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| 08:56.58 | Mohan | morning! |
| 09:28.05 | bilarh | wahey, nationwide is now down more than 20% since the peak :D |
| 09:28.20 | bilarh | 20.59% to be precise |
| 09:28.25 | bilarh | (since oct 2007) |
| 09:41.26 | j0nr | morning |
| 09:51.03 | kjs | morning |
| 10:41.35 | bilarh | anyone want to sponsor us for the scumrun? |
| 10:41.46 | bilarh | it's all for charity (for a childrens hospice) |
| 10:44.02 | bilarh | we still need to raise 300 to get to the 500 target |
| 10:44.21 | bilarh | any donations will go straight to the charity, doesn't even pass our hands |
| 10:44.24 | bilarh | all done online |
| 10:45.47 | ChoHag | I have a CSV with a column in the format "[0-9]+[0-9]+" which Excel helpfully converts irreversibly into a date. |
| 11:21.38 | kjs | scumrun ? |
| 11:27.48 | bilarh | kjs: charity drive through europe |
| 11:28.27 | bilarh | kjs: essnetially, 100 teams driving from portsmouth to france (on a boat, obviously), doing a lot of driving for four days and coming back |
| 11:28.29 | kjs | sounds fun |
| 11:28.35 | bilarh | it's a bit like a charity walk but in a car |
| 11:28.43 | bilarh | i need to raise a further 310 quid |
| 11:29.01 | ChoHag | Drive from portsmouth to france on a boat? |
| 11:29.13 | bilarh | I'll be happy to print up custom stickers for the car in exchange for a donation |
| 11:29.32 | bilarh | with any (offensive or otherwise) message as long as it's not illegal in Europe |
| 11:30.34 | bilarh | the charity's page is here: http://www.chasecare.org.uk |
| 11:30.45 | bilarh | the just giving page is here: http://www.justgiving.com/teampinkcar |
| 11:30.56 | bilarh | the car blog is here: http://www.teampinkcar.co.uk |
| 11:31.04 | bilarh | and the event page is here: http://www.scumrun.co.uk :) |
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| 11:50.58 | mindbendr | Hi |
| 11:51.32 | kjs | hi |
| 12:28.21 | ChoHag | What the hell is wrong with people? The fact that nobody answered the phone is probably an indication that NOBODY IS THERE. |
| 12:29.20 | wethrin | Hm? |
| 12:29.34 | wethrin | I think there's more to this than you just said... |
| 12:30.05 | ChoHag | He phoned three times. On the third time I picked up the call group and he asked "Can I speak to one of the DBAs?" |
| 12:30.15 | wethrin | Ah. |
| 12:30.19 | wethrin | "No. Bye." |
| 12:30.24 | ChoHag | I told him that if any were here, they would have answered the phone. |
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| 13:05.25 | AndyMillar | ChoHag: who is he |
| 13:05.26 | AndyMillar | ? |
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| 13:26.05 | ChoHag | Some developer. |
| 13:30.49 | AndyMillar | ah |
| 13:34.27 | ChoHag | Aah managers. (Paraphrased) "It's pointless having this meeting all together because we don't have enough time to get everything done, but we'll continue to do it anyway for a few weeks without splitting it up." |
| 13:40.54 | wethrin | ChoHag: Does your company have *any* idea what they're doing? |
| 13:42.49 | AndyMillar | wethrin: they have managers, they must do |
| 13:48.37 | dick_turpin | Yes we do :-P |
| 13:53.43 | hali | sfw http://i.gizmodo.com/5157354/boy-killed-anally-when-office-chair-explodes |
| 13:53.50 | wethrin | err |
| 13:54.11 | dick_turpin | Oh dear |
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| 14:10.47 | ChoHag | wethrin: Managing. |
| 14:12.02 | ChoHag | The windows admin just said it would be a bad idea for the developers to each have their own (virtual) Linux machine. Despite developing for a Linux web server. |
| 14:12.17 | wethrin | Dude, WTF? |
| 14:12.21 | wethrin | What's his reasoning? |
| 14:12.42 | dick_turpin | Control |
| 14:12.53 | wethrin | Pah |
| 14:14.03 | ChoHag | They should do stuff on a server so it is available when they leave. |
| 14:14.10 | wethrin | erm |
| 14:14.47 | ChoHag | Yes. |
| 14:15.09 | dick_turpin | Irreplacable |
| 14:16.54 | mindbendr | well the virtual servers are not available when it's needed for the other then |
| 14:16.56 | mindbendr | it's strange. |
| 14:17.13 | mindbendr | but |
| 14:17.19 | mindbendr | in my company, the things are worse |
| 14:17.32 | mindbendr | they install another virtual server for each service |
| 14:17.44 | wethrin | What's wrong with that? |
| 14:18.03 | wethrin | Keeping services separate is a good idea |
| 14:18.06 | mindbendr | there's the local dns server 256Mb mem allocated for each service |
| 14:18.18 | mindbendr | and you end up monitoring hundred of servers |
| 14:18.24 | mindbendr | and maintaining them |
| 14:18.30 | wethrin | You mean, Nagios ends up monitoring hundres of servers |
| 14:19.41 | mindbendr | it's not just nagios |
| 14:19.43 | ChoHag | Are they running a fully gnomed-up redhat? |
| 14:19.45 | mindbendr | backup etc |
| 14:19.49 | mindbendr | ChoHag: yeah |
| 14:20.04 | wethrin | Clearly you need a more flexible backup script :) |
| 14:20.05 | mindbendr | for instance |
| 14:20.20 | mindbendr | i said i need a place to generate vpn keys |
| 14:20.29 | mindbendr | the guy went oh lets install a virtual machine |
| 14:21.18 | mindbendr | wethrin: the backup situation is complicated here because the tape software doesn't cope nice with ctime/hardlinks on linux |
| 14:21.35 | wethrin | tar! |
| 14:21.44 | mindbendr | wethrin: so we run rsnapshot and the commercial backup software on the files twice |
| 14:22.01 | mindbendr | in a way. |
| 14:22.04 | wethrin | Ugh. There are better ways of doing it... |
| 14:22.20 | mindbendr | wethrin: if you wanna backup the folders that rsnapshot creates, how do you do that |
| 14:22.24 | mindbendr | to the tape |
| 14:22.31 | mindbendr | if you wanna go with a specific commercial software |
| 14:22.48 | mindbendr | whenever you create a hard link, it updates the ctime on the inode |
| 14:22.59 | mindbendr | you end up having the ctime changed on every link eventually. |
| 14:25.06 | antiphase | Don't use hard links then |
| 14:25.28 | antiphase | Use the incremental or differential facility of your commercial backup system |
| 14:25.46 | antiphase | i.e. Do backups with the backup software :P |
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| 15:02.47 | mindbendr | antiphase: yeah but having them on the disk storage is an advantage that the devs don't wanna get rid off |
| 15:02.56 | mindbendr | as having them on the tape at the same time |
| 15:03.41 | mindbendr | so i backup the large dirs with the commercial software individually with its native client incrementally |
| 15:05.01 | antiphase | Staged backups? |
| 15:05.51 | mindbendr | rsnapshot backups everything with hardlinks and the commercial software backups the latest rsnapshot folder excluding the large dirs and it backups those large folders incrementally with its native client |
| 15:06.31 | mindbendr | so it backups those large folders twice incrementally as a result |
| 15:08.14 | antiphase | So your commercial software can't do staged backups where the most recent backups are kept on disk and moved to tape later for archiving |
| 15:08.44 | antiphase | which is the normal approach if you need faster access to recent backups for recovery |
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| 15:47.23 | mindbendr | antiphase: no, it doesn't keep any data on the disk, tapes directly. |
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| 17:01.11 | ChoHag | http://i.gizmodo.com/5157354/boy-killed-anally-when-office-chair-explodes |
| 17:01.16 | mindbendr | does anybody think that tar or pv could cause an overhead? |
| 17:01.27 | ChoHag | I don't know where I got that link from, but does anyone else look at the second picture and think 'goatse'? |
| 17:01.28 | mindbendr | I'm transferring some files to a NAS box |
| 17:01.31 | mindbendr | tar cpf - * | pv | ( cd /mnt/exernalHD/; tar xpf - ) |
| 17:01.42 | mindbendr | i could transfer 1.30 GB in 20 minutes |
| 17:04.09 | mindbendr | ChoHag: I've heard a refrigerator exploded last week but not a chair |
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| 23:14.45 | toshiba510cdt | i am running debian gnu/linux on ancient P133 MHz laptop. i do not run X and whenever i insert my Linksys WPC11 ver3 pcmcia wireless card (prism2 chipset) my laptop screen displays the message "wifi0: prism2_interrupt: ev=0xffff" ad infinitum and can not issue any commands or anything. it does not matter if i switch to tty2. that message effectively blocks me from issuing any commands |
| 23:14.56 | toshiba510cdt | i even find myself unable to reboot the laptop with CTRL ALT DEL. can anyone help me? |
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| 23:44.39 | z00dax | toshiba510cdt: I'd recommend asking on the gllug list |
| 23:45.11 | toshiba510cdt | ok |
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