| 00:00.58 | morsing | rhowe: Why are you ignoring me? |
| 00:01.23 | wethrin | hey rhowe |
| 00:01.44 | new2unix | rhowe |
| 00:05.43 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 00:06.12 | wethrin | hi |
| 00:07.03 | morsing | Beer |
| 00:07.11 | wethrin | No |
| 00:07.39 | morsing | Cheese |
| 00:12.58 | morsing | nn |
| 00:13.32 | Leeds | brisbane??? |
| 00:13.45 | morsing | Leeds: Twat |
| 00:13.50 | new2unix | Yep. Are you still in HK? |
| 00:14.06 | Leeds | new2unix: do you do python? I know a guy there who has been desperately trying to find python people who are there - or will move there |
| 00:14.07 | Leeds | I am |
| 00:14.40 | Leeds | and unfortunately, I'm in a hurry - need to be at the police station in 45 minutes or so, still need to shower first - just some paperwork, nothing bad :-) |
| 00:15.09 | Leeds | you might want to talk to him anyway - he's Jerub on IRC... tell him I sent you. |
| 00:17.56 | new2unix | Thanks Leeds. Have fun at the police station. |
| 00:20.44 | wethrin | morsing: That was uncalled for |
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| 02:08.49 | new2unix | rhowe? |
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| 08:34.57 | morsing | wethrin: No it wasn't |
| 08:38.29 | bilarh | morning folks |
| 08:43.36 | morsing | Morning |
| 08:44.39 | bilarh | ah, environment variable names are case sensitive - i had no idea |
| 08:44.52 | bilarh | i've always used uppercase |
| 08:48.39 | Leeds | I tend to use uppercase for 'environment' but lower-case for 'scripts' |
| 08:49.06 | bilarh | good point, a script variable is just another environment variable really isn't it |
| 08:49.12 | bilarh | never thought of it that way either :) |
| 08:49.31 | bilarh | i always use upper case for all shell script variables |
| 08:49.39 | bilarh | but strangely, not if doing perl or whatever :) |
| 08:50.05 | bilarh | then I'm more in favour of a naming scheme likeThis for local variables and LikeThis for globals |
| 08:51.42 | ChoHag | Eww. |
| 08:51.52 | ChoHag | like_this and like_this for locals and globals. |
| 08:51.57 | ChoHag | LIKE_THIS for constants. |
| 08:52.05 | ChoHag | CamelCaseIsEvil. |
| 08:52.12 | ChoHag | fakeCamelCaseIsWorse. |
| 08:52.15 | bilarh | ah, you say that |
| 08:52.17 | bilarh | but |
| 08:52.28 | bilarh | CamelToe is better than any of your schemes above |
| 08:52.48 | ChoHag | CamelToe is indeed a winner. |
| 08:52.55 | bilarh | i rest my case |
| 08:58.29 | ChoHag | Bah. Dev is attempting to commit to CVS, which has >1GB free, and is getting a no free space error. |
| 08:58.38 | ChoHag | Even /tmp has 500MB. |
| 08:58.46 | ChoHag | What the hell is he trying to commit? |
| 08:58.53 | bilarh | i-nodes? |
| 08:59.35 | ChoHag | Apparently it has none, has used none and has none free. |
| 08:59.44 | bilarh | :D |
| 09:00.00 | ChoHag | reiserfs (don't shoot me it wasn't my idea) apparently doesn't use them. |
| 09:00.11 | bilarh | ah ok |
| 09:00.26 | bilarh | so i take it you can manually write files on there? |
| 09:00.27 | bilarh | as the user? |
| 09:00.36 | ChoHag | ? |
| 09:00.36 | bilarh | do you use cvs over ssh or pserver? |
| 09:00.39 | ChoHag | pserver |
| 09:00.40 | bilarh | or even locally? |
| 09:00.43 | bilarh | ah ok |
| 09:00.47 | ChoHag | Security doesn't happen here. |
| 09:00.53 | bilarh | can you commit something? |
| 09:00.57 | bilarh | try committing something else :) |
| 09:00.59 | bilarh | a tiny change |
| 09:01.05 | bilarh | or even try creating a file on the local filesystem |
| 09:01.12 | ChoHag | Of course I can there's a gig free. |
| 09:01.21 | bilarh | you tried it then? |
| 09:02.11 | ChoHag | If it makes you feel better, I have now. |
| 09:10.19 | ChoHag | I just closed it as a pebkac problem |
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| 09:15.08 | ChoHag | Yay. Cron entries with '>/dev/null 2>&1'. |
| 09:40.52 | bilarh | what's wrong with crons like that? |
| 09:42.15 | ChoHag | Nothing. Until they go wrong. |
| 09:42.32 | ChoHag | Especially if the script opens a log file in a directory that doesn't exist. |
| 09:43.07 | bilarh | hmm |
| 09:43.26 | bilarh | i don't know, sometimes it's not worth bothering with the email shit that comes out of cron |
| 09:43.38 | bilarh | but i've got an automated email allergy |
| 09:43.46 | bilarh | i break out in a rash if i get too many of them |
| 09:44.12 | ChoHag | Then your crons shouldn't produce so many errors. |
| 09:44.54 | bilarh | tell that to programmers that write shit code :) |
| 09:45.19 | ChoHag | Well then they're the ones who get the email. |
| 10:02.08 | Mohan | morning! |
| 10:20.05 | wethrin | GAH. Damn you, Apple Software Update. Stop popping up when I can't update you! |
| 10:22.53 | wethrin | Also, I still fail to see why 'twat' was ever called for..... |
| 10:51.27 | j0nr | morning |
| 11:01.38 | morsing | wethrin: His refusing to respond to anything I say. I've told you I was put in this world to fight rude people, why don't you just join me? |
| 11:01.58 | wethrin | You can't fight rudeness by being rude |
| 11:02.25 | wethrin | Also you didn't say anything *to* him, other than saying 'twat' |
| 11:03.01 | morsing | wethrin: I wasn't being rude, just telling the truth. And he knows why... |
| 11:03.39 | wethrin | Clearly you don't know him, then..... |
| 11:03.52 | morsing | I know him too well |
| 11:04.01 | wethrin | Anyway. I have better things to do |
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| 11:23.04 | bilarh | i never thought i'd say this, but *yes*, it's raining |
| 11:23.15 | bilarh | melt the bleeding snow away |
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| 11:29.42 | new2unix | Night all |
| 11:34.05 | bilarh | http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2009/02/05/image/253855_%5Btmbar%5D%20%5Btaf%5D%20orange.jpg |
| 11:34.11 | bilarh | it's not offensive btw |
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| 11:40.52 | Cope | hali: ping |
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| 12:09.18 | hali | Cope: ping |
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| 13:01.10 | morsing | Cope: !!!! |
| 13:01.14 | morsing | flips_and_rails! |
| 13:11.50 | j0nr | good trick morsing ;) |
| 13:38.08 | bilarh | hmm, power drills.. |
| 13:38.17 | bilarh | should i get a dewalt or an erbauer? |
| 13:38.24 | bilarh | dewalt = 70 quid |
| 13:39.00 | bilarh | erbauer: 64 |
| 13:40.14 | bilarh | or should i go for a cheap and cheerful one at 20 quid and replace it when it breaks again? |
| 13:46.20 | ChoHag | People never fucking listen. |
| 13:46.44 | ChoHag | This is not a technical problem so the technical solution will not work. |
| 13:47.14 | ChoHag | > Yes but we need it to force people to do X [correct CVS log messages] |
| 13:47.38 | ChoHag | Yes. I'll put the script in place but it won't work. The dev team need to change their procedures. |
| 13:47.41 | ChoHag | > Yes but we need it to force people to do X [correct CVS log messages] |
| 13:51.10 | antiphase | bilarh: Buy a proper one, not that shit that builders think is good because it's bright yellow and more expensive |
| 13:51.50 | antiphase | If you break drills, you might as well get the 20 quid one |
| 13:52.49 | bilarh | i broke a cheapo one already drilling a 62mm hole in a stainless steel plate |
| 13:52.54 | bilarh | oh well, erbauer it is |
| 13:52.56 | bilarh | i hate when tools break |
| 13:53.18 | antiphase | I don't think you were drilling a 62mm hole; more cutting one with the wrong tool :P |
| 13:53.28 | bilarh | ok i used a holesaw :) |
| 13:53.33 | bilarh | a bi-metal one |
| 13:53.36 | bilarh | anyway, it worked |
| 13:53.40 | bilarh | but my drill also caught fiter |
| 13:53.42 | bilarh | not the bit :) |
| 13:53.52 | antiphase | You'll damage any electric drill doing that to be fair |
| 13:53.58 | bilarh | s/fiter/fire/ |
| 13:54.21 | bilarh | isn't that the whole point of a holesaw, though? |
| 13:54.24 | bilarh | that you fit them to drills? |
| 13:54.59 | antiphase | If you're using one to cut metal, it would be traditional to use a drill press so you end up with an acceptable result, and that also allows you to control it better |
| 13:55.19 | antiphase | Rather than 62 +/- 5mm with ragged edges and a smouldering drill |
| 13:55.46 | bilarh | i should have used a pillar drill, i suppose |
| 13:55.47 | antiphase | OTherwise you might as well chanin drill it or use a jigsaw |
| 13:56.03 | bilarh | nevertheless, it means i need to buy another drill |
| 13:56.13 | bilarh | chain drill being? |
| 13:56.17 | bilarh | lots of holes in a circle? |
| 13:56.22 | antiphase | Yes |
| 13:56.39 | bilarh | yeah that probably would have worked |
| 13:56.45 | antiphase | If you have a 20 quid drill you won't have a good enough file to make it look nice afterwards though :P |
| 13:57.10 | bilarh | well, it would have been hidden inside a downpipe anyway :) |
| 13:57.39 | antiphase | There's not a lot of point buying a more expensive drill unless you need a powerful one. The cheap ones are a bit weedy, but you get 3 for the price of a DeWalt one which won't be that great anyway |
| 13:58.22 | bilarh | hmm |
| 13:58.52 | bilarh | i suppose the b&q special lasted me three years and probably would have lasted a lot longer had i not killed it |
| 13:58.58 | bilarh | i think it was about 30 quid |
| 13:59.06 | bilarh | but still half the price to the erbauer one |
| 13:59.42 | bilarh | hmm, decisions decisions |
| 14:01.59 | dick_turpin | bilarh: You're not living up to the throw away society we now live in. Buy the cheap one when its knackered throw it away and buy another. No wonder there's a credit crunch on. buy buy buy :-) |
| 14:02.43 | bilarh | good point |
| 14:02.46 | bilarh | i might save the world |
| 14:05.39 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Or some poor little guy in fooshung province who has to knock 3000 a day of them out for 50p every 8 years |
| 14:05.41 | bilarh | DAN, divers alert network, have just sent me an email saying they can no longer accept payments in non-euro currencies as some of them (the pound) is depreciating too much |
| 14:08.37 | bilarh | dick_turpin: to pay for his sick grand mother :( |
| 14:11.12 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Don't forget the Yak |
| 14:11.30 | bilarh | god i'm so incredibly incredibly bored today |
| 14:16.29 | dick_turpin | I wouldn't be if people spoke up, have you tried watching Pidgin, Gwibber and TBird out the corner of your eye with very little reward. I mean for gods sake I'm having to work for a change to entertain myself |
| 14:17.24 | bilarh | you make no sennse |
| 14:17.29 | bilarh | sense |
| 14:18.46 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Yeah, sorry, too much coke |
| 14:19.03 | bilarh | this is how shit my week is |
| 14:19.15 | bilarh | i've tried buying two bottles of coke out of the stupid machine |
| 14:19.27 | bilarh | *both* of them got stuck and wouldn't come out |
| 14:20.01 | bilarh | so now i have no change eft |
| 14:20.03 | bilarh | and no coke |
| 14:20.32 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I have change, got it from a coke dispensing machine :-) |
| 14:20.47 | bilarh | send me some |
| 14:20.54 | bilarh | i even borrowed one of the pounds off my boss |
| 14:21.01 | bilarh | and then the fucking machine swallowed that one too |
| 14:21.34 | wethrin | I recommend rocking the machine out of frustration |
| 14:21.42 | wethrin | But don't forget to fill in a risk assessment first |
| 14:21.47 | bilarh | oh belive me i tried |
| 14:21.58 | bilarh | they were stuck solid |
| 14:22.24 | bilarh | and to top it off |
| 14:22.42 | bilarh | the hr department haven't paid my work expenses for more than a month |
| 14:22.51 | bilarh | so i'm 380 quid out of pocket at the moment |
| 14:22.55 | bilarh | 382 if you include the drinks |
| 14:23.31 | wethrin | boo at them |
| 14:29.57 | dick_turpin | slurps on a cool can of coke |
| 14:30.39 | bilarh | hmm |
| 14:30.51 | bilarh | the expect interface in perl is really cool |
| 14:30.58 | bilarh | so much nicer than writing real expect tcl code |
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| 17:47.16 | ChoHag | Yay power cut at work. |
| 17:47.20 | ChoHag | Again. |
| 18:17.52 | cpufreak | http://labs.joost.com/blog/?p=20 |
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| 20:30.51 | new2unix | to breakfast or not to breakfast... |
| 20:35.50 | an0key | grrr, for the life of me cant remember what the trackpad driver thing is under windows... synantecs or something... any ideas? |
| 20:47.59 | new2unix | an0key: synaptics |
| 20:52.47 | an0key | new2unix: thats it, ta |
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