| 00:13.29 | kjs | has just completed a sbs2003 swing migration o/ |
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| 06:03.21 | morsing | z00dax! |
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| 09:34.36 | citylights | hi morsing |
| 09:35.26 | citylights | well I am at java class |
| 09:35.54 | citylights | well I am at java class |
| 09:36.16 | citylights | I understand I need two programs to run java |
| 09:36.28 | citylights | javac and the java virtual machine |
| 09:36.57 | morsing | citylights! |
| 09:37.11 | citylights | I found jikes and cacao |
| 09:37.20 | morsing | citylights: I've got cawfy |
| 09:37.41 | citylights | I found jikes and cacao |
| 09:39.05 | citylights | morsing? |
| 09:39.17 | citylights | does anyone use java? |
| 09:46.41 | morsing | No |
| 10:02.29 | antiphase | Java is horrid |
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| 10:23.18 | morsing | Leeds! |
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| 11:12.23 | morsing | citylights! |
| 11:36.24 | wethrin | I've used Java in the past. When made to as part of a Uni course. Never used it since. I prefer C |
| 11:43.10 | morsing | wethrin: You're a crap programmer |
| 11:43.35 | wethrin | I'm sorry. But you don't know my programming |
| 11:43.51 | morsing | "I prefer C" |
| 11:43.54 | morsing | I do now |
| 11:43.59 | wethrin | Errr |
| 11:44.41 | wethrin | There might be plenty wrong with C. But it a good tool for what I need, when shell scripts aren't enough |
| 11:46.42 | wethrin | I might be a crap programmer. And I can admit to that myself. Which is why I generally *don't* do any coding. |
| 11:47.11 | wethrin | However, language choice makes no difference to whether one is a good programmer or a crap programmer |
| 11:47.41 | wethrin | In fact, the language itself is entirely irrelevant to whether one is a good programmer or not |
| 11:47.59 | wethrin | the language is merely an implementation tool |
| 11:48.05 | morsing | Ermm... Yes, if you *prefer* C, you're a crap programmer. Same as people who *prefer* BASIC |
| 11:49.24 | antiphase | removes all the OSes written in C |
| 11:49.29 | antiphase | Oh, there aren't any left |
| 11:49.44 | antiphase | C is epic win |
| 11:50.43 | morsing | antiphase: And you as well have misunderstood my statement. But then again, you're pretty dumb as you've proven many times |
| 11:53.15 | antiphase | Your statement was "wethrin: You're a crap programmer" |
| 11:53.24 | antiphase | which lacked objectivity and showed clear bias |
| 11:55.08 | wethrin | morsing: Complete and utter bollocks. *Preferring* a programming language does not make anyone a crap programmer |
| 11:56.25 | antiphase | Crap programmers just have a poor understanding of algorithm and program design |
| 11:56.36 | wethrin | Yep |
| 11:57.39 | wethrin | And *that* is why I regard myself as a crap programmer. I could get the job done, but it wouldn't be particularly elegant or fast. |
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| 12:06.06 | morsing | sabinef72! |
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| 14:14.54 | zaarg | all my CS friends love Haskell these days |
| 14:15.10 | kraptv | I did my senior projects in Haskell. |
| 14:15.25 | kraptv | It's cute and side effect free but strange and "chain-ey" |
| 14:19.36 | zaarg | well, i'm no programmer, but it looks nice and clean |
| 14:19.43 | zaarg | seems to be more abstract or something |
| 14:19.52 | zaarg | closer to maths |
| 14:21.15 | zaarg | use the right tool for the job really |
| 14:25.05 | morsing | zaarg: That's the cleverest thing anyone has said in here today... |
| 14:30.17 | zaarg | yup |
| 14:30.30 | zaarg | what's your problem anyway? seriously |
| 14:31.18 | zaarg | you strike me as someone whom is incredibly insecure |
| 14:33.02 | andy__ | I think he is |
| 14:33.13 | zaarg | yup |
| 14:36.19 | morsing | zaarg: ? Are you talking to me? |
| 14:36.44 | zaarg | morsing: yes |
| 14:37.03 | morsing | How odd... |
| 14:37.11 | morsing | Well, no, I'm not insecure |
| 14:39.58 | antiphase | Except about your hideous visage and tiny manhood |
| 14:44.08 | morsing | Hardly |
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| 14:57.50 | morsing | Armand! |
| 14:58.27 | Armand | w00t! |
| 14:58.33 | Armand | morsing. :) |
| 15:02.23 | Armand | How's things? |
| 15:02.31 | morsing | Crap. You? |
| 15:03.18 | morsing | And I'm getting hungry too |
| 15:03.39 | Armand | I'm fine, tbh.. although jobsearch sucks ass, as always. |
| 15:03.43 | morsing | What's for tea? |
| 15:03.50 | morsing | :( |
| 15:04.11 | Armand | Dunno.. |
| 15:04.12 | morsing | Armand: Where's kjs? |
| 15:04.17 | Armand | ? |
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| 15:15.10 | morsing | citylights! |
| 15:18.00 | morsing | Armand: Are you un-employed? |
| 15:19.36 | Armand | yup. >:( |
| 15:19.41 | morsing | :( |
| 15:20.37 | morsing | Time for my afternoon nap |
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| 15:27.42 | Armand | Discordian! |
| 15:27.48 | Discordian | lo |
| 15:28.30 | Armand | Hi! \o/ |
| 15:36.35 | Armand | I'm so bored.. |
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| 15:46.49 | citylights | does anyone use java? i need some help |
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| 16:22.23 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 16:22.28 | morsing | cpufreak! |
| 16:26.17 | wethrin | citylights: What particular bit of Java do you need help with? |
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| 17:23.38 | morsing | citylights2! |
| 18:30.26 | Armand | RAR! |
| 18:30.42 | Armand | The GF has finished work, I have to go meet her. :) |
| 18:30.58 | morsing | :( |
| 18:31.12 | Armand | or meat her.. either is good. ^_^ |
| 18:31.20 | morsing | :( |
| 18:31.33 | Armand | poor morsing. :( |
| 18:31.37 | morsing | :( |
| 18:31.41 | antiphase | morsing is sad because he has to shake hot white coconuts from the veiny love tree by himself |
| 18:31.46 | Armand | ¬_¬ |
| 18:32.11 | Armand | I would have banned that show before the first episode, given the choice. |
| 18:32.25 | Armand | Oh well, gotta go. |
| 18:32.29 | Armand | laters all.. |
| 18:32.32 | morsing | :( |
| 18:32.33 | Armand | hugs all |
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| 19:11.10 | morsing | citylights! |
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| 19:20.58 | morsing | kjs! |
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| 19:25.33 | morsing | kraptv! |
| 19:26.26 | kraptv | hi Morsing! |
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| 19:28.43 | boudiccas | Discordian! |
| 19:29.49 | Discordian | Re |
| 19:29.57 | Discordian | Hi boudiccas |
| 19:30.06 | boudiccas | hiyas Discordian |
| 19:30.33 | Discordian | is struggling with OpenSolaris |
| 19:31.28 | boudiccas | I'm going over to the dark side, by installing XP onto my laptop |
| 19:31.39 | Discordian | Heh |
| 19:31.56 | Discordian | Can't you dual boot it? |
| 19:32.48 | Discordian | whispers I have vista on mine |
| 19:32.59 | boudiccas | not any more :) i trashed the system by trying to install debian and then getting a grub error 18 showing during bootup, so i couldnt access anyhting |
| 19:33.16 | Discordian | Errk |
| 19:33.35 | Discordian | rescue mode and grub-install perhaps |
| 19:33.59 | Discordian | but if you'e installing xp then do that after as XP will overwrite the MBR |
| 19:34.43 | boudiccas | still wouldnt help because it error code 18 menas that grub isnt reading a proper mbr, its not finding the debain installation |
| 19:35.12 | boudiccas | basically i'd trashed the whole thing, so i'm back at square one with a reinstallation |
| 19:35.18 | Discordian | Yeah but the debian is still there |
| 19:35.35 | boudiccas | not now it isn't, i'm reformatting the complete disk |
| 19:35.38 | Discordian | I've had to boot fedora in rescue mode |
| 19:35.48 | Discordian | and reinstall grub |
| 19:35.51 | Discordian | heh |
| 19:36.11 | boudiccas | i've rebooted centos using rescue mode but that was because of hard drive issues as mentioned in my blog |
| 19:36.21 | Discordian | Oh well I have one word for you : cygwin |
| 19:36.35 | Discordian | It makes xp almost usable |
| 19:37.18 | Discordian | proper bash shell, c compilers etc |
| 19:38.22 | Discordian | oh and xp powertoys virtual desktop |
| 19:39.42 | Discordian | My shiny redhat badge should arrive tomorrow |
| 19:41.15 | boudiccas | i've got a big RH sticker on my linux box, just to remind me of what its running :) |
| 19:41.32 | boudiccas | i was too late to apply for one from the gllug mailing list :( |
| 19:41.58 | Discordian | heh I got in just in time |
| 19:42.22 | Discordian | I'll wear it on my suit |
| 19:42.44 | boudiccas | not /the interview/ suit? high powered stuff that! :) |
| 19:43.06 | Discordian | I only have one suit |
| 19:43.13 | z00dax | boudiccas: if you email me your postal address' I'll post a CentOS Sticker to you |
| 19:43.17 | Discordian | interviews, funerals etc |
| 19:43.30 | kraptv | z00dax gots stickers??? |
| 19:43.33 | z00dax | i have 3 left over from the linuxexpo, 1 i want to put on my laptop and one on my desktop |
| 19:43.42 | z00dax | that means there is 1 left!!! |
| 19:43.52 | z00dax | kraptv: not too many :( |
| 19:44.08 | morsing | z00dax! |
| 19:44.16 | kraptv | heh heh, I won't ask for it!!! |
| 19:44.19 | kraptv | I am not worthy! |
| 19:44.22 | z00dax | what we need to do is find someone in the printing business, who uses CentOS - and then ask them to sponsor a load of stickers |
| 19:44.28 | z00dax | morsing: ! beer ! |
| 19:44.43 | z00dax | looks for an Aeron chair on ebay |
| 19:44.54 | Discordian | or just someone who'll do a bit of sponsoring |
| 19:45.45 | z00dax | right, or that |
| 19:45.57 | z00dax | I know that symantec use CentOS on their front end machines |
| 19:46.33 | Discordian | wonders if stickers would get an official sponsered by thing |
| 19:47.05 | z00dax | would be kinda hard |
| 19:47.11 | Discordian | Yeah |
| 19:47.20 | z00dax | you mean have a 'sponsored by <name>' somewhere on the sticker's themselves ? |
| 19:47.35 | Discordian | I'll try and guilt trip my ex work into it |
| 19:47.41 | Discordian | they use centos |
| 19:48.09 | Discordian | Because that's what I chose |
| 20:00.02 | kjs | morsing! |
| 20:03.40 | kinko | FN'z00dax any look on that chair, looking for one under 300 |
| 20:03.46 | kinko | *luck |
| 20:04.01 | kjs | a desk chair ? |
| 20:04.10 | kinko | we could do time share :P |
| 20:06.57 | z00dax | hehe |
| 20:07.15 | z00dax | there is someone selling a few in NW11 for £249 - size B, pickup |
| 20:07.29 | z00dax | also someone in Orpington has a chair on auction, I might play that one.. since its close to me |
| 20:07.40 | kinko | yeah FN'kjs there pretty sweet, good job they dont have head read, would be asleep way too much |
| 20:08.08 | z00dax | whats a FN' ? |
| 20:09.22 | kinko | just Freenode |
| 20:09.28 | kinko | its my autocomplete |
| 20:09.43 | z00dax | 20:10 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from kinko: mIRC v6.34 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 20:09.45 | z00dax | humm |
| 20:10.14 | kinko | most rewrite that :P |
| 20:11.38 | kinko | gone down from managing 60-70 centos machines to ~20 :( excluding vm's |
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| 20:12.43 | morsing | citylights! |
| 20:29.40 | kjs | what sort of chairs are you guys on aboue? |
| 20:29.42 | kjs | about* |
| 20:40.58 | z00dax | kjs: aeron |
| 20:44.46 | kjs | are they some sort of elite chair? |
| 20:44.59 | morsing | z00dax: Where's konadr? |
| 20:46.07 | z00dax | morsing: not sure, saw her earlier today heading west |
| 20:46.46 | morsing | "her"? |
| 20:46.49 | z00dax | kjs: its a good chair, if you plan on spending > 5 hrs/day in a chair, in front of the computer |
| 20:47.04 | z00dax | morsing: long blond hair ? |
| 20:47.11 | z00dax | or are we talking about different people |
| 20:47.26 | Discordian | konrad may be a surname |
| 20:47.48 | morsing | I'm talking about themilitia guy |
| 20:47.51 | morsing | I'm talking about the militia guy |
| 20:48.25 | z00dax | morsing: right, different people |
| 20:48.53 | z00dax | google image results for 'konadr' are interesting. |
| 20:48.57 | morsing | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4724656.stm |
| 20:49.21 | morsing | ~seen konadr |
| 20:49.24 | ibot | konadr <n=Rodyon@unaffiliated/konadr> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 1d 7h 41m 24s ago, saying: 'at the local butchers at home they make blocks of it, its so nice to slice down a thick slice and grill it'. |
| 20:49.33 | kjs | z00dax: 5+ that would be every day :) |
| 20:51.12 | morsing | http://img3.glowfoto.com/images/2007/09/09-1621208350L.jpg |
| 20:53.12 | morsing | z00dax: What's for tea? |
| 20:54.21 | z00dax | keema, rice and a potato side; is mostly cooking at the moment morsing |
| 20:54.48 | morsing | :-/ |
| 20:54.57 | morsing | Meat? Or is keema meat? |
| 20:55.28 | z00dax | its lamb mince |
| 20:55.34 | morsing | Oh, cool |
| 20:55.39 | morsing | Sag paneer? |
| 20:56.00 | z00dax | so, sort of semi roasted first, then cooked into a thick curry and left on for 45 - 50 min, so the curry almost dries up and you get a thick mince |
| 20:56.22 | morsing | nice :) |
| 20:56.30 | hali | z00dax: do you know of any good datacenters up north? birmingham/manchester or something like that? |
| 20:58.36 | z00dax | define: good |
| 20:58.43 | z00dax | in that level3 have a facility up north |
| 20:58.54 | z00dax | also that one hosted around the Univ. of Manchester.. whatsitcalled |
| 20:58.57 | z00dax | CFL or something |
| 20:59.01 | z00dax | looks |
| 20:59.08 | hali | good as in decent enough for DR |
| 20:59.23 | hali | and good as in good/cost effective lines down to London |
| 20:59.45 | Discordian | i dislike L3 |
| 21:00.00 | hali | found one called teledata that looks ok'ish |
| 21:00.26 | hali | l3 is ok but these days they don't deal directly with you unless you get a 20+ racks or at least large cage |
| 21:00.44 | Discordian | heh |
| 21:00.56 | Discordian | we used a third party |
| 21:01.20 | Discordian | who must have had the clumsiest engineers in the biz |
| 21:03.35 | hali | we have space at l3 goswell road, but through BSG |
| 21:04.11 | Discordian | Aye we had hosting at Goswell road |
| 21:04.41 | z00dax | hali: IFL |
| 21:04.50 | hali | that's actually the space we are ditching now, moving all those systesm down to interxion on brick lane... need a new DR site now |
| 21:05.00 | hali | z00dax: cheers, i'll check them out |
| 21:06.47 | z00dax | hali: cool, also - ifl2 is on c4l links, so you can get a point-point link from the London rack to ifl rack, provided c4l is present in the local facility |
| 21:10.14 | hali | can't remember if interxion is in c4l, doubt it |
| 21:10.24 | kraptv | bloodbats! |
| 21:10.35 | hali | they are |
| 21:10.40 | Discordian | remembers visiting tyco towers |
| 21:10.43 | hali | looks at the network pdf |
| 21:10.59 | z00dax | Discordian: its VSNL now :D |
| 21:11.11 | Discordian | heh |
| 21:11.42 | z00dax | I had a major shock the other day ( well about a year and a bit back ) - when I went there and saw VSNL, and i was like.. hmmm.. the small time ISP back in India who sold me my first ever internet account... surely it must be some other VSNL. |
| 21:11.44 | Discordian | I wasn't impressed in the end we hosted with webpastry in MER |
| 21:11.48 | z00dax | but no, it really is the same VSNL |
| 21:12.15 | z00dax | webtapesty you mean ? I thought they were up north somewhere too |
| 21:12.26 | Discordian | yes |
| 21:12.39 | Discordian | Mr harris and associates |
| 21:12.43 | z00dax | I think the vsnl/coreix setup is perhaps the best networked DC in the UK at the moment |
| 21:12.54 | Discordian | I'll believe that |
| 21:12.56 | z00dax | I can sustain 600MBit/sec from there to NTT/Verio |
| 21:13.03 | hali | better than telehouse north?! |
| 21:13.09 | z00dax | hali: yup |
| 21:13.14 | Discordian | They had an impressive backbone |
| 21:13.50 | Discordian | My boss vetoed it cos it was Stratford |
| 21:14.04 | z00dax | what ? he didnt like that the DC was hosted on top of a chip shop ? |
| 21:14.17 | hali | we had the same thing actually :) |
| 21:14.27 | Discordian | It wass Wilkinsons I thought |
| 21:14.33 | Discordian | s/ss/s |
| 21:14.44 | hali | with some DC up north, our old CSO vetoed it becase it had a chip shop in the same building |
| 21:14.54 | z00dax | oh yea, Wilkinsons on one side. The 'bulk in' door is next to the wilkinson's delivery door :D |
| 21:15.03 | Discordian | Yeah |
| 21:15.36 | z00dax | and they have native ipv6 in there, but I guess most dc's do now |
| 21:15.51 | Discordian | I don't actually think they've ever been to MER since I put the servers in |
| 21:16.08 | Discordian | I set them up so it could be done remotely |
| 21:17.10 | morsing | Beer |
| 21:17.46 | z00dax | speaking of DC's - the last time I was in one, couple of lanes down - there were 3 racks full of ps3's and 2 racks full of xbox 360's |
| 21:18.02 | z00dax | someone is running a lease-time-on-dedicated-console-at-100bps-speeds operation |
| 21:18.25 | Discordian | I'd put linux on a ps3 |
| 21:18.41 | z00dax | this guy is running games |
| 21:18.59 | z00dax | that people can rent by-the-day, to play on or to run clan servers etc. |
| 21:19.10 | z00dax | the 'call of duty 4' label on the first two shelves gave it away :D |
| 21:19.11 | Discordian | ahh |
| 21:19.39 | hali | can't you run those servers on x86? |
| 21:19.52 | hali | i thought most games had stand-alone server apps... oh well |
| 21:19.52 | z00dax | hali: yes, some |
| 21:20.09 | z00dax | many have console-type-locks, and dont release a x86 linux server for their console games |
| 21:20.35 | hali | there are a bunch of "google"-esk racks in easynet .... just stacks of components on cardbord sheets |
| 21:20.41 | z00dax | cod4 i think has a server though, and you can define what sort of clients are going to connect to it, ps3/xbox/pc |
| 21:20.59 | z00dax | hali: smells of 'dedicated hosting' clients |
| 21:21.05 | Discordian | google are in MER amongst other places |
| 21:21.12 | z00dax | aha. dedibox.fr |
| 21:22.27 | Discordian | Oh gosh #fedora is having fun |
| 21:23.31 | z00dax | s/aha/aka/ |
| 21:51.34 | hali | yawn |
| 22:09.48 | morsing | Beer |
| 22:25.42 | morsing | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SdOO0mE37uI |
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