IRC log for #gllug on 20090108

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01:08.03morsingLeeds!
01:08.06morsingflips_and_rails!
01:08.19zx80usermorsing!
01:08.46zx80usernow 15 months since I last typed that ;-)
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07:52.38j0nrmorning
07:57.53Leedsanyone want to bet on the interest rate change today?
07:58.08LeedsReuters are saying -0.5% expected, Sky are saying up to -1%
07:58.32j0nr-0.7865
07:58.56Leedsif this goes on much longer, Barclays will be giving me money every month :-)
08:07.32j0nrbarclays keep giving me money each month...shame it doesn't belong to me.
08:22.44cpufreakmore reduction in interest rates?
08:22.45cpufreakidiots
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08:56.09morsingMohan!
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09:07.15kjsMorning
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09:09.13morsingEra!
09:09.15nixofortunehi!
09:09.17morsingkjs!
09:15.24kjsgrr
09:15.38kjstraceroute is broken on this fedora box, not aure why
09:20.51bilarhi want one of these: http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?moduleno=226754&C=Newsletter&U=09P01-4_N37GH&T=-11873266
09:20.57bilarhusb microscope :D
09:22.02morsingBeer
09:23.13bilarhno, it's an 04:20 < bilarh> usb microscope :D
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09:23.36nixofortune:)
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09:41.08nixofortune<PROTECTED>
09:41.36j0nrmorsing!
09:41.46j0nr:( no j0nr! this morn
09:42.12morsingwtf?!
09:42.21morsingWhat am I doing wrong?!
09:43.49morsingRight, why was I no longer identified?!
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09:46.15j0nrfavouritsim
09:46.21morsingBeer
09:46.32morsingj0nr: Cawfy?
09:46.35j0nrs/favouritsim/favouritism/
09:46.42j0nrthinks?
09:47.08j0nrmorsing: no no no! TEA!
09:47.13morsingYUCK!
09:47.18j0nrlol
09:48.11nixofortunegastric acid
09:48.20nixofortune:)
10:01.41morsingBeer
10:03.47nixofortunemorsing: i set up [msgs_window on] in irssi. it doesn't print messages but just active windows is it normal?
10:04.40morsingWhat's [msgs_window on]?
10:05.29nixofortunethis is where all messages should go
10:05.36morsingRight...
10:05.40morsingWhat's messages?
10:06.37nixofortunebut all i see just notice like [Act 2] means some one sene a messge to window 2
10:06.44morsingNice
10:06.56nixofortunebut no actual message
10:06.57morsingNever heard of messages...
10:08.51nixofortuneif i connected to 2 different channels i would like to be notified  when new msg arrived
10:09.24morsingnixofortune: I don't get it...
10:09.41morsingnixofortune: When you get a message a number highlights in your status bar
10:10.08nixofortunei don't have it
10:10.13morsing...
10:10.30nixofortuneor wait
10:11.03nixofortunei saw it
10:11.43nixofortunemaybe it's a private message window
10:12.26nixofortuneneed to read FAQ more carefully
10:13.09nixofortunemorsing: did you send private message just now?
10:14.07wethrinAct: merely means there's been activity in the window
10:14.19wethrinOn my colour scheme, there's three levels
10:14.31wethrinLight green/blue if it's just been a join or part
10:14.39wethrinBold white if it's normal IRC conversation
10:14.52wethrinBold purple if someone said something on my hilight list
10:15.51nixofortunewethrin: what the purpose of message window?
10:17.07nixofortunei thought it prints all the messages with window address
10:17.37morsingnixofortune: Yes I did
10:17.54nixofortuneinstead it prints just the address or a current window activity
10:17.59wethrinnixofortune: It's where people's private messages go, isn't it?
10:18.09nixofortunegot it
10:18.26nixofortunethanks
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10:31.19j0nrnixofortune: are you trying to set up a window that piles up all messages in your hilight list?
10:31.43morsingnixofortune: Will beer help?
10:36.50nixofortunej0nr: it would be nice to have one
10:40.36j0nrhttp://scripts.irssi.org/    
10:40.57j0nrscroll down to hilightwin.pl
10:41.11j0nrfollow instructions top of page
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11:12.27wiredfuturemanola
11:12.29morsingwiredfutureman!
11:12.40wiredfuturemanmorsing!
11:13.21j0nranyone know where i find (or create) ncftp's general.cf config file?
11:14.36wiredfuturemanhi jonr
11:14.50j0nrhello
11:14.59wiredfuturemanprobably named general-example.cf or summin
11:15.06wiredfuturemansec
11:15.17wiredfuturemandon't even know what ftp i'm running lol
11:16.34wiredfuturemanah vsftp
11:17.40wiredfuturemanhow did you install ncftp?
11:17.52j0nrsudo apt-get install ncftp
11:18.01wiredfuturemanshould be in /etc/ncftpd/
11:18.20wiredfuturemanas in: /etc/ncftpd/general.cf
11:18.24j0nrshould be but the directory doesnt exist
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11:32.16j0nrmofo! that i did not mean to do!
11:32.50morsingj0nr!
11:49.58nixofortunej0nr: just notice perl script doesnt work
11:50.37nixofortuneon "/load perl" have this "Error loading module perl/core: /usr/local/lib/irssi/modules/libperl_core.so: cannot open shared object file:  No such file or directory"
11:51.20morsingkinko!
11:52.52j0nrnixofortune: oh... i don't know what that means sorry
11:53.46wethrinIt means it can't find the file
11:53.58wethrinProbably it's not put the .so file in /usr/local/lib
11:58.33nixofortunemaybe i compiled it wrong?
12:03.34bilarhall time low interest rate of 1.5%
12:03.39wethrinyep
12:03.56wethrinall the lucky people on tracker mortgages
12:04.10bilarhexcept if you haven't got a collar, of course :)
12:04.26wethrinmm
12:07.03wethrinSo don't spend your mortgage saving all at once
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12:49.56z00daxdont most companies have a limit on the tracker as well ? something like they wont go lower than 2%
12:50.17wethrinA number of banks do. Some don't.
12:50.35wethrinFrom what people have been saying, it appears that A&L don't have a cap
12:52.47dick_turpinNationwide need putting out of business, money grabbing pigs! they refuse to pass on the rate
12:53.10wethrinEh. They're still better than banks
12:53.49dick_turpinAbbey has been pretty good for me so far my rate has been dropping nicely
12:56.17j0nrif i have access to 2 different servers via ftp, is it possible to transfer files direct from one to the other?
12:57.42wethrinHA. In theory, yes, the protocol is designed to be able to do that
12:58.26wethrinIn practice.......good luck
12:59.59j0nrshould i not bother
13:00.03j0nr?
13:00.36j0nri need to transfer ~1GB and would think it better to go direct rather than download it locally and then upload to the other
13:01.05wethrinLog in to the remote system
13:06.17antiphaseGet a faster internet connection
13:06.28antiphase1GB only takes half a minute to move if you have one :P
13:06.37wethrinSure, and it'll cost a fuckload :)
13:07.00antiphaseYou get what you pay for :)
13:07.08wethrinheh
13:07.14wethrinYou're not paying personally for it, are you?
13:07.29cpufreakj0nr: use an FXP capaable client
13:07.34cpufreakand you should be alright
13:07.45antiphaseOnly n00bs pay for their Internets
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13:08.23wethrinpah. Or those who don't work in a place that pays for their home intertube
13:08.51dick_turpinwethrin: :-)
13:08.54antiphaseI get round it by not leaving the office
13:09.42wethrinheh
13:10.22j0nrantiphase:my  broadband is slow for upload
13:10.46j0nrcpufreak: ta
13:12.37cpufreakj0nr: then your broadband isn't broad.
13:13.01cpufreakdecides to move some files about at 800MBytes/sec because he can
13:13.52wethrinPah
13:14.24antiphaseOMG that's like a CD in one second!!!!11eleven
13:18.41cpufreak:]
13:18.57z00daxantiphase: I think your shift key broke there down the right side
13:19.55morsingLeeds!
13:19.59morsingdick_turpin!
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14:05.26kjsjesus
14:05.28kjsthat was hell
14:05.43kjsi forgot how bad outlook really is
14:14.18j0nranyone use lftp?
14:19.36antiphaseMore like "Does anyone use FTP at all these days?"
14:19.47j0nrwhy?
14:20.17antiphaseNo encryption, often fails to work with NAT, general pain in the arse
14:20.33j0nrwhat do you use instead?
14:20.39wethrinscp
14:20.41wethrinor sftp
14:20.42antiphasescp or rsync-over-ssh
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14:46.36bilarhj0nr: lftp, yes?
14:46.49bilarhi can't remember how to use it, though :D
14:47.01bilarhapart from the fact that it seemed very scriptable and nice at the time
14:47.09bilarhand supports all manner of proxies which is really handy
14:48.09bilarhspecifically, it does FTP over HTTP proxy, which was really handy at the time
14:50.36j0nri was just having problems doing a 'ls' seemed to take forever as if it was stuck, then all of a sudden it came thru
14:51.13bilarhfrmo the manual:  Every  operation  in lftp is reliable, that is any not fatal error is ignored and the operation is repeated. So if  down- loading breaks, it will be restarted from the point automat- ically. Even if ftp server does not  support  REST  command, lftp  will  try to retrieve the file from the very beginning until the file is transferred completely.
14:51.38bilarhi'm guessing it did something similar for your ls there
14:54.08Leedswethrin: ping?
14:54.41wethrinLeeds: pong
14:54.55Leedssorry, was going to ask you about FOSDEM for Niv
14:55.05wethrinI'm goingto Fosdem
14:56.40Leedshe asked me what a room was likely to cost
14:57.15wethrinI think it's about 20 EUR a night in the youth hostel
15:13.17Mohanmorsing!
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15:16.41cityLightsshi, did anyone here actually got samba to work with active directory?
15:17.14cityLightssI mean add a linux server to a windwos domain, and have users open files on the storage with their own privladges?
15:17.31cityLightssusing kerberos and such
15:18.47boudiccascityLightss; what distro?
15:18.59cityLightssgentoo
15:19.07cityLightssbut the config is the same
15:19.08boudiccascityLightss; its just that i like to know what distros people are using
15:19.24cityLightssI read7 offical guides fpr samba
15:21.00MohancityLightss: and what is the issue you have now ?
15:21.04cityLightssI can read the user list on the storage server using windbind , but can't access it with a windows account
15:22.32cityLightssq1. at /etc/samba/smb.conf what do you have at the security = ?
15:22.35cityLightssI used ADS
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15:25.15bilarhcitylights: i have security=domain
15:25.27bilarhhaving said that, i don't think my setup does what you awnt it to do
15:25.41Mohanhttp://howtoforge.org/samba_ads_security_mode
15:25.41bilarhwe have a bunch of unix shares served through samba
15:25.49bilarhwith windows authentication
15:25.59bilarhbut it's still the permissions of the unix files that are exported
15:26.11bilarhand all our windows users also have a unix username (not the same one, necessarily)
15:26.15Mohanmay be you can find what you are looking for.
15:27.22bilarhcitylightss: when you say "their own privileges", what do you actually mean?
15:28.17cityLightssbilarh: I mean that the users are not in the linux /etc/passwd file
15:28.30bilarhah ok, that's a royal pain in the arse
15:28.35bilarhi had it working on a test setup years ago
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15:28.42bilarhbut it kept hanging the machine (!)
15:29.09bilarhand it was most painful to do anything on it if you had winbind in /etc/nsswitch.conf
15:29.14cityLightsstheir login and password comes from active directory and after they write a file I would see they own the file with their login
15:29.27bilarhbut only in samba, right
15:29.41cityLightssright
15:30.02bilarhit can be done with that pseudo windows-id to unix-uid mapping stuff
15:30.11cityLightssright I got winbind at my /etc/nsswitch.conf
15:30.22bilarhbut unfortunately all i can remember is that it was painful and sucked at the time so i didn't use  it :)
15:30.32cityLightssbilarh: pseudo windows-id  ?
15:30.50bilarhi'm wondering if you even need winbind in nsswitch.conf if you don't care about ownership of files in linux
15:31.05bilarhsorry, that should read:  pseudo "windows-id to unix-uid" mapping
15:31.27bilarhdon't worry, you get used to my bad punctuation after a while ;-)
15:31.31cityLightssyes bilarh , this is what I want
15:31.51bilarhso what's not working then?
15:32.09cityLightssI can't log on to the share using a windows login
15:32.19bilarhah
15:32.26bilarhyou joined the domain OK?
15:32.29antiphaseThe obvious solution is not to use Windoze
15:32.32bilarhwith the samba server, i mean
15:32.47bilarhwell, actually, the obvious solution IMO is to use windows to serve windows files, but i digress :)
15:35.01bilarhffs :)
15:35.06bilarhsome people
15:36.03antiphaseEpic n00b spongers
15:36.22DiscordianUKlol
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15:38.33cityLightsssorry this was a windows crash
15:38.37cityLightsswhat did I miss?
15:38.40bilarh:D
15:38.45bilarhnot a lot really :)
15:38.53bilarhyeah so you joined the domain ok in samba?
15:39.05cityLightssyes I did
15:39.34bilarhok and you have winbind running?
15:39.49cityLightssyes
15:39.50bilarhiirc it wasn't started by the normal /etc/init.d/smbd script
15:39.51bilarhok
15:41.13bilarhhrm, do the logs contain anything obvious?
15:41.45cityLightssnot when I looked
15:41.53cityLightssbut I am now tring to see it again
15:41.56bilarhdid you enable debugging?
15:41.58cityLightsshold on
15:42.00bilarhas in crank the log level up a bit
15:42.00cityLightssyes
15:43.12bilarhso when you browse to the server from your windows machine, does it show you the shares immediately?
15:43.24cityLightssmin
15:43.32bilarhas in, can you see a list of shares, or does it ask you for your username/password immediately?
15:43.48morsingcityLightss!
15:44.53morsingcityLightss!
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15:45.08bilarhmorsing: for crying out load, sort your greeting script out
15:45.19morsingkraptv!
15:47.38cityLightssoh,,, now I got a test user to see
15:48.59cityLightssok, its like this:
15:49.29cityLightsswhen I type in the url for the share I am greated with a user name and password window
15:49.43bilarhaha
15:49.45cityLightssbut when I put them - I am asked to enter it again
15:49.53bilarhthat's because they fail
15:49.58cityLightssso I am not authonticated
15:50.13bilarhthe fact that it's asking for username / password in my experience is down to the domain membership of the samba server
15:50.33bilarhhave you got a user who has the same username on both linux and windows?
15:50.42bilarhif so, can you connect with that?
15:51.33cityLightssI got a user with the same login on both - doesnt work
15:52.17Mohangrub password error, it fails always no matter how many times i rest it :(
15:52.25Mohanreset
15:52.50cityLightssll
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16:10.30bilarhcitylights: hmm, problem is that can mean anything
16:10.51bilarhwhat does your share definition look like?
16:13.15cityLightsssorry bilarh, but I am off this for now
16:13.18cityLightssthanks
16:13.23bilarhno probs
16:51.01inDj_InstcThi all - can you pay monthly for business hosting with ukfsn?
16:51.18inDj_InstcTI see DD on the info page :)
16:51.37wethrinsuggests jason@ukfsn.org would be the correct person to ask
16:51.39antiphaseAs an ISP, I suspect they have an "email address"
16:59.33inDj_InstcTthx - will email them - was on phone recommending them and they asked and I wasn't 100% :)
16:59.57inDj_InstcTtold them will get back to them
17:00.32DiscordianUKlols at the mentiion of Jason
17:01.00DiscordianUKI still have a Definite Linux shoulder bag somewhere
17:01.06DiscordianUKs/ii/i/
17:03.56cityLightssbilarh: I think it works....!
17:20.01morsingantiphase: What's for tea?
17:24.50antiphaseYour momma's beef curtains
17:49.57kjsHumm might have to swap ISP's need a decent low latency ISP (for gaming and VoIP), with decent download caps, I hear good things about aaisp but their download limites are a joke.  
17:50.01kjs1GB
17:55.45wethrinOnly during office horus
17:55.46wethrin*hours
17:55.50wethrinAnd that's the cheapest option
17:55.58wethrinThey'll give you more bandwidth if you pay for it
17:59.09kjsyeah up to 8gb...
17:59.58wethrinDo you play games during office hours?
18:00.05kjswethrin: does not tell me what upload or download speeds i have either?
18:00.17wethrinIt's ADSL Max. So up to 8Mbit
18:00.29kjswethrin: no but i download linux iso's services packs use voip and email.
18:00.37kjs832kb upload?
18:00.44wethrinEmail isn't large bandwidth
18:00.54wethrinCan you not download theISOs at night?
18:01.19kjsfor the most part id imagen I can
18:01.37kjsyum updates for fedora are quite large i guess i can do it all after 6pm.
18:02.44kjswethrin: i presume you use them?
18:02.48wethrinI do
18:02.56kjsgood service?
18:03.24wethrinI have no complaints
18:03.43wethrinInitially, the modem they gave me was rubbish and kept reconnecting, but that settled down
18:04.21kjswethrin: any idea what upload speed pro is
18:04.44kjsout of interest what tarrif are you on?
18:07.13wethrinI'm on the 1GB/month
18:07.21wethrinI don't know what the upload speed is
18:10.00kjsah'k
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