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| 07:50.16 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 10:42.05 | kjs | grrr, anyone any good with NFS? |
| 10:45.53 | kjs | i have /opt/blah/docs mounted via NFS to server01:/home/docs apache:apache with chmod 700 /opt/blah/docs/backup is owned by root with 700 perms. Yet the backup is failing to backup each night, due to perms error. Any ideas? |
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| 11:00.18 | antiphase | Depends what you're doing. Probably mismatched UIDs or root_squash |
| 11:17.43 | hali | kjs: mounted with no_root_squash? |
| 11:18.15 | hali | if it's root_squash all files owned by root with a restrictive mode will be unavailable |
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| 11:28.12 | kjs | hali: yeah that was the problem in the end. |
| 11:28.25 | kjs | found it trolling the man page |
| 11:28.30 | kjs | but thanks. |
| 11:28.44 | kjs | no_root_squash fixed it |
| 11:30.58 | morsing | mindbendr! |
| 11:31.04 | morsing | Dj_InstincT! |
| 11:33.04 | mindbendr | morsing! |
| 11:39.08 | Mohan | morsing! |
| 11:41.13 | morsing | Mohan! |
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| 12:27.13 | dick_turpin | bilarh: How are you feeling today? Still feeling unloved? |
| 12:52.30 | bilarh | terribly |
| 12:52.53 | bilarh | dick_turpin: hey so remember me ranting a couple of weeks back about bailiffs now not needing a cuort order to seize property |
| 12:53.00 | bilarh | and even to break in to homes etc to steal? |
| 12:53.30 | bilarh | well, i heard on the radio this morning that the government is worried about bailiffs harassing people and using heavy handed tactics and will look into the matter |
| 12:53.31 | dick_turpin | Yeah |
| 12:53.38 | bilarh | they're such fucking liars it's insane |
| 12:54.30 | bilarh | secretly bring in new laws (it was hidden away in a new criminal act), then say "EVIL BAILIFFS!!!11! LOOK AT US TRYING TO PROTECT THE HARD WORKING MAN" |
| 12:54.48 | dick_turpin | bilarh: But surely you are old enough to understand that all politics is "Smoke and Mirrors" |
| 12:55.00 | bilarh | it's sick |
| 12:55.10 | bilarh | that's exactly what i thought when i heard it |
| 12:55.18 | bilarh | smoke and mirrors, i mean |
| 12:55.38 | dick_turpin | bilarh: All you are going to get from the Government now is platitudes |
| 12:56.03 | bilarh | can't i have a bail out instead, my current account has run a bit low since xmas |
| 12:57.22 | dick_turpin | bilarh: As far as I'm concerned they should let the car industry in the UK go to the wall, I know that would mean massive fallout but that industry has always been and always will be a black hole for money |
| 12:58.23 | bilarh | yep |
| 12:58.42 | bilarh | spending tax payers money to build even more cars that nobody wants to buy |
| 12:59.59 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Cant buy more like, and who in their right mind considers buying a new car when they are not sure if they can make next months mortgage payment |
| 13:00.21 | bilarh | exactly taht too |
| 13:01.51 | dick_turpin | bilarh: The steel industry to a certain extent is another matter, that's an industry I think we need to preserve seeing as its used in stuff like handcuffs for defaulters |
| 13:02.30 | bilarh | hehe |
| 13:02.38 | bilarh | yeah let's send our tax payer money to india again:( |
| 13:02.49 | bilarh | isnt' most english steel firms owned by tata now? |
| 13:03.43 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I think so, but then most of the UK is in hock to the rest of the world anyway so what's the differance? |
| 13:04.06 | bilarh | i suppose |
| 13:04.15 | bilarh | i'm moving out of sterling, that's for sure |
| 13:04.23 | bilarh | tries to sound like a big tycoon |
| 13:04.30 | bilarh | only manags big :( |
| 13:05.24 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I'm stocking up on brushes, soap, toothpaste and fags for when we become a barter society |
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| 13:11.26 | bilarh | i'm stocking up on shotguns instead :) |
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| 13:33.19 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 13:33.39 | sabinef72 | yessssssssss |
| 13:33.46 | sabinef72 | kisses morsing |
| 13:34.21 | morsing | woooooooooooo! |
| 13:34.30 | morsing | nuzzles sabinef72 |
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| 15:07.28 | bilarh | anyone know off the bat how long you have to wait to claim for an item not received with paypal? |
| 15:08.02 | antiphase | Claim from whom? |
| 15:08.09 | bilarh | well, i paid for this thing |
| 15:08.12 | bilarh | and it's not turned up |
| 15:08.13 | antiphase | Any fule kno you only buy on Interwebs with credit card |
| 15:08.14 | bilarh | the sellers gone awol |
| 15:08.31 | bilarh | well, that's a bit hard if the seller is a private individual |
| 15:08.51 | bilarh | and apparently, there's some paypal buyer protection that i want to invoke |
| 15:09.01 | antiphase | You could use Paypal with credit cards last time I used a credit card through Paypal |
| 15:09.25 | bilarh | i suppose i could |
| 15:09.34 | bilarh | might consider it from now on |
| 15:09.49 | antiphase | Then you just call the card issuer and ask for your money back |
| 15:10.02 | bilarh | hmm |
| 15:10.07 | morsing | bilarh: PayPal protects you more than your credit card |
| 15:10.08 | bilarh | wishes he'd used a cc |
| 15:10.13 | bilarh | morsing: really? :D |
| 15:10.22 | morsing | They'll refund yur money |
| 15:10.29 | morsing | your |
| 15:10.32 | bilarh | cool, do you know how long you have to wait? |
| 15:10.36 | morsing | File a dispute |
| 15:10.38 | bilarh | i mean before you can put a claim in? |
| 15:10.44 | morsing | bilarh: Not sure |
| 15:10.54 | morsing | 30 days maybe? |
| 15:10.54 | bilarh | ok, i'll have to look into it a bit further |
| 15:11.04 | bilarh | i've waited for 1.5 weeks now |
| 15:11.04 | antiphase | Try it and see is the obvious answer |
| 15:11.19 | bilarh | i know, i just acn't be arsed at the moment at work |
| 15:11.26 | morsing | bilarh: I'm sitting next to an Ebay expert but she's on the phone |
| 15:11.28 | morsing | One sec |
| 15:11.44 | bilarh | disconnect her phone? :P |
| 15:11.52 | morsing | Mobile... |
| 15:12.03 | bilarh | harder, but not impossible :) |
| 15:12.07 | antiphase | Chuck a glass of water over it |
| 15:12.25 | bilarh | that might not be a good idea if he wants to ask her a question |
| 15:12.42 | bilarh | unless the question is along the lines of "can you please kick my balls really hard?" |
| 15:12.43 | morsing | bilarh: She says contact PayPal directly and they'll refund with no questions |
| 15:12.48 | bilarh | ah cool :D |
| 15:12.59 | bilarh | will do, i'll give it a couple of more days, but it looks a bit hopeless at the moment |
| 15:13.03 | morsing | And there's no time limit, you can do it now |
| 15:13.16 | bilarh | i'll give him a couple of more days |
| 15:13.21 | morsing | Ok |
| 15:13.39 | bilarh | up to tuesday when it's been 2+ weeks of no contact or product |
| 15:13.48 | bilarh | really annoying, it was something i quite wnated as well |
| 15:13.52 | morsing | bilarh: She has an Ebay shop and buyer sometimes do this to her even when she's posted the item |
| 15:14.02 | bilarh | a spare saab ecu |
| 15:14.21 | bilarh | morsing: as long as you have proof of delivery you're safe, aren't you? |
| 15:14.26 | morsing | PayPal doesn't even consult the seller, just reverses the money transfer |
| 15:14.37 | bilarh | nice one :) |
| 15:14.40 | morsing | bilarh: Well, how can you? |
| 15:14.54 | bilarh | i thought a tracking number was all that you needed? |
| 15:15.03 | morsing | Selling stuff for 99p you don't send recorded |
| 15:15.13 | bilarh | no of course not, but stuff for a bit more definitely |
| 15:15.25 | bilarh | like a car ecu |
| 15:15.35 | morsing | Most of her stuff is less than 30gbp |
| 15:15.41 | bilarh | ok |
| 15:15.51 | bilarh | i suppose it's a *lot* less hassle to send stuff like that non recorded |
| 15:38.14 | bilarh | get in, bosch wideband lambda sensor for 22 quid |
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| 15:52.59 | ChoHag | Checking to ensure live database is running every minute is too much. We must check only every 5 minutes. |
| 16:00.36 | wethrin | Surely there's better ways of seeing if the database process has died? |
| 16:06.53 | ChoHag | Doesn't matter. The check has to happen some time. |
| 16:07.18 | ChoHag | And whatever period, that is the amount of time the site can be down before we are notified. |
| 16:11.04 | wethrin | Um. |
| 16:11.18 | wethrin | The obvious thing would be to wrap the database process in a wrapper script |
| 16:11.28 | wethrin | #!/bin/sh |
| 16:11.42 | wethrin | /opt/orrible/bin/orrible |
| 16:11.47 | wethrin | echo "OH NOES! I'VE DIED!" |
| 16:11.50 | wethrin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.55 | wethrin | You can have that for free |
| 16:12.18 | kraptv | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.54 | wethrin | So then, well, you'll have a notification as soon as the database process dies |
| 16:14.15 | ChoHag | Assuming the box continues to run and the process doesn't hang. |
| 16:14.40 | wethrin | How're you checking that the process is still working? |
| 16:16.15 | ChoHag | Connect and log in. |
| 16:20.02 | kraptv | Sounds to me like somthing you'd want to play around with SNMP monitoring for. |
| 16:23.37 | Mohan | what database is it between ? |
| 16:25.00 | Mohan | with snmp and nagios its pretty much easy to monitor anything. |
| 16:27.26 | kraptv | Yeah. |
| 16:27.42 | kraptv | And easy to set thresholds, monitoring of certain things, etc. |
| 16:28.09 | kraptv | And on top of that you can plot out some basic performance graphs, in case you need to show off. |
| 16:36.20 | ChoHag | We do. |
| 16:36.31 | ChoHag | But not every minute. |
| 16:41.06 | Mohan | but it does depend on how critical the data is. |
| 16:41.56 | Mohan | if its banking environment its obvious that every minute is important |
| 16:42.49 | Mohan | if its a normal website 5mins should be fine. |
| 16:43.39 | wethrin | If it's a banking environment, and you're only running database system, you deserve to get shafted |
| 16:44.09 | wethrin | You will, of course, be running a clustered system with appropriate failover, so if one goes down it doesn't matter so much |
| 16:44.18 | ChoHag | It's banking. |
| 16:44.43 | ChoHag | We're running a clustered system with appalling failover. |
| 16:45.07 | wethrin | Shouldn't Oracle DTRT? |
| 16:45.14 | wethrin | (once it's configured correctly, obviously) |
| 16:45.33 | ChoHag | When the live server room lost power a few months back, it took over 6 hours to get the standby room up. |
| 16:45.33 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 16:45.36 | wethrin | hey |
| 16:45.43 | ChoHag | In fact it would have taken longer because then the power was restored. |
| 16:45.51 | wethrin | Your failover fails |
| 16:46.02 | wethrin | Specially if you're a banking environment |
| 16:46.05 | ChoHag | Yes. Yes it does. |
| 16:46.18 | Mohan | then it aint a failover. |
| 16:46.25 | ChoHag | But I have the task of designing the new DB clusters/storage, so maybe this one won't suck so much. |
| 16:46.39 | wethrin | Mohan: Maybe they got confused, and took the spec to be: "Fail. Over." |
| 16:46.47 | ChoHag | Heh. |
| 16:47.00 | wethrin | It's all about the punctuation. |
| 16:47.26 | Mohan | will the fail back work ? |
| 16:47.51 | Mohan | or will it take another 6 hours ? |
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| 16:48.13 | ChoHag | That took about an hour I think. |
| 16:48.23 | ChoHag | DNS had to be changed and the network team were understandably busy. |
| 16:48.47 | wethrin | Glad to see they got their prorities right there ;) |
| 16:55.23 | ChoHag | It was an entertaining day. |
| 16:56.02 | ChoHag | But the highlight was when the meeting to discuss wtf happened and why millions were paid for redundant systems didn't happen. |
| 16:56.24 | ChoHag | But the highlight was when the meeting to discuss ( wtf happened and why millions were paid for redundant systems ) didn't happen. |
| 16:56.28 | ChoHag | parse error... |
| 16:56.53 | wethrin | That could be entertaining. Specially if someone else gets a bollocking |
| 17:16.40 | ChoHag | I have just received this email from Oracle: |
| 17:16.45 | ChoHag | Hi Matthew, |
| 17:16.45 | ChoHag | Can I please ask you for some contact details, so our Product Specialist can get in touch with you. |
| 17:19.35 | wethrin | oh dear |
| 17:22.23 | morsing | Beer |
| 17:42.38 | morsing | Beer |
| 18:05.29 | kraptv | morsing: Taco Bell. |
| 18:08.23 | z00dax | rar! |
| 18:13.44 | morsing | Check it! |
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| 18:30.00 | z00dax | morsing: way too much beer today |
| 18:30.04 | z00dax | way way waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much |
| 18:56.52 | morsing | Cawfy |
| 18:56.56 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 19:52.51 | kjs | evening |
| 20:11.02 | an0key | kjs: evening |
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| 20:42.53 | zx80user | anybody else on Tiscali? |
| 20:43.09 | zx80user | I cannot brose anything but this is obviously up :/ |
| 20:53.07 | boudiccas | zx80user; yes, i'm on tiscali |
| 20:53.22 | hali | zx80user: dns error? |
| 20:53.27 | zx80user | boudiccas and you aren't having any problems atm? |
| 20:53.31 | boudiccas | i'm not aware of any other probnlems with tiscali for the moment |
| 20:54.08 | zx80user | why would dns fail for browsing and not for irc and ssh |
| 20:54.08 | boudiccas | specifically what problems are you having? |
| 20:54.23 | zx80user | I cannot connect to anything outside my network on port 80 |
| 20:54.39 | boudiccas | does firefox work? |
| 20:54.54 | boudiccas | can it get to googla and other sites from google? |
| 20:55.01 | boudiccas | *google |
| 20:55.20 | zx80user | you mean does it come up? Yes, and I can connect to internal resources on port 80 but can connect to nothing else google or otherwise |
| 20:55.56 | zx80user | my squid log shows everything timing our |
| 20:55.58 | zx80user | out |
| 20:56.46 | zx80user | hmmm now seems to be working (if very slow) when squid is off |
| 21:00.10 | zx80user | seemingly it is a squid + DNS issue |
| 21:00.20 | zx80user | seems to be back up after a fashion now |
| 21:00.30 | kjs | trans proxie by chance? |
| 21:02.28 | zx80user | kjs if that's a tech term I don't understand it :( |
| 21:02.57 | kjs | are you using a transparent proxie |
| 21:03.34 | zx80user | kjs, nope |
| 21:04.41 | zx80user | I think it's running ok now |
| 21:05.04 | kjs | grats |
| 21:05.09 | zx80user | I jsut assumed because I could connect to local resources via squid that there was no problem there |
| 21:05.22 | zx80user | but a squid restart seems to have fixed it |
| 21:07.13 | boudiccas | zx80user; the only probalrm that i have with tiscali on a regular basis is that they seem to switch off their mail servers in the early evining so you cant get messages via a newsgroup |
| 21:10.08 | zx80user | hmmm seems to be breaking down again |
| 21:14.05 | zx80user | bust again |
| 21:37.47 | morsing | Beer |
| 21:43.23 | an0key | morsing: Tea |
| 23:41.22 | morsing | Beer |
| 23:47.07 | an0key | morsing: Tea!!! |
| 23:51.01 | cpufreak | wine |