00:31.58 | rhowe | Some git's digging up the road outside my window! |
00:32.01 | rhowe | Using a circular saw and an air compressor |
00:34.02 | z00dax | at this hour of the night ? |
00:34.07 | rhowe | yup |
00:34.15 | z00dax | call the cops / council ? |
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00:34.19 | z00dax | hi Leeds |
00:34.28 | rhowe | I suspect it's a utility company doing emergency works |
00:34.42 | rhowe | whatever. I'll sleep through it no probs |
00:34.44 | z00dax | wonders if he should try the db/2 Express-C db for his next hobby project |
00:37.17 | Leeds | z00dax: nope |
00:37.44 | Discordian | oracle-xe is fun |
00:38.14 | Leeds | the only database worth using is mysql |
00:38.22 | z00dax | db2 e-c has hadr too! |
00:38.34 | z00dax | umm mysql is ok for some things... |
01:56.43 | kjs_ | morning |
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06:02.34 | morsing | Leeds! |
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07:56.23 | morsing | LeedsHK! |
07:56.26 | morsing | rhowe! |
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08:24.22 | morsing | Beer |
08:43.04 | ChoHag | Oh great. |
08:43.32 | ChoHag | Lotus IMAP for some undoubtedly dumb reason strips off the last 17 bytes (18 inc newline?) |
08:43.47 | ChoHag | The windows losers who run it will just tell me I should be using the notes client. |
08:49.10 | j0nr | morning |
08:50.00 | morsing | j0nr! |
08:50.49 | j0nr | ello |
08:52.15 | morsing | Cawfy? |
09:01.02 | j0nr | perfer tea |
09:01.06 | j0nr | prefer even |
09:01.38 | morsing | :((( Poor you - that's pretty disgusting |
09:01.57 | j0nr | you don't like tea??? |
09:02.09 | morsing | No of course not, it's vile and vomit inducing |
09:02.11 | j0nr | I will never understand how someone can't like tea |
09:02.17 | morsing | *sigh* |
09:02.36 | j0nr | i like coffee too, but just prefer tea... drink gallons of it a day |
09:02.39 | j0nr | too much perhaps |
09:02.51 | morsing | A drop is too much |
09:03.43 | ChoHag | Ah it seems as if its confusing LF and CRLF. |
09:04.06 | j0nr | got a htc touch hd yesterday |
09:04.10 | j0nr | its very shiny |
09:06.54 | j0nr | works well for OSM which is something i really wanted |
09:07.28 | j0nr | brb gotta reboot |
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09:11.06 | morsing | j0nr! |
09:11.33 | j0nr | ello |
09:11.53 | bilarh | morning people |
09:12.03 | morsing | bilarh! |
09:12.09 | bilarh | morsing! |
09:13.57 | morsing | tea-- |
09:24.39 | morsing | Leeds! |
09:32.03 | bilarh | damnit, hsbc suck |
09:32.13 | bilarh | their online banking always goes down when people get paid |
09:33.22 | morsing | bilarh: Of course, it's a British bank, they all suck |
09:34.23 | morsing | God I'm bored |
09:35.08 | Leeds | I could wander along to their old HQ... |
09:35.36 | Leeds | they used to be an Asian bank... it all fell apart when they became British |
09:36.07 | bilarh | at least it's friday :D |
09:36.30 | Leeds | it's also very almost beer o'clock |
09:37.04 | bilarh | more importantly, i have enough money to buy a new gearbox now if mine breaks :D |
09:37.11 | bilarh | almost |
09:37.15 | morsing | Leeds: What's for tea? |
09:37.15 | bilarh | in a month i should :) |
09:37.37 | Leeds | morsing: dunno, actually - going to Cityplaza with Irene, we'll see when we get there |
09:37.47 | morsing | Can I come? |
09:38.19 | Leeds | don't think so, no |
09:38.28 | morsing | :( |
09:39.14 | Leeds | first, because I'm going to do some window-shopping and get some food with my gf, and you'd be a rather obvious third wheel |
09:39.33 | morsing | I'm used to that |
09:39.35 | Leeds | second, and more importantly, it's pysically impossible for you to get to cityplaza in the next couple of hours |
09:39.47 | morsing | How do you know? |
09:39.54 | Leeds | because you're in the UK |
09:39.59 | morsing | How do you know? |
09:40.21 | Leeds | I don't know, but it's an entirely reasonable assumption |
09:40.30 | morsing | It is but you don't *know* |
09:40.40 | Leeds | I don't know |
09:42.58 | morsing | *yawn* |
09:43.28 | morsing | Ok, who thinks Colette will accept if I ask her out for lunch today? |
09:44.26 | morsing | Leeds? |
09:45.40 | Leeds | I think she will |
09:45.45 | morsing | :D |
09:45.46 | morsing | Yay! |
09:45.51 | Leeds | do you mean ask her *out*, or just ask her? |
09:45.51 | morsing | mmmmmmmmmmmmm |
09:46.23 | morsing | Well, she won't know the difference - I'll ask her if she wants to go to the pub for lunch |
09:46.32 | morsing | Can mean anything |
09:46.37 | Leeds | right, that's my point |
09:46.40 | morsing | Can mean anything |
09:46.55 | morsing | You have no point - read my question again |
09:49.43 | hali | and it depends on how you ask |
09:49.49 | hali | is it "can i take you to lunch today?" |
09:49.56 | hali | or "oi im going to the pub, wanna come?" |
09:50.22 | morsing | I was going to say something like "Fancy going out for lunch?" |
09:50.29 | hali | thats nice and casual |
09:50.36 | morsing | But my plans have been ruined now by my bloody colleague!!!!! |
09:50.40 | hali | i think she'll accept |
09:50.44 | morsing | *sigh* Won't happen now |
09:50.49 | morsing | I think she would too |
09:50.58 | morsing | :( |
09:51.02 | morsing | Neil-- |
09:51.49 | bilarh | sometimes, with women, you need to get straight to the point |
09:52.02 | bilarh | you should stage your question like this |
09:52.12 | bilarh | first ger her comfortable by chit-chatting |
09:52.24 | bilarh | then casually slip in a "fancy a quickie in the toilets" |
09:52.29 | bilarh | if she doesn't slap you she fancies you |
09:52.35 | bilarh | if she does, you can move on |
09:52.54 | morsing | bilarh: We've been chatting for months and I think she's disappointed I haven't asked her out (properly) yet |
09:53.00 | morsing | But I get too nervous |
09:53.29 | hali | i usually go with "there is a party in my pants and you're invited" |
09:53.53 | hali | or "do you beleive in god?" "you will when i take my shirt off" |
09:54.07 | morsing | All good suggestions... |
09:54.25 | ChoHag | Fuck being nervous. |
09:54.27 | hali | i can vouch for my two lines, they have a 0 % success ratio so far |
09:54.27 | ChoHag | Waste of time. |
09:54.35 | ChoHag | What's the worst she can do? Say no? |
09:54.43 | hali | think your a sad cunt? |
09:54.44 | morsing | ChoHag: It's not a fear of rejection |
09:54.55 | ChoHag | Fear of acceptance? |
09:55.39 | morsing | No - fear of asking - what she says or does after that makes no difference |
09:55.56 | morsing | And I'm 99% she'd say yes, she really likes me |
09:55.56 | ChoHag | Sod that. Just ask her. |
09:56.02 | morsing | Often comes over to chat |
09:56.12 | morsing | ChoHag: And collapse in front of her? |
09:56.30 | ChoHag | Ask her or we will collectively humiliate you. |
09:56.34 | morsing | Nice |
09:56.48 | morsing | ChoHag: Moot point now that Neil got in the way... |
09:57.11 | ChoHag | Pop him. |
09:57.15 | morsing | :-/ |
09:57.29 | morsing | Or is that moo point |
09:57.57 | morsing | Anyway, I've already got two girls on the go so a third might be a bit of a stretch |
10:02.15 | ChoHag | Meh. |
10:05.17 | morsing | Second date with Helen on Saturday and third date with Odette next week. I'm still more interested in Colette though |
10:06.37 | antiphase | We don't care unless you've boned them all |
10:07.16 | hali | third date, obviously boned |
10:08.07 | morsing | Well, third date next week so hopefully yes |
10:19.59 | Leeds | time to go meet my young lady :-) |
11:02.05 | AndyMillar | any of you guys use tape much? |
11:02.35 | morsing | Kinda, had a split hose the other day I taped up. Why? |
11:02.48 | AndyMillar | getting shit performance when tarring to it :( |
11:03.06 | morsing | Block size? Compression? |
11:03.16 | wethrin | yeah....block size is important |
11:03.38 | AndyMillar | what's a godo blocksize to use? |
11:03.40 | AndyMillar | good* |
11:03.48 | wethrin | Mmm, fire alarm |
11:03.54 | morsing | AndyMillar: 0 |
11:03.55 | bilarh | how large blocks does your tar support? :) |
11:04.01 | wethrin | AndyMillar: Test it |
11:04.23 | bilarh | what kind of files are they btw? |
11:04.27 | bilarh | average size etc |
11:04.41 | AndyMillar | varies from 10k-8gb |
11:05.06 | bilarh | ok, what about "mode" size? :) |
11:05.06 | ChoHag | I have discovered a rather irritating IMAP bug in Lotus. |
11:05.21 | bilarh | chohag: loturd is annoying full stop |
11:05.44 | AndyMillar | 10-100k ;p |
11:05.45 | ChoHag | It tells you it will send <messagesize> bytes, and then passes the file through s/\n/\r\n/ |
11:05.59 | ChoHag | Thus increasing the number of bytes it actually sends. |
11:06.05 | AndyMillar | word documents mainly :( |
11:06.13 | bilarh | use a 10k'ish block size maybe |
11:06.15 | bilarh | 16384? :) |
11:06.19 | bilarh | nice and round number |
11:06.29 | bilarh | imo |
11:06.32 | bilarh | without having tested it |
11:07.26 | AndyMillar | is there a reason for not using a 10M blocksize? |
11:07.47 | bilarh | isn't each file at least one block? |
11:07.47 | AndyMillar | (i.e. is it completley pointless given that the files i'm tarrign are small?) |
11:09.15 | AndyMillar | do you want bs>filesize of filesize>bs ? |
11:09.30 | morsing | filesize>bs |
11:09.42 | bilarh | if my assumption is correct, you'd want filesize = n*blocksize |
11:09.47 | bilarh | where n is as small as possible |
11:09.54 | bilarh | but true for as many files as possible |
11:10.10 | AndyMillar | ah |
11:10.18 | bilarh | and blocksize shouldn't be too big, as otherwise if you end up with a filesize = n*blocksize + a little bit, you end up writing a massive extra block |
11:10.29 | AndyMillar | so if you had all 10GB files, you'd want a 10GB blocksize |
11:10.43 | bilarh | but, having said that, i'm just guessing regarding one block -> one file |
11:10.55 | bilarh | i don't know if tar supports that |
11:12.21 | bilarh | http://www.apl.jhu.edu/Misc/Unix-info/tar/tar_91.html |
11:13.46 | AndyMillar | the annoying thing i'm getting with the "default" bs is tape does write->pause->write->pause |
11:15.46 | bilarh | ah |
11:15.57 | bilarh | i honestly haven't worked that much with tapes so i don't know |
11:16.21 | bilarh | what tar are you using? |
11:17.02 | bilarh | this might sound a bit crazy, and probably doesn't work, but what if you do "tar cf - myfiles | cat > /dev/st0" or whatever your tape is called? |
11:18.34 | ChoHag | s/f -// |
11:18.53 | bilarh | huh? |
11:18.58 | wethrin | There's an optimal bs for most tape drives |
11:19.05 | wethrin | dd is your friend in finding this out |
11:19.42 | ChoHag | 'tar c myfiles' is fine. Output is to stdout by default. |
11:20.41 | bilarh | ah i see |
11:20.53 | morsing | Beer |
11:44.34 | AndyMillar | bilarh: tar -c filex > /dev/st0 might be a good idea |
11:47.28 | bilarh | yeah that would do the same as the cat one i suppose |
11:47.31 | bilarh | without extra buffering |
11:48.58 | kjs | morning |
11:57.54 | morsing | kjs! |
12:00.58 | kjs | hows it going morsing |
12:01.03 | morsing | Crap |
12:01.30 | kjs | bytemark, cut my vm off within about 2 mins of me sending an email yesterday asking to cancel it. |
12:01.36 | morsing | :)) |
12:01.49 | kjs | morsing: whats up? |
12:02.00 | morsing | 'tis ok... |
12:06.14 | kjs | do you guys have to draw network diagrams? |
12:06.44 | morsing | No of course not |
12:13.21 | hali | yes i do |
12:14.24 | morsing | Beer |
12:15.33 | kjs | hali: what do you use to draw them? |
12:20.31 | hali | kjs: visio |
12:20.41 | hali | kjs: there are no good alternatives, visio is outstanding |
12:24.48 | ChoHag | Pen works too. |
12:24.50 | ChoHag | Pencil is better. |
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13:24.10 | dick_turpin | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Kitten |
13:30.34 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
13:30.57 | dick_turpin | morsing: :-) |
13:31.43 | morsing | had the sharing mixed grill for two - five different meats, and a pint of ale |
13:32.28 | hali | did she have five or six meats? |
13:34.18 | morsing | Kevin only had beer - we were seated in the romantic corner though |
13:48.43 | morsing | http://www.catswhothrowupgrass.com/kill.php |
13:53.35 | morsing | BEER |
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13:55.47 | morsing | Leeds! |
13:56.11 | ChoHag | We're using java, ie, oracle forms, ias and an oracle database. |
13:56.18 | ChoHag | Nobody can work out why it's going wrong... |
13:57.02 | ChoHag | ias, for those not aware, seems to be an entire operating system written as a java applet. |
13:57.48 | morsing | It's pretty cool |
14:00.41 | ChoHag | ... |
14:35.50 | gregj | anyone knows if there's a way to interrupt C call sleep() ? |
14:36.13 | gregj | ie, let it return earlier, by sending kill signal to process ? |
14:37.40 | morsing | Erm... Why do you think it's un-interruptable? |
14:38.06 | gregj | not that |
14:38.10 | morsing | Or do you want the process to keep running but exit the sleep? |
14:38.23 | gregj | I have a bit of code that sleeps for a bits, and I want it to continue to run, leave sleep before time elapses |
14:38.29 | morsing | Right |
14:38.32 | gregj | not just completly kill it as such |
14:38.33 | gregj | :P |
14:38.38 | antiphase | Use select instead |
14:39.30 | bilarh | gregj: sigalrm |
14:39.36 | bilarh | afaik] |
14:40.37 | morsing | ibot bilarh |
14:40.38 | ibot | rumour has it, bilarh is probably making a fool of himself, as usual, or mad, or a java monkey and abuses log4j, or not a cool dude, or a cool dude, apparently, or a kangaroo in a wig, or leaving |
14:41.11 | morsing | bilarh: Are you leaving again? |
14:41.21 | ChoHag | wtf am I going to do for the next hour and a half? |
14:41.26 | morsing | ibot ChoHag |
14:41.33 | morsing | ChoHag: Drink beer? |
14:41.42 | ChoHag | At work. |
14:41.49 | morsing | ibot ChoHag is fixing Lotus |
14:41.49 | ibot | morsing: okay |
14:41.51 | morsing | ChoHag: Drink beer? |
14:42.33 | ChoHag | I'd like to make the auto install system here not suck, but I don't think I really care. |
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14:44.28 | bilarh | nah i was testing my sigalrm theory |
14:44.29 | bilarh | i was wrong |
14:44.46 | ChoHag | I could play with libvirt some, but the amount of documentation equals approximately 0 and I should soon get a CPU that will actually make it not unbearably slow. |
14:44.47 | morsing | boudiccas! |
14:45.00 | bilarh | although the process does receive the signal alright |
14:45.07 | morsing | Beer |
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14:59.06 | morsing | Beer |
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20:08.13 | morsing | boudiccas! |
20:12.26 | morsing | Beer |
20:18.51 | morsing | Hello? |
20:19.24 | antiphase | Everyone's out drinking beer instead of IRCing |
20:19.28 | morsing | Weird |
20:19.44 | morsing | Served three aces today |
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20:44.06 | morsing | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6dS0UOy7PeQ&feature=related |
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22:11.09 | morsing | j0nr! |
22:15.37 | j0nr | morsing: |
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22:17.27 | morsing | j0nr! |
22:18.43 | j0nr | morsing! |
22:18.45 | j0nr | lol |
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22:42.02 | kjs | evening |
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22:42.09 | morsing | j0nr! |
22:42.11 | morsing | kjs! |
22:42.19 | kjs | morsing: ! |
22:58.03 | morsing | What's =-0 in AOL Messenger? |
22:58.40 | Discordian | america OnLine |
22:58.57 | morsing | ?? |
23:00.59 | morsing | No-one knows? Can I look it up somewhere? |
23:01.40 | Discordian | google? |
23:02.02 | morsing | Discordian: Idiot |
23:02.03 | antiphase | JFGI |
23:02.04 | morsing | Oh, found a dictionary |
23:02.05 | morsing | http://www.sharpened.net/glossary/aol_emoticons.php |
23:02.47 | Discordian | amazing |
23:02.49 | morsing | antiphase: Idiot too |
23:03.01 | antiphase | Suck my balls |
23:04.03 | Discordian | cor he called me an idiot |
23:04.11 | Discordian | i'm proud |
23:04.39 | Discordian | if he's clever i'd rather be an idiot |
23:05.01 | kjs | damn this perl is melting my brain |
23:05.19 | kjs | considers learning another language... |
23:05.40 | Discordian | aix must really be brain damaging |
23:05.57 | antiphase | Perl is good for your health |
23:06.18 | kjs | antiphase: how so |
23:06.39 | Discordian | i recommend apl or forth |
23:07.25 | antiphase | You should have an appreciation of both C and Perl as part of your journey into computing, whether you choose to continue with them or not |
23:08.02 | Discordian | looks worried |
23:08.21 | Discordian | and FORTRAN |
23:08.30 | kjs | why? |
23:09.39 | Discordian | I can code hello.c in K&R white book C |
23:12.42 | kjs | I can't |
23:12.53 | kjs | but im sure i could copy it out of a book :) |
23:13.33 | Discordian | it's as far as i got with only a slight exaggeration |
23:14.12 | kjs | Discordian: that painfull? |
23:15.10 | Discordian | Depends really, I used to hack C with inline assembler |
23:15.27 | Discordian | But I don't like C |
23:17.44 | kjs | never tried C |
23:18.20 | antiphase | What's the problem with Perl anyway, or is it just general brain frazzle? |
23:18.41 | z00dax | D, its the new C |
23:18.47 | Discordian | It's fine I just would never write kLOCS in C |
23:18.56 | Discordian | I like perl |
23:19.04 | morsing | z00dax: Check it! |
23:19.05 | kjs | Well no problem as such, just a steep curv |
23:19.26 | z00dax | morsing: beer! |
23:19.30 | morsing | Milk! |
23:20.01 | Discordian | I always thought the language after C should be P |
23:20.10 | Discordian | likes BCPL |