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| 07:02.39 | morsing | an0key! |
| 07:07.18 | morsing | Anyone here know DPD, the parcel company? |
| 07:52.00 | j0nr | morning all |
| 07:52.26 | j0nr | antiphase: oo thats looks over my head by about a parsec! |
| 07:53.59 | morsing | j0nr! |
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| 08:08.01 | morsing | ChoHag! |
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| 08:15.11 | morsing | mindbendr! |
| 08:16.31 | morsing | *yawn* |
| 08:24.04 | morsing | mindbendr: Have you heard the good news? |
| 09:04.09 | bilarh | morning |
| 09:04.25 | kjs | I see rhel 5.3 was released yesterday |
| 09:05.12 | mindbendr | morning |
| 09:05.18 | mindbendr | morsing: what is it |
| 09:05.36 | morsing | mindbendr: George is moving to Canada :) |
| 09:05.40 | morsing | bilarh! |
| 09:05.42 | mindbendr | who's george |
| 09:05.42 | morsing | kjs! |
| 09:05.48 | morsing | OMG *sigh* |
| 09:05.53 | morsing | ibot goerge |
| 09:06.06 | morsing | ibot george |
| 09:06.07 | ibot | somebody said george was gwright@kde.org and a KDE devel |
| 09:06.07 | morsing | ibot gw280 |
| 09:06.08 | ibot | well, gw280 is george |
| 09:06.21 | mindbendr | see even it doesn't know |
| 09:06.31 | morsing | George is a twat |
| 09:06.43 | Mohan | Morning All! |
| 09:06.46 | morsing | Mohan! |
| 09:06.51 | mindbendr | so why is moving |
| 09:06.54 | mindbendr | why is he moving |
| 09:07.04 | morsing | mindbendr: We bullied him to leave |
| 09:07.09 | morsing | He took the hint, finally |
| 09:07.22 | mindbendr | why did you do that |
| 09:07.42 | morsing | He's an idiot |
| 09:09.33 | mindbendr | is he moving from UK to CA |
| 09:09.37 | morsing | Yes |
| 09:09.44 | mindbendr | CA is colder I suppose |
| 09:09.48 | mindbendr | not a wise choice |
| 09:09.49 | morsing | Bye, bye, George! |
| 09:10.50 | mindbendr | strangely, XFS doesn't have a reserved space for root and it can get full even when there's 150 GB left on it |
| 09:11.17 | mindbendr | besides I don't like KDE |
| 09:11.23 | mindbendr | so he can safely move |
| 09:16.25 | mindbendr | kjs: not good news then, now we have to upgrade our servers to 5.3? |
| 09:30.13 | kjs | true |
| 09:30.30 | kjs | more work = more money |
| 09:32.45 | Mohan | morsing! |
| 09:33.10 | morsing | Mohan! |
| 09:34.06 | bilarh | oh man, pound getting closer to euro parity every day :( |
| 09:34.18 | bilarh | just transferred some money and got a 1.05 exchange rate :( |
| 09:35.18 | morsing | Oh man, beer getting closer to my mouth every day |
| 09:58.38 | mindbendr | bilarh: would you expect it to raise back? |
| 09:58.44 | bilarh | i don't know |
| 09:58.49 | bilarh | i think we're essentially fucked :) |
| 09:58.51 | mindbendr | what does the news say |
| 09:58.53 | bilarh | enjoy :D |
| 09:59.06 | bilarh | never mind about the news, they're all government lackeys anyway |
| 09:59.31 | mindbendr | I've read that the politics mumbling about considering to use euro afterall |
| 09:59.54 | bilarh | the euro zone will never let us in |
| 10:00.09 | bilarh | not with a 7-8% budget deficit and massive government debt |
| 10:00.13 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 10:00.23 | bilarh | we're in worse shape than many of the eastern european countries |
| 10:00.29 | mindbendr | i thought it's the UK doesn't wanna get in |
| 10:00.52 | bilarh | i think more like there's no chance in hell that we will :) |
| 10:01.03 | mindbendr | well either you have no idea about the eastern european countries or you are joking :D |
| 10:01.31 | bilarh | and with gordon brown, alistair darling and mervyn king firing up the printing presses, the pound will sink and sink and sink zimbabwe style (well maybe not zim style, but you get my point) |
| 10:01.41 | mindbendr | lol |
| 10:01.52 | bilarh | i'm talking about size of budget deficits and government debt |
| 10:01.54 | mindbendr | obama will save all us |
| 10:02.04 | mindbendr | us all |
| 10:02.05 | bilarh | not "wealth" or living standards as such |
| 10:02.14 | bilarh | no, he's too late to the party |
| 10:02.25 | bilarh | gordon brown already announced that he saved the world a couple of weeks back |
| 10:02.29 | mindbendr | lol |
| 10:02.34 | mindbendr | what did he say |
| 10:02.34 | wethrin | The Euro went up to 1.10 a few days ago, from a low of 1.02 |
| 10:02.49 | bilarh | wethrin: and now it's down to 1.06 again |
| 10:02.52 | wethrin | Bah |
| 10:02.54 | bilarh | the dollar's finally under 1.40 |
| 10:03.03 | wethrin | Fosdem's going to be expensive :( |
| 10:03.06 | bilarh | or the other way around :) |
| 10:03.17 | mindbendr | now we can see who has got money & investments |
| 10:03.17 | wethrin | Other way round? |
| 10:03.23 | bilarh | i just transferred money, as i said, and i get a much better rate than at the public forex places |
| 10:03.26 | bilarh | and i only got a 1.05 rate |
| 10:03.30 | wethrin | Yeah, but Fosdem's in Belgium |
| 10:03.37 | wethrin | So it makes no difference to the Euro-folk |
| 10:04.45 | bilarh | the UK shoudl have joined the euro when they still could |
| 10:04.51 | bilarh | now there's no chance |
| 10:04.59 | bilarh | then again, the euro countries aren't doing great either |
| 10:05.34 | wethrin | Euro's at 1.07 at the moment |
| 10:05.52 | wethrin | I suppose it serves us right for laughing as the USD over the summer |
| 10:07.15 | mindbendr | I think sterling will go up at some point |
| 10:07.32 | wethrin | Oh yes |
| 10:08.23 | mindbendr | my main concern is how low are the sysadmin salaries nowadays |
| 10:08.29 | mindbendr | it's madness |
| 10:08.37 | bilarh | too many unemployed sysadmins :) |
| 10:08.49 | wethrin | Yes. Also too many employed rubbish ones |
| 10:08.49 | bilarh | Supply and Demand 101 :) |
| 10:08.50 | mindbendr | I hope it goes back up to 50K range |
| 10:09.21 | bilarh | i wish i had some other skills as well, to be honest |
| 10:09.27 | bilarh | i could probably do car mechanics |
| 10:09.27 | mindbendr | bilarh: like what |
| 10:09.38 | wethrin | Do plumbing! |
| 10:09.41 | wethrin | We need more plumbers |
| 10:09.47 | wethrin | And other skilled tradesmen |
| 10:09.49 | mindbendr | bilarh: I've got other skills but I just left those skills just because sysadmin pays better |
| 10:10.11 | bilarh | well i mean, i could do programming or sysadmining etc |
| 10:10.16 | bilarh | but it's all it |
| 10:10.27 | mindbendr | I do 3d animation but it's too stresfull |
| 10:10.43 | mindbendr | and sysadmin jobs pay better by any chance, if you are not a star |
| 10:11.21 | bilarh | but for how long? |
| 10:11.33 | bilarh | it has had it's stupid salary time imo |
| 10:11.38 | mindbendr | but If I were to earn 35-40K along your life, what's the point really? |
| 10:11.39 | bilarh | it will still be a profession |
| 10:11.55 | mindbendr | *along my life |
| 10:11.57 | bilarh | 35-40k is still more than 90% of the population, you know :) |
| 10:12.02 | bilarh | not to be sniffed at, really |
| 10:12.02 | mindbendr | I don't care |
| 10:12.10 | mindbendr | there is the other %10 |
| 10:12.25 | mindbendr | I don't wanna spend 20 years to own a house |
| 10:12.41 | bilarh | honestly, as i get older (at the ripe old age of 29 now), i'm realising more and more that it's not about the size of your paypacket |
| 10:13.00 | bilarh | when i was earning lots more money than i am now, i was *really* miserable because the job sucked donkey balls |
| 10:13.04 | mindbendr | shoulda watch more fightclub |
| 10:13.13 | bilarh | had to work all the time + overtime + late night work + weekend work |
| 10:13.40 | mindbendr | you should have moved to hawai when you had the chance then |
| 10:13.46 | mindbendr | or miami |
| 10:14.08 | bilarh | yeah america is exactly the place to be if you don't want to buy into all materialism :D |
| 10:15.07 | mindbendr | well america is a big place and afterall you don't need to involve in to the culture |
| 10:15.45 | bilarh | hrm... doesn't sound like something for me to be honest |
| 10:15.51 | mindbendr | the only place that you could earn good money and have some sunshine, that would be it i think |
| 10:15.52 | bilarh | not for the long term anyway |
| 10:15.57 | AndyMillar | 35-40k still isn't a lot though :( |
| 10:16.19 | bilarh | i'd move to houston to work for a couple of years if my company offered a transfer, but i doubt i'd go there "forever" |
| 10:16.20 | mindbendr | if you spend 5 years on sysadmin, it ain't gonna up to 60K for sure |
| 10:16.45 | bilarh | mindbendr: what would you classify as a good salary then? |
| 10:16.46 | mindbendr | after the tax, they look all the same to me anyway |
| 10:16.50 | bilarh | what would you be happy to work for? |
| 10:17.23 | mindbendr | bilarh: If I would 1/3 of my monthly salary for the rent, in my junior life I'd say I'm doing good |
| 10:17.38 | mindbendr | bilarh: but that's what I was doing approx 6-7 years ago |
| 10:17.53 | AndyMillar | mindbendr: 1/3 of salary before or after tax? |
| 10:18.03 | mindbendr | bilarh: now i don't earn that much and it doesn't look to go better for the next 3 years |
| 10:18.07 | mindbendr | AndyMillar: after |
| 10:19.25 | AndyMillar | bilarh: surely by the ripe old age of 29, you've made all your money so don't have to care what you get paid? ;) |
| 10:19.25 | mindbendr | AndyMillar: If I were to pay 1000£/montly to the rent, when I'd expect to earn 45K annum to have that ratio |
| 10:19.40 | AndyMillar | mindbendr: then you're talking before tax |
| 10:19.42 | AndyMillar | no |
| 10:19.45 | mindbendr | AndyMillar: after tax |
| 10:19.46 | AndyMillar | yes |
| 10:20.13 | mindbendr | when I was earning around 48K, I had got around 3K per month |
| 10:20.23 | mindbendr | after the tax |
| 10:20.25 | AndyMillar | tax has gone up now ;) |
| 10:20.36 | bilarh | andymillaR: yeah just about retired now :D |
| 10:20.51 | mindbendr | that's true but if you earn more than 35K, that went up, otherwise it's the same i suppose |
| 10:21.01 | mindbendr | and the difference must be %2 |
| 10:21.55 | mindbendr | the best thing to do is, doing what morsing does, do some contract and put even the toilet paper in your expenses |
| 10:22.37 | bilarh | mindbendr: that's the best thing until you lose your contract and can't find another one for six months and then you miss mortgage payments and get repo'd |
| 10:23.02 | mindbendr | bilarh: in the first place, you shouldn't engage into the mortgage |
| 10:23.28 | mindbendr | bilarh: secondly, if you are good enough to get contract jobs with decent salaries, i think it would be easier to find new contracts |
| 10:23.35 | bilarh | submit rent for "mortgage payment" and "repo'd" for "evicted" :P |
| 10:23.52 | bilarh | tell that to all the contractors in the city who are out of work :) |
| 10:24.17 | mindbendr | i don't understand really, it must be the best time for the contractors |
| 10:24.22 | bilarh | if there's only a small number of contracts available, but lots of contractors then a) some will be out of work, and b) it will drive down the day rate |
| 10:24.54 | mindbendr | the companies fire people and if they'd need someone, they would go for short contracts |
| 10:24.55 | bilarh | and also, the market isn't so effective that "the best man for the contract" gets the contract |
| 10:25.20 | mindbendr | bilarh: I agree about that, the agencies are evil |
| 10:25.41 | bilarh | not just that |
| 10:26.00 | bilarh | not every company will interview every contractor |
| 10:26.09 | bilarh | they only interview until they find someone who is "good enough" |
| 10:26.21 | mindbendr | you should see the guys working here then |
| 10:26.34 | mindbendr | `yum install` is what all they know |
| 10:26.35 | bilarh | s/is/appear/ |
| 10:27.07 | bilarh | i think the problem is often management as well |
| 10:27.10 | mindbendr | in the mid size companies, the managers are rubbish so they don't know how to interview or what to ask to measure eligilibity |
| 10:27.24 | bilarh | i mean take your typical manager, how are they going to actually know if someone knows something or not? |
| 10:27.36 | mindbendr | he doesn't |
| 10:27.45 | bilarh | so they go for the person that supports the same football team |
| 10:27.51 | bilarh | i've seen this happen, for real, btw :D |
| 10:27.57 | mindbendr | that's why he hired the other sysadmin and hired me as a contractor later on to clean up his mess |
| 10:28.51 | mindbendr | strangely enough, UK companies don't fire the people who do rubbish job |
| 10:29.14 | ChoHag | s/UK// |
| 10:29.31 | mindbendr | I've seen it twice, the team leader explained me the situation that they have to go through loads of procuders so they don't bother |
| 10:29.52 | mindbendr | *procedures |
| 10:31.38 | bilarh | chohag: :D |
| 10:38.28 | ChoHag | Assuming you can do so without invoking the Wrath of Steve, how much horsepower does a regular PC need to comfortably run osx? |
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| 11:00.43 | wethrin | wonders if z00dax is around |
| 11:14.43 | morsing | xteddy! |
| 11:14.47 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 11:29.24 | z00dax | wethrin: hi |
| 11:29.41 | wethrin | z00dax: Aha. Are you able to change my password on the Gllug web site? |
| 11:29.48 | wethrin | I appear to have forgotten it |
| 11:30.01 | z00dax | not sure, I can look though |
| 11:30.06 | wethrin | Thanks |
| 11:33.33 | wethrin | disappears for a bit - could you /msg me a replacement password, if you manage to reset it? |
| 11:35.29 | morsing | Beer |
| 11:35.32 | antiphase | letme1n |
| 11:41.42 | ChoHag | We had an audit recently (regulated by the FSA) and the auditors noticed that our passwords don't expire every month but not that dev and test have access to live data. |
| 11:42.24 | ChoHag | In dev's case, write access. |
| 11:52.00 | bilarh | wohoo, my exhaust bits delivered to the office to much merryment of all my colleagues when the internal post came around with them :D |
| 12:18.51 | mindbendr | If I have a routing issue like this, is there any work around |
| 12:18.51 | mindbendr | ip1 (starting point) > ip3 > ip4 |
| 12:18.52 | mindbendr | ip4 (replies)> ip3 > ip2 (firewall) > ip1 |
| 12:19.14 | mindbendr | the firewall drops the packets because it's not initiated through the firewall |
| 12:19.26 | mindbendr | icmp works, tcp doesn't obviously |
| 12:23.48 | ChoHag | Yes. |
| 12:23.52 | ChoHag | Don't go back through ip2. |
| 12:24.00 | mindbendr | I have to |
| 12:24.14 | mindbendr | it does the routing for 2 different lines |
| 12:28.05 | ChoHag | Sorry. |
| 12:31.29 | morsing | Beer |
| 12:33.11 | antiphase | mindbendr: Have you considered configuring your firewall to permit the relevant packets? |
| 12:43.47 | Mohan | if dmesg shows ata1.00: cmd b0/da:00:00:4f:c2/00:00:00:00:00/00 tag 0 cdb 0x0 data 0 (device error) |
| 12:44.07 | Mohan | is it hard disk fault ? or is it normal to have it ? |
| 12:44.18 | antiphase | Depends what else it says |
| 12:44.42 | antiphase | and if it's still working |
| 12:46.59 | Mohan | http://pastebin.centos.org/23459 |
| 12:47.39 | morsing | Cheese |
| 12:47.47 | Mohan | it doesnt want to come up when rebooted, |
| 12:48.05 | Mohan | looks like it has a problem with harddisk. just wanted to confirm |
| 12:48.58 | Mohan | morsing: Is it normal to have such messages ? |
| 12:49.43 | morsing | Mohan: It is |
| 12:49.51 | morsing | If your disk is broken, I mean |
| 12:50.02 | morsing | Mohan: Which kernel? ATA was broken in some |
| 12:50.13 | mindbendr | antiphase: it didn't matter, it blocks anything that's not initiated through the firewall, I've added a route back to the firewall from outside now it looks like working |
| 12:50.48 | mindbendr | antiphase: so anything that wants to access ip1 has to go through the firewall |
| 12:50.57 | Mohan | centos 5 2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 |
| 12:51.14 | antiphase | UDMA/133? must be ancient |
| 12:51.48 | morsing | Ancient?! How so??? |
| 12:51.51 | Mohan | the machine is remotely hosted, dont know what hardware it is exactly. |
| 12:52.49 | wethrin | Isn't UDMA/133 the current ATA standard? (Which, admittedly, is being phased out in favour of SATA) |
| 12:53.27 | morsing | wethrin!!! WOOO!! You're back :D *kisskisskiss* |
| 12:53.55 | antiphase | I don't believe there was ever a higher speed one. I haven't seen anything with PATA in it apart from old PCs for years though |
| 12:54.11 | antiphase | Maybe I only work with decent equipment :P |
| 12:54.12 | morsing | And how is "years" ancient?! |
| 12:54.21 | wethrin | You can still get hard disks of large capacities in PATA forms |
| 12:54.28 | antiphase | It's a fairly common expression |
| 12:54.33 | morsing | I don't have any machines with SATA |
| 12:54.36 | wethrin | morsing: It is, in terms of PCs |
| 12:54.42 | wethrin | Not in terms of mainframes, maybe |
| 12:54.44 | morsing | wethrin: It's not |
| 12:54.47 | wethrin | It is |
| 12:54.58 | wethrin | A 5-year-old PC is generally considered scrappable |
| 12:55.04 | morsing | 10+ years is getting old but still not ancient |
| 12:55.22 | antiphase | AIX only runs on dinosaurs |
| 12:55.27 | morsing | Well, my main PC is 12 years old and does the job just fine |
| 12:55.27 | wethrin | It is, for desktop PCs |
| 12:55.39 | morsing | antiphase: Idiot |
| 12:55.57 | wethrin | Sure, an a Ford Model T will still get you from A to B (if it's been looked after) |
| 12:56.12 | wethrin | Doesn't mean the car's not vintage |
| 12:56.18 | z00dax | wethrin: -> |
| 12:56.25 | z00dax | try that |
| 12:57.47 | wethrin | cheers |
| 12:57.55 | morsing | Beer |
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| 13:55.35 | mindbendr | Mohan: running SMART might help |
| 14:04.37 | bilarh | dicky |
| 14:05.29 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Ello fart face |
| 14:07.23 | bilarh | how's things? |
| 14:13.25 | dick_turpin | Very very quiet (Scary) Just had a City Link driver in crying they are making 25 drivers per depot redundent |
| 14:13.44 | bilarh | wow, that sucks :( |
| 14:13.49 | bilarh | per depot!! |
| 14:14.23 | dick_turpin | Thing is I don't get it, he has 90 drops and 25 pickups today sometimes they have more |
| 14:14.38 | bilarh | maybe they think the number will fall soon |
| 14:14.55 | dick_turpin | They cant manage that lot so how are they gonna cope with 25 less drivers? |
| 14:15.06 | ChoHag | #Debian is amazing. |
| 14:15.18 | ChoHag | Conversation is constant but it never seems to start. |
| 14:15.34 | bilarh | dick_turpin: how many drivers per depot roughly? |
| 14:16.18 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Dunno but I'd say a fair few, hundred odd maybe? |
| 14:17.47 | mindbendr | ChoHag: what do they prentend to talk about? |
| 14:17.58 | dick_turpin | I wonder how many companies are shedding staff using the credit crunch as an excuse who will after a couple of weeks regret what they thought was a clever idea |
| 14:18.34 | bilarh | hmm, dunno |
| 14:18.40 | bilarh | everything seems to be free-falling at the moment |
| 14:19.04 | bilarh | uk mortgage figures the worst for december worst since 2001 |
| 14:19.16 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I'm bothered got my famous 10 laptop deal, hope to close it this week |
| 14:19.31 | dick_turpin | Im not bothered |
| 14:19.34 | bilarh | do you get performance related pay? |
| 14:19.45 | bilarh | as in bonus for sales |
| 14:19.53 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Yeah, I get paid at the end of the month |
| 14:20.11 | bilarh | i could never be a salesman i think |
| 14:20.16 | bilarh | too much uncertainty |
| 14:21.37 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Ah I'm on a wage, no commission ect, just the odd perk. However that means I cant be targeted |
| 14:21.51 | bilarh | ah :D |
| 14:22.42 | dick_turpin | Some employers might try to target you but thats when you say "OK in that case I expect commision" watch em back peddle like mad |
| 14:23.25 | ChoHag | mindbendr: Usually noob problems. |
| 14:25.05 | bilarh | great |
| 14:25.13 | bilarh | i've been tasked with "cleaning up the filesystem" |
| 14:25.16 | bilarh | from all our old legacy crap |
| 14:25.24 | bilarh | there's tons of the stuff, everything we have is legacy |
| 14:25.43 | ChoHag | rm /dev/management |
| 14:25.47 | bilarh | since we moved to new storage, we have links from the old mount points into the new storage and it's a complete mess |
| 14:25.52 | bilarh | well, no, i agree it has to be done |
| 14:25.55 | bilarh | it's just painful |
| 14:26.20 | ChoHag | I mean the management are legacy. |
| 14:26.23 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Hm you wait, some knob in e few weeks time will say "I cant find the quote dated 1882" |
| 14:26.38 | bilarh | hehe :D x 2 |
| 14:27.44 | ChoHag | Is there a normal way to tell sh/bash to execute the script at stdin other than sh <(...) or sh /dev/stdin |
| 14:28.19 | ChoHag | stuff | sh is insufficient as I need to pass an [optional] argument to the script. |
| 14:29.03 | dick_turpin | bilarh: You laugh, every year I archive the previous years quotes, they are in a folder (Wait for it) Quotes 2007 (etc) I get "Pete where's the quotes from two years ago?" What? are you f'cking blind? or just stupid? |
| 14:29.07 | antiphase | Use an environment variable then |
| 14:30.09 | ChoHag | hmm |
| 14:31.50 | ChoHag | In other only vaguely related news, is there any sort of best practice to automatically managing files in /etc/apt? |
| 14:32.13 | antiphase | Use a config management system like puppet or cfengine |
| 14:32.30 | ChoHag | That seems like overkill surely? |
| 14:33.31 | antiphase | Depends how many machines you have |
| 14:33.42 | ChoHag | Few at the moment. |
| 14:33.46 | morsing | Beer |
| 14:33.53 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 14:37.57 | mindbendr | *tip of the day, use inodes64 option to mount for the XFS filesystems that allocates ~20TB |
| 14:38.33 | dick_turpin | morsing: :-) |
| 14:40.24 | mindbendr | what does /etc/apt do? |
| 14:45.42 | ChoHag | Nothing. |
| 14:45.48 | ChoHag | The configuration options for apt are stored there. |
| 14:48.23 | mindbendr | ChoHag: are you married |
| 14:50.31 | ChoHag | Yes. |
| 14:51.47 | mindbendr | hope you don't try to automise everything in your life, such as little apt documents, your wife etc :D |
| 14:59.40 | ChoHag | What happens of you enable VLANs on a NIC attached to an unmanaged switch? |
| 15:10.02 | mindbendr | it would get screwed up i think |
| 15:10.06 | mindbendr | if it uses the same subnets |
| 15:12.51 | ChoHag | Why would you have two VLANs with the same subnet? |
| 15:14.17 | mindbendr | I thought they are separated |
| 15:14.29 | mindbendr | that you would connecting with an unmanaged switch for fun |
| 15:14.33 | mindbendr | *connect |
| 15:14.37 | mindbendr | uh i need to sleep |
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| 15:44.57 | mindbendr | morsing! |
| 15:51.40 | ChoHag | Oh bollocks. |
| 15:51.47 | ChoHag | I forgot my gpg passphrase. |
| 15:52.27 | AndyMillar | that's pretty bollocks :( |
| 15:57.39 | ChoHag | It's not so bad. Only 1.43081e+84 or so possibilities. |
| 15:59.10 | ChoHag | sighs and goes home. |
| 16:14.27 | mindbendr | gpg for email? |
| 17:59.14 | morsing | Beer |
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| 18:39.05 | morsing | catalyst! |
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| 19:33.32 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 19:49.51 | morsing | Beer |
| 20:02.49 | morsing | Beer |
| 20:57.37 | an0key | Evening |
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| 22:00.58 | AndyMillar | kjs: about? |
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