| 00:00.13 | antiphase | So, you bought 2x100Mbps, but they just went "Here's the ends of the fibres, have a nice day"? |
| 00:00.31 | antiphase | That's $large amount of money already |
| 00:00.42 | wethrin | mindbendr: They're generally pricy. Like Cisco kit. And I would make damn sure I *need* to spend the money on that sort of kit before I do so |
| 00:00.54 | mindbendr | we have got a 10 mbit line and it's gonna be upgraded to 100 and we have a firewall in the datacenter (old version of pfsense) but with the new line, there are multi-wan and routing requirements |
| 00:01.06 | wethrin | So had I some 100-odd Mbit fibre lines, I'd probably get a Cisco box |
| 00:01.06 | mindbendr | and they already bought this other pfsense box so trying to make a use of it |
| 00:01.13 | antiphase | Yes |
| 00:01.17 | wethrin | With a DSL line, I'm fine with a PC |
| 00:01.25 | wethrin | (well, Sparc box, but that's beside the point) |
| 00:01.44 | wethrin | Ah. Multihomed thingies and whatsits |
| 00:01.52 | antiphase | Chuck the crap in the bin, and spend 1/20 of your annual connectivity spend on some decent hardware |
| 00:01.52 | wethrin | I'd probably hunt down some Cisco kit for that |
| 00:02.08 | wethrin | but that's just me. And I don't really know much about large network installations |
| 00:02.13 | antiphase | pulls figures out of his arse |
| 00:02.31 | wethrin | antiphase: Feel free to correct me if I'm spouting complete shite :) |
| 00:02.44 | mindbendr | wethrin, the reason i wanna go with this, i can deal with a bsd box but i have no idea about the routers so they have a tendency to use a pc, otherwise they have to pay loads of cash to cisco hardware and for the support as well |
| 00:02.47 | antiphase | I think we're singing from the same hymn sheet :) |
| 00:02.56 | wethrin | excellent |
| 00:04.17 | antiphase | tbh I'd find out how much you're paying for the connections, and why you have 2 of them first |
| 00:04.19 | wethrin | mindbendr: Seriously - I'd get the company to fork out the cash |
| 00:04.33 | wethrin | Two 100Mbit lines ain't gonna be cheap |
| 00:04.52 | antiphase | If the suits want some sort of availability or something, it's going to involve more than a PC and some NICs :) |
| 00:04.54 | wethrin | So you could probably get the Cisco kit for the price of about 2 months service |
| 00:05.33 | mindbendr | wethrin, yeah that's right but it doesn't change the fact that they want a GUI for management because they are idiots |
| 00:06.03 | antiphase | Who wants a GUI? I semse a lack of appropriate BOfH behaviour |
| 00:06.07 | wethrin | mindbendr: Then they should not be allowed to touch the machines. That's what they pay a network admin for |
| 00:06.32 | wethrin | Running a datacentre environment is quite different to having a couple of Windows servers behind a filing cabinet |
| 00:06.34 | mindbendr | wethrin, well one of them is the IT manager and the other is the sysadmin that only knows how to do `yum update` even so he manages to crash servers |
| 00:06.48 | mindbendr | i need to find another job. |
| 00:06.49 | wethrin | You need a pay rise, then :) |
| 00:06.52 | antiphase | http://www.jobserve.co.uk/ |
| 00:07.11 | mindbendr | i would do but i work part-time here |
| 00:07.18 | mindbendr | it's not possible to find a part-time job :) |
| 00:07.33 | mindbendr | at least they made me permanent, i was a contractor here in the summer |
| 00:07.36 | antiphase | Don't knock it. 200Mbps is a lot of warez before anyone notices |
| 00:07.50 | wethrin | antiphase: A BOFH would give the management enough rope to hang themselves with |
| 00:07.58 | mindbendr | antiphase, we have got redhat 9, several fedora 3 and 6 if you wanna own and use for warez |
| 00:07.59 | wethrin | And possibly be helpful by tying the knot |
| 00:08.07 | wethrin | Um. |
| 00:08.09 | wethrin | Redhat 9? |
| 00:08.15 | antiphase | Old skool |
| 00:08.15 | wethrin | Properly firewalled? |
| 00:08.17 | mindbendr | and we have got 42 servers so you'd get loads of cpu power if you need |
| 00:08.27 | wethrin | Yeah. I remember RH9. Back about 7 years ago |
| 00:08.51 | mindbendr | wethrin, no the whole network is a joke, the same root password for every server and ssh authorized keys on all of them |
| 00:08.53 | wethrin | And I thought I was being naughty by still running OBSD 3.9 |
| 00:09.05 | wethrin | passphrase-less keys? |
| 00:09.11 | mindbendr | yep |
| 00:09.14 | wethrin | And this is in a datacentre? |
| 00:09.37 | mindbendr | half of them in 2 different data centers the others are in the building |
| 00:12.37 | mindbendr | https://dl.getdropbox.com/u/379895/How%20to%20Get%20Your%20Network%20Hacked%20in%2010%20Easy%20Steps.wmv |
| 00:12.42 | mindbendr | watch it, have some fun |
| 00:13.31 | wethrin | Nah, now's probably a good time to head sleepwards |
| 00:13.33 | wethrin | night, all |
| 00:20.43 | mindbendr | wethrin goodnight |
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| 08:00.03 | Mohan | Good Morning! |
| 08:00.38 | Mohan | knocks on the door and shouts wake up! |
| 08:20.50 | morsing | *yawn* |
| 08:21.37 | Mohan | morsing: cofee ? |
| 08:21.45 | morsing | Yes please |
| 08:29.14 | morsing | sips his cawfy |
| 08:35.45 | morsing | kisses Mohan goodmorning |
| 08:38.07 | ChoHag | Hmm. |
| 08:38.37 | ChoHag | Apparently "Users shouldn't try to set ports outside of range 1025~65535" mean "Iam not going to let you put a web server on port 80". |
| 08:40.57 | Mohan | ChoHag: the default firewall blocks all incoming connections except a few services which has been selected during installation aint it ? |
| 08:41.29 | ChoHag | Which default firewall? |
| 08:42.28 | Mohan | in any firewall all incoming connections are blocked right, but am talking abt linux firewalls. |
| 08:43.22 | ChoHag | Not if you don't want them to be. |
| 08:43.26 | Mohan | so how can a normal user run a webserver on a high port ? |
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| 08:44.27 | Mohan | well if someone is concerned about security, they would block it definitely |
| 08:45.15 | Mohan | so the normal user wouldnt be able to run it anyway. |
| 08:45.30 | ChoHag | That's nothing to do with any firewall. |
| 08:45.44 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 08:45.46 | ChoHag | Linux just won't let a user with an id > 0 bind to a port <= 1024 |
| 08:45.58 | Mohan | yup |
| 08:47.45 | ChoHag | Oh ffs! Does linksys really need to reboot EVERY time I save settings? |
| 08:48.04 | ChoHag | I wasn't aware they ran on DOS. |
| 08:48.34 | Mohan | ChoHag: i thought you are trying to block access for someone running a server on port no higher than 1024 |
| 08:48.47 | ChoHag | No. The router is doing that to me. |
| 08:48.57 | ChoHag | Because linksys are fuckwits. |
| 08:49.18 | ChoHag | Which is not surprising when you consider that linksys are cisco. |
| 08:49.45 | Mohan | yeah that what i was wondering what is he talking abt linksys is cisco. |
| 08:50.09 | Mohan | so it should be fine. |
| 08:50.14 | ChoHag | No. |
| 08:50.15 | morsing | Mohan: Why sabinef72 not speaking to us? |
| 08:50.23 | ChoHag | Linksys are cisco so it should be retarded. |
| 08:50.25 | ChoHag | And it is. |
| 08:51.03 | Mohan | morsing: offer him a cofee with some cookies, he will definitely |
| 08:51.52 | morsing | Mohan: *him* ?!!?!??!?! FFS how long have you been on this channel??! And what do you get from the name "Sabine"? |
| 08:52.32 | morsing | Any APT experts here? |
| 08:53.17 | Mohan | morsing: it looks like sabinef72 is not in right mood. |
| 08:53.21 | morsing | :( |
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| 09:04.10 | morsing | jpds! |
| 09:07.17 | morsing | Mohan: Why's jpds not speaking to us? |
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| 09:08.16 | ChoHag | What's an exper? |
| 09:08.18 | ChoHag | expert |
| 09:09.34 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 09:10.44 | morsing | ChoHag: What should I get done today? |
| 09:32.17 | ChoHag | Make a pie. |
| 09:52.28 | morsing | kittylyst! |
| 10:43.34 | ChoHag | Is it just me, or is http.us.debian.org running IIS? |
| 10:46.07 | morsing | It is... |
| 10:46.07 | morsing | http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://http.us.debian.org |
| 10:48.28 | kittylyst | amusing :) |
| 11:10.04 | jpds | morsing: Sorry, went out. |
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| 13:53.00 | morsing | Beer |
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| 14:07.18 | morsing | boudiccas! |
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| 14:10.51 | morsing | catalyst! |
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| 18:28.03 | morsing | konadr! |
| 18:28.39 | konadr | morsing!!!!!! |
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| 18:40.19 | morsing | rhowe! |
| 19:07.31 | morsing | Why has my Sky box suddenly started coming up with a "I'm about to go into standby" message? |
| 19:13.57 | konadr | horray! |
| 19:13.59 | antiphase | Probably 0wned |
| 19:14.12 | konadr | could be worse, could just flash the red led and never switch on like mine |
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| 20:25.08 | morsing | What's an IVA number? |
| 20:25.51 | konadr | hmm |
| 20:26.19 | Discordian | when you enter into an iva |
| 20:26.48 | morsing | Nive - so it's the 16 digit number on the front of my credit card? |
| 20:26.52 | morsing | Nice |
| 20:56.58 | morsing | kpathsea: Running mktexmf ecrm1200 |
| 20:56.58 | morsing | ! I can't find file `ecrm1200'. |
| 20:56.58 | morsing | <*> ...fivemp; mag:=1; nonstopmode; input ecrm1200 |
| 20:57.00 | morsing | ??? |
| 21:02.39 | kjs | evening |
| 21:04.54 | discordianuk | what is morsing-bot on? |
| 21:05.07 | morsing | kjs: What does that mean? |
| 21:06.14 | discordianuk | that it can't find a file called 'ecrm1200' |
| 21:06.33 | morsing | discordianuk: Idiot |
| 21:06.34 | discordianuk | self evidently |
| 21:07.22 | discordianuk | go and google it |
| 21:07.28 | kjs | good evening |
| 21:07.34 | morsing | discordianuk: Idiot |
| 21:08.31 | discordianuk | surely sorry i'll go google it for you |
| 21:08.40 | morsing | discordianuk: Idiot |
| 21:15.53 | morsing | Hmm... My dad new - Changing fontenc from T1 to OT1 fixed it |
| 21:15.59 | morsing | s/new/knew/ |
| 21:20.03 | ChoHag | What does it mean when your dad knows fixes your computer problems? |
| 21:23.15 | morsing | ChoHag: That he's quite good with computers? Or maybe you're trying to make some sort of joke I don't understand... |
| 21:23.26 | morsing | angelchild! |
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| 21:28.16 | morsing | konadr! |
| 21:28.27 | konadr | morsing!! |
| 21:28.35 | konadr | is unsure why he was disconnected |
| 21:28.53 | morsing | konadr: Sorry, tripped on the wire getting cawfy :( |
| 21:29.02 | konadr | ;( |
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| 22:05.06 | morsing | nixofortune! |
| 22:05.13 | nixofortune | morsing: ! |
| 22:05.33 | morsing | nixofortune: What should I put in Sarah & Jack's X-mas card? |
| 22:06.30 | nixofortune | as usually. the best wishes |
| 22:06.39 | discordianuk | beer! |
| 22:06.49 | morsing | Nice |
| 22:06.57 | wethrin | I have beer! |
| 22:07.05 | discordianuk | as do i |
| 22:07.11 | wethrin | Yay! |
| 22:07.11 | nixofortune | i have nice vine |
| 22:07.19 | wethrin | Mine's an Adnams Innovation |
| 22:07.40 | discordianuk | mine's k1664, lager |
| 22:07.55 | wethrin | I win. |
| 22:08.27 | nixofortune | mine is Tokaji 1983 :)) |
| 22:09.09 | discordianuk | nah you'd have to have hoegaarden to win |
| 22:41.26 | gw280 | attacks wethrin |
| 22:41.29 | gw280 | woops. |
| 22:43.06 | wethrin | throws beer at gw280 |
| 22:43.24 | gw280 | throws a bar at wethrin |
| 22:43.32 | gw280 | I was in bisley today |
| 22:43.36 | gw280 | it was moo-tastic |
| 22:43.38 | wethrin | Did you win? |
| 22:43.46 | gw280 | no match |
| 22:43.48 | wethrin | oh |
| 22:43.50 | gw280 | we were testing batches of ammo for the NRA |
| 22:43.51 | wethrin | Just practice? |
| 22:44.06 | gw280 | me and a bunch of other shooters, mainly GB level |
| 22:44.17 | gw280 | apparently they were a bit stunned when they saw my group sizes |
| 22:44.23 | gw280 | then asked who I was |
| 22:44.25 | gw280 | haha |
| 22:44.29 | wethrin | heh |
| 22:44.31 | wethrin | You're not famous enough |
| 22:44.32 | gw280 | then replied "well, he's got a future in shooting" |
| 22:47.03 | discordianuk | i thought nra was american |
| 22:51.11 | morsing | NHRA is American, FIA is European |
| 23:01.10 | morsing | G'night |
| 23:53.08 | discordianuk | i assumed nra=national rifles association |
| 23:53.50 | discordianuk | wonders what that has to do with FIA |