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00:31.58rhoweSome git's digging up the road outside my window!
00:32.01rhoweUsing a circular saw and an air compressor
00:34.02z00daxat this hour of the night ?
00:34.07rhoweyup
00:34.15z00daxcall the cops / council ?
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00:34.19z00daxhi Leeds
00:34.28rhoweI suspect it's a utility company doing emergency works
00:34.42rhowewhatever. I'll sleep through it no probs
00:34.44z00daxwonders if he should try the db/2 Express-C db for his next hobby project
00:37.17Leedsz00dax: nope
00:37.44Discordianoracle-xe is fun
00:38.14Leedsthe only database worth using is mysql
00:38.22z00daxdb2 e-c has hadr too!
00:38.34z00daxumm mysql is ok for some things...
01:56.43kjs_morning
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06:02.34morsingLeeds!
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07:56.23morsingLeedsHK!
07:56.26morsingrhowe!
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08:24.22morsingBeer
08:43.04ChoHagOh great.
08:43.32ChoHagLotus IMAP for some undoubtedly dumb reason strips off the last 17 bytes (18 inc newline?)
08:43.47ChoHagThe windows losers who run it will just tell me I should be using the notes client.
08:49.10j0nrmorning
08:50.00morsingj0nr!
08:50.49j0nrello
08:52.15morsingCawfy?
09:01.02j0nrperfer tea
09:01.06j0nrprefer even
09:01.38morsing:(((   Poor you - that's pretty disgusting
09:01.57j0nryou don't like tea???
09:02.09morsingNo of course not, it's vile and vomit inducing
09:02.11j0nrI will never understand how someone can't like tea
09:02.17morsing*sigh*
09:02.36j0nri like coffee too, but just prefer tea... drink gallons of it a day
09:02.39j0nrtoo much perhaps
09:02.51morsingA drop is too much
09:03.43ChoHagAh it seems as if its confusing LF and CRLF.
09:04.06j0nrgot a htc touch hd yesterday
09:04.10j0nrits very shiny
09:06.54j0nrworks well for OSM which is something i really wanted
09:07.28j0nrbrb gotta reboot
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09:11.06morsingj0nr!
09:11.33j0nrello
09:11.53bilarhmorning people
09:12.03morsingbilarh!
09:12.09bilarhmorsing!
09:13.57morsingtea--
09:24.39morsingLeeds!
09:32.03bilarhdamnit, hsbc suck
09:32.13bilarhtheir online banking always goes down when people get paid
09:33.22morsingbilarh: Of course, it's a British bank, they all suck
09:34.23morsingGod I'm bored
09:35.08LeedsI could wander along to their old HQ...
09:35.36Leedsthey used to be an Asian bank... it all fell apart when they became British
09:36.07bilarhat least it's friday :D
09:36.30Leedsit's also very almost beer o'clock
09:37.04bilarhmore importantly, i have enough money to buy a new gearbox now if mine breaks :D
09:37.11bilarhalmost
09:37.15morsingLeeds: What's for tea?
09:37.15bilarhin a month i should :)
09:37.37Leedsmorsing: dunno, actually - going to Cityplaza with Irene, we'll see when we get there
09:37.47morsingCan I come?
09:38.19Leedsdon't think so, no
09:38.28morsing:(
09:39.14Leedsfirst, because I'm going to do some window-shopping and get some food with my gf, and you'd be a rather obvious third wheel
09:39.33morsingI'm used to that
09:39.35Leedssecond, and more importantly, it's pysically impossible for you to get to cityplaza in the next couple of hours
09:39.47morsingHow do you know?
09:39.54Leedsbecause you're in the UK
09:39.59morsingHow do you know?
09:40.21LeedsI don't know, but it's an entirely reasonable assumption
09:40.30morsingIt is but you don't *know*
09:40.40LeedsI don't know
09:42.58morsing*yawn*
09:43.28morsingOk, who thinks Colette will accept if I ask her out for lunch today?
09:44.26morsingLeeds?
09:45.40LeedsI think she will
09:45.45morsing:D
09:45.46morsingYay!
09:45.51Leedsdo you mean ask her *out*, or just ask her?
09:45.51morsingmmmmmmmmmmmmm
09:46.23morsingWell, she won't know the difference - I'll ask her if she wants to go to the pub for lunch
09:46.32morsingCan mean anything
09:46.37Leedsright, that's my point
09:46.40morsingCan mean anything
09:46.55morsingYou have no point - read my question again
09:49.43haliand it depends on how you ask
09:49.49haliis it "can i take you to lunch today?"
09:49.56halior "oi im going to the pub, wanna come?"
09:50.22morsingI was going to say something like "Fancy going out for lunch?"
09:50.29halithats nice and casual
09:50.36morsingBut my plans have been ruined now by my bloody colleague!!!!!
09:50.40halii think she'll accept
09:50.44morsing*sigh*   Won't happen now
09:50.49morsingI think she would too
09:50.58morsing:(
09:51.02morsingNeil--
09:51.49bilarhsometimes, with women, you need to get straight to the point
09:52.02bilarhyou should stage your question like this
09:52.12bilarhfirst ger her comfortable by chit-chatting
09:52.24bilarhthen casually slip in a "fancy a quickie in the toilets"
09:52.29bilarhif she doesn't slap you she fancies you
09:52.35bilarhif she does, you can move on
09:52.54morsingbilarh: We've been chatting for months and I think she's disappointed I haven't asked her out (properly) yet
09:53.00morsingBut I get too nervous
09:53.29halii usually go with "there is a party in my pants and you're invited"
09:53.53halior "do you beleive in god?" "you will when i take my shirt off"
09:54.07morsingAll good suggestions...
09:54.25ChoHagFuck being nervous.
09:54.27halii can vouch for my two lines, they have a 0 % success ratio so far
09:54.27ChoHagWaste of time.
09:54.35ChoHagWhat's the worst she can do? Say no?
09:54.43halithink your a sad cunt?
09:54.44morsingChoHag: It's not a fear of rejection
09:54.55ChoHagFear of acceptance?
09:55.39morsingNo - fear of asking - what she says or does after that makes no difference
09:55.56morsingAnd I'm 99% she'd say yes, she really likes me
09:55.56ChoHagSod that. Just ask her.
09:56.02morsingOften comes over to chat
09:56.12morsingChoHag: And collapse in front of her?
09:56.30ChoHagAsk her or we will collectively humiliate you.
09:56.34morsingNice
09:56.48morsingChoHag: Moot point now that Neil got in the way...
09:57.11ChoHagPop him.
09:57.15morsing:-/
09:57.29morsingOr is that moo point
09:57.57morsingAnyway, I've already got two girls on the go so a third might be a bit of a stretch
10:02.15ChoHagMeh.
10:05.17morsingSecond date with Helen on Saturday and third date with Odette next week. I'm still more interested in Colette though
10:06.37antiphaseWe don't care unless you've boned them all
10:07.16halithird date, obviously boned
10:08.07morsingWell, third date next week so hopefully yes
10:19.59Leedstime to go meet my young lady :-)
11:02.05AndyMillarany of you guys use tape much?
11:02.35morsingKinda, had a split hose the other day I taped up. Why?
11:02.48AndyMillargetting shit performance when tarring to it :(
11:03.06morsingBlock size? Compression?
11:03.16wethrinyeah....block size is important
11:03.38AndyMillarwhat's a godo blocksize to use?
11:03.40AndyMillargood*
11:03.48wethrinMmm, fire alarm
11:03.54morsingAndyMillar: 0
11:03.55bilarhhow large blocks does your tar support? :)
11:04.01wethrinAndyMillar: Test it
11:04.23bilarhwhat kind of files are they btw?
11:04.27bilarhaverage size etc
11:04.41AndyMillarvaries from 10k-8gb
11:05.06bilarhok, what about "mode" size? :)
11:05.06ChoHagI have discovered a rather irritating IMAP bug in Lotus.
11:05.21bilarhchohag: loturd is annoying full stop
11:05.44AndyMillar10-100k ;p
11:05.45ChoHagIt tells you it will send <messagesize> bytes, and then passes the file through s/\n/\r\n/
11:05.59ChoHagThus increasing the number of bytes it actually sends.
11:06.05AndyMillarword documents mainly :(
11:06.13bilarhuse a 10k'ish block size maybe
11:06.15bilarh16384? :)
11:06.19bilarhnice and round number
11:06.29bilarhimo
11:06.32bilarhwithout having tested it
11:07.26AndyMillaris there a reason for not using a 10M blocksize?
11:07.47bilarhisn't each file at least one block?
11:07.47AndyMillar(i.e. is it completley pointless given that the files i'm tarrign are small?)
11:09.15AndyMillardo you want bs>filesize of filesize>bs ?
11:09.30morsingfilesize>bs
11:09.42bilarhif my assumption is correct, you'd want filesize = n*blocksize
11:09.47bilarhwhere n is as small as possible
11:09.54bilarhbut true for as many files as possible
11:10.10AndyMillarah
11:10.18bilarhand blocksize shouldn't be too big, as otherwise if you end up with a filesize = n*blocksize + a little bit, you end up writing a massive extra block
11:10.29AndyMillarso if you had all 10GB files, you'd want a 10GB blocksize
11:10.43bilarhbut, having said that, i'm just guessing regarding one block -> one file
11:10.55bilarhi don't know if tar supports that
11:12.21bilarhhttp://www.apl.jhu.edu/Misc/Unix-info/tar/tar_91.html
11:13.46AndyMillarthe annoying thing i'm getting with the "default" bs is tape does write->pause->write->pause
11:15.46bilarhah
11:15.57bilarhi honestly haven't worked that much with tapes so i don't know
11:16.21bilarhwhat tar are you using?
11:17.02bilarhthis might sound a bit crazy, and probably doesn't work, but what if you do "tar cf - myfiles | cat > /dev/st0" or whatever your tape is called?
11:18.34ChoHags/f -//
11:18.53bilarhhuh?
11:18.58wethrinThere's an optimal bs for most tape drives
11:19.05wethrindd is your friend in finding this out
11:19.42ChoHag'tar c myfiles' is fine. Output is to stdout by default.
11:20.41bilarhah i see
11:20.53morsingBeer
11:44.34AndyMillarbilarh: tar -c filex > /dev/st0 might be a good idea
11:47.28bilarhyeah that would do the same as the cat one i suppose
11:47.31bilarhwithout extra buffering
11:48.58kjsmorning
11:57.54morsingkjs!
12:00.58kjshows it going morsing
12:01.03morsingCrap
12:01.30kjsbytemark, cut my vm off within about 2 mins of me sending an email yesterday asking to cancel it.
12:01.36morsing:))
12:01.49kjsmorsing: whats up?
12:02.00morsing'tis ok...
12:06.14kjsdo you guys have to draw network diagrams?
12:06.44morsingNo of course not
12:13.21haliyes i do
12:14.24morsingBeer
12:15.33kjshali: what do you use to draw them?
12:20.31halikjs: visio
12:20.41halikjs: there are no good alternatives, visio is outstanding
12:24.48ChoHagPen works too.
12:24.50ChoHagPencil is better.
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13:24.10dick_turpinhttp://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Kitten
13:30.34morsingdick_turpin!
13:30.57dick_turpinmorsing: :-)
13:31.43morsinghad the sharing mixed grill for two - five different meats, and a pint of ale
13:32.28halidid she have five or six meats?
13:34.18morsingKevin only had beer - we were seated in the romantic corner though
13:48.43morsinghttp://www.catswhothrowupgrass.com/kill.php
13:53.35morsingBEER
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13:55.47morsingLeeds!
13:56.11ChoHagWe're using java, ie, oracle forms, ias and an oracle database.
13:56.18ChoHagNobody can work out why it's going wrong...
13:57.02ChoHagias, for those not aware, seems to be an entire operating system written as a java applet.
13:57.48morsingIt's pretty cool
14:00.41ChoHag...
14:35.50gregjanyone knows if there's a way to interrupt C call sleep() ?
14:36.13gregjie, let it return earlier, by sending kill signal to process ?
14:37.40morsingErm... Why do you think it's un-interruptable?
14:38.06gregjnot that
14:38.10morsingOr do you want the process to keep running but exit the sleep?
14:38.23gregjI have a bit of code that sleeps for a bits, and I want it to continue to run, leave sleep before time elapses
14:38.29morsingRight
14:38.32gregjnot just completly kill it as such
14:38.33gregj:P
14:38.38antiphaseUse select instead
14:39.30bilarhgregj: sigalrm
14:39.36bilarhafaik]
14:40.37morsingibot bilarh
14:40.38ibotrumour has it, bilarh is probably making a fool of himself, as usual, or mad, or a java monkey and abuses log4j, or not a cool dude,  or a cool dude, apparently, or a kangaroo in a wig, or leaving
14:41.11morsingbilarh: Are you leaving again?
14:41.21ChoHagwtf am I going to do for the next hour and a half?
14:41.26morsingibot ChoHag
14:41.33morsingChoHag: Drink beer?
14:41.42ChoHagAt work.
14:41.49morsingibot ChoHag is fixing Lotus
14:41.49ibotmorsing: okay
14:41.51morsingChoHag: Drink beer?
14:42.33ChoHagI'd like to make the auto install system here not suck, but I don't think I really care.
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14:44.28bilarhnah i was testing my sigalrm theory
14:44.29bilarhi was wrong
14:44.46ChoHagI could play with libvirt some, but the amount of documentation equals approximately 0 and I should soon get a CPU that will actually make it not unbearably slow.
14:44.47morsingboudiccas!
14:45.00bilarhalthough the process does receive the signal alright
14:45.07morsingBeer
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20:08.13morsingboudiccas!
20:12.26morsingBeer
20:18.51morsingHello?
20:19.24antiphaseEveryone's out drinking beer instead of IRCing
20:19.28morsingWeird
20:19.44morsingServed three aces today
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20:44.06morsinghttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6dS0UOy7PeQ&feature=related
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22:11.09morsingj0nr!
22:15.37j0nrmorsing:
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22:17.27morsingj0nr!
22:18.43j0nrmorsing!
22:18.45j0nrlol
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22:42.09morsingj0nr!
22:42.11morsingkjs!
22:42.19kjsmorsing: !
22:58.03morsingWhat's =-0 in AOL Messenger?
22:58.40Discordianamerica OnLine
22:58.57morsing??
23:00.59morsingNo-one knows? Can I look it up somewhere?
23:01.40Discordiangoogle?
23:02.02morsingDiscordian: Idiot
23:02.03antiphaseJFGI
23:02.04morsingOh, found a dictionary
23:02.05morsinghttp://www.sharpened.net/glossary/aol_emoticons.php
23:02.47Discordianamazing
23:02.49morsingantiphase: Idiot too
23:03.01antiphaseSuck my balls
23:04.03Discordiancor he called me an idiot
23:04.11Discordiani'm proud
23:04.39Discordianif he's clever i'd rather be an idiot
23:05.01kjsdamn this perl is melting my brain
23:05.19kjsconsiders learning another language...
23:05.40Discordianaix must really be brain damaging
23:05.57antiphasePerl is good for your health
23:06.18kjsantiphase: how so
23:06.39Discordiani recommend apl or forth
23:07.25antiphaseYou should have an appreciation of both C and Perl as part of your journey into computing, whether you choose to continue with them or not
23:08.02Discordianlooks worried
23:08.21Discordianand FORTRAN
23:08.30kjswhy?
23:09.39DiscordianI can code hello.c in K&R white book C
23:12.42kjsI can't
23:12.53kjsbut im sure i could copy it out of a book :)
23:13.33Discordianit's as far as i got with only a slight exaggeration
23:14.12kjsDiscordian: that painfull?
23:15.10DiscordianDepends really, I used to hack  C with inline assembler
23:15.27DiscordianBut I don't like C
23:17.44kjsnever tried C
23:18.20antiphaseWhat's the problem with Perl anyway, or is it just general brain frazzle?
23:18.41z00daxD, its the new C
23:18.47DiscordianIt's fine I just would never write kLOCS in C
23:18.56DiscordianI like perl
23:19.04morsingz00dax: Check it!
23:19.05kjsWell no problem as such, just a steep curv
23:19.26z00daxmorsing: beer!
23:19.30morsingMilk!
23:20.01DiscordianI always thought the language after C should be P
23:20.10Discordianlikes BCPL

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