IRC log for #gllug on 20081211

00:00.10morsingPaste in random URLs
00:00.18Provitohow is it random, the site is down
00:00.33Provitosuddenly you're the rule master?
00:00.48morsingErrmmm... It's extremely random - no context
00:01.00morsingNo, I'm not - wethrin defined that rule
00:01.18Provitoadd it to the topic then, if it's "the law"
00:01.42Provitoyour comments are 99% random with your script, it would be nice if that was against the rules as well
00:01.50morsingLots of laws on this channel - too many for the topic
00:05.22wethrinI didn't define any such rule
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06:41.33DiscordianUKmorning
08:03.13j0nrmorning all
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08:38.55ChoHagIf you're fat, filmed on the street and paraded all over the tv, who is committing the attack on human dignity?
08:39.07ChoHagThe TV station or the elephant?
08:54.32morsingsabinef72!
08:54.44morsingLeeds!
08:54.48morsingj0nr!
08:57.43kjsMorning
08:58.30MohanMorning!
08:59.09Mohanmorsing!
08:59.19morsingMohan!
08:59.21morsingkjs!
08:59.50kjsmorsing!
09:38.22ChoHagOh for a serial console.
09:38.34ChoHagMy desktop at home has crashed and I don't know why.
09:39.14morsingBeer
09:50.51wethrinEveryone should have serial consoles
09:51.19Leedseveryone should have cereal - not quite the same thing
09:51.20haliget an eRIC if it's a whitebox
10:00.42bilarh_morning folks
10:18.02ChoHagCan't find them.
10:18.21ChoHagAll I get is various Erics and Eriks.
10:18.37ChoHagAnd Ricks.
10:18.38haliraritan eric
10:18.52haliit's a remote management card
10:21.13ChoHagI figured that's what it was I just couldn't find it.
10:21.19ChoHagSounds nifty.
10:21.44ChoHagMy server, at least, could do with remote power control.
10:22.26ChoHagHmm not cheap.
10:30.06haliyeah, it's about 300 quid
10:48.53bilarh_wohoo, I got my first distinction at uni :D
10:48.56bilarh_c programming, but still :D
10:49.18bilarh_is going to celebrate with a mars bar :D
10:49.59AndyMillaruni seems such a long time away :(
10:50.57bilarh_hey i'm probably older than you :)
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10:55.03wethrinhey Blapto
10:55.11Blaptolo wethrin
10:55.20BlaptoIt's been a while since I've been ircing, what's new?
10:55.28wethrinNot much, really
10:55.34wethrinSame old, same old
10:55.42wethrinHow's things in Ticketmaster land?
10:56.05BlaptoPretty good
10:56.15BlaptoJust having a discussion about mail and DNS right now
10:56.35BlaptoWhich is fun
10:56.38wethrinfun fun
11:10.40gw280oh noes it's Blapto
11:17.07Blaptogw280!
11:17.12BlaptoI'm running Gnome, it's great.
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11:35.25morsingphearless!
11:35.28morsingBlapto!
11:35.56Blaptomorsing!!1!!one!!2
11:39.02phearlesshi :) :)
11:49.05bilarh_ah, *vernier* calipers
11:49.09bilarh_that's what it's called
11:49.27bilarh_i've been trying to think of the word for about a month now, so that I could buy one, but couldn't remember what it was
11:51.00BlaptoYou should have asked us
11:51.08Blapto"Guys, what's the name for vernier calipers?"
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12:11.15morsingBlapto!
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12:43.34morsingdick_turpin!
12:43.48dick_turpinmorsing: :-)
12:45.48dick_turpinwethrin: Not yet :-/
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13:00.18[Discordian]good afternoon
13:00.57dick_turpin[Discordian]: Hi Ya
13:01.42[Discordian]hi
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13:16.52Copepokes hali
13:35.13gw280pokes Cope
13:39.22halisup dawg
13:41.51Copehali: i need oracle xe - is it a trivial install - it's been a while since i installed oracle (3 yrs now?)
13:42.09Copehi gregj
13:42.12Copeerm gw280
13:43.13haliCope: rpm -i and one script, or they even have a apt repo if your on a .deb distro
13:43.29halitrivial
13:43.32Copecool
13:43.44Copeand free for non-commercial use
13:43.51halifree for all uses
13:43.55Copeotherwise it's SEone
13:43.56haliyou can even redistribute it
13:43.57Copeoh?
13:44.00Copeoh cool
13:44.18haliyou know the limitation of XE right?
13:44.22Copenope
13:44.28Copenever used it before
13:44.34halimax 1 cpu used, max 1gb ram used, max 4gb tablespace allowed
13:44.51AndyMillarthat's not too bad though
13:44.54Copeok
13:45.06Copeotherwise it's SEone.... ?
13:45.24gw280Cope: what thinkpad would you recommend for a person who uses it generally for word processing, a bit of movie watching, and general lightweight use?
13:45.25haliseone yes
13:45.28gw280Cope: budget up to £700
13:46.59Copegosh i don't know - i'm out of date on thinkpads
13:47.03Copei had a t43 i think
13:47.04dick_turpinCope: Does it have to be an IBM?
13:47.26Copegw280: i've been very happy with my dell laptop
13:47.29Copebest i've ever had
13:47.29dick_turpinOops I meant gw280
13:47.47gw280dick_turpin: he wants a reliable laptop. I only recommend thinkpads on the grounds that they are the only machines that can handle the amount of abuse I put them through
13:48.04Copenods at gw280 thinkpads are good and reliable
13:48.26dick_turpingw280: K I take it you want 'new'
13:48.33gw280dick_turpin: not necessarily
13:48.44dick_turpingw280: 1 sec then
13:49.42[Discordian]yeah oracleXE is easy and free
13:50.48dick_turpin<PROTECTED>
13:51.12gw280how much.
13:51.31gw280given that on ebay you can get a T60 with a 1.8GHz dual core CPU and lots more RAM/hdd space for about 300
13:52.32dick_turpingw280: Well price to me would be £120 + £10 del if your interested I can give you the contact details although generally they don't sell to the public
13:52.44dick_turpinyou're
13:55.55gw280hrm.
13:56.35wethringw280! You smell!
13:56.47wethrindick_turpin: Well, I've just got one in the post today
13:57.50dick_turpinwethrin: From them? Or the one for 50p?
13:57.54wethrin50p
13:58.03dick_turpinwethrin: :-D
13:58.35dick_turpinwethrin: So now I'll be stuck with your crap then?
13:59.03wethrinYep! Feel free to pass it on, though. To me, or someone else
13:59.50dick_turpinwethrin: No brownie points in it now (dick_turpin sulks)
14:00.00morsingCope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14:00.26bilarh_dick_turpin: you could send it to me, but then i'd have to give you my address and you might violate your restraining order :(
14:01.10haligw280: lenovo sl400, works a treat, we buy loads ofthem at work now...
14:01.19halior sl300 if you want a slightly smaller
14:01.20gw280hali: it's not a real thinkpad, it's an imposter
14:01.34haliit's still great
14:01.44dick_turpinbilarh_: Frig me! Who are you? I used to speak to someone called bilarh_ ages ago but he's been silent for days probably herpies of the gums or something
14:01.52halithere is always t400, but that'll set you back a grand
14:02.11gw280if it were me, I'd get an X301
14:02.16gw280but I think that's out of his budget ;)
14:02.33bilarh_i've been mainly working
14:02.41bilarh_i know it sounds freaky, but needs must
14:03.51dick_turpinbilarh_: Do you kiss your mum with that lieing mouth?
14:04.38bilarh_i was drunk, ok?
14:04.43morsingBeer
14:04.55bilarh_morsing: exactly, i had too much of it :*(
14:15.30dick_turpinbilarh_: Muppet, that was not a pervy question its was meant as a statement of disbelief
14:16.40morsingdick_turpin: Where's Cope?
14:19.06dick_turpinmorsing: In my pocket
14:32.51gw280I think it might be nap o'clock
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14:38.31morsingflips_and_rails!
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17:14.43morsingibot!
17:39.19ChoHag'you can rebuild the Places database as follows'
17:39.33ChoHag<instructions to permanently remove the Places database>
17:39.42morsingBeer
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18:31.51z00daxwhats a good 'merican pale ale?
18:32.32cpufreakany of you running HPN SSH on 64bit?
18:33.20ChoHagz00dax: Haha! Good one!
18:33.50z00daxcpufreak: not me no. I did track the hpn patchset for a while, but i really dont do enough to justify the time
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18:56.17cpufreakz00dax: heh, I push a few hundred gig around a day over it
20:00.18Mohanmorsing!
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20:21.10Copelooks in.
20:28.01gw280attacks cope with a bludgeon
20:33.00Cope:P
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20:55.52kjshumm just dropped my latop
20:56.13kjsit landed on a plate
20:56.17kjsand smashed it
20:56.34kjshopefully that was not the only plate'r that was damaged
22:23.53halihm, small scale BGP is tricky
22:24.58haligot two routers each peering with an isp, how do i get failover between the two routers in the firewalls behind them_
22:25.48kjshali: iv wanted to play with BGP
22:25.57haliim thinking either using HSRP in the routers or just having simple sla monitors in the ASA firewalls
22:26.58halitwo default routes, the primary with an sla tracker that pings the bgp peer of isp1, second route is just to router2 but with a higher metric
22:27.25haliBGP is way cool to play with
22:27.39rhowehali: I use OSPF for that at work
22:27.46z00daxfun
22:28.00halii was considering having a ospf/eigrp cloud between the routers and firewalls
22:28.07rhowehali: DSL gateway runs Linux, LES10 gateway is a Cisco 2611XM and the two internal routers are OpenBSD
22:28.10z00daxplaying with BGP should be made illegal for people who dont know what they are doing, specially when there is an upstream and a downstream
22:28.18rhowehali: So I have quagga, IOS and OpenOSPFd
22:28.26halibut ospf sort of just adds complexity that could go wrong
22:28.31z00daxrhowe: and way too much time on your hands!
22:28.43halii have asa5510 firewalls and cisco 2811 routers for this project
22:28.47rhowez00dax: heh, I wish
22:28.57halithe internal network and wan uses EIGRP
22:28.57rhowez00dax: Ticket queue is hovering around 160 at the moment, and it's just me
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22:29.18z00daxrhowe: isnt that the sweet spot, keep it 150+ and people will never think you are expendable
22:29.28rhowez00dax: 15 days' work
22:29.37rhowez00dax: Assuming no new tickets, so in fact it's more like a year's work
22:29.50rhoweis quitting anyway
22:30.10rhoweas soon as I find me something else, I'm out
22:30.11haliseems to be quite a lot of jobs open considering the crunch
22:30.17halilots of medium sized companies are hiring
22:30.32rhoweYeah, just need to apply :P
22:42.16z00daxwow, the GBP is taking a serious hit at the moment
22:42.26z00daxman i need to find people who can pay me in USD now :D
22:43.01[Discordian]almost parity with the euro now
22:43.10z00daxabsurd that is
22:43.24z00daxhow much is a BigMac over there in Paris ?
22:43.49haliLe BigMac
22:43.58[Discordian]i don't think they're called that
22:44.06z00daxhali: hahaha, indeed
22:44.54halithe economist has got a bigmac index :)
22:44.58halias a currency valuation tracker
22:45.13halibut requires a login and i can't remember our work login
22:45.28[Discordian]laughs
22:45.45z00daxyes, they have had that for years now
22:45.53[Discordian]i went to the opening of the first mcd in the uk
22:45.56z00daxI remember doing some of their audit work in the US back in 1998 or something like that
22:46.11z00dax[Discordian]: what year was that ?
22:46.23[Discordian]1975-6
22:46.36z00daxi was not even born then
22:46.40halihm, i haven't been to mcd in ages... quite fancy a big mac now :P
22:46.43[Discordian]twas the new thing
22:46.48z00daxhali: me too :(
22:46.54[Discordian]is old
22:46.57z00daxmaccyd's
22:47.01kjs*
22:47.07z00daxits almost 11, prolyl closed by now
22:47.18z00daxthere is one not far from [Discordian]'s place...
22:47.29[Discordian]the crayford one is drive thru
22:47.41[Discordian]open till 1;30 or so
22:47.47z00dax1:30 ???
22:47.54z00daxor did you mean 11:30 ?
22:48.02[Discordian]i believe 1:30
22:48.10halithe one in liverpool st station is 1:30 too i think
22:48.22haliwhich is walking distane for me so i ... hmm.. could get one
22:48.27[Discordian]the restaurant bit closes 11;30
22:48.36halino i'm going to resist as i had pizza for dinner
22:48.53z00daxI had a large salad and a hint of soup
22:49.08halihow healthy
22:49.32halii've had a bad food day, bacon baguette for breakfast, burrito for lunch, pizza for dinner
22:49.45haliwatches his stomach grow
22:50.18[Discordian]soup and salad is good
22:50.57[Discordian]had chicken tikka and cheese for supper
22:53.03z00daxodd combination
22:53.23[Discordian]I'm odd yah
22:57.00[Discordian]you might even think eccentric
23:24.43gw280z00dax: are you FOSDEMming this year?
23:26.35Copegw280: no
23:26.40Copegw280: he's getting married
23:26.49gw280Cope: on FOSDEM weekend?
23:26.54Copeyes
23:26.55gw280Cope: clearly that's some sort of planning failure
23:27.09Copeon fosdem's part, yes
23:27.14Copevery rude
23:27.33gw280clearly one should schedule one's wedding to not coincide with any major open source conferences or shooting events!
23:27.48Cope:)
23:27.59gw280although I think one GB shooter took it a bit far
23:28.10gw280he blew off his brother's wedding to shoot the Surrey Championships
23:28.16gw280set a new world record in doing so
23:28.22gw280then rushed off afterwards to attend the reception
23:28.23Copethat's the spirit
23:28.27Copeapproves.
23:28.37gw280it was very very funny
23:28.38rhoweWorld record for most pissed off groom? :)
23:28.43Copeooh an rhowe
23:28.46gw280rhowe: nah, he got a perfect score on the range
23:28.49z00daxgw280: no, I am getting married
23:28.50Copebeams!
23:28.51gw280150.30 out of 150.30
23:28.55rhowehey Cope
23:29.04Coperhowe: are you coming to my party?
23:29.09Copegw280: are you coming to my party?
23:29.18gw280Cope: I know of no party
23:29.20rhoweCope: I saw the invite, but I don't think I'll be around
23:29.26Copeyes you do, you liar
23:29.40Copefinds evidence.
23:30.01rhoweCope: I'm going to be in the Peak District
23:30.36Coperhowe: fair enough :)
23:30.50Copeit's George who's telling untruths! I have a record of a conversation we had.
23:30.59Copeand he can't even claim he was drunk!
23:31.23rhoweCope: Going up to Manchester on the 19th
23:31.34rhoweCope: Back in London on the 22nd to meet up with a friend from HK
23:32.02Copegw280: facebook even has you down as a maybe!
23:32.15gw280Cope: "Stephen, William and $new_baby Birthday Party"
23:32.18gw280Cope: that one?
23:32.31Copethe very same
23:32.36gw280then maybe
23:33.00Copenods. No new information there, then :)
23:34.52gw280depends on whether I feel like getting out of bed that day really :P
23:34.57gw280also how poor I feel I am
23:35.42gw280ooh z00dax is going
23:35.46gw280maybe I will make an appearance
23:35.49gw280I need someone to mockz0r
23:39.32morsingMohanQ!
23:39.35morsingMohan!
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23:51.49Mohanmorsing!
23:54.11kjsfacebook should be baned
23:55.25morsingkjs: It should!!!
23:55.41Mohankjs: create a website, and conduct a poll
23:56.37MohanShould facebook be banned to create eco friendly webworld ?
23:56.49Mohandoes that title sound nice ?
23:58.19Mohansays bye to all.
23:59.59z00daxcya

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