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07:02.37 | ChoHag | Woo! Another day. |
07:08.59 | Leeds | is nearly over! |
08:41.42 | Mohan | morning |
08:49.04 | hali | GOINK! |
08:49.54 | bilarh | is that the noise a capitalist swine noise whilst eating from the through makes? :D |
08:49.59 | bilarh | is on form today :D |
08:50.14 | bilarh | becuase it's Friday - all day! |
08:50.27 | hali | no, it's Dogberts favorite word when firing grunts... so not far off actually :-) |
08:50.37 | bilarh | if you don't come to protest, protest comes to you! |
08:50.49 | hali | http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-03-23/ |
08:51.18 | hali | plus, who are you to talk about capitalists |
08:51.24 | hali | you work for an evil oil company :-) |
08:51.46 | hali | your fortune is built on killing seals |
08:52.07 | bilarh | little baby ones |
08:52.16 | bilarh | that is my moral dilemma :) |
08:52.29 | bilarh | first i worked for a bank, but it wasn't quite evil enoughh |
08:52.33 | bilarh | then it was internet gambling |
08:52.37 | bilarh | slightly more evil |
08:52.47 | bilarh | but when i joined an oil company, i felt that I had *arrived* :D |
08:52.55 | hali | yes |
08:53.04 | bilarh | nah i'm not against capitalism |
08:53.07 | hali | all i do is help banks create toxic assets :P |
08:53.18 | Leeds | we had one of our google ads banned because it was for unlicensed gambling :-) |
08:53.23 | bilarh | i'm against socialising losses and privatising profits |
08:53.33 | bilarh | so in a way, i'm more pure capitalist than that swiney government we have |
08:53.33 | hali | something like 75% of all junk securities issued in the last 10 years is issued in our systems |
08:54.02 | hali | looks at the Bank Of England 500bn bond :) |
08:54.14 | bilarh | printy printy |
08:54.36 | bilarh | mind you, that's not printing at all |
08:54.38 | bilarh | that's borrowing |
08:54.49 | bilarh | i don't have *such* a problem with the bank of england issuing bonds |
08:54.54 | bilarh | i.e. the govt |
08:55.05 | hali | good spread |
08:55.13 | bilarh | but when it's just "here's a bunch of money we created (i.e. not borrowed) it gets silly" |
08:55.18 | hali | so good if you buy them, bad'ish if you are a tax payer |
08:55.20 | bilarh | although i do have a problem with government borrowing too |
08:56.13 | hali | we get paid in structured products issued by ourselves based on zero coupons with a ftse tracker slapped on top |
08:56.52 | hali | not sure about the currency though |
08:57.03 | hali | it's all russian rubels, all issued before the revolution |
08:57.51 | bilarh | the coming one? :) |
08:58.23 | hali | the one in 1917 |
09:00.31 | hali | they could do with another one actually |
09:01.16 | bilarh | *we* could do with one |
09:01.52 | bilarh | as an aside, in the uk today, i could in theory be shot by the police for the above statement |
09:02.49 | ChoHag | When do you plan on doing that? |
09:03.09 | Leeds | being shot? |
09:05.28 | ChoHag | Yeah. |
09:29.03 | bilarh | anyone still thinking you have a right to legally protest without the police trying to stop you or attacking you should watch this: http://london.indymedia.org.uk/videos/993 |
09:29.36 | Leeds | why would anyone thing anything as naive as that? |
09:29.52 | bilarh | because apparently it's the law? |
09:30.15 | bilarh | and almost everyone i speak to about these issues think you can still have a legal peaceful protest, but clearly it's not possible |
09:30.56 | Leeds | ha ha, 'law' |
09:31.14 | Leeds | laws like that don't apply during a time of war |
09:31.15 | bilarh | well, i've realised for some time now that there isn't 'law' as such anymore |
09:31.29 | ChoHag | There is. |
09:31.32 | wethrin | inter arma enim silent leges |
09:31.33 | bilarh | but, most people are still under the delusion that there are |
09:31.33 | ChoHag | They need something to get you with. |
09:31.35 | wethrin | or something similar to that |
09:31.44 | Leeds | you know places like Zimbabwe which have been in a state of emergency for 25 years? |
09:32.09 | bilarh | leeds: that's a moot point. just because somewhere else is even more draconian doesn't make it right to be draconian here |
09:32.41 | Leeds | bilarh: my point is that when you're in an unwinnable war (or two) one of the side effects is an excuse to suspend the rule of law |
09:33.15 | bilarh | anyhow, the world's gone completely insane |
09:33.26 | bilarh | there is no war in england |
09:33.32 | bilarh | apart from the "war on terror" bogeyman |
09:33.44 | wethrin | hey, only TErrrrrrrrrists take photos, y'know |
09:33.57 | bilarh | i want to start a "war on gardening" as we discussed earlier |
09:34.21 | Leeds | The War Against Terror! |
09:34.50 | bilarh | maybe a "war against the war against terror" :) |
09:35.01 | ChoHag | Wat wat? |
09:35.04 | wethrin | So, one thing I don't get (amongst many) with this whole campaign against photography........ why would terrrrists use big SLR cameras, which draw attention to themselves, rather than using a small mobile phone camera? |
09:35.35 | wethrin | given people have been asked to move on swiftly, when using a DSLR |
09:35.38 | ChoHag | wethrin: Because it makes it easier for a vigilant mob to spot them. |
09:35.44 | wethrin | pah |
09:35.49 | hali | whats wrong here? http://193.41.118.40/test/ubuntu.jpg :-) |
09:35.56 | wethrin | hali: No DNS |
09:35.57 | wethrin | HTH |
09:36.10 | wethrin | hehe |
09:36.16 | hali | i don't want to expose the porno domain i actually have |
09:36.38 | hali | fine, http://emma.dnsdrift.net/test/ubuntu.jpg |
09:36.39 | bilarh | hehe |
09:37.20 | ChoHag | Yeah reverse dns totally didn't work. |
09:38.08 | hali | blimey, i have reverse |
09:38.15 | hali | didn't even know that |
09:38.41 | hali | it's a box hidden in a closet at a company i used to work for 6 years ago :) |
09:39.03 | wethrin | heh |
09:57.18 | bilarh | spring bounce in house prices are over |
09:57.25 | bilarh | halifax down 1.9% m-o-m |
09:57.41 | bilarh | i remember what a real spring bounce used to be like when i was a kid |
09:57.47 | bilarh | none of this one day nonsense |
09:58.57 | wethrin | Nationwide said different. So, mneh. |
10:00.05 | bilarh | that's what i meant |
10:00.09 | bilarh | that was out yesterday |
10:00.13 | bilarh | spring bounce started then |
10:00.15 | bilarh | then it ended today :D |
10:00.40 | bilarh | the hali + nationwide indexes are becoming increasingly volatile it seems |
10:00.58 | bilarh | nobody is borrowing from them now because their rates are so much higher than what you can get somewhere else |
10:01.03 | bilarh | so their sample size must be tiny |
10:01.06 | wethrin | even Nationwide? |
10:01.07 | wethrin | Eh |
10:01.25 | bilarh | hang on, let me find the rates |
10:01.59 | wethrin | okay, they're probably not the cheapest around |
10:02.05 | bilarh | oh actually |
10:02.09 | bilarh | they're not too bad anymore |
10:02.20 | bilarh | oh no |
10:02.20 | bilarh | sorry |
10:02.21 | bilarh | they are |
10:02.24 | bilarh | i read the wrong number |
10:02.35 | bilarh | 5 year fix @ 6.68% for an 85% ltv |
10:02.52 | bilarh | e.g. leeds bs or britannia do a 5 year fix with same ltv for 5.2% |
10:03.21 | bilarh | and you haev to pay an arrangement fee of 995 with nationwide and it's only 160 with e.g. leeds |
10:03.51 | Leeds | do I? |
10:03.58 | bilarh | not you persoanlly, fool :) |
10:04.29 | Leeds | I still call it the Leeds and Holbeck anyway :-) |
10:05.14 | bilarh | leeds and holbeck |
10:05.16 | bilarh | who are they? |
10:07.03 | ChoHag | 4.89% fixed to 2014. |
10:07.11 | Leeds | they are what the Leeds used to be |
10:07.18 | Leeds | I've had an account with them for around 30 years |
10:08.00 | bilarh | chohag: at what ltv? |
10:08.05 | bilarh | leeds: ah ok |
10:08.11 | bilarh | leeds: damn how old are you? :D |
10:08.15 | bilarh | gramps ;) |
10:08.56 | ChoHag | I can't remember. 75 I think. |
10:09.33 | bilarh | hmm, i'm guessing most 1st time buyers will fall into the 85% bracket |
10:09.43 | bilarh | we certainly are, and we've been saving for what seems like ages :S |
10:10.24 | ChoHag | Abbey will pay PMS a fee of £567.00 if ... |
10:10.24 | Leeds | slightly over 30 |
10:10.33 | ChoHag | So if I get it at the right time of the month I get money off? |
10:39.49 | ChoHag | Can perl be made to interpolate variables in a qw// construct? |
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11:23.08 | antiphase | I'm not sure why you'd want to |
11:24.55 | ChoHag | @command=qw/echo this is a $variable command/; |
11:25.10 | antiphase | You could emulate it with something like '@foo = split /\s/, "$var1 $var2 something else";' |
11:25.57 | ChoHag | But then I might as well just pass system a scalar. |
11:26.50 | antiphase | Do that then. It's better to have something obvious that works than something that tries to be clever for no reason |
11:27.14 | ChoHag | Except that if I pass a scalar I have to worry about escaping. |
11:27.28 | ChoHag | So I build an array the old fashioned way. |
11:27.56 | antiphase | What are you expecting to have to escape? |
11:28.07 | ChoHag | shrugs |
11:28.11 | ChoHag | Whatever the user provides. |
11:28.28 | antiphase | Just sanitise it first then, and throw an error if they try any funny business |
11:29.32 | antiphase | I don't think the behaviour of system will be manifestly different if you pass it a scalar or an array, which is just a list of scalars at the end of the day |
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12:04.38 | bilarh | dick face! |
12:05.03 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Whey hey you wobble bottom |
12:18.57 | eye69 | argh...damn the manufacturers for using different chipsets without changing the model name |
12:43.53 | dick_turpin | ibot: hit bilarh |
12:43.54 | bilarh | i want a car pc |
12:43.54 | bilarh | anyone got one? |
12:44.15 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I read about a bloke who had a server in the boot of his car used it as a media centre ffs! |
12:44.34 | wethrin | that's gotta be good for the hard disks.... |
12:44.42 | DiscordianUK | There's a guy at Sun who has two E450s in his car boot |
12:45.00 | DiscordianUK | Uses them to play Mp3s |
12:45.12 | dick_turpin | I think he set up one of those spring stabilising systems |
12:45.24 | wethrin | He must have quite a large car, then |
12:45.27 | wethrin | E450s ain't small |
12:45.36 | DiscordianUK | Indeed they're not |
12:45.46 | DiscordianUK | He had power issues too |
12:45.52 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Laugh of the day, interested? |
12:45.57 | bilarh | hehe like an articulated lorry :D |
12:45.58 | wethrin | Go on |
12:46.02 | wethrin | Want to share it with everyone else? |
12:46.13 | dick_turpin | Yeah |
12:46.22 | j0nr | if i have a number of channels set up to autojoin when i start up irssi, i then close one of those windows, /layout save....will that overwrite my conf and loose that autoloading function? |
12:46.25 | wethrin | yay |
12:47.02 | dick_turpin | wethrin: So the one idiot boss (sits opposite me) was doing something on a clients server this morning |
12:47.10 | wethrin | sounds ominous already |
12:47.13 | dick_turpin | Ran some sort of batch file |
12:48.20 | dick_turpin | which promptly opened 700 and rising windows on the server, you could literally hear his sphincter twitching |
12:48.39 | wethrin | err. Did he not check to see what the batch file was? |
12:48.58 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Your just being silly now |
12:49.17 | dick_turpin | He couldn't stop it for ages |
12:49.38 | dick_turpin | I wa witing for the customer to ring "Me Servers on fire" |
12:50.26 | dick_turpin | He managed to open another terminal session and kill it. Boo |
12:50.28 | ChoHag | Kevin: Everyone's name is in this hat. Whoever's gets picked gets to go to the team leader briefing in 10 minutes. |
12:50.33 | ChoHag | Guess whose name got picked. |
12:50.37 | wethrin | Yours! |
12:50.43 | dick_turpin | Huzzah |
12:50.46 | ChoHag | Kevin's. |
12:50.46 | wethrin | Does this mean you get to play team leader? |
12:50.51 | wethrin | Heh |
12:50.59 | ChoHag | Thankfully no. |
12:51.01 | bilarh | if you do, fire everyone really quickly :D |
12:51.03 | bilarh | oh :9 |
12:51.04 | ChoHag | I wouldn't wish that on anyone. |
12:51.04 | wethrin | dick_turpin: So, what *Did* the batch system do? |
12:52.09 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I'm not sure, basically he wants to sync two folders. I said use rsync with some sort of batch file using task manager. But then what would I know |
12:52.26 | ChoHag | Not enterprisey enough. |
12:52.27 | wethrin | rsync |
12:52.36 | wethrin | You could use Enterprise Rsync |
12:52.41 | ChoHag | No XML. No Java. No MS. |
12:52.44 | wethrin | which'd be rsync that costs lots of money |
12:52.48 | ChoHag | Definitely no wooden table. |
12:53.42 | dick_turpin | wethrin: He wants a freebie so that he doesn't have to do it manually. TBH I don't care its another bodge up freebie cock up of his |
12:54.58 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I rarely let him near any of my deals, well I want customers to come back don't I? |
12:55.18 | wethrin | Yes. You do want to charge people as much as possible :) |
12:55.31 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Exactly |
12:57.18 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Did a good little deal yesterday |
12:57.23 | wethrin | oh yes? |
12:57.45 | dick_turpin | Stole a powernet customer |
12:57.49 | wethrin | aha |
12:58.47 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Charged £120 domain host, £120 web host, £120 email host, £120 email virus scan |
12:59.00 | wethrin | You're ripping them off, mate |
12:59.10 | dick_turpin | wethrin: No? Really? |
12:59.24 | wethrin | You can get a virtual server for about 6 years, for that price :) |
13:00.05 | dick_turpin | wethrin: No? Really? ;-) |
13:00.40 | wethrin | hey, but if people want to pay.... |
13:01.36 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Or if your sales skills are top notch ;-) |
13:01.49 | bilarh | friday afternoon is always the slowest part of the week |
13:02.59 | dick_turpin | chases bilarh with a large baguette "Not so slow now is it mush" |
13:03.09 | bilarh | hehe |
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14:13.05 | ChoHag | http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/92661/Student-arrested-for-being-honest |
14:17.39 | ChoHag | Is a ssl certificate with subject "/CN=www.site.com/O=Company" the same as "/O=Company/CN=www.site.com"? |
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15:01.51 | bilarh | woot! weekend |
15:01.53 | bilarh | screw you hippies, i'm out of here :D |
15:10.20 | boudiccas | bilarh, is that a /screw, you hippies/ ? or a /screw you/ hippies? |
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16:12.12 | z00dax | hummm ibm and sun |
16:12.32 | wethrin | sitting in a tree... |
16:15.50 | z00dax | and all the kings men... |
16:15.55 | z00dax | .. no wait, there was a wall in that stor |
16:15.59 | z00dax | s/stor/story/ |
16:38.28 | ChoHag | "It's like a hobbit wedding. With this ring I thee ... where's he gone??" |
17:11.28 | Mohan | nfs server in opensuse 11 is shit. it asks for mountd_port in /etc/sysconfig/nfs but init.d/nfs nor init.d/nfsserver uses that variable when starting the service. |
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