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| 05:35.42 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 05:35.56 | morsing | Leeds: How do I get a pound sign in pssh? |
| 06:02.18 | morsing | Beer |
| 06:09.46 | an0key | Breakfast |
| 06:09.58 | an0key | hmhmhm what will be open, in central london right now |
| 06:12.01 | morsing | Sossidges? |
| 06:12.09 | morsing | an0key: 8-12? |
| 06:12.55 | an0key | morsing: huh? |
| 06:13.15 | morsing | ? |
| 06:13.25 | morsing | You don't have any 8-12s around? |
| 06:13.38 | an0key | Never heard of it |
| 06:13.43 | morsing | mm... |
| 06:13.45 | morsing | hmm |
| 06:14.08 | z00dax | beer! |
| 06:14.15 | z00dax | its almost midday here :) |
| 06:14.22 | morsing | Cawfy |
| 06:14.25 | an0key | z00dax: where are you? |
| 06:14.35 | an0key | morsing: no milk... remember :( |
| 06:14.48 | morsing | an0key: They have milk at 5-19 |
| 06:15.34 | z00dax | an0key: India, since the lsat 16 hrs or so |
| 06:15.43 | z00dax | heads off for lunch |
| 06:16.14 | morsing | z00dax: ?? I thought you were always there? |
| 06:16.49 | z00dax | morsing: I'd like to be |
| 06:17.56 | morsing | ... |
| 06:17.57 | morsing | z00dax: ?? I thought you were always there? |
| 07:06.40 | morsing | Cawfy |
| 07:07.40 | morsing | z00dax: Check it! |
| 07:09.29 | morsing | an0key: Where's z00dax? |
| 07:11.12 | morsing | Palle alene i verden... |
| 07:14.00 | an0key | z00dax: hopefully getting me some milk |
| 07:15.33 | morsing | an0key: What are you doing? |
| 07:17.54 | an0key | morsing: working |
| 07:20.49 | morsing | "Working"? |
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| 07:23.07 | morsing | j0nr_! |
| 07:23.20 | morsing | j0nr_: What's an0key working on? |
| 07:26.46 | morsing | Leeds: where did j0nr_ go? |
| 07:28.35 | an0key | morsing: playing with mediawiki at this present time |
| 07:45.34 | morsing | an0key: How's your cawfy? |
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| 07:49.01 | morsing | j0nr_! |
| 07:53.22 | morsing | an0key: Where's Marina? |
| 07:56.38 | morsing | Mohan: I'm bored... |
| 08:08.06 | morsing | I need sleep... |
| 08:21.13 | morsing | Hello? |
| 09:30.11 | an0key | morsing: back, no cawfy yet, but did go gym on route home :) |
| 09:32.44 | morsing | :) |
| 09:33.06 | an0key | although was an epic fail, forgot headphones... |
| 09:33.10 | morsing | erm... |
| 09:33.58 | an0key | did you find marina? |
| 09:39.17 | morsing | No - in fact, just texted her but she hasn't responded. Texted her a goodnight last night that she never responded to. I'm getting paranoid :( |
| 09:43.44 | an0key | Just chill, gotta play more mean |
| 09:44.18 | morsing | I know - I should really start beating her |
| 09:44.24 | morsing | Women like that |
| 09:45.06 | an0key | They do |
| 09:51.13 | morsing | Still no response |
| 09:56.33 | morsing | hugs an0key :( |
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| 10:01.26 | morsing | boudiccas! |
| 10:03.53 | an0key | being hugged by morsing |
| 10:04.05 | an0key | morsing: I warn you, still smelly from the gym |
| 10:24.16 | morsing | *sigh* :( |
| 10:40.47 | an0key | straw pole, what do peeps use as their linux desktop os of choice |
| 10:41.10 | boudiccas | kde |
| 10:41.18 | boudiccas | centos |
| 10:41.39 | an0key | boudiccas: why centos over fedora, for a desktop? |
| 10:44.26 | boudiccas | i dont like the constant updates and the rapid release cycle, so i go for an enterprise solution |
| 10:44.50 | an0key | boudiccas: fair enough :) |
| 10:55.52 | morsing | an0key: Just phoned her |
| 10:56.17 | morsing | Woke her up! Very sleepy, barely spoke a word |
| 10:56.27 | morsing | She's on her way |
| 10:58.08 | morsing | boudiccas: Where's an0key? |
| 10:59.00 | jpds | an0key: Ubuntu. |
| 11:00.16 | morsing | jpds: Where's an0key? |
| 11:02.16 | an0key | I am here, was making cawfy |
| 11:02.27 | an0key | whoop morning loving for morsing! |
| 11:02.35 | morsing | an0key: :) |
| 11:02.53 | morsing | bites boudiccas' nose gently |
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| 11:38.19 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 11:47.03 | an0key | something you said :p |
| 11:47.11 | morsing | Probably... |
| 11:47.21 | an0key | lol |
| 11:47.31 | an0key | I dont get why people love bitlbee, I find it crude |
| 11:47.38 | morsing | It's great |
| 11:48.03 | morsing | Except it can't understand people setting their MSN to "Show as offline" |
| 11:49.17 | cpufreak | did you figure out how to type £ yet? |
| 11:49.39 | morsing | Nope |
| 11:50.00 | antiphase | £ |
| 11:50.34 | morsing | No idea what wethrin wason about with digraph either |
| 11:51.54 | morsing | antiphase: I can actually switch to full keyboard and that has £ but it's very annoying to do |
| 11:52.17 | antiphase | I only have £ because I mapped it specifically |
| 11:52.27 | morsing | How did you do that? |
| 11:52.28 | wethrin | morsing: ^A-v in screen |
| 11:52.33 | antiphase | xmodmap |
| 11:52.36 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 11:52.37 | wethrin | It then asks you to enter a digraph |
| 11:53.02 | morsing | wethrin: And then? |
| 11:53.13 | wethrin | 'Pd' will enter a pound sign |
| 11:53.27 | wethrin | You can do accented characters there, too |
| 11:53.35 | morsing | Pd |
| 11:53.38 | wethrin | If you run vim, and type in ':digraph', it'll show you a list |
| 11:53.40 | morsing | Nope - just types Pd |
| 11:53.43 | wethrin | Ah,sorry |
| 11:53.45 | wethrin | ^A-^V |
| 11:53.50 | morsing | £ |
| 11:53.52 | morsing | :) |
| 11:53.53 | wethrin | ^A-v just shows the version |
| 11:53.57 | morsing | wethrin: *kiss* |
| 11:54.02 | morsing | wethrin: I love you :) |
| 11:55.18 | wethrin | an0key: Bitlbee is well-liked because it allows IRC and IM conversations to take place in the same client |
| 11:55.51 | morsing | It's just annoying it can't do file transfers or stuff |
| 11:56.14 | wethrin | Yes, well, you can't have everything |
| 11:56.18 | wethrin | Or you could program it yourself :) |
| 11:56.28 | morsing | wethrin: Would be easy to do, surely? |
| 11:56.30 | an0key | wethrin: few of the chaps @ work rave about it... I think I'll stick to finch :P |
| 11:56.39 | morsing | finch-- |
| 11:56.40 | wethrin | morsing: Would it? |
| 11:56.44 | morsing | Yes |
| 11:57.10 | wethrin | Do it, then :) |
| 11:57.19 | morsing | It gets the message, can see what the file name and everything is, surely a small step to actually accept the transfer?! |
| 11:57.28 | morsing | I'm not a programmer |
| 11:57.41 | wethrin | Harr. You then need to do various protocol fiddling |
| 11:57.41 | morsing | But I've programmed worse stuff than that still... |
| 11:57.59 | wethrin | You'd have to somehow convert the MSN file transfer protocol to DCC |
| 11:58.09 | wethrin | And, well, DCC is direct client to client |
| 11:58.10 | morsing | wethrin: If they can put in 11 different chat software protocaols, surely... Well, I'm repeating myself |
| 11:58.21 | wethrin | It'll be harder than you think. Seriously. |
| 11:58.40 | antiphase | Not much use to me either as I run bitlbee on a remote machine |
| 11:58.59 | wethrin | Well, you can always then download the file to your own machine |
| 11:59.05 | morsing | People always send my files, direct photos, icons, winks etc... |
| 11:59.21 | morsing | Quite annoying |
| 11:59.37 | an0key | antiphase: me too, well finch on a remote machine |
| 11:59.41 | antiphase | TEll them to fuck off and upload it to a web or FTP server, and if they can't to get off the Internet |
| 11:59.51 | morsing | antiphase: Idiot |
| 12:00.18 | wethrin | Actually, asking them nicely does tend to work |
| 12:00.40 | morsing | wethrin: They don't understand why |
| 12:00.42 | wethrin | Normally, if people try and send me photos, I ask them to upload it somewhere else, and they do |
| 12:00.56 | wethrin | Sure they do. "My MSN doesn't do file transfers. Sorry" |
| 12:00.59 | morsing | They can't be bothered in my case, and wouldn't know how to |
| 12:01.18 | wethrin | introduce them to flickr |
| 12:01.21 | morsing | wethrin: Believe me, they don't. They'll go Why? Mine does? What's wrong with you? |
| 12:01.30 | morsing | They can't use flickr. |
| 12:01.40 | morsing | I actually chat to girls sometimes... |
| 12:01.52 | an0key | morsing: that's not allowed |
| 12:01.56 | morsing | an0key: Well... |
| 12:02.11 | wethrin | You clearly know different girls to what I do. |
| 12:02.18 | morsing | Clearly... |
| 12:02.44 | morsing | I have no doubt Jenny and Ann can use Flickr, the girls I chat to can't |
| 12:02.50 | wethrin | the ones I talk to don't have a problem uploading to flickr |
| 12:03.01 | wethrin | Given the popularity of it, it's obviously not hard... |
| 12:03.38 | cpufreak | flickr rocks |
| 12:04.03 | morsing | wethrin: I suspect they can't be bothered just for sending a quick photo if they haven't got an account |
| 12:04.12 | cpufreak | http://flickr.com/photos/itwasntandy/sets/72157612868296088/ |
| 12:04.22 | cpufreak | morsing: it takes <5mins to set it up |
| 12:04.42 | morsing | Makes no difference... |
| 12:04.50 | cpufreak | so its a one time thing to do |
| 12:05.05 | morsing | cpufreak: You should get a haircut |
| 12:05.14 | cpufreak | I don't need one, thanks |
| 12:05.28 | morsing | You look like a girl in those photos... |
| 12:05.28 | cpufreak | I aint no stinking hippie |
| 12:05.37 | cpufreak | morsing: I was taking the photos, flid. |
| 12:05.54 | morsing | WTF?! You took a photo of Euan?! |
| 12:06.05 | morsing | http://flickr.com/photos/itwasntandy/3217641693/in/set-72157612868296088/ |
| 12:06.11 | morsing | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3329/3217641693_b7ce2a67bd.jpg?v=0 |
| 12:06.27 | wethrin | accuses bacon of being tasty |
| 12:07.59 | morsing | Beer |
| 12:08.03 | an0key | wethrin: it is indeed, guilty, and all gobled up |
| 12:08.13 | morsing | Bacon... |
| 12:08.56 | Nafallo | http://bacolicio.us/http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3329/3217641693_b7ce2a67bd.jpg?v=0 |
| 12:09.07 | cpufreak | morsing: thats guillame, he's the drumers in my sister's band |
| 12:10.51 | morsing | He looks exactly like Euan |
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| 12:37.40 | morsing | jpds! |
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| 22:03.46 | AndyMillar | anyone here got a router they can run "sh ip bgp 209.190.85.1" on and get meaningful results? |
| 22:19.52 | hali | yes |
| 22:20.00 | hali | i can see it from three as |
| 22:20.13 | hali | http://pastebin.com/m21d4d1d7 |
| 22:20.43 | hali | actually it just finds my default-originate... never mind |
| 22:29.03 | hali | 209.190.0.0/17 is the best i can see, probably aggregated |
| 22:39.11 | cpufreak | Paths: (4 available, best #1) 10297 |
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| 23:03.14 | AndyMillar | hali: aye, that /17 is as it should be |
| 23:04.45 | AndyMillar | so it looks like it works :) |
| 23:09.42 | hali | thats a huge chunk of space you got there :) |
| 23:13.52 | AndyMillar | that's not me, but we have stuff PA in there |
| 23:14.10 | AndyMillar | mmh, what's the "smallest" cisco thing I can get to play with bgp on? |
| 23:14.24 | cpufreak | a 2500 |
| 23:14.43 | cpufreak | if you want a full table, then you need something with at least 512MB ram these days |
| 23:15.20 | AndyMillar | 2600 > 2500? |
| 23:15.24 | cpufreak | si |
| 23:15.35 | AndyMillar | ty |
| 23:15.35 | cpufreak | tbh though if you want to learn, quagga on linux is almost the same syntax |
| 23:16.27 | AndyMillar | is there anything stopping me putting more ram in a really old 2500/2600? |
| 23:16.54 | cpufreak | a 2500 wont take more than about 16MB |
| 23:17.25 | cpufreak | a 2621 wont take more than about 64MB, or 128MB maybe for some models. |
| 23:18.13 | AndyMillar | ah |
| 23:18.26 | AndyMillar | i can see that being a problem for taking routes :p |
| 23:19.04 | cpufreak | # Standard Memory: 16MB removable |
| 23:19.04 | cpufreak | # Slots: 2 (2 banks of 1) |
| 23:19.05 | cpufreak | # Maximum Memory: 64MB |
| 23:19.11 | cpufreak | for a 26xx |
| 23:19.21 | AndyMillar | though that would take a default route (and not much else) |
| 23:19.26 | cpufreak | no. |
| 23:19.29 | AndyMillar | no? |
| 23:19.51 | AndyMillar | am I being a muppet wrt. bgp? |
| 23:19.51 | cpufreak | you can still fill about 100K routes in 128MB |
| 23:19.59 | AndyMillar | ah |
| 23:20.09 | AndyMillar | the "not much else" bit was wrong \o/ |
| 23:20.37 | AndyMillar | so you'd get partial + default route on 128mb? |
| 23:20.52 | cpufreak | indeed |
| 23:21.15 | AndyMillar | throughput would probably be a little dire though |
| 23:21.34 | cpufreak | but a 2600 or whatever isn't going to be very useful as you could only push maybe 30-40Mbit/sec from a top level 2600XM |
| 23:22.03 | cpufreak | if you want something to play with, I've got 7206/NPE225 lying about spare in london with 128MB ram in it. |
| 23:22.42 | AndyMillar | that is strangely tempting :p |
| 23:22.59 | AndyMillar | mmh, a 2121 would probably do some decent throughput and takes 1gb |
| 23:23.04 | AndyMillar | 2821* |
| 23:23.25 | cpufreak | no its still a heap of shit |
| 23:23.48 | AndyMillar | mmh, it'd take the routes but throughput would still be bad? |
| 23:23.56 | cpufreak | yes |
| 23:24.14 | AndyMillar | needs to learn more about this whole networking stuff :p |
| 23:24.20 | cpufreak | serioulsy for anything less than an 7201/7301 out of cisco's current product line, you'd be better off with a PC router. |
| 23:24.47 | AndyMillar | mmh, they had some pdf of router throughputs somewhere |
| 23:25.27 | AndyMillar | 2821 is ~60mbit |
| 23:25.43 | hali | imix, you get more with large packets |
| 23:25.52 | AndyMillar | hmm, "process switching vs fast/cef switching" ? :/ |
| 23:26.30 | hali | you _MUST_ use cef to get anything near that speed |
| 23:26.32 | cpufreak | AndyMillar: process switching means the CPU handles it. |
| 23:26.34 | AndyMillar | cpufreak: ah, looks like once you hit the 7200+ ones, you actually get throughout worth writing home abou |
| 23:26.37 | hali | even a 7206 can only do 2mbit without cef |
| 23:26.39 | AndyMillar | about* |
| 23:26.46 | AndyMillar | what is cef? |
| 23:26.49 | cpufreak | fast/cef means its handled by asics |
| 23:26.52 | cpufreak | cisco express forwarding |
| 23:26.53 | hali | cisco express forwarding |
| 23:27.02 | AndyMillar | ah |
| 23:27.22 | AndyMillar | why wouldn't it always use cef if it's so much faster? |
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| 23:27.26 | hali | yes |
| 23:27.30 | cpufreak | because you can't always use CEF |
| 23:27.43 | hali | some features require process switching |
| 23:27.44 | cpufreak | depending on features |
| 23:27.47 | hali | weird qos and filters etc |
| 23:27.50 | AndyMillar | ah |
| 23:28.01 | AndyMillar | so "basic" bgp routing is fine with cef |
| 23:28.05 | cpufreak | oh no |
| 23:28.13 | kraptv | what did I do! |
| 23:28.25 | cpufreak | all proper routing will be trhough cef. |
| 23:28.33 | cpufreak | but for example DNS through NAT will hit cpu. |
| 23:28.37 | cpufreak | s/cpu/process/ |
| 23:28.48 | AndyMillar | ah |
| 23:29.22 | AndyMillar | so if all it has is 2-3 bgp peers (and just forwards packets)... it'll be fine with cef and perform decently |
| 23:31.20 | AndyMillar | mmh, apart from one or two exceptions... anything under the mid end 7200s won't hit 100M |
| 23:32.42 | cpufreak | tbh though I don't know why you;d want to get involved with handling your own routing if you're not pushing more than a few hundred meg/second |
| 23:32.59 | cpufreak | as it adds extra hassle and ballache for little perceivable benefit |
| 23:33.21 | AndyMillar | "for fun" :/ |
| 23:33.53 | cpufreak | fun should be confined to labs, and test environments |
| 23:33.58 | antiphase | If you have spare hardware sitting around, or some money burning a hole in your ass |
| 23:34.51 | AndyMillar | christ, 7200s are expensive |
| 23:35.19 | hali | with a decent sup yes |
| 23:35.24 | hali | and they are EOL'd |
| 23:35.28 | hali | 7600 is more fun |
| 23:35.44 | antiphase | You're not going to get change from 10 years salary for anything worth having |
| 23:36.00 | hali | depends |
| 23:36.13 | hali | i do partial bgp with 5 peers in a pair of 2811's |
| 23:36.31 | AndyMillar | :o |
| 23:36.59 | AndyMillar | tbh, that's the sort of thing I'd play with doing |
| 23:37.00 | hali | it's a secondary site, not much traffic... it's just a lot easier to use cisco boxes cross the board |
| 23:37.18 | hali | they have 768megs of ram |
| 23:37.45 | AndyMillar | and max out around 60mbit? |
| 23:37.58 | hali | haven't pushed them to be honest |
| 23:38.04 | hali | they do about 4mbit average |
| 23:38.06 | antiphase | wonders why you bother |
| 23:38.23 | hali | whats the alternative? |
| 23:38.35 | AndyMillar | mmh, 2801s still push 50mbit |
| 23:38.38 | hali | quagga? |
| 23:38.38 | antiphase | Buy transit, and let someone else take the pain |
| 23:38.52 | antiphase | A few Mbps is fuck all to risk on doing your own homebrew networking |
| 23:39.32 | antiphase | If you want redundancy, buy transit off two people |
| 23:39.42 | hali | have them announce my space? |
| 23:39.45 | AndyMillar | antiphase: how's that redundant? |
| 23:40.02 | AndyMillar | unless they do what hali just said |
| 23:40.07 | AndyMillar | but surely that would break |
| 23:40.13 | antiphase | If you have your own AS, any provider will happily announce your spce |
| 23:40.30 | hali | you can iBGP peer with them i guess, or set up ip sla trackers |
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| 23:40.54 | AndyMillar | but then it becomes easier to do what hali has done :p |
| 23:41.19 | antiphase | Why complicate it? |
| 23:41.29 | hali | it's not like basic bgp is rocket science |
| 23:41.42 | antiphase | You just get a provider that has a full table, take a default route, and announce your space to them |
| 23:42.03 | antiphase | Then you take 2 providers like that, and you are multi-homed like the big boys |
| 23:42.05 | hali | that's pretty much what im doing right? |
| 23:42.10 | antiphase | There's no "iBGP" about it |
| 23:42.20 | cpufreak | iBGP is where both ends have the same AS. |
| 23:42.30 | cpufreak | so you will never be doing iBGP with a provider |
| 23:42.34 | hali | im taking down the default route and directly connected routes, syncing between two routers |
| 23:42.58 | cpufreak | if you mean where you use a private AS (e.g. 65534) thats still eBGP, just the provider will mask it. |
| 23:43.05 | cpufreak | seriously, I've sites with 20gig of transit where I just take a default from a single provider |
| 23:44.15 | AndyMillar | mmh, a 1801 would take a full table by the sounds of it... but would have "fun" performance |
| 23:44.30 | antiphase | pmsls |
| 23:44.30 | cpufreak | oh fuck off seriously. |
| 23:44.36 | cpufreak | go play in a lab, and learn |
| 23:44.39 | AndyMillar | :p |
| 23:45.06 | hali | my routing table is only about 8k entries so why not, it's not like the bgp process will kill the cpu |
| 23:45.17 | AndyMillar | takes it that he'd get shot for saying "why not an 800" ;) |
| 23:45.27 | AndyMillar | can hide now :) |
| 23:45.35 | antiphase | bets they're all static routes that you tend to daily |
| 23:46.06 | cpufreak | hali: because people who don't know what they're doing shouldn't play on production systems.. |
| 23:46.15 | cpufreak | I'm not saying you don't as you seem to run a fair amount of stuff |
| 23:46.27 | cpufreak | but AndyMillar is wanting to learn, he should do that in a lab, not on the 'net |
| 23:46.42 | AndyMillar | heh, i wouldn't do it on anything that actually mattered :) |
| 23:46.54 | AndyMillar | i'm not *that* stupuid |
| 23:46.58 | AndyMillar | stupid( |
| 23:47.00 | AndyMillar | argh |
| 23:47.12 | AndyMillar | typing fail* |
| 23:47.33 | hali | playing with bgp should indeed be done in lab |
| 23:47.41 | antiphase | I thin kwe understod firts time ;) |
| 23:47.44 | hali | as you'll get dampened and kicked off |
| 23:48.13 | antiphase | You can't beat some damp flaps |
| 23:48.25 | hali | btw, speaking of routing, virgin broadband seems to be having a lot of routing issues this evening... i get disconnected every few mins |
| 23:48.36 | AndyMillar | hali: what, you mean I can't advertise google's PI? :p |
| 23:48.47 | hali | AndyMillar: sure you can, for a few hours |
| 23:49.05 | hali | depending on if the isp will import it or not, they probably have route-maps for noobs |
| 23:49.24 | antiphase | They're called prefix filters where I come from |
| 23:49.41 | AndyMillar | again, not something i'm stupid enough to do |
| 23:52.07 | hali | there is always gns3, very handy |
| 23:57.47 | AndyMillar | i've got some emulator thingy (mentioned in here a week or so ago) for playing with anyway :) |
| 23:59.51 | hali | there is one for juniper as well |
