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04:05.34 | DiscordianUK | re |
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07:05.33 | morsing | j0nr! |
07:06.13 | j0nr | morning |
07:12.59 | ChoHag | Heh. Pictures of the damaged fibre from yesterday's enta net outage. |
07:33.19 | morsing | !! |
07:33.24 | morsing | Outage? Where? |
07:33.32 | ChoHag | Here. |
07:36.58 | hali | single isp? |
07:37.02 | hali | no bgp_ |
07:37.55 | morsing | "here" :) Einstein would have loved that |
07:38.06 | morsing | My Internet was fine |
07:45.42 | ChoHag | Anyone who resells Enta. |
07:45.54 | ChoHag | And possibly NTL as apparently that's their carrier at that point. |
07:46.25 | ChoHag | Unless ntl stands for something relevant. |
07:47.04 | morsing | works for NTL |
07:47.24 | morsing | ChoHag: What does this mean: |
07:47.24 | morsing | setsid: Operation not permitted. |
07:48.15 | ChoHag | It means your're not allowed to setsid. |
07:48.30 | morsing | Nice |
07:48.41 | morsing | What did I change to cause this? |
07:49.01 | hali | change the group permissions of a user? |
07:50.15 | bilarh | man setsid |
07:50.28 | hali | bilarh: troll! |
07:50.35 | bilarh | although, to be honest, i don't actually understand the man page |
07:51.08 | morsing | hali: You might have a point... |
07:51.47 | morsing | No, that looks fine and I didn't change that |
07:52.00 | morsing | twbis005s# man setsid |
07:52.00 | morsing | Manual entry for setsid not found or not installed. |
07:53.07 | ChoHag | apt-get install manpages-dev |
07:53.15 | morsing | idiot |
07:55.57 | bilarh | ERRORS |
07:55.58 | bilarh | <PROTECTED> |
07:55.58 | bilarh | <PROTECTED> |
07:55.58 | bilarh | <PROTECTED> |
07:56.20 | morsing | Nice |
07:56.28 | morsing | All I did was upgrading ssh... |
07:56.40 | bilarh | clearly you shouldn't have done that :D |
07:56.47 | morsing | I know... |
07:56.54 | bilarh | have you tried running as root? |
07:57.04 | morsing | I can't run - too fat |
07:57.22 | bilarh | apt-get install tesco-dietplan |
07:57.24 | morsing | I've got priviledge seperation and strictmodes enabled |
07:58.02 | bilarh | priv separation sounds like something applicable to this, no? |
07:58.05 | morsing | What changed between 3.8 and 5.0? Surely can't be that much? |
07:58.15 | morsing | bilarh: Could be, but I've always run that |
07:58.19 | bilarh | honestly, i don't quite understand the concept of "process groups", so can't help |
07:59.04 | bilarh | so it goes wrong when? |
07:59.10 | morsing | Oh cool, 5.0 can set config per user |
07:59.10 | bilarh | when you try to ssh into the box? |
07:59.19 | bilarh | http://monkey.org/openbsd/archive/tech/0206/msg00301.html |
07:59.44 | morsing | No, ssh itself works fine but if the ADMCHG flag is set on the account it fails when trying to fork the passwd change process |
08:01.11 | morsing | It does log me in though but hangs trying to change session whatever that is |
08:01.36 | morsing | debug1: session_input_channel_req: session 0 req shell |
08:06.39 | morsing | Change PriviledgeSeperation but didn't help |
08:06.42 | morsing | Changed |
08:06.51 | Mohan | morning |
08:07.03 | bilarh | start-up time is getting close for my car :D |
08:07.09 | bilarh | morsing: ^^ |
08:07.19 | bilarh | the one with the turbo from the boat |
08:07.24 | morsing | Mohan! |
08:07.24 | bilarh | or small ship, i mean |
08:07.33 | Mohan | morsing! |
08:07.37 | Mohan | how are you ? |
08:07.38 | morsing | bilarh: :( |
08:07.40 | bilarh | just building the last parts of the exhaust now |
08:07.42 | morsing | Not good :( |
08:07.53 | bilarh | then i've still got to connect the external wastegate to the exhaust side (manifold done) |
08:08.08 | bilarh | but after that, i can actuall turn the engine over :) |
08:08.15 | Mohan | bilarh: Are you doing it by yourself ? |
08:08.19 | bilarh | oh i need to make the oil drain from the turbo too |
08:08.20 | bilarh | mohan: yep |
08:08.54 | Mohan | thats cool. |
08:09.08 | morsing | :( |
08:09.10 | morsing | :'( |
08:09.14 | bilarh | after i've turned the engine over, i'll hook up the intercooler too hopefully :) |
08:09.16 | bilarh | and then mapping |
08:09.22 | bilarh | mosrinG: what you crying about? |
08:10.02 | morsing | :'( |
08:12.23 | Mohan | morsing: http://www.pickthebrain.com/blog/energy-the-key-to-success/ |
08:12.53 | Mohan | have a look at that webpage, it has got some intresting facts. |
08:13.48 | morsing | Ok, there's a patch out for this - it's a bug |
08:15.58 | morsing | Mohan: Does it have interesting facts about silly bugs in OpenSSH? |
08:21.59 | Mohan | morsing: you can read and find it out. |
08:34.51 | hali | fucking protesters, should be shot |
08:35.03 | Leeds | hali: don't worry, I'm sure they will be |
08:35.12 | hali | the government should do something |
08:35.25 | hali | just load them up in trucks and send them off |
08:35.50 | Leeds | that'll probably happen soon as well |
08:37.26 | bilarh | hali: *nnnnnnnnnghhhh* |
08:37.36 | bilarh | is struggling not to go into a rant |
08:38.02 | hali | bilarh: the government will save us! |
08:38.03 | morsing | Beer |
08:38.24 | bilarh | beer will save us |
08:38.57 | hali | don't be such a hippie |
09:11.58 | wethrin | mmm, beer |
09:15.43 | morsing | Cawfy is hot - OpenSSH is not... |
09:22.27 | wethrin | other sshes exist |
09:22.37 | morsing | They do... |
09:22.55 | morsing | But getting a fairly new version is always a problem |
09:23.17 | morsing | And compiling it yourself usually means coding the ADMCHG stuff yourself |
09:24.13 | wethrin | true |
10:06.09 | morsing | londo! |
10:41.23 | morsing | \o/ |
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11:00.03 | ChoHag | Shall I have chinese for lunch and potentially lie to my wife, or have sandwiches and continue to be hungry until dinner? |
11:00.42 | wethrin | Have Chinese. You'll be hungry again soon after, so that's okay |
11:01.02 | ChoHag | No the chinese here's pretty good when it comes to bulk. |
11:02.46 | wethrin | hm |
11:04.28 | cpufreak | tell your wife her sandwiches suck |
11:04.30 | cpufreak | and aren't enough |
11:05.06 | ChoHag | She didn't make any today - I'd have to buy them from M&S. |
11:05.13 | ChoHag | Or the terrible cafe over the road |
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11:08.53 | z00dax | if anyone is looking for hosting / colo in london - I highly recommend the coreix.net guys |
11:14.10 | hali | z00dax: do they have their own facility or leech of someone else? |
11:14.27 | z00dax | they have a large chunk of the vsnl setup in Stratford, above the chipshop |
11:14.59 | wethrin | How much are they? |
11:15.23 | z00dax | I shifted about 2.8 TiB out of their network in 5 hrs |
11:15.55 | z00dax | and can get 22MB/sec from there to the hetzner.de setup in Germany and about 18MB/sec into theplanet US |
11:16.45 | hali | nice |
11:17.49 | hali | fuck, did tata buy vsnl |
11:18.45 | z00dax | long time back that was |
11:19.13 | z00dax | thankfully they got rid of all the wierdo's who used to run vsnl |
11:21.03 | z00dax | wethrin: http://www.coreix.net/colo/byserver/ |
11:21.31 | wethrin | Eh. Bit pricy for me. |
11:21.41 | wethrin | £60 isn't quite worth a colo |
11:22.06 | z00dax | really ? |
11:22.19 | wethrin | Not to me |
11:22.22 | wethrin | £50 is about my limit |
11:22.31 | wethrin | Above that, I may as well go for a virtual machine |
11:29.26 | z00dax | I tend to think of colo as the best option for odd stuff, like to put 2x1.5TiB drives and use as a backup space |
11:30.52 | wethrin | I don't need quite that much :) |
11:39.57 | morsing | bilarh: |
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11:40.09 | morsing | z00dax! |
11:40.40 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
11:40.52 | dick_turpin | morsing: :-) |
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11:43.18 | morsing | Feck man, OpenSSH still support this stuff: |
11:43.20 | morsing | #ifdef _UNICOS |
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11:43.20 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
11:43.20 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
11:43.23 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
11:43.25 | morsing | #endif |
11:47.26 | hali | yes, why not? |
11:47.30 | hali | lots of cray's around |
11:50.05 | z00dax | morsing: ! |
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11:55.33 | morsing | hali: Not really |
11:55.45 | hali | really |
11:55.51 | morsing | hali: Not really |
11:56.10 | hali | similar to i/os ... lots of legacy systems around |
11:56.23 | morsing | i/os? |
11:56.59 | hali | or do they call it i5/os this month? |
12:00.24 | morsing | That's not a legacy system, still being developed and sold |
12:05.15 | hali | it's very legacy |
12:05.22 | hali | cray is still being developed and sold too |
12:05.40 | z00dax | who owns them these days ? |
12:06.34 | morsing | hali: How many Cray's do you think there are in Britain? Also, you have a slightly incorrect understanding of legacy |
12:06.49 | morsing | iPods are legacy, btw |
12:07.05 | hali | few hundred cray's in the uk i would guess |
12:07.13 | hali | few thousand as400's |
12:07.23 | morsing | So not a lot compared to iSeries I'd think |
12:07.36 | hali | im not talking numbers |
12:08.02 | wethrin | what's your definition of a legacy system, then, morsing? |
12:08.08 | hali | im just saying both are still in use and there is no reason openssh should drop unicos support as long as someone is willing to maintain it (and cray do i would imagine) |
12:08.24 | hali | s/in use/in use an dying/g |
12:09.17 | morsing | I know but they're specifically supporting OpenSSH for Cray but everytime they release a new version someone has to point ADMCHG flag out to them so they can "fix" it. Everytime - and there are many thousands systems in the UK alone. That's annoying... It's the same routine they have to put in everytime, what goes wrong? |
12:09.40 | morsing | wethrin: iPod is a legacy system |
12:09.47 | hali | then IBM should contribute with a fix? |
12:09.54 | morsing | Legacy is something that;s out of development and support |
12:09.56 | wethrin | morsing: That is not what I asked |
12:10.08 | wethrin | And iPods are still being developed |
12:10.19 | morsing | wethrin: So is iSeries and Cray |
12:10.25 | morsing | So why the difference? |
12:10.26 | wethrin | right.... |
12:10.31 | wethrin | so why do you say the iPod is a legacy system? |
12:10.38 | wethrin | given it doesn't fit with your definition |
12:10.44 | morsing | Because hali said iSeries were legacy |
12:10.52 | morsing | I was being sarchastic |
12:11.16 | hali | iseries is only developed so people don't migrate their stuff to linux |
12:11.22 | hali | they've scrapped the hardware line already |
12:11.32 | morsing | wethrin: But you always turn against me as a matter of principle. Why, I'll never understand... |
12:11.34 | hali | and run it on basic p6 boxes |
12:11.48 | morsing | hali: They haven't. They merged it |
12:11.54 | morsing | "basic"??? |
12:12.03 | hali | yes, very basic hardware, pc's with remote access cards |
12:12.15 | morsing | lol :) You really are extremely dumb |
12:12.59 | hali | that's not very nice to say |
12:14.13 | hali | i may be winding you up for being a narrow minded bigot |
12:15.39 | bilarh | well, i never :D |
12:15.44 | morsing | Erm... Yeah, because Linux users or people here are never narrow minded... |
12:15.57 | hali | usually not |
12:16.02 | morsing | Right... |
12:17.30 | hali | unless we are talking about the black coat perl mongers |
12:17.42 | hali | they redefine narrow minded |
12:19.10 | morsing | Most Linux users I come across are narrow minded. They only know Linux and think it's so brilliant that they will even start arguing it's better than something they have no knowledge about. |
12:20.21 | bilarh | fight, fight, fight |
12:20.28 | bilarh | puts through the windows at a nearby rbs branch |
12:20.28 | morsing | bilarh: Not really - grow up |
12:21.11 | morsing | bilarh: Do you think it's sensible to say A is better than B when you've never even seen B? |
12:22.50 | dick_turpin | sells tickets |
12:24.20 | z00dax | morsing: that is true to quite an extent - most linux users have only otherwise used windows or in some cases macos.. |
12:24.32 | z00dax | but thats fine. the fact that they can use linux now, is a good win. |
12:25.06 | z00dax | its reasonable to argue that perhaps *some*BSD might have been the option instead of linux today - but BSD's just were not going to make it - thats a long discussion in itself |
12:25.37 | morsing | z00dax: I never said otherwise - but can you maybe a little bit understand I find it annoying constantly having teenage Linux twats shout at me how brilliant Linux is compared to everything else when all they know is Windows and Linux? |
12:25.57 | z00dax | morsing: absolutely. I see and hear that too |
12:27.12 | z00dax | so whats the opensolaris to run on sparc h/w these days ? it seems their own opensolaris release is all x86 only |
12:31.13 | bilarh | z00dax: bsd's suck from a driver point of view, or at least used to do |
12:31.35 | ChoHag | So, on April the 24th I will either be out of a job or forced to give two rather than one month's notice. |
12:31.57 | bilarh | morsing: i hear what you're saying, but honestly I don't think anyone will say that hali "just knows linux and windows" ;-) |
12:32.02 | ChoHag | Can I find a new job in 3 weeks? |
12:33.04 | bilarh | chohag: what's the market like? |
12:33.19 | ChoHag | Shit. |
12:34.01 | morsing | bilarh: NEither do I - More than a decade of solid Linux & AIX, add to that a couple of painful years of Solaris, a year or so involvinig HP/UX and SCO plus playing around with BSD and running BSD server for about four years. I think I am justified when I speak up... |
12:34.09 | z00dax | morsing: you do need to admit though that these days, linux is pretty much all there is out there on the *nix front. |
12:34.25 | morsing | z00dax: No - you're being narrow minded as well now |
12:34.29 | z00dax | in most cases, IBM only gets business in the large sector based around their work on linux |
12:34.40 | z00dax | morsing: well, I am only talking about what I see in the markets. |
12:34.41 | morsing | z00dax: That's absolutely untrue |
12:35.02 | morsing | z00dax: You're in the wrong markets - pSeries sells more and more - it's a very big market |
12:35.09 | z00dax | well, IBM has 1 order in China in 2008 for an aix installed app - they had 1800+ on Linux |
12:35.23 | morsing | China is the wrong market then |
12:35.27 | z00dax | morsing: IBM makes the powerpc chip in a part time production faciltiy |
12:35.30 | morsing | No |
12:35.38 | z00dax | they dont even have enough business to keep their setup running 24/7 |
12:35.48 | morsing | I don't believe that - prove it |
12:35.49 | z00dax | sony dont buy the cell from IBM anymore :) so you cant include that |
12:36.54 | z00dax | morsing: i can prolly dig up info on this |
12:37.09 | morsing | Nice |
12:37.17 | z00dax | even ABB moved from aix in the last few years for their train management systems. |
12:37.38 | z00dax | although they did move to windows :) |
12:38.29 | hali | z00dax: they can't run opensolaris on sparc since they can't open source lots of old hardware drivers due to stupid contracts |
12:38.41 | morsing | z00dax: "even"? |
12:39.20 | z00dax | hali: ah... |
12:39.51 | bilarh | we're moving away from all unixes onto linux as well |
12:39.55 | z00dax | morsing: train / electric control systems have been a large AIX market for decades. ABB has been their biggest 'partner' |
12:39.59 | bilarh | we've got about 10000 servers worldwide |
12:40.07 | z00dax | hali: so whats the best option ? |
12:40.29 | hali | z00dax: Solaris Express Developer edition run on sparc and is fairly up to date |
12:40.32 | z00dax | also, i need to find out what sort of a cdrom / dvdrom this blade1k can take |
12:40.38 | z00dax | looks |
12:40.49 | hali | i have one i think if you want a sparc dvd |
12:41.09 | hali | i've got a 420r in a corner, dog slow cpu's though |
12:41.32 | z00dax | I've got a blade1000 here, quite nice . works usable speeds etc. but I've lost the root passwd for this thing |
12:43.06 | z00dax | there seems to be something called OpenSolaris 2008.11 SPARC EA |
12:51.22 | ChoHag | Anybody know asuffield? |
12:51.38 | ChoHag | He has a nifty-looking patch Debian has been asking him for years to transfer copyright of. |
13:13.28 | z00dax | patch on what |
13:14.17 | ChoHag | certtool in gnutls |
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13:17.28 | z00dax | dogtag! |
13:17.45 | z00dax | although, I need to find something large / involved enough to justify that sort of an install |
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13:53.34 | bilarh | for charity, naturally |
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14:09.11 | Nafallo | bilarh: depends on where I guess ;-) |
14:09.27 | bilarh | well, no point in paying for shaving my balls, i already do that :) |
14:12.44 | ChoHag | Since when was this 4chan? |
14:14.11 | cpufreak | can we opt for hair burning |
14:14.19 | cpufreak | rather than shaving? |
14:14.39 | bilarh | chohag: 4chan? :) |
14:14.53 | bilarh | cpufreak: hrm, that slot is already booked in for when i start the engine :S |
14:14.58 | ChoHag | Whicheverchan. |
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