IRC log for #gllug on 20090403

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07:02.37ChoHagWoo! Another day.
07:08.59Leedsis nearly over!
08:41.42Mohanmorning
08:49.04haliGOINK!
08:49.54bilarhis that the noise a capitalist swine noise whilst eating from the through makes? :D
08:49.59bilarhis on form today :D
08:50.14bilarhbecuase it's Friday - all day!
08:50.27halino, it's Dogberts favorite word when firing grunts... so not far off actually :-)
08:50.37bilarhif you don't come to protest, protest comes to you!
08:50.49halihttp://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-03-23/
08:51.18haliplus, who are you to talk about capitalists
08:51.24haliyou work for an evil oil company :-)
08:51.46haliyour fortune is built on killing seals
08:52.07bilarhlittle baby ones
08:52.16bilarhthat is my moral dilemma :)
08:52.29bilarhfirst i worked for a bank, but it wasn't quite evil enoughh
08:52.33bilarhthen it was internet gambling
08:52.37bilarhslightly more evil
08:52.47bilarhbut when i joined an oil company, i felt that I had *arrived* :D
08:52.55haliyes
08:53.04bilarhnah i'm not against capitalism
08:53.07haliall i do is help banks create toxic assets :P
08:53.18Leedswe had one of our google ads banned because it was for unlicensed gambling :-)
08:53.23bilarhi'm against socialising losses and privatising profits
08:53.33bilarhso in a way, i'm more pure capitalist than that swiney government we have
08:53.33halisomething like 75% of all junk securities issued in the last 10 years is issued in our systems
08:54.02halilooks at the Bank Of England 500bn bond :)
08:54.14bilarhprinty printy
08:54.36bilarhmind you, that's not printing at all
08:54.38bilarhthat's borrowing
08:54.49bilarhi don't have *such* a problem with the bank of england issuing bonds
08:54.54bilarhi.e. the govt
08:55.05haligood spread
08:55.13bilarhbut when it's just "here's a bunch of money we created (i.e. not borrowed) it gets silly"
08:55.18haliso good if you buy them, bad'ish if you are a tax payer
08:55.20bilarhalthough i do have a problem with government borrowing too
08:56.13haliwe get paid in structured products issued by ourselves based on zero coupons with a ftse tracker slapped on top
08:56.52halinot sure about the currency though
08:57.03haliit's all russian rubels, all issued before the revolution
08:57.51bilarhthe coming one? :)
08:58.23halithe one in 1917
09:00.31halithey could do with another one actually
09:01.16bilarh*we* could do with one
09:01.52bilarhas an aside, in the uk today, i could in theory be shot by the police for the above statement
09:02.49ChoHagWhen do you plan on doing that?
09:03.09Leedsbeing shot?
09:05.28ChoHagYeah.
09:29.03bilarhanyone still thinking you have a right to legally protest without the police trying to stop you or attacking you should watch this: http://london.indymedia.org.uk/videos/993
09:29.36Leedswhy would anyone thing anything as naive as that?
09:29.52bilarhbecause apparently it's the law?
09:30.15bilarhand almost everyone i speak to about these issues think you can still have a legal peaceful protest, but clearly it's not possible
09:30.56Leedsha ha, 'law'
09:31.14Leedslaws like that don't apply during a time of war
09:31.15bilarhwell, i've realised for some time now that there isn't 'law' as such anymore
09:31.29ChoHagThere is.
09:31.32wethrininter arma enim silent leges
09:31.33bilarhbut, most people are still under the delusion that there are
09:31.33ChoHagThey need something to get you with.
09:31.35wethrinor something similar to that
09:31.44Leedsyou know places like Zimbabwe which have been in a state of emergency for 25 years?
09:32.09bilarhleeds: that's a moot point. just because somewhere else is even more draconian doesn't make it right to be draconian here
09:32.41Leedsbilarh: my point is that when you're in an unwinnable war (or two) one of the side effects is an excuse to suspend the rule of law
09:33.15bilarhanyhow, the world's gone completely insane
09:33.26bilarhthere is no war in england
09:33.32bilarhapart from the "war on terror" bogeyman
09:33.44wethrinhey, only TErrrrrrrrrists take photos, y'know
09:33.57bilarhi want to start a "war on gardening" as we discussed earlier
09:34.21LeedsThe War Against Terror!
09:34.50bilarhmaybe a "war against the war against terror" :)
09:35.01ChoHagWat wat?
09:35.04wethrinSo, one thing I don't get (amongst many) with this whole campaign against photography........ why would terrrrists use big SLR cameras, which draw attention to themselves, rather than using a small mobile phone camera?
09:35.35wethringiven people have been asked to move on swiftly, when using a DSLR
09:35.38ChoHagwethrin: Because it makes it easier for a vigilant mob to spot them.
09:35.44wethrinpah
09:35.49haliwhats wrong here? http://193.41.118.40/test/ubuntu.jpg :-)
09:35.56wethrinhali: No DNS
09:35.57wethrinHTH
09:36.10wethrinhehe
09:36.16halii don't want to expose the porno domain i actually have
09:36.38halifine, http://emma.dnsdrift.net/test/ubuntu.jpg
09:36.39bilarhhehe
09:37.20ChoHagYeah reverse dns totally didn't work.
09:38.08haliblimey, i have reverse
09:38.15halididn't even know that
09:38.41haliit's a box hidden in a closet at a company i used to work for 6 years ago :)
09:39.03wethrinheh
09:57.18bilarhspring bounce in house prices are over
09:57.25bilarhhalifax down 1.9% m-o-m
09:57.41bilarhi remember what a real spring bounce used to be like when i was a kid
09:57.47bilarhnone of this one day nonsense
09:58.57wethrinNationwide said different. So, mneh.
10:00.05bilarhthat's what i meant
10:00.09bilarhthat was out yesterday
10:00.13bilarhspring bounce started then
10:00.15bilarhthen it ended today :D
10:00.40bilarhthe hali + nationwide indexes are becoming increasingly volatile it seems
10:00.58bilarhnobody is borrowing from them now because their rates are so much higher than what you can get somewhere else
10:01.03bilarhso their sample size must be tiny
10:01.06wethrineven Nationwide?
10:01.07wethrinEh
10:01.25bilarhhang on, let me find the rates
10:01.59wethrinokay, they're probably not the cheapest around
10:02.05bilarhoh actually
10:02.09bilarhthey're not too bad anymore
10:02.20bilarhoh no
10:02.20bilarhsorry
10:02.21bilarhthey are
10:02.24bilarhi read the wrong number
10:02.35bilarh5 year fix @ 6.68% for an 85% ltv
10:02.52bilarhe.g. leeds bs or britannia do a 5 year fix with same ltv for 5.2%
10:03.21bilarhand you haev to pay an arrangement fee of 995 with nationwide and it's only 160 with e.g. leeds
10:03.51Leedsdo I?
10:03.58bilarhnot you persoanlly, fool :)
10:04.29LeedsI still call it the Leeds and Holbeck anyway :-)
10:05.14bilarhleeds and holbeck
10:05.16bilarhwho are they?
10:07.03ChoHag4.89% fixed to 2014.
10:07.11Leedsthey are what the Leeds used to be
10:07.18LeedsI've had an account with them for around 30 years
10:08.00bilarhchohag: at what ltv?
10:08.05bilarhleeds: ah ok
10:08.11bilarhleeds: damn how old are you? :D
10:08.15bilarhgramps ;)
10:08.56ChoHagI can't remember. 75 I think.
10:09.33bilarhhmm, i'm guessing most 1st time buyers will fall into the 85% bracket
10:09.43bilarhwe certainly are, and we've been saving for what seems like ages :S
10:10.24ChoHagAbbey will pay PMS a fee of £567.00 if ...
10:10.24Leedsslightly over 30
10:10.33ChoHagSo if I get it at the right time of the month I get money off?
10:39.49ChoHagCan perl be made to interpolate variables in a qw// construct?
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11:23.08antiphaseI'm not sure why you'd want to
11:24.55ChoHag@command=qw/echo this is a $variable command/;
11:25.10antiphaseYou could emulate it with something like '@foo = split /\s/, "$var1 $var2 something else";'
11:25.57ChoHagBut then I might as well just pass system a scalar.
11:26.50antiphaseDo that then. It's better to have something obvious that works than something that tries to be clever for no reason
11:27.14ChoHagExcept that if I pass a scalar I have to worry about escaping.
11:27.28ChoHagSo I build an array the old fashioned way.
11:27.56antiphaseWhat are you expecting to have to escape?
11:28.07ChoHagshrugs
11:28.11ChoHagWhatever the user provides.
11:28.28antiphaseJust sanitise it first then, and throw an error if they try any funny business
11:29.32antiphaseI don't think the behaviour of system will be manifestly different if you pass it a scalar or an array, which is just a list of scalars at the end of the day
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12:04.38bilarhdick face!
12:05.03dick_turpinbilarh: Whey hey you wobble bottom
12:18.57eye69argh...damn the manufacturers for using different chipsets without changing the model name
12:43.53dick_turpinibot: hit bilarh
12:43.54bilarhi want a car pc
12:43.54bilarhanyone got one?
12:44.15dick_turpinbilarh: I read about a bloke who had a server in the boot of his car used it as a media centre ffs!
12:44.34wethrinthat's gotta be good for the hard disks....
12:44.42DiscordianUKThere's a guy at Sun who has two E450s in his car boot
12:45.00DiscordianUKUses them to play Mp3s
12:45.12dick_turpinI think he set up one of those spring stabilising systems
12:45.24wethrinHe must have quite a large car, then
12:45.27wethrinE450s ain't small
12:45.36DiscordianUKIndeed they're not
12:45.46DiscordianUKHe had power issues too
12:45.52dick_turpinwethrin: Laugh of the day, interested?
12:45.57bilarhhehe like an articulated lorry :D
12:45.58wethrinGo on
12:46.02wethrinWant to share it with everyone else?
12:46.13dick_turpinYeah
12:46.22j0nrif i have a number of channels set up to autojoin when i start up irssi, i then close one of those windows, /layout save....will that overwrite my conf and loose that autoloading function?
12:46.25wethrinyay
12:47.02dick_turpinwethrin: So the one idiot boss (sits opposite me) was doing something on a clients server this morning
12:47.10wethrinsounds ominous already
12:47.13dick_turpinRan some sort of batch file
12:48.20dick_turpinwhich promptly opened 700 and rising windows on the server, you could literally hear his sphincter twitching
12:48.39wethrinerr. Did he not check to see what the batch file was?
12:48.58dick_turpinwethrin: Your just being silly now
12:49.17dick_turpinHe couldn't stop it for ages
12:49.38dick_turpinI wa witing for the customer to ring "Me Servers on fire"
12:50.26dick_turpinHe managed to open another terminal session and kill it. Boo
12:50.28ChoHagKevin: Everyone's name is in this hat. Whoever's gets picked gets to go to the team leader briefing in 10 minutes.
12:50.33ChoHagGuess whose name got picked.
12:50.37wethrinYours!
12:50.43dick_turpinHuzzah
12:50.46ChoHagKevin's.
12:50.46wethrinDoes this mean you get to play team leader?
12:50.51wethrinHeh
12:50.59ChoHagThankfully no.
12:51.01bilarhif you do, fire everyone really quickly :D
12:51.03bilarhoh :9
12:51.04ChoHagI wouldn't wish that on anyone.
12:51.04wethrindick_turpin: So, what *Did* the batch system do?
12:52.09dick_turpinwethrin: I'm not sure, basically he wants to sync two folders. I said use rsync with some sort of batch file using task manager. But then what would I know
12:52.26ChoHagNot enterprisey enough.
12:52.27wethrinrsync
12:52.36wethrinYou could use Enterprise Rsync
12:52.41ChoHagNo XML. No Java. No MS.
12:52.44wethrinwhich'd be rsync that costs lots of money
12:52.48ChoHagDefinitely no wooden table.
12:53.42dick_turpinwethrin: He wants a freebie so that he doesn't have to do it manually. TBH I don't care its another bodge up freebie cock up of his
12:54.58dick_turpinwethrin: I rarely let him near any of my deals, well I want customers to come back don't I?
12:55.18wethrinYes. You do want to charge people as much as possible :)
12:55.31dick_turpinwethrin: Exactly
12:57.18dick_turpinwethrin: Did a good little deal yesterday
12:57.23wethrinoh yes?
12:57.45dick_turpinStole a powernet customer
12:57.49wethrinaha
12:58.47dick_turpinwethrin: Charged £120 domain host, £120 web host, £120 email host, £120 email virus scan
12:59.00wethrinYou're ripping them off, mate
12:59.10dick_turpinwethrin: No? Really?
12:59.24wethrinYou can get a virtual server for about 6 years, for that price :)
13:00.05dick_turpinwethrin: No? Really? ;-)
13:00.40wethrinhey, but if people want to pay....
13:01.36dick_turpinwethrin: Or if your sales skills are top notch ;-)
13:01.49bilarhfriday afternoon is always the slowest part of the week
13:02.59dick_turpinchases bilarh with a large baguette "Not so slow now is it mush"
13:03.09bilarhhehe
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14:13.05ChoHaghttp://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/92661/Student-arrested-for-being-honest
14:17.39ChoHagIs a ssl certificate with subject "/CN=www.site.com/O=Company" the same as "/O=Company/CN=www.site.com"?
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15:01.51bilarhwoot! weekend
15:01.53bilarhscrew you hippies, i'm out of here :D
15:10.20boudiccasbilarh, is that a /screw, you hippies/ ? or a /screw you/ hippies?
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16:12.12z00daxhummm ibm and sun
16:12.32wethrinsitting in a tree...
16:15.50z00daxand all the kings men...
16:15.55z00dax.. no wait, there was a wall in that stor
16:15.59z00daxs/stor/story/
16:38.28ChoHag"It's like a hobbit wedding. With this ring I thee ... where's he gone??"
17:11.28Mohannfs server in opensuse 11 is shit. it asks for mountd_port in /etc/sysconfig/nfs but init.d/nfs nor init.d/nfsserver uses that variable when starting the service.
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