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| 09:09.19 | ChoHag | wtF? Since when did gnus have those bloody smilies? |
| 09:09.51 | Leeds | they are horny beasts |
| 09:10.04 | morsing | Blapto! |
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| 09:10.15 | morsing | Cope! |
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| 09:27.33 | mindbendr | goood morning |
| 09:28.32 | morsing | mindbendr! |
| 09:29.37 | morsing | mindbendr? |
| 09:29.47 | bilarh | morning folks |
| 09:30.32 | morsing | bilarh! |
| 09:31.52 | bilarh | http://steampunkworkshop.com/lcd.shtml |
| 09:32.07 | bilarh | monitor mod extraordinaire |
| 09:33.05 | hali | morning |
| 09:33.24 | morsing | hali! |
| 09:46.00 | mindbendr | morsing! |
| 09:46.52 | mindbendr | bilarh: the keyboard is impressing |
| 09:46.53 | morsing | snuggles mindbendr |
| 09:47.04 | bilarh | yeah it's pretty cool, eh? :) |
| 09:47.16 | mindbendr | yeah i didn't like the lcd mod though |
| 09:48.40 | morsing | Beer |
| 09:48.57 | morsing | http://www.noptrix.net/19.jpg |
| 09:55.27 | morsing | bilarh: Cawfy? |
| 10:27.14 | morsing | Beer |
| 10:27.48 | bilarh | you're like a script |
| 10:34.23 | kjs | that monitor looks awful |
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| 11:33.21 | wiredfutureman | hiho |
| 11:57.16 | mindbendr | is there anyone who has setup openvpn before |
| 11:57.18 | mindbendr | it's giving me a hard time |
| 11:58.18 | antiphase | Yes |
| 11:58.55 | mindbendr | antiphase: from the windows open client, it establishes the connection |
| 11:59.07 | mindbendr | but i think i'm doing something wrong about the routing part |
| 11:59.24 | mindbendr | i can't ping the server's ip address |
| 11:59.43 | antiphase | Which one; the point-to-point address or another one? |
| 12:00.13 | mindbendr | i have tried both |
| 12:00.30 | antiphase | The tunnel isn't up then, or you fucked up the point-to-point addresses |
| 12:00.33 | mindbendr | i've set the address pool on vpn server to 172.16.0.0/16 |
| 12:01.00 | mindbendr | and on the client, ifconfig 172.16.0.1 172.16.0.2 |
| 12:01.17 | mindbendr | on the server, 172.16.0.0/16 172.16.0.2 UGS 0 6 tun0 |
| 12:01.19 | antiphase | Have you turned up the logging level to see if the server considers the connection to be established? |
| 12:01.21 | mindbendr | 172.16.0.2 172.16.0.1 UH 1 6 tun0 |
| 12:01.27 | mindbendr | yes it establishes |
| 12:01.43 | antiphase | tbh I'd put the server on .1 because otherwise it'll get confusing |
| 12:01.57 | mindbendr | openvpn[5832]: TCP connection established with |
| 12:02.07 | mindbendr | Peer Connection Initiated with |
| 12:02.27 | mindbendr | it doesn't let me select the ip address for the server |
| 12:02.30 | mindbendr | how do i do that? |
| 12:02.38 | antiphase | It will use the first one in the pool |
| 12:02.49 | antiphase | So if you try and assign that to a client, itt won't work |
| 12:03.24 | mindbendr | well i have tried the otherway and it didn't work as well |
| 12:03.29 | mindbendr | but another thing is |
| 12:03.35 | mindbendr | when i change the config on client to |
| 12:03.49 | mindbendr | ifconfig 172.16.0.5 172.16.0.1 |
| 12:03.57 | mindbendr | it says |
| 12:04.11 | mindbendr | `the local and remote vpn endpoints must exist within the same 255.255.255.252 subnet |
| 12:04.23 | mindbendr | this is a limitation of --dev tun when used with tap-win32 |
| 12:04.27 | antiphase | Don't you need a subnet mask in the ifconfig statement? |
| 12:04.42 | antiphase | I'm just going from memory on that though |
| 12:04.45 | mindbendr | when TUN is used, you just define the server ip |
| 12:04.53 | mindbendr | let me change it to TAP then i can use the subnet |
| 12:05.06 | antiphase | You probably don't want TAP unless you're briding |
| 12:05.09 | antiphase | bridging |
| 12:05.11 | mindbendr | hmm |
| 12:05.23 | mindbendr | tbh, i don't know the difference |
| 12:05.31 | mindbendr | I have read tap is related to bridging |
| 12:05.36 | antiphase | I suggest some RTFM then |
| 12:05.52 | antiphase | OR get an example config running before you go mad trying to do anything complex |
| 12:06.00 | mindbendr | antiphase: i've done both |
| 12:06.06 | mindbendr | rtfm and example config |
| 12:06.15 | mindbendr | i can't ping no matter of what i do |
| 12:06.19 | antiphase | Well you missed the bit about the server taking the first address in the pool :) |
| 12:06.50 | mindbendr | i haven't missed it (i know it was taking the first one) but |
| 12:06.51 | antiphase | If the link gets established and the interface configs are correct at both ends, it will work |
| 12:06.54 | mindbendr | when i do ipconfig |
| 12:07.00 | mindbendr | ifconfig |
| 12:07.13 | mindbendr | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:07.25 | mindbendr | does that .2 ip address defined as the gateway? |
| 12:07.41 | antiphase | Err |
| 12:07.51 | antiphase | It's in the same subnet, so you don't need routes or gateways |
| 12:08.34 | antiphase | You need to set the server as a gateway if you wish to send VPN traffic onwards through the server, which you do with a route push in the server openvpn config |
| 12:08.47 | mindbendr | so the client must be 0.2 |
| 12:08.55 | antiphase | But that's irrelevant if you can't contaact the server anyway |
| 12:09.22 | antiphase | I assume you've turned off all your iptables stuff as well, or haven't done something retarded like dropping ICMP |
| 12:09.48 | mindbendr | well i use a windows client for openvpn and the server is freebsd |
| 12:09.54 | mindbendr | it allows openvpn connection from WAN |
| 12:09.55 | antiphase | pf then |
| 12:10.08 | mindbendr | and LAN has got ALLOW for * |
| 12:10.10 | antiphase | Use tcpdump on the server to really prove that no traffic is arriving |
| 12:10.49 | mindbendr | openvpn's client says that the connection established (it has got a gui so it doesn't get disconnected) and assigns the ip address and i can see the same thing on the server's vpn logs |
| 12:10.57 | mindbendr | the thing i'm confused is |
| 12:11.04 | mindbendr | inet 172.16.0.1 --> 172.16.0.2 |
| 12:11.07 | mindbendr | what does this mean |
| 12:11.18 | mindbendr | is the client supposed to be 172.16.0.2 |
| 12:11.21 | antiphase | A point-to-point link |
| 12:12.02 | antiphase | That's your virtual interface that openvpn provides, which in your case probably ought to be 172.16.0.2 |
| 12:12.17 | mindbendr | on the client? or on the server? |
| 12:12.18 | antiphase | Assuming you haven't been silly and used that subnet elsewhere on your server |
| 12:12.26 | mindbendr | no i haven't used |
| 12:13.16 | antiphase | If your client is on .1 it won't work, so don't do it |
| 12:13.24 | mindbendr | my client is 0.2 |
| 12:13.34 | antiphase | Good |
| 12:13.35 | mindbendr | inet 172.16.0.1 --> 172.16.0.2 ( this is from the server's ipconfig) |
| 12:13.57 | mindbendr | and on windows when I do ipconfig |
| 12:14.10 | antiphase | So now tcpdump -i tun0 and see if your pings from the client arrive |
| 12:14.22 | mindbendr | ip address is 0.2 and subnetmask 172.16.0.1 , dhcp server 172.16.0.0 (there's no dhcp though) |
| 12:14.44 | antiphase | Subnet mask 172.16.0.1?? |
| 12:14.49 | mindbendr | yeah i don't know how does it happen |
| 12:14.53 | antiphase | Gragh |
| 12:15.06 | antiphase | It's like I said earlier I think, that you fucked up the ifconfig statement in the server config |
| 12:15.24 | morsing | Beer |
| 12:15.28 | antiphase | goes to find a working config to look at |
| 12:16.30 | antiphase | Hmm, one I use has "ifconfig-push client.address server.address" |
| 12:16.48 | mindbendr | hmm |
| 12:17.15 | mindbendr | i have changed subnet to /16 |
| 12:17.20 | mindbendr | still i can't ping |
| 12:17.32 | antiphase | What does tcpdump say? |
| 12:17.38 | mindbendr | nothing |
| 12:17.58 | mindbendr | do I need to configure PF |
| 12:18.00 | antiphase | tbh it's getting to the point where I'd have to see your interface configs and openvpn configs in full, because there's probably something glaring that you haven't noticed |
| 12:18.09 | mindbendr | it allows openVPN from WAN but |
| 12:18.23 | mindbendr | tun0 is not a valid interfaces that appears on the web management of the firewall |
| 12:18.36 | antiphase | If you're not at all experienced in network debugging, it's going to be difficult |
| 12:18.56 | mindbendr | antiphase: i can paste-bin the configs |
| 12:19.01 | antiphase | "web management" sound ominous |
| 12:19.32 | mindbendr | well it's PFSense |
| 12:19.34 | antiphase | Paste away; configs, ifconfig/ipconfig output, routing tables. The more the merrier |
| 12:20.14 | antiphase | I need to afk for a few mins |
| 12:20.26 | mindbendr | ok |
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| 12:22.54 | dick_turpin | Boing |
| 12:22.56 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 12:23.09 | dick_turpin | morsing: :-) |
| 12:23.22 | morsing | Beer |
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| 12:39.43 | antiphase | so I gave her a pearl necklace |
| 13:04.43 | ChoHag | Lotus IMAP kills gnus. |
| 13:34.23 | bilarh | dick_turpin: so i hear police cordoned off a part of the centre of liverpool yesterday because they found a suspicious object in a car |
| 13:34.33 | bilarh | dick_turpin: turned out to be a tax disc :-\ |
| 13:34.41 | morsing | Beer |
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| 13:36.00 | dick_turpin | bilarh: rotfl |
| 13:37.35 | bilarh | :D |
| 13:37.46 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I di a really clever thing Saturday, pulled out in front of a cop car! I'd seen them coming but my brain lied and siad they was turning left |
| 13:38.12 | dick_turpin | bilarh: The copper threw her hands in the air and called me something |
| 13:38.23 | bilarh | i hope you slapped her one |
| 13:38.33 | dick_turpin | bilarh: best bity is they didn't chase me or anything? |
| 13:38.41 | dick_turpin | best bit |
| 13:39.17 | dick_turpin | As men do, I blamed the wife for talking to me while driving |
| 13:43.35 | bilarh | naturally :) |
| 13:44.05 | dick_turpin | bilarh: wanna hear my car woes? |
| 13:44.11 | bilarh | go on then |
| 13:44.44 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Tomorrow, new Coil, leads and plugs £185.35 |
| 13:44.59 | bilarh | jeez, sounds expensive :S |
| 13:45.09 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Wednesday New clutch £308 odd |
| 13:45.50 | dick_turpin | bilarh: This morning back box (Exhaust) rubber came off |
| 13:46.15 | bilarh | thought of torching it? :D |
| 13:46.23 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Oh and passenger side brake and rear light not working even after fitting a new bulb |
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| 15:16.28 | ChoHag | GAAA! |
| 15:16.47 | ChoHag | Lotus IMAP is broken and the only thing which can cope is Thunderbird and Thunderbird sucks. |
| 15:17.29 | ChoHag | Fuck it. I'm going to go and test the memory. |
| 15:19.08 | z00dax | whats wrong with thunderbird ? |
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| 16:09.54 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 16:16.19 | Mohan | Hi all |
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| 16:17.55 | morsing | Mohan! |
| 16:18.01 | Mohan | morsing! |
| 16:18.04 | morsing | Mohan: What's for tea? |
| 16:18.22 | Mohan | i have got some cookies :) |
| 16:18.33 | morsing | Light tea... :) |
| 16:18.39 | Mohan | chocochip cookie ;) |
| 16:19.10 | Mohan | i am so happy today |
| 16:19.15 | morsing | :) |
| 16:19.17 | morsing | Me too! |
| 16:19.22 | Mohan | cos i have cleared my driving test :D |
| 16:19.34 | morsing | :)) |
| 16:20.00 | Mohan | whats that you are happy for ? |
| 16:20.28 | morsing | lol :) Can't say it on channel!! :D |
| 16:20.54 | Mohan | you got a new gf ? |
| 16:20.58 | Mohan | :)) |
| 16:21.01 | morsing | :))))) |
| 16:22.07 | Mohan | the strange thing is i had the same exact examiner who failed me last time ;) |
| 16:22.13 | morsing | :) |
| 16:22.15 | Mohan | its such a pain |
| 16:22.25 | morsing | *hug* |
| 16:22.32 | Mohan | thanks. |
| 16:22.58 | morsing | Mohan: Where's Sally? |
| 16:23.13 | Mohan | sally went to cook salmon |
| 16:23.17 | Mohan | :)) |
| 16:23.29 | morsing | :D |
| 16:23.38 | Mohan | why is no one speaking in the room ? |
| 16:23.51 | morsing | Because they no antiphase is listening |
| 16:23.52 | Mohan | did you scare all of them with your wierd bot ? |
| 16:23.53 | morsing | know |
| 16:23.57 | morsing | No |
| 16:24.34 | Mohan | antiphase: are you ? |
| 16:25.14 | Mohan | my shell account provider dns seems to be down |
| 16:25.17 | Mohan | :( |
| 16:25.19 | morsing | :( |
| 16:25.38 | Mohan | thier website seems to be down |
| 16:25.53 | Mohan | i was just wondering are they bankrupt or what |
| 16:26.09 | morsing | ? |
| 16:26.14 | Mohan | but i managed to login to thier server using other server dns cache |
| 16:26.17 | Mohan | ispeeds.net |
| 16:26.37 | Mohan | neither there name server nor the webserver seems to be up |
| 16:27.27 | Mohan | can you dig ispeeds.net or ns[1,2].ispeeds.net ? |
| 16:28.18 | Mohan | nothing seems to work strangely, dont know why |
| 16:28.44 | morsing | It's gone wrong |
| 16:28.48 | morsing | Think it's down |
| 16:30.14 | Mohan | its a shame they didnt fix it yet |
| 16:32.50 | Mohan | morsing: so did you manage to find a buyer who would fix your dishwasher ? |
| 16:34.06 | morsing | Mohan: No :( |
| 16:36.02 | Mohan | you should try some techniques attracting buyers |
| 16:36.14 | Mohan | and should have run an advertising campaign for it |
| 16:36.25 | Mohan | upto 100% OFF |
| 16:37.58 | Mohan | start now to win the deal of getting a LAPTOP |
| 16:38.23 | Mohan | terms and conditions apply:- |
| 16:38.35 | Mohan | just needed to fix a dishwasher in return |
| 16:39.02 | Mohan | serious candidates only apply. |
| 16:39.20 | Mohan | run this advert in gumtree you should get ample responses :) |
| 16:52.26 | mindbendr | antiphase: I've solved the issue btw, thanks |
| 16:52.50 | antiphase | k-rad |
| 16:53.35 | z00dax | speaking of gumtree, you guys know about the western union for rent payment fraud thing going around these days ? |
| 16:55.04 | z00dax | http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=gumtree+western+union+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 16:55.17 | gregj | who would pay rent via WU |
| 16:55.24 | gregj | that smells badly |
| 16:56.14 | gregj | UK folks are so easily tricked, heh. |
| 16:56.19 | morsing | Beer |
| 16:57.06 | antiphase | It's because we have more money to dispose of inadvisedly than a load of ex-commies that live on potatoes and vodka. Or something :P |
| 16:57.27 | cpufreak | quite |
| 16:58.43 | morsing | nibbles on cpufreak's nose |
| 17:02.41 | z00dax | umm vodka |
| 17:02.48 | cpufreak | you might not like that, it's got snot and boggies dribbling out of it |
| 17:15.08 | mindbendr | z00dax: they have got some other advanced ways for that |
| 17:15.43 | mindbendr | z00dax: like if they are leaving the house they had rented, they say they can show you the house, they give you the key |
| 17:15.54 | mindbendr | z00dax: just before handing the key to the real owner |
| 17:16.28 | mindbendr | z00dax: then they change the lock, get the advance and disappear |
| 17:34.55 | Mohan | mindbendr: if you go through a proper letting agency you dont have to worry about it :> |
| 18:13.36 | mindbendr | Mohan: well you have to pay to the agency so either way you are ripped off, what's the point? |
| 18:13.48 | mindbendr | have a good weekend ppl |
| 18:13.50 | mindbendr | i'm off |
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| 18:54.39 | some1 | Hi. Would someone know what happens on the BT phone line installation day (when the engineer comes)? |
| 18:55.51 | some1 | this bt guy told me that basically engineer comes and installs the line, but the letter (that I received recetly) says that the engineer is gonna call me on that day? |
| 18:56.25 | wethrin | Are they actually installing something, or just activating it at the exchange? |
| 18:57.38 | some1 | well, i have a bt socket, but bt told me that an engineer is still has to do something and i still need to pay the installation fee 130quid. |
| 18:58.07 | some1 | i'm renting the place, and have no idea what the previous tenants had or if they had anything at all... |
| 18:58.13 | wethrin | Probably just flip a switch on the exchange |
| 18:58.27 | wethrin | Or plug a cable in on the exchange |
| 18:58.56 | wethrin | If all they did was put a stop on the line, then it wouldn't cost anything to reinstate |
| 18:59.49 | some1 | well, unless they're ripping me off, it probably has been moved to another address or something... |
| 19:00.02 | some1 | because it's not free |
| 19:00.10 | DiscordianUK | installation can cover anything from flipping a switch to installing a cable from a telegraph pole |
| 19:01.04 | some1 | ok.. well, let's get back to the original question? are they going to call me? why? or are they just going to come? |
| 19:01.19 | wethrin | That will depend on what they need to do |
| 19:01.25 | DiscordianUK | dunno why not ask them? |
| 19:02.10 | some1 | i don't really want to spend tens of pounds asking them that, while they either put me on hold or transfer to another department.. |
| 19:02.44 | DiscordianUK | blinks |
| 19:03.32 | DiscordianUK | how are we supposed to know? |
| 19:04.03 | some1 | from your experience, if you had one |
| 19:04.32 | DiscordianUK | mine was back in the dark ages |
| 19:04.57 | DiscordianUK | bt engineer had to come and change the NTE |
| 19:05.26 | DiscordianUK | faceplate thingy |
| 19:07.10 | some1 | well, that is not very heplful:) |
| 19:07.54 | DiscordianUK | let's see now : this isn't #bthelp |
| 19:08.18 | DiscordianUK | what does your enquiry have to with linux? |
| 19:08.48 | wethrin | Isn't 150 free? |
| 19:08.57 | some1 | the linux guys tend to know stuff |
| 19:09.02 | DiscordianUK | yes i believe so |
| 19:09.38 | wethrin | This is a LUG channel. So it contains a group of people that use Linux. They may also have other interests, and know other things. |
| 19:10.36 | DiscordianUK | yeah but i was told i was unhelpful and i shared my experience |
| 19:10.46 | DiscordianUK | with a caveat |
| 19:10.56 | some1 | wethrin, maybe if you're calling from a bt landline |
| 19:11.12 | some1 | DiscordianUK, don't start crying now |
| 19:11.32 | DiscordianUK | so go to a coin box, dial 150 |
| 19:13.20 | some1 | DiscordianUK: I meant home landline. are the public ones free as well? |
| 19:13.31 | DiscordianUK | yes |
| 19:14.01 | z00dax | in my experience BT are quite random |
| 19:14.10 | DiscordianUK | that's how i report my line out of order when it goes wrong |
| 19:14.12 | some1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.56 | z00dax | when I moved into a flat in Dartford, west hill, they said a BT person would need to come in to put something in. 7 guys landed up with more equipment than you can fit in 2 trucks, so they brought 3 |
| 19:16.31 | some1 | z00dax: did they call you before coming? |
| 19:16.36 | z00dax | no |
| 19:17.14 | DiscordianUK | if you don't have a working phone how can they call? |
| 19:17.20 | z00dax | all they had to do was plug in one of their own phones into the existing socket, ring someone, and that was it. |
| 19:17.42 | wethrin | Mobile phone? |
| 19:17.58 | DiscordianUK | does the bt socket let you dial 150? |
| 19:17.58 | some1 | DiscordianUK: what wethrin said |
| 19:18.01 | z00dax | ofcouse since there were so many of them, I took my chances and asked if they could put me on a new pair from the pole to socket. they did better - they actually laid out a new cable from the DP right into the place. |
| 19:18.12 | some1 | DiscordianUK: don't have a regular phone |
| 19:18.14 | z00dax | I had the fastest ADSL in town for a long long time!!! |
| 19:18.40 | z00dax | ( they also quite helpfully disabled the overvoltage / beel loop - which helped aparently ) |
| 19:18.40 | some1 | DiscordianUK: can't check |
| 19:18.44 | DiscordianUK | heh |
| 19:19.12 | z00dax | but this was 2001. I got the feeling that this entire troop of contractors were on their first outing post adsl-training course. |
| 19:19.18 | some1 | z00dax: your experience with bt has been slightly better than my.. although,techincally, it is openreach, not bt |
| 19:19.38 | some1 | oh 2001.. than it was bt... strange |
| 19:19.41 | z00dax | some1: it wasent openreach in 2001 |
| 19:19.59 | some1 | i mean it's no big deal.. i just don't like leaving my phone turned on during the night (colleagues like calling me at that time).. |
| 19:20.08 | morsing | Beer |
| 19:20.15 | DiscordianUK | i'd have thought these days a site visit isn;'t necessary |
| 19:20.25 | some1 | an i arranged for an engineer to come in the morning.. |
| 19:20.37 | DiscordianUK | you just fit your own microfilters |
| 19:20.52 | z00dax | when I moved from that place in 2004, wanted to keep my number and BT wanted £150 for that. Considering I was staying / moving to within the same exchange area, that sounded a bit strange, and they started barganing with me!! offering lower price in return for fixed contracts etc. Letter from a lawyer to BT meant I moved the number, free of cost and no contracts. |
| 19:21.04 | DiscordianUK | and install your router |
| 19:22.05 | DiscordianUK | if you don't use the landline you'd probably only need one microfilter |
| 19:22.29 | z00dax | DiscordianUK: that would work anyway, but the quality of last-mile makes a major difference. |
| 19:22.47 | morsing | z00dax: Where's Sally? |
| 19:22.54 | DiscordianUK | you'll need your login id and password from bt |
| 19:22.55 | z00dax | morsing: the chicken ? |
| 19:23.54 | z00dax | when they replaced the old wodden poles outside here with the new ones, I asked the contractor to redo my cable, all the way into the back of the house, which they did - no questions asked, my adsl speeds went from 7Mb/sec to abot 11Mb/sec |
| 19:23.58 | z00dax | this was late last year |
| 19:24.15 | DiscordianUK | hmm m |
| 19:24.46 | DiscordianUK | the poles here are still wooden |
| 19:24.52 | z00dax | ofcourse that meant I had to buy a router |
| 19:24.59 | DiscordianUK | and i get 3mbs |
| 19:25.34 | DiscordianUK | but i'm a long way from the exchange which is in bexley village |
| 19:29.57 | some1 | how did you find out where the exchange point was? |
| 19:31.33 | DiscordianUK | samknows will show you |
| 19:31.57 | DiscordianUK | you enter telephone number and post code |
| 19:32.57 | some1 | oh, nice |
| 19:34.52 | some1 | and, what is considered far? |
| 19:35.02 | morsing | Check it! |
| 19:35.28 | some1 | I checked it |
| 19:35.45 | DiscordianUK | 3.5km is considered marginal |
| 19:36.22 | some1 | hmm.. ~2 miles |
| 19:36.56 | DiscordianUK | in 2000/2001 i got refused adsl twice cos it was too far |
| 19:37.31 | some1 | bollocks |
| 19:38.24 | DiscordianUK | it should give you an estimate of likely speed |
| 19:39.00 | some1 | my estimate doesn't look too good.. |
| 19:39.35 | DiscordianUK | why what is it? |
| 19:40.34 | some1 | didn't you say that 3.5km is marginal? |
| 19:41.33 | DiscordianUK | so they tokld me |
| 19:41.34 | DiscordianUK | i get 3mb here |
| 19:41.50 | some1 | how far is yours? |
| 19:43.43 | DiscordianUK | i'm 3.5km i think |
| 19:44.10 | some1 | and you get 3Mbit? |
| 19:45.26 | DiscordianUK | yeah depends on cables |
| 19:46.11 | DiscordianUK | a friend a street behind me and marginally further gets 4.5mb |
| 19:48.17 | some1 | ok, that sound reassuring.. was afraid 3mbit is the most you can get for this kind of distance... |
| 19:49.19 | DiscordianUK | 3mb is fine i could get 10mb if i went cable |
| 19:50.15 | some1 | well, it's not like I need more than 3, but I would certainly would not want to have much less than 3... |
| 19:51.02 | DiscordianUK | remembers when 9600baud was fast |
| 19:54.29 | some1 | remember dslinux on 486sx |
| 19:54.35 | some1 | s' |
| 19:55.22 | some1 | what was it... 4-5 months ago.. |
| 19:55.40 | DiscordianUK | hah i started with sls , 0.99pl4 kernel on a 386/16 in 1992 |
| 19:57.34 | some1 | hah, i started with slackware, on pentium2 in 2004.. |
| 19:57.43 | some1 | oh no... wait... you win.. |
| 19:58.26 | DiscordianUK | by 12 years |
| 19:58.43 | some1 | details, details.... |
| 19:59.07 | DiscordianUK | and some dozen pcs i think |
| 19:59.58 | some1 | ok, ok... settle down |
| 20:00.30 | DiscordianUK | sticks to fedora these days |
| 20:02.11 | some1 | oh yes.. fedora... fedora.org |
| 20:02.26 | DiscordianUK | yeah |
| 20:12.59 | z00dax | its fedoraproject.com actually |
| 20:13.30 | z00dax | err. .org |
| 20:13.55 | morsing | Cawfy |
| 20:14.59 | some1 | i know... I just like mentioning fedora.org, whenever someone starts talking about fedora... |
| 20:40.31 | kjs | who the hell owns that fedora.org |
| 20:40.40 | kjs | they must get a'lot of bandwidth |
| 20:41.00 | kjs | hits even |
| 20:41.04 | kjs | im losing it lol |
| 20:41.29 | some1 | they should probably put a banner in there and start exploiting the situation... |
| 20:42.10 | kjs | or a fake fedora site that links to add's instead of linux iso's |
| 20:42.57 | some1 | i think porn works better for that...? |
| 20:43.10 | Nafallo | \o/ |
| 20:43.22 | kjs | fedoraporn |
| 20:43.25 | kjs | dot org |
| 20:43.34 | Nafallo | prefers his gf :-) |
| 20:43.50 | morsing | Beer |
| 20:44.10 | kjs | Nafallo: feel free to upload her |
| 20:44.22 | Nafallo | ehrm |
| 20:44.36 | some1 | oh yes... share with the less fortunate Nafallo... |
| 20:44.38 | Nafallo | let's see how to politely say this... FUCK RIGHT OFF! |
| 20:44.48 | Nafallo | and yea. that was the polite version. |
| 20:44.57 | some1 | :) |
| 20:45.14 | kjs | then we can run a penintration test |
| 20:45.53 | kjs | and root her |
| 20:46.20 | z00dax | anyone using powerline e-net ? |
| 20:46.45 | Nafallo | kjs: yea sure... and maybe we should try the test on you first? wooden stick up your soon to be bloody arse!? |
| 20:46.51 | Nafallo | :-) |
| 20:46.56 | z00dax | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/132754 <-- these look interesting |
| 20:46.58 | z00dax | and cheap |
| 20:47.01 | kjs | haha :) |
| 20:47.25 | kjs | i drop all packets on that interface Nafallo ! |
| 20:47.43 | z00dax | sheesh.. |
| 20:47.45 | z00dax | kids |
| 20:48.00 | Nafallo | kjs: lets find out, shall we? ;-) |
| 20:48.08 | kjs | ok enough |
| 20:48.42 | kjs | z00dax: i used to use those powerline things |
| 20:49.11 | z00dax | how do you set the secure ID ? |
| 20:49.19 | kjs | i used them on a job a couple years back, not that exact model though |
| 20:49.36 | kjs | they sucked |
| 20:49.36 | Nafallo | yea. sorry. trolling combined with viking blood and high protective instincts :-) |
| 20:50.04 | kjs | sent them back, might work better now though |
| 21:06.54 | kjs | I dont understand why these nintendo wii's are still so poular |
| 21:06.57 | kjs | popular |
| 21:10.23 | Provito | kjs, good fun games, mario cart online is great fun |
| 21:10.29 | Provito | have you played it? |
| 21:11.20 | Provito | wii fit has helped this christmas as well |
| 21:17.49 | kjs | Provito: NA ONLY PLAYED A COUPE OF GAMES |
| 21:17.53 | kjs | damn it |
| 21:18.12 | kjs | mainly that boxing game |
| 21:27.46 | Provito | kjs, mario cart online is probably the best I think, since it's good gameplay and you can play against friends, continent or world users |
| 21:28.10 | Provito | if you only play boxing no wonder you can't see the attraction, that's fun for about 10 minutes |
| 21:29.17 | morsing | Beer |
| 22:03.44 | kjs | Provito: agreed |
| 22:49.45 | morsing | Beer |
| 22:54.06 | kjs | Lager |
| 22:55.06 | morsing | :( |
