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07:44.54 | j0nr | morning all |
08:38.12 | bilarh | my people |
09:16.47 | Mohan | morning. |
09:19.40 | j0nr | so who's going to tell me what happened to morsing? |
09:20.47 | Mohan | j0nr: he was here yesterday |
09:21.30 | Mohan | he said that he finds some people as rude in this channel, and been busy lately |
09:21.52 | Mohan | thats the reason why he is not coming often. |
09:26.13 | bilarh | what's peoples opinion on buying a house at the moment? |
09:28.21 | Mohan | bilarh: if you have the cash, its the right time to buy it :d |
09:28.38 | bilarh | i don't have all the cash, naturally |
09:28.57 | z00dax | holding off for a year or so; seems to be what most people are doing |
09:29.25 | bilarh | mmm |
09:29.37 | bilarh | i was planning that as well |
09:29.57 | bilarh | but this quantative easing and failed government bond auction yesterday has made me a bit worried |
09:30.03 | Mohan | but its like as of now properties in average like 20000£ or more less |
09:30.31 | Mohan | if the stimulus in US picks up, the prices would go up |
09:30.34 | bilarh | i'd quite like to be out of cash sooner than 12 months now |
09:30.43 | Mohan | its more or less a gamble. |
09:31.43 | bilarh | i'm viewing "realistically" priced houses now, and i might put in offers of around 80% of asking price |
09:31.49 | bilarh | i.e repos sold by banks |
09:31.59 | Mohan | z00dax: Is there a place where i can get some good documents about RHCS/GFS apart from the manual ? |
09:32.58 | z00dax | Mohan: the docs are good, apart from that - just use it. |
09:33.05 | Mohan | if you are lucky houses prices around 280,000 you can quote an offer from 245-250,000 and you can still get it. |
09:33.13 | z00dax | linux-cluster on irc / mailing list are also good resources |
09:33.30 | bilarh | nobody will bid more than 250k on a house that is priced under 300k imo |
09:33.40 | bilarh | this is due to stamp duty going up to 3% at 250 |
09:33.42 | z00dax | not at the moment |
09:33.44 | bilarh | before that it's only 1k |
09:33.48 | bilarh | sorry, 1% |
09:33.57 | Mohan | yeah, thats true |
09:33.57 | wethrin | I'd personally wait another 6 months or so. OTOH, if you can get a low offer accepted, go for it |
09:34.00 | z00dax | quite a lot of people feel that 10% + brick cost of a place is a fair price these days |
09:34.02 | wethrin | Assuming you can get a mortgage |
09:34.15 | Mohan | but you can still get the stampduty for 250,000 and pay the rest in cash |
09:34.15 | bilarh | z00dax: so that's like 50k for most houses :D |
09:34.37 | bilarh | mohan: that's a lot harder than it used to be... the ILR have wised up |
09:34.49 | Mohan | which would save you 5K for stamp duty. |
09:34.51 | bilarh | got a mortgage sorted out already |
09:34.58 | z00dax | bilarh: anything more than that, and you are quoting prices that have no relevance to the real value of a property |
09:35.17 | bilarh | z00dax: well, there's still some utility value to be had IMO |
09:35.45 | z00dax | yes, but its fading fast :) |
09:35.49 | Mohan | z00dax: thanks. |
09:35.52 | bilarh | z00dax: i'm looking at it from the point of view of renting a similar property as well... it's not starting to look *TOO* bad to buy actually |
09:35.59 | bilarh | on the other hand, i also think prices will keep falling |
09:36.16 | bilarh | *OR* we will get hyperinflation which will destroy my deposit |
09:36.19 | wethrin | Aren't they falling less than they did |
09:36.21 | wethrin | ? |
09:36.30 | bilarh | nah still falling really quite fast indeed |
09:36.53 | wethrin | Once house prices reach some level, then market forces will start driving them back up - when everyone thinks they're cheap enough to move up to a new property |
09:37.24 | bilarh | we're looking at 20% off peak already actually |
09:37.27 | bilarh | in achieved sold prices |
09:37.44 | bilarh | i.e. a 25% rise has been wiped out |
09:38.19 | bilarh | wethrin: prices stayed flat for the most of the early mid 90's |
09:38.24 | bilarh | (1992-1996'ish) |
09:39.31 | z00dax | prices in bexley / swanley / hextable / willmington are down about 30% on average |
09:39.40 | bilarh | is that asking prices? |
09:39.51 | z00dax | the smaller ones lesser so - but the million odd pound country homes are down upto 35% |
09:39.55 | z00dax | bilarh: yeah |
09:39.58 | bilarh | oh btw, if anyone is looking at rightmove, you *need* to install the property bee plugin |
09:40.04 | bilarh | www.property-bee.com |
09:40.06 | bilarh | it's fucking fantastic |
09:40.11 | bilarh | shows the rightmove history of a property |
09:40.15 | bilarh | when there were price reductions |
09:40.18 | bilarh | how long it's been on the market |
09:40.26 | z00dax | you can prolly get a 6 bed home, with an acre backyard on the darenth for under 450k |
09:40.26 | bilarh | what changes have been made to the descriptino etc etc |
09:40.43 | bilarh | brilliant for picking out houses that have been on the market for 6+ months (and there's *LOADS* of houses like that) |
09:41.14 | bilarh | z00dax: in london(ish) areas? |
09:41.25 | bilarh | swanley isn't too far from where i'm looking at the moment |
09:41.34 | bilarh | i'm sniffing around st mary cray, orpington |
09:41.46 | bilarh | and having bromley, chislehurst and hayes as a couple of dark horses |
09:41.58 | bilarh | although prices in the last three are a lot higher than in orpington'ish areas |
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09:44.15 | z00dax | foots cray -> swaney zone, sure. its only 10 min or less on the road from mary's cray |
09:44.38 | bilarh | what's your opinion on the general area around there? |
09:44.38 | z00dax | chislehurst has the other side of being a very slow moving area, most people living there own their place, and have done so for a long time. |
09:45.12 | z00dax | orpington is a dive, as is most of swanley. but there are nice areas in the middle. like petts wood. and the areas around chislehurst |
09:45.57 | z00dax | the other thing is that most of sidcup has a '5 - 11' score on propmatch, but if you look around, the south side of sidcup has some fairly nice places, and not very expensive |
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09:46.16 | bilarh | what's propmatch? |
09:46.29 | z00dax | its that thing that those thingies do with those things |
09:46.40 | bilarh | oh right |
09:46.41 | z00dax | acorn and experian mosaic mashed with some govt supplied data |
09:46.45 | bilarh | like acorn raintgs? |
09:51.29 | mindbendr | morning |
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10:02.24 | bilarh | interestingly, a 5 year fixed mortgage is only a teeny bit more expensive than a 2 year one |
10:07.27 | Leeds | I'm not quite sure how I managed it, but I seem to have a pretty good deal on my mortgage: base rate + 0.85% |
10:07.39 | bilarh | hehe good for you :) |
10:07.47 | bilarh | that's an ace deal :D |
10:08.11 | bilarh | are you looking at switching to a fixed at some point? |
10:08.13 | Leeds | it's amazing at the moment, but even when rates go higher it still seems to compare pretty well with fixed-rates |
10:08.33 | bilarh | i think rates could move quite a bit quite quickly, though |
10:09.27 | Leeds | well, what sort of fixed rates are available? |
10:09.51 | bilarh | depends on your ltv, but seeing as you've had your flat for a good while, i'd expect you'd be able to find something like 3.5% |
10:10.32 | Leeds | not too bad... I think I'll stay where I am for the moment :-) |
10:11.03 | Leeds | the rent coming in is almost exactly twice my current mortgage payment |
10:11.14 | bilarh | that's brilliant |
10:11.55 | Leeds | take off agents fees and so on and it's still working out pretty well |
10:12.36 | bilarh | does that mean you made a loss on the rent when baserates were like 5%? |
10:13.18 | Leeds | nope, but it was pretty close to break-even at that point |
10:13.30 | Leeds | maybe a small loss |
10:13.46 | Leeds | my rent was also higher last year, by a few % |
10:21.27 | bilarh | hmm, leeds bs are doing a 5.25% 5 year fix for 85% ltv |
10:21.36 | bilarh | that would almost be manageable |
10:21.48 | Leeds | ltv? |
10:21.54 | bilarh | loan to value |
10:22.09 | bilarh | i want to be in a position where *one* crap paying job will pay for the mortgage + bills, even if it'd be a struggle |
10:22.17 | bilarh | not where we'd both need to be working good jobs |
10:22.23 | Leeds | oh, I only need about 40%-45% unless I want to pull some value out :-) |
10:22.38 | bilarh | exactly, which is why you can get deals of about 3% fix :) |
10:26.26 | Leeds | ah, okay |
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10:27.23 | Leeds | anyway, hometime |
10:31.00 | DiscordianUK | Morning |
10:32.10 | bilarh | morn |
10:57.24 | z00dax | dont think I quite get the whole .tel thing |
10:59.50 | ChoHag | tel? |
10:59.57 | z00dax | www.nic.tel |
11:00.26 | z00dax | ofcourse you cant have an A record under that zone, so they dont have a website :) |
11:06.17 | ChoHag | The minimum number of characters in a .tel domain is 3 and the maximum number is 63 not including the .tel suffix. |
11:06.20 | ChoHag | Well that's clear. |
11:07.01 | kjs | Morning |
11:07.33 | ChoHag | It looks utterly pointless. |
11:07.51 | ChoHag | Largely because I can't see anything that's not in marketspeak. |
11:08.00 | z00dax | I am sure its a great idea - just store info in the domain record itself. but isnt that why god made websites ? |
11:10.33 | z00dax | how does one send a Stop+A over serial console to a netra machine ? |
11:10.38 | kjs | what happened to morsing? |
11:10.43 | wethrin | F5 is a break |
11:11.03 | z00dax | tries |
11:11.13 | z00dax | <PROTECTED> |
11:11.24 | z00dax | ^ thats what F5 in minicom gives me |
11:11.34 | wethrin | Oh, minicom....there should be a 'Send break' option somewhere |
11:12.08 | z00dax | ah. CTRL+A+F |
11:12.11 | z00dax | tries |
11:12.49 | ChoHag | CTRL+A F |
11:12.56 | ChoHag | Not +F |
11:14.01 | z00dax | yeah, that |
11:14.04 | z00dax | is not happy |
11:17.48 | z00dax | I wonder if this machine is somehow setup to not accept brk on serial con |
11:17.58 | wethrin | it's possible |
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11:22.26 | z00dax | ok, so there is such a setting :) |
11:22.30 | z00dax | I should stop looking then |
11:24.16 | wethrin | Which OS are you running? |
11:24.59 | z00dax | Linux |
11:25.13 | wethrin | Ah. I think that ignores serial console breaks |
11:25.16 | wethrin | OpenBSD does |
11:25.23 | z00dax | on both ends of the line, sparc on both ends too. a b1000 on one end and a t2000 on the other |
11:25.24 | wethrin | Solaris doesn't, by default |
11:25.37 | ChoHag | by default |
11:25.54 | z00dax | i need to powercycle the t2k |
11:26.05 | z00dax | <PROTECTED> |
11:26.07 | ChoHag | The few times I've allowed it to watch for brk I've ended up hanging the system when kicking the cable. |
11:26.19 | z00dax | thats what it does to me on login, since there is no disk under the hood. |
11:26.35 | ChoHag | Not at it physically? |
11:26.50 | ChoHag | It's an old one, but try '<CR>~.' |
11:26.58 | ChoHag | I think it's squiggle dot... |
11:27.13 | antiphase | Or ~# |
11:27.15 | wethrin | That's the ssh hangup |
11:27.53 | z00dax | ChoHag: no, the pair are in australia. and it could be weeks before anyone can get to the machines physically |
11:27.56 | ChoHag | Ah google suggests #. |
11:27.57 | Leeds | "As someone who has purchased or rated books by William Gibson, you might like to know that "Spook Country [Braille]: Grade 2" will be released on 2 April 2009." |
11:28.12 | wethrin | Amazon's great, innit? |
11:28.29 | Leeds | not entirely, in this case... |
11:28.29 | ChoHag | Leeds: Can you read braille? |
11:28.45 | z00dax | <PROTECTED> |
11:28.45 | z00dax | The following connections are open: |
11:28.45 | z00dax | <PROTECTED> |
11:29.02 | Leeds | no, I cannot |
11:29.03 | z00dax | not sure which end of the line is intercepting that |
11:29.07 | ChoHag | Shame. |
11:29.38 | ChoHag | z00dax: This random site said it's #., and that fits well with what I remember from the last time I had a sun. |
11:29.56 | ChoHag | That should get you the lom prompt. |
11:30.02 | z00dax | it does indeed |
11:30.04 | ChoHag | Can't remember how to get back to the os though. |
11:30.09 | z00dax | .lom> |
11:30.12 | ChoHag | Not that you'll need to. |
11:30.27 | z00dax | fecking chickens |
11:30.37 | z00dax | its the wrong machine. the T2k isnt on serial con :( |
11:30.42 | z00dax | epicfail |
11:30.54 | ChoHag | Hah! |
11:34.01 | wethrin | Har |
11:34.03 | Leeds | ??? |
11:34.10 | Leeds | yay, unicode Braille :-) |
11:44.30 | wethrin | Ahh, Juergen Schinker..... failing to realise that putting the last bit of cable from exchange to house is not a cheap task |
11:52.12 | antiphase | I'm so glad I don't have to read that fuckwit's retarded arrogant nonsense any more |
11:54.06 | wethrin | have you unsubscribed, then? |
11:54.30 | ChoHag | But phone lines should be free! |
11:54.39 | ChoHag | It's a RIGHT. |
11:54.48 | antiphase | Some months ago, after another ridiculous job advert thread |
11:55.21 | wethrin | Ahhh. I think people seem to object to others finding a job |
11:55.31 | antiphase | So it would appear |
11:55.57 | wethrin | "Oh, you want to pay a sysadmin less than 1 BEEEEEEEELION POUNDS a year? Hahahahaha, good luck finding someone. HAhahaa" |
11:56.28 | wethrin | I guess these people would rather be underemployed than have a job for £25k |
11:56.44 | antiphase | "Oh btw you sent the job adverts to the wrong list without [OMGJOB] in the title. Can't you read the AUP/EULA/crap on some other website that's unrelated??????" |
11:57.31 | wethrin | "Don't post anything that's outside Zone 1, because it might be hard for two people to get to1!!!!" |
11:57.46 | ChoHag | Actually I applied for that. |
11:57.52 | wethrin | y'know, Reading might be quite convenient for some people |
11:58.01 | ChoHag | Might be an agency, and in Reading, but hey. It's better than a kick in the teeth. |
11:58.09 | ChoHag | And better than wasting away in this hellhole. |
11:58.13 | wethrin | quite |
11:58.23 | wethrin | Reading's fairly accessible if you're west of London |
11:58.42 | ChoHag | Takes ~45 minutes in the car with empty roads. |
11:58.54 | kjs | just get the train? |
11:58.59 | ChoHag | And I'll have a bike ASAP so every road is effectively an empty road. |
11:59.02 | wethrin | eh, if you're happy to commute it |
11:59.10 | ChoHag | 1.5 hrs on a train. |
11:59.13 | ChoHag | On two trains. |
11:59.19 | Leeds | ah, maybe on a bike - but surely it would cost quite a lot in a car? |
11:59.25 | ChoHag | Plus getting into Surbiton and out of the station at that end. |
11:59.51 | kjs | no, i go through reading on my way back to Bath from Pad every time? |
11:59.53 | ChoHag | Probably. When I get a car it is should be used only for shipping around my as-yet nonexistent kids and shopping. |
12:00.11 | ChoHag | kjs: So you live and/or work in Paddington station? |
12:00.35 | kjs | true, I guess you have to bare getting the tube to pad. |
12:00.48 | Leeds | do not get the tube bare! |
12:00.48 | wethrin | ChoHag++ # Gllug post |
12:01.37 | ChoHag | kjs: Does that make it cheaper? |
12:01.43 | wethrin | disappears off |
12:17.15 | Mohan | Is anyone coming for gllug meet on coming 28th ? |
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12:24.45 | cityLights1 | hi all |
12:25.58 | cityLights1 | if any one uses iptables: can I use QOS without filtering accoring to the MARK? |
12:26.57 | cityLights1 | I mean: does this script work: http://rafb.net/p/KSgRRL12.html |
12:30.04 | DiscordianUK | It wouldn't work on my system , what's ebegin do? |
12:45.31 | cityLights1 | it is a init script in getnoo, please see only waht is in start |
12:45.48 | cityLights1 | I think that I must filter to get it working |
12:46.15 | cityLights1 | otherwise I am just setting up the structure , but not using it |
12:47.34 | DiscordianUK | No idea about gentoo init perhaps ask over on #gentoo ? |
12:57.10 | cityLights1 | I am not asking abou the gentoo thing , I am only asking if the commands in there with tc will work |
12:57.13 | cityLights1 | or is the tc filter commands needed |
13:11.27 | z00dax | Mohan: I plan on being there |
13:15.20 | rhowe | Anyone got any favourite terminal server hardware? |
13:15.29 | rhowe | needs to replace a server which is used for accessing a few serial consoles |
13:15.51 | rhowe | There are apparently some nice little boxes which have lots of serial ports for connecting to stuff and which allow you to SSH in etc |
13:20.11 | DiscordianUK | I've used Cyclades ones |
13:21.10 | cpufreak | I've got an acs48 here |
13:22.20 | rhowe | Any good? |
13:22.37 | cpufreak | well yes but I've not turned it on in 4 yrs |
13:22.52 | rhowe | heh |
13:23.11 | rhowe | I'm just looking for something I can SSH to really |
13:23.37 | rhowe | if it has a web interface with a java applet for console access then that's even better, but the main thing is SSH |
13:24.50 | cpufreak | cyclades have ssh |
13:25.32 | rhowe | I think someone was recommending Avocent to me too |
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13:25.52 | Mohan | z00dax: I will be there as well, if possible we can meet up there. |
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13:57.02 | rhowe | whee |
13:57.04 | rhowe | bye bye IIS |
14:03.05 | AndyMillar | i would come on the 28th, but i'm in newcastle :( |
14:04.26 | ChoHag | That's in 2 days. |
14:04.39 | ChoHag | Why do interesting things always happen at the same time? |
14:04.45 | ChoHag | mutually exclusive interesting things |
14:05.31 | AndyMillar | because life sucks? |
14:11.26 | ChoHag | Being religious and not disagreeing with the theory of evolution really freaks people out. |
14:11.47 | catalyst | oh no! non-conformity! |
14:14.07 | Mohan | Suse 64bit on a normal restart shows no of transactions replayed, fs=reiserfs. its on a brand new harddisk replaced like 2 days back. |
14:14.14 | Mohan | could there be a reason for it ? |
14:18.26 | AndyMillar | :/ |
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17:33.00 | ChoHag | http://notalwaysright.com/murphys-law-and-customers-do-not-mix/996 |
17:42.31 | AndyMillar | heh |
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