34blightWhat you/you planning on drinking?
15:32.41ChoHagYou obviously weren't thinking enough about beer.
15:32.42morsingSherry
15:32.57morsingChoHag: You're right :)  FAIL
15:33.05blightmorsing: chaser? :)
15:33.18morsingSherry with whisky? Hmm... Interesting
15:34.04blightmorsing: I meant beer and sherry chaser :)
15:34.13morsinglol :)
15:34.40morsing20 mins to go
15:34.56blightmorsing: ? home time?
15:35.00blightmorsing: beer time?
15:35.00ChoHag25.
15:35.20morsingblight: Home time
15:35.49blightmorsing: early shift? or that regular leaving time?
15:35.57morsingRegular leaving time
15:35.58blightmorsing: I'm here till 18:00 ... gah
15:36.02morsingNice
15:36.35blightmorsing: by nice I assume you mean shit :)
15:37.18morsingYeah
15:37.28morsingblight: Where's Nicki?
15:37.44blightmorsing: now you've lost me
15:40.06morsinghttp://www.strappe.com/plug_plain_16.gif
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15:50.51morsingBeer
15:53.18blightmorsing: stop taunting me
15:54.17morsingHome time!
15:54.19morsingBye!!
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17:48.31morsingNafallo!
17:48.37morsingsabinef72!
17:50.23Nafallohi
17:51.36haliNafallo: not at dreamhack winter then? :)
17:51.40halijust saw it's on
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17:53.05Nafallohali: I've went to exactly ONE dreamhack, and that was while it was still once a year in borlange. back in 1999.
17:59.55halinever been but i wanted to when i was younger, mostly to perv over their big chassis switches :)
18:00.02haliok, pub time
18:28.23morsingBeer
18:36.10ChoHagHmm.
18:36.16ChoHagTidy up, code, or watch star trek.
18:36.53morsingStar Trek--
18:36.53morsingCode-
18:37.01morsingTidy up-
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19:52.10morsingBeer
19:52.29morsingChoHag: The suspense is killing us - what did you end up doing?
19:54.37morsinghttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld78iVuH2YQ
20:28.17ChoHagStar Trek.
20:28.32morsingyuck :((   Poor you
20:30.32ChoHagHow much are flat screens going for these days?
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20:31.40morsingboudiccas!
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20:34.30morsingsabinef72!
20:37.54z00daxChoHag: depends on what you want, a decent samsung 24" should be about £250
20:38.09z00daxor get an HP/Dell for about £340
20:38.10ChoHagFor TV mostly.
20:38.25z00daxin which case, why not get a TV ?
20:38.29ChoHagWe only have a small flat. 24" may be a bit much.
20:38.38ChoHagWell when I say 'TV' I mean 'DVDs'.
20:38.47ChoHagAnd the closest I have to a DVD player is the mac mini.
20:38.55morsingBeer
20:38.56z00dax24" isnt that big really
20:39.03ChoHagIt will be here.
20:39.18z00daxHP do a 23" display, 1920x1080, so HD ok
20:39.21ChoHagI have a 21" monitor and it's the biggest thing in the flat after the fridge.
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20:51.50morsingsally!
20:51.56morsingErmm... sabinef72!
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21:06.50morsingsabinef72!
21:33.53morsingBeer
22:27.05morsingG'night all
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