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| 03:46.32 | *** topic/#gllug is Greater London LUG - http://www.gllug.org.uk | Next meeting: 28/03/09 'From the pavement to the cloud' |
| 04:02.03 | *** join/#gllug DiscordianUK (n=ch@chills.demon.co.uk) |
| 06:43.59 | DiscordianUK | Morning |
| 07:30.25 | bilarh | morn |
| 07:35.38 | j0nr | morning! |
| 07:38.38 | AndyMillar | mmh, we record ~500MB of calls every day /o\ |
| 07:41.05 | j0nr | is that bad? that sounds bad |
| 07:41.12 | j0nr | and how long do you keep them? |
| 07:41.55 | bilarh | that sounds like a hell of a lot of calls at 8khz mono :S |
| 07:42.01 | DiscordianUK | Sounds like a DVD's worth a week |
| 07:42.14 | bilarh | sounds like you work for the echelon project :) |
| 07:43.44 | DiscordianUK | Are they hiring? |
| 07:45.15 | AndyMillar | we keep them for, erm, ever |
| 07:45.33 | AndyMillar | i think we need to keep 'em for 7 years |
| 07:46.03 | AndyMillar | which is only 1.3TB at the current level |
| 07:46.37 | AndyMillar | and that's a fairly insiginficant amount of space :) |
| 07:49.59 | j0nr | where you work? a call centre? |
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| 07:53.13 | AndyMillar | nope :) |
| 07:53.34 | AndyMillar | tbh, i really should re-encode these calls to a slightly less dire format |
| 07:54.50 | AndyMillar | but we're recording h.323 which is the biggest pain i've ever come accross |
| 07:55.28 | AndyMillar | incidentaly, if you ever come accross Avaya offering a SIP solution, please laugh and tell them they can't do it :/ |
| 07:59.35 | AndyMillar | aha, they're shitty 128kb/s wav files |
| 08:00.02 | AndyMillar | mono, 8000hz, 16bit |
| 08:00.12 | AndyMillar | so not quite that bad |
| 08:00.30 | AndyMillar | i should probably re-encode them to something less dire |
| 08:00.40 | AndyMillar | but space isn't an issue |
| 08:04.49 | ChoHag | <Security> There seem to be a lot of people from your company forgetting their door fobs. |
| 08:05.09 | ChoHag | Yes that's because ours is by far the biggest company in the building. |
| 08:06.23 | bilarh | andymillar: can't you slap it on to tape and send it to ironmountain? |
| 08:06.27 | bilarh | (or similar) |
| 08:49.03 | AndyMillar | bilarh: SATA disk space is probably cheaper |
| 08:49.49 | AndyMillar | around 25p per GB; 50p when I get round to an offsite replica |
| 08:49.53 | bilarh | it's also a pain to keep data online |
| 08:50.09 | bilarh | and then you haev running costs as well |
| 08:50.40 | bilarh | every situation is different of coruse |
| 08:50.46 | bilarh | but at the moment i'm a big fan of archiving |
| 08:51.14 | bilarh | but we have a bit more data than that and the data volumes are growing almost faster than what we can buy disks |
| 08:51.55 | ChoHag | Buy bigger disks. |
| 08:51.58 | ChoHag | And more per batch. |
| 08:52.31 | bilarh | chohag: great idea |
| 08:52.48 | bilarh | chohag: what about when you run out of rackspace in your already rather big data centers? |
| 08:53.07 | bilarh | chohag: or when you have to start getting more and more power and cooling units just to cool / power the damn things? |
| 08:53.19 | ChoHag | Get a bigger data centre. |
| 08:53.21 | bilarh | 04:50 < bilarh> every situation is different of coruse |
| 08:53.44 | bilarh | then you kind of negate the cost argument of offline archives, no? |
| 08:54.10 | ChoHag | Nobody said the disks have to have power constanty. |
| 08:54.48 | ChoHag | Anyway I'm just being difficult. |
| 08:54.57 | bilarh | really? :P |
| 08:55.10 | ChoHag | Does flash ram deteriorate over time if left unused? |
| 08:55.18 | ChoHag | Or any other ssd. |
| 08:55.38 | AndyMillar | tbh, disk is cheap, i've got 3 empty racks in t'office and the comms room is massively underutilised |
| 08:56.34 | AndyMillar | and disk is easy |
| 08:57.40 | ChoHag | But magnetic media is not really suitable for long-term archival. |
| 08:57.59 | ChoHag | Nor whatever CD/DVD/etc. is generally called. |
| 08:58.02 | ChoHag | 'plastic media' |
| 08:58.04 | ChoHag | ? |
| 09:03.18 | AndyMillar | heh |
| 09:15.22 | ChoHag | Why do executives get golden parachutes? |
| 09:15.27 | ChoHag | Is that so they fall faster? |
| 09:16.53 | AndyMillar | so, magnetic media is bad, plastic media is bad |
| 09:16.58 | AndyMillar | what should you store data on? |
| 09:17.20 | bilarh | punch cards |
| 09:17.29 | ChoHag | They rot. |
| 09:17.47 | bilarh | slate stone? |
| 09:21.25 | ChoHag | Weather. |
| 09:21.43 | ChoHag | But that's probably cheating as it goes for everything. |
| 09:21.48 | ChoHag | I'll go with fragile on that one. |
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| 09:36.26 | ChoHag | Why does mkreiserfs spew random fortune-like garbage with every use? |
| 09:43.40 | eye69 | argh...damn postal service...hurry up... |
| 09:51.24 | AndyMillar | ChoHag: to make you feel better |
| 09:55.10 | ChoHag | Well you do need that when using reires. |
| 09:55.14 | ChoHag | reiser |
| 10:02.04 | ChoHag | Can you make [a-z] case sensitive in bash? |
| 10:27.33 | AndyMillar | looks confused |
| 10:28.09 | AndyMillar | hmm, what manufacturers make 1.5TB drives nowadays? is it just Seagate |
| 10:28.15 | AndyMillar | WD have a 2TB offering |
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| 12:09.05 | ChoHag | There's a place in the New Forest called Balmerlawn. |
| 12:09.11 | ChoHag | Just by Brockenhurst. |
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| 12:14.05 | dick_turpin | kicks bilarh up the sphincter bu looses his foot and most of his leg |
| 12:15.02 | ChoHag | This hotel has listed 'Toilet' as one of the facilities. |
| 12:43.58 | AndyMillar | awesome :-p |
| 13:09.03 | bilarh | dick_turpin: please dislocate your member |
| 13:09.09 | bilarh | from my rectum |
| 13:10.14 | dick_turpin | bilarh: on an interesting side note when my foot and leg inserted it turned out I managed to kick morsing in the face! How longs he been up there then? |
| 13:10.38 | bilarh | can't be him, he's up his own arse i thought |
| 13:16.36 | dick_turpin | Hm I've seen a photo like that somewhere |
| 13:17.19 | boudiccas | dick_turpin, i read yesterday that you were hanged for horse stealing in york in 1739! |
| 13:18.27 | ChoHag | Spam: Mrs. Obama porn. |
| 13:19.00 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I know, that rope don't half chafe |
| 13:19.29 | boudiccas | so you survived it for several centuries? :) |
| 13:20.17 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: God yeah but its getting harder, finding the blood of a virgin to bath in is near impossible these days |
| 13:20.56 | boudiccas | is this a virgin before you get to her, or afterwards? and does it have to be a female virgin or can it be male? |
| 13:21.12 | bilarh | suggests playschool might be early enough still today |
| 13:21.28 | ChoHag | Maybe. |
| 13:21.31 | ChoHag | Not enough blood though. |
| 13:21.45 | bilarh | use more? |
| 13:21.50 | bilarh | "units" :) |
| 13:22.02 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Before and we don't have genders here on planet zanuvian |
| 13:22.30 | boudiccas | dick_turpin, so you're an alien then? :) |
| 13:23.10 | bilarh | boudiccas: he's not like that alf alien at least... alf had lots of hair and dick_turpin, well ... |
| 13:23.22 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Oh god yes, no human could stand it here :-P |
| 13:23.27 | ChoHag | What's a 70% chance of rain in this country? |
| 13:23.33 | ChoHag | Why not just say 100? |
| 13:23.52 | boudiccas | what /alf alien/? |
| 13:23.55 | DiscordianUK | It was bucketing down here earlier |
| 13:23.57 | bilarh | you never seen alf? |
| 13:24.00 | bilarh | wtf :) |
| 13:24.03 | boudiccas | nope |
| 13:24.06 | bilarh | alien life form? the american sitcom? |
| 13:24.14 | boudiccas | i dont watch tele |
| 13:24.15 | bilarh | show me the rock you've been living under |
| 13:25.09 | DiscordianUK | Not every one watches telly |
| 13:25.38 | bilarh | i know |
| 13:25.44 | bilarh | that was quite rude of me, wasn't it? |
| 13:25.50 | bilarh | boudiccas: apologies |
| 13:26.09 | DiscordianUK | I do watch telly but never seen ALF |
| 13:26.37 | bilarh | maybe it's a sweidhs thing |
| 13:26.40 | bilarh | to watch american sitcoms :) |
| 13:27.20 | ChoHag | Is it worth going on holiday a day early if it's going to rain all day? |
| 13:27.42 | DiscordianUK | Depends on what the hotel is like |
| 13:27.45 | bilarh | are you going somewhere where it's not raining? :) |
| 13:27.50 | ChoHag | No. |
| 13:27.54 | bilarh | discordian: well, it has the toilet listed as a feature :D |
| 13:27.58 | DiscordianUK | Does it have a good restaurant? |
| 13:28.12 | ChoHag | I don't know. |
| 13:28.19 | ChoHag | Yeah we could spend the day on the bog. |
| 13:28.29 | ChoHag | Well we'd have to alternate because it probably only has the one. |
| 13:28.36 | bilarh | chohag: if you try the restaurant first, maybe :) |
| 13:28.41 | DiscordianUK | What is it , gold plated? |
| 13:28.53 | ChoHag | Hmm hard to do without going there. |
| 13:29.18 | DiscordianUK | Where is it? |
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| 13:49.32 | AndyMillar | i'm not sure I want to know /o |
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| 15:49.02 | ChoHag | Email: "Could someone please look at the server logs for IWCL messages received |
| 15:49.04 | ChoHag | this afternoon on UAT" |
| 15:49.22 | ChoHag | If nobody looks, do they not make a sound? |
| 15:57.29 | DiscordianUK | UAT=user acceptance testinG? |
| 15:58.35 | ChoHag | Da. |
| 15:59.08 | DiscordianUK | On a virtual Friday at hometime, does it matter? |
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| 17:09.34 | *** join/#gllug DiscordianUK (n=ch@chills.demon.co.uk) |
| 17:15.18 | ChoHag | Not enough to make me do anything about it. |
| 17:15.34 | DiscordianUK | heh |
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| 17:55.49 | gregj | bloody uk banks |
| 17:55.59 | gregj | didn't get a car loan :/ |
| 18:06.42 | ChoHag | s/uk// |
| 18:06.49 | ChoHag | or s/banks// - take your pick |
| 18:11.57 | gregj | ;> |
| 18:12.54 | gregj | the reason- my account's ballance goes below 100 quid almost every month - no shit, if I had savings I wouldn't apply for loan |
| 18:13.04 | gregj | bloody sherlocks |
| 18:14.18 | gregj | 2.5 years ago they ofered me mortgage up to 500k , and I only had an accont with them for 4 months |
| 18:14.25 | gregj | (obviously, I didn't took it) |
| 18:15.24 | DiscordianUK | You mean shylocks not sherlocks I think |
| 18:15.41 | antiphase | Ha ha |
| 18:16.35 | DiscordianUK | This isn't 2.5 years ago |
| 18:18.51 | gregj | :] |
| 22:20.21 | Alex | 54 |
| 22:20.25 | Alex | Fail. |