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| 02:24.36 | gw280 | moo |
| 02:24.41 | gw280 | I blame wethrin |
| 02:25.21 | gw280 | wethrin: so do you know what happened to mozrat? I haven't heard from him in years |
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| 09:27.43 | j0nr | morning |
| 09:46.05 | hali | morning |
| 09:53.58 | Armand | morning. :) |
| 09:55.03 | Leeds | evening! |
| 10:01.27 | Armand | O_o |
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| 12:59.42 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Not here yet :-( |
| 14:10.33 | wethrin | oh well |
| 14:13.53 | gw280 | death to wethrin |
| 14:15.45 | wethrin | Go away |
| 14:15.47 | wethrin | runs off to teach |
| 14:27.13 | dick_turpin | trips wethrin up |
| 14:48.38 | kjs | afternoon |
| 14:51.47 | popey | dick_turpin: I'm with you |
| 14:51.51 | popey | dick_turpin: I _hate_ forums |
| 14:52.59 | dick_turpin | popey: ssh don't let people see you agreeing with me your cool factor will drop lower than whale pooh ;-) |
| 14:53.19 | popey | i replied to your mail saying as such then figured it was too risky, someone might see |
| 14:53.22 | popey | hence mentioning it here |
| 14:53.33 | dick_turpin | popey: rotflmao |
| 14:54.35 | dick_turpin | popey: I hate bullies and I also hate people who use others as a sort of "Get out of jail free" option |
| 14:54.56 | dick_turpin | popey: I'd of had more respect if he had just said sorry directly |
| 14:55.47 | popey | yeah |
| 14:55.56 | popey | totally unnecessary to go of on one like that |
| 14:57.22 | dick_turpin | popey: I was ignoring the thread TBH it was when I saw your name I looked at it and thought WTF so in fact its all your fault ;-) |
| 14:57.38 | popey | :) |
| 14:58.03 | popey | anyone who thinks forums are better than mailing lists clearly has a shit mail client |
| 14:59.11 | dick_turpin | popey: I bet you cant remember who educated me with regards Mail, clients, threading and top posting? |
| 14:59.18 | popey | :) |
| 14:59.33 | dick_turpin | popey: No not you you numptey |
| 14:59.34 | popey | bet my gmail archive will tell me |
| 14:59.52 | dick_turpin | popey: Sparkes |
| 15:00.31 | dick_turpin | Now there was a man who could rip into you, I miss him |
| 15:00.33 | popey | http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/wolves/2004-May/007782.html :) |
| 15:01.29 | dick_turpin | Yay immortallity (Spelt wrong but I don't care) |
| 15:01.53 | dick_turpin | nuzzles in warmth of popey's archives |
| 15:02.10 | popey | i have a habbit of wgetting the entire mbox for a mailing list i join |
| 15:02.28 | popey | TRY THAT WITH FORUMS SUCKA! |
| 15:02.33 | popey | ahem |
| 15:02.55 | dick_turpin | 2004 them was the days |
| 15:05.33 | popey | pre-ubuntu :) |
| 15:07.57 | dick_turpin | I miss Sparkes, I've tried mailing an old address I have but its dead so is his sites. Very sad |
| 15:09.12 | dick_turpin | He used to kick my arse almost every day, looking back I deservid it but I did and do respect him |
| 15:09.23 | dick_turpin | deserved |
| 15:28.03 | Armand | laters all |
| 16:00.42 | ChoHag | Another name for a Windows tutorial is "crash course". |
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| 16:56.57 | ChoHag | The printer has decided that using the duplexer is beneath it. |
| 16:57.37 | ChoHag | Although actually I'm more inclined to blame cups. |
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| 18:33.59 | gw280 | CATALYST |
| 18:34.08 | catalyst | HONEYBUN |
| 18:34.13 | gw280 | shoots catalyst |
| 18:34.14 | gw280 | WOOPS. |
| 18:34.28 | gw280 | wethrin: go away? how RUDE |
| 18:34.35 | catalyst | I'M GLAD YOU ONLY OWN A NERF GUN |
| 18:34.45 | gw280 | catalyst: actually, i just bought a second rifle |
| 18:34.46 | gw280 | two weeks ago |
| 18:34.57 | gw280 | and it went all the way to southampton for a match |
| 18:35.48 | catalyst | you can probably buy matches down the newsagents, you realise? although I think modern rifles probably use a more reliable/efficient/faster firing mechanism now |
| 18:36.08 | gw280 | http://vm.gwright.org.uk/rifle4.jpg |
| 18:36.09 | gw280 | isn't it CUTE |
| 18:41.45 | gw280 | catalyst: I hate you. |
| 18:41.53 | catalyst | I can't think why |
| 18:42.19 | gw280 | :D |
| 18:42.28 | gw280 | maybe it's because you called me HONEYBUN |
| 18:42.30 | gw280 | shoots catalyst |
| 18:43.45 | catalyst | oh? |
| 18:45.23 | gw280 | oh? |
| 18:45.51 | catalyst | OH |
| 18:47.01 | gw280 | yes, I'm an OH |
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| 23:38.11 | mindbendr | hi |
| 23:38.56 | mindbendr | is there anyone who loves freebsd |
| 23:40.07 | wethrin | YARRRR! |
| 23:40.53 | mindbendr | wethrin, so you love it? |
| 23:40.56 | Nafallo | freebeer? |
| 23:41.10 | wethrin | Well. I don't particularly love any software |
| 23:41.13 | wethrin | I quite like FreeBSD |
| 23:41.16 | wethrin | I prefer Open, though |
| 23:42.01 | mindbendr | wethrin, ok so here is my question |
| 23:42.31 | antiphase | "How do I tell my parents?" |
| 23:42.32 | mindbendr | wethrin, it doesn't identify any nic interfaces if there are 6 or more |
| 23:42.40 | mindbendr | ports |
| 23:42.53 | mindbendr | on freebsd 6.x but it seems ok with freebsd 7.x |
| 23:43.06 | mindbendr | actually these are pfsense firewalls |
| 23:43.16 | mindbendr | so i'm trying to figure out because i can't use freebsd 7.x |
| 23:43.19 | antiphase | I think you probably want to buy a "router" |
| 23:43.38 | mindbendr | antiphase, yeah |
| 23:43.58 | mindbendr | antiphase, the funny thing is my company already bought 2 of these and realised that's not what we want |
| 23:44.08 | wethrin | Ah. I really don't know with 6 interfaces |
| 23:44.08 | mindbendr | so i'm trying to find a way to use them as a router/fw |
| 23:44.11 | wethrin | I think 4 is the most I've had |
| 23:44.36 | wethrin | Why can't you use FreeBSD 7.x? |
| 23:44.54 | antiphase | If you have problems with real interfaces, there's always 802.1q |
| 23:45.16 | mindbendr | wethrin, the pfsense software on based freebsd7.x is alpha-alpha stage |
| 23:45.35 | mindbendr | wethrin, funny thought the provider sold us that firewall with a alpha-alpha release |
| 23:45.36 | wethrin | would suggest OpenBSD+pf |
| 23:45.37 | mindbendr | *-t |
| 23:45.48 | wethrin | Well, then it's up to the provider to support it |
| 23:45.58 | mindbendr | wethrin, openbsd+pf is ok but they want a nice shinny web interface to manage it |
| 23:46.10 | wethrin | Don't. |
| 23:46.11 | mindbendr | antiphase, what is that? |
| 23:46.15 | wethrin | It's a firewall |
| 23:46.25 | wethrin | If you let morons use it, you'll get a moronic firewall |
| 23:46.33 | mindbendr | wethrin, that's why i am trying to stick with 6.x with a stable release |
| 23:47.34 | antiphase | 802.1q is a standard describing tagging of packets on a LAN to provide Virtual LANs |
| 23:47.34 | wethrin | Might be worth asking on a FreeBSD mailing list |
| 23:47.34 | antiphase | trunks, if you like |
| 23:47.34 | wethrin | You'll need a switch that support VLANs, though, no? |
| 23:47.34 | antiphase | Fo shizzle |
| 23:47.35 | mindbendr | i was showing a video to my colleages today, about SQL injection and in the end the other sysadmin came up saying `it's good we don't have ms sql servers` and I said `we have mysql? what does it have to do with sql injection` |
| 23:47.42 | mindbendr | so you can guess the rest |
| 23:47.59 | antiphase | wonders why you need a video |
| 23:48.14 | antiphase | It's not like children getting locked in old freezers or falling through thin ice |
| 23:48.20 | mindbendr | antiphase, it's a microsoft security guy explaning how to hack a network |
| 23:48.32 | wethrin | Ah, a video presentation? |
| 23:48.35 | mindbendr | yep |
| 23:48.40 | mindbendr | it's a good one if you guys wanna watch |
| 23:48.46 | mindbendr | it's funny at least |
| 23:48.51 | wethrin | That saying. SQL injections have nothing to do with the database itself |
| 23:48.56 | mindbendr | it starts with sql injection which is not a big thing |
| 23:48.56 | wethrin | It's to do with shoddy frontend coding |
| 23:49.01 | mindbendr | but it goes throught nice things later on |
| 23:49.05 | mindbendr | -t |
| 23:49.28 | mindbendr | wethrin, we don't wanna use vlans |
| 23:49.33 | mindbendr | wethrin, on firewall |
| 23:49.45 | wethrin | And you really have 6 networks? |
| 23:49.48 | mindbendr | no |
| 23:49.52 | antiphase | And then children get hooked on cigarettes and fly through a windscreen, and you shoudl have used Access |
| 23:49.53 | wethrin | (well, I assume 5 + internet) |
| 23:50.12 | wethrin | So could you not take out some of the network cards? |
| 23:50.15 | mindbendr | we don't need 6 networks but these stupid guys pushed the provider for 6 |
| 23:50.33 | wethrin | Ah. So management made a cock-up, and it's up to you to support it |
| 23:50.37 | mindbendr | wethrin, i will take out some but even so it will share irqs and we at least need 4 so i don't know how is it gonna cope with that |
| 23:50.49 | antiphase | Work out your problem first |
| 23:50.57 | wethrin | 4 isn't a problem |
| 23:50.58 | antiphase | It sounds like you don't have one |
| 23:51.09 | wethrin | shouldn't be a problem, anyway |
| 23:51.16 | wethrin | Certainly works fine with OpenBSD :) |
| 23:51.18 | mindbendr | antiphase, well it's not a bsd in the end, it's a chopped off firewall version so |
| 23:52.03 | mindbendr | i will see on monday how is it gonna be with 5 or 4 interfaces but |
| 23:52.15 | antiphase | Who cares what it is. If you can get by with ewhat it can do, there is no problem |
| 23:52.15 | wethrin | Aha |
| 23:52.18 | mindbendr | only 2 interfaces are on board and i think the add-ons are causing the problem |
| 23:52.25 | wethrin | Looks like pfsense has basically ported pf into FreeBSD |
| 23:52.40 | wethrin | fails to see why they did that, rather than using Open |
| 23:52.54 | mindbendr | well it's a fork from monowall project |
| 23:53.04 | mindbendr | that must be the reason |
| 23:53.10 | wethrin | You may need to do some IRQ twiddling in the BIOS |
| 23:53.25 | wethrin | If cards are going to share IRQs, you might find the performance is slower than shitting tar |
| 23:53.39 | mindbendr | i don't get it how does irq sharing cause an issue nowadays |
| 23:54.07 | mindbendr | doesn't it work fine on linux |
| 23:54.20 | wethrin | It's a hardware thing |
| 23:54.22 | mindbendr | on the other hand, it works fine with freebsd 7 |
| 23:54.22 | antiphase | BSD is made by child molesters |
| 23:54.50 | wethrin | If an IRQ is being serviced, anything else using that interrupt is going to be blocked |
| 23:55.23 | wethrin | You're fine if you're doing things slowly, as the computer's fast enough to deal with the interrupt, then service the next one |
| 23:55.38 | wethrin | But if you're trying to saturate the network connection.... |
| 23:56.14 | mindbendr | well if it's gonna be a firewall |
| 23:56.26 | antiphase | Buy a firewall |
| 23:56.28 | mindbendr | i would worry about irq sharing if it's not gonna cope well |
| 23:56.43 | mindbendr | antiphase, we think about it but i have no idea about firewalls, what do you recommend |
| 23:56.43 | antiphase | What have you actually got it plugged into? |
| 23:56.59 | mindbendr | antiphase, plugged into where? |
| 23:57.16 | antiphase | Have you got an OC-12, or aere you on ADSL-MAX? |
| 23:58.00 | wethrin | sees no problem with a dedicated computer running some form of Linux or BSD as a firewall |
| 23:58.02 | antiphase | Besides that, what are your real requirements in terms of traffic types? |
| 23:58.22 | wethrin | It's not like something you buy in from Juniper Networks or wherever is going to be all that much different |
| 23:59.19 | mindbendr | we have got a 100 mbit line to be connected to this box and another 100mbit already |
| 23:59.22 | antiphase | You can make something equivalent with $OS + $software up to a point, provided you can work both adequately :) |
| 23:59.43 | mindbendr | wethrin, what do you mean about juniper? |
| 23:59.44 | wethrin | antiphase: The latter is true of high end kit too :) |
| 23:59.54 | mindbendr | they were considering a few juniper and watchguard etc |
