IRC log for #gllug on 20090416

04:09.22*** join/#gllug kjs (i=kjs@emil.morsing.cc)
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06:43.31morsingAnyone awake?
06:44.42AndyMill1rnope :(
06:45.45morsingAndyMill1r: How much are you into DNS?
06:50.46AndyMill1rsomewhat, sup?
06:52.27morsingI can't figure out why the root servers no longer list anything for morsing.cc.
06:52.45morsingLike this gives nowt:
06:52.47morsingdig @A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. -t ns morsing.cc.
06:53.00morsingIt used to, has anything changed?
06:53.23morsingAlso, just doing dig -t ns morsing.cc. lists no authority
06:53.28morsingWhy?
06:53.41AndyMill1rhttp://www.intodns.com/morsing.cc
06:54.06morsingDoesn't work
06:54.11morsingAh, there it is
06:54.32AndyMill1rfor one, your nameservers are out of sync :)
06:54.38morsingRight, the IP for Emil is wrong
06:54.50AndyMill1rthat *might* explain part of the problem /o\
06:54.57morsingAndyMill1r: I know! I'm trying to get through to my domain registrar!
06:55.05morsingThey don't listen...
06:55.13AndyMillarshow them that page ;p
06:55.14morsingI'm trying to prove it
06:55.22AndyMillarfollowed by "please be less incompetent"
06:55.25morsingYou may visit Verisign and perform a search for the name servers. It is pointed to the IP address 72.14.177.241. The nameserver gustav.morsing.cc you have provided is a registered name server.
06:55.31morsingThat's the latest email I got
06:56.05AndyMillarfrom that page:
06:56.17AndyMillar1. your namesevrers are out of sync and your NS records are wrong
06:56.39AndyMillarfrom what you say:
06:56.40AndyMillar1. the host records for your name servers are wrong
06:56.40AndyMillar:)
06:57.06morsingAndyMillar: Right, another thing...
06:57.26AndyMillaralso, dig @A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. -t ns morsing.cc gives you the right data
06:57.30morsingThe TLDs used to be a.root-server.net etc, has it changed to h5.ntlds.com ?
06:57.38AndyMillardelegated
06:57.40morsingAndyMillar: No it doesn't
06:57.49AndyMillaryou ask a.root-servers.net
06:57.51morsingAndyMillar: I get nothing from that query
06:57.53AndyMillaroh
06:57.54AndyMillar2s
06:58.19morsingmorsing@emil:/webdomains/morsing.cc$ dig @A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. -t ns morsing.cc | grep morsing.cc
06:58.22morsing; <<>> DiG 9.5.1-P1 <<>> @A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. -t ns morsing.cc
06:58.23morsingNowt...!
06:58.25morsing;morsing.cc.                    IN      NS
06:58.29AndyMillarhttp://paste.hashphp.com/p/m64cf7c3f
06:58.42morsingIndeed - nmothing
06:58.45morsingnothing
06:58.49AndyMillarthat ios correct!
06:59.04AndyMillarthe response is saying "go ask *.nstld.com"
06:59.05morsingYes, correct that I get nothing, which is not correct! :(
06:59.10AndyMillaris*
06:59.14morsingAndyMillar: Why does it say that?
06:59.36morsingauthority section should be emil and gustav
06:59.47AndyMillardo the same for andymillar.co.uk
06:59.48morsingWhere does verisign servers come into it?
06:59.58AndyMillarand you'll see the same thing but saying use NIC.uk
07:00.14morsingBut why?!
07:00.33AndyMillardo the same for .com as well ;)
07:00.53AndyMillarbasically, all the root servers do is say "you want to look at X for your domain"
07:01.07AndyMillarand each separate TLD is run by a different company
07:01.24AndyMillarverisign run .com/.net/.org
07:01.25morsingAndyMillar: Why?! They're doing it wrong, the root server should list emil and gustav, not some verisign servers!
07:01.45AndyMillarno, the root servers should list the nameservers for co.cc
07:01.58AndyMillarand the nameservers for co.cc should list emil and gistav
07:02.43AndyMillarthough it only lists emil
07:02.48morsingThe name servers for co.cc *are* emil and gustav!!
07:03.06AndyMillarno, the nameservers for morsing.co.cc are emil and gistav
07:03.08AndyMillarsurely?
07:03.11AndyMillarunless you own co.cc
07:03.29AndyMillarok. i'm being fail
07:03.32AndyMillari mean cc instead of co.cc
07:04.06AndyMillarso for cc, you use the cc nameservers, for morsing.cc you use root-servers to get cc-servers and cc-servers to get your NS records
07:04.09morsingWTF is co.cc? The name servers for morsing.cc are emil & gustav
07:04.27AndyMillarco.cc is a company i've dealt with before and I was getting cc/co.cc mixed up :(
07:04.29AndyMillarright
07:04.31morsingAndyMillar: You're wrong
07:04.41AndyMillarit's the same way for them all :)
07:04.56morsingBut wrong, unless they really did change the structure of it all
07:04.57AndyMillarroot-servers -> gtld-servers -> domain-specific-servers
07:05.12morsingroot-servers = TLD servers
07:05.15morsingShouldn't be anything in between
07:05.35morsingAlthough it does seem like they changed it:
07:05.37morsinghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_nameserver
07:05.48morsingMaybe it's all these new domains...
07:06.55AndyMillarit's been this way as long as I can remember :/
07:09.00morsingNot as long as I can remember. Even my .dk domains used to be listed in the root-servers.
07:09.15morsingThey used to have pointers to all top level domains
07:09.38morsingStill doesn't change the fact that the Verisign server have the wrong info
07:12.51AndyMillartrue :)
07:32.28morsingMmm... Breakfast
07:32.33morsingis full of BACON
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07:32.46morsingzeroXten!
07:33.17zeroXtenhai
07:33.38morsingAndyMillar: What IP do you get for emil?
07:35.49LeedsLeedsis full of matzah
07:37.42morsingLeedsLeeds: What IP do you get for emil?
07:38.23LeedsLeedser, emil?
07:41.00morsingAndyMillar: I also don't understand why the responses from Verisign never have an answer section
08:07.13AndyMillarhmm
08:07.22AndyMillaremil.morsing.cc has address 93.93.131.95
08:40.31morsingAndyMillar: Not at Verisign
08:49.38LeedsLeedsooh, "I've emigrated" really is a good way to cancel things like credit cards without them attempting to 'retain' you
08:53.12Mohanmorning
08:53.47ChoHag"Don't rely on others. If you suspect Muslims, photographers or trainspotters, report them."
08:54.14morsingMohan!
08:55.18ChoHaghttp://www.flickr.com/groups/they_must_think_were_all_morons/pool/
09:07.31Mohanmorsing!
09:11.57Mohan"This CCTV evidence wont be used to prosecute violent police officers because it will be lost" thats nice.
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09:40.50morsingmindbendr!
09:43.03mindbendrmorsing!
09:57.11kjsanyone know of a site grabber thing, some spaz wants to move a site to us doesnt have ftp details for his current hosting provider...
09:57.37LeedsLeedswget?
10:02.53Mohankjs: if its all static pages you can mirror recursively using curl or wget
10:03.32morsingDo static websites still exist?
10:04.07Mohanmorsing: can you mirror a dynamic page without source code ?
10:04.28morsingMohan: No, which is why wget is becoming more and more obsolete
10:04.45morsing11:02 < Mohan> kjs: if its all static pages you can mirror recursively using curl or wget
10:06.40Mohanhmm, true.
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10:15.56mindbendrhas anyone got experience about optimizing Xen? or is there a way to improve performance
10:16.19mindbendrit looks like it's got issues about disk I/O
10:24.21AndyMillarare you using file backed storage or volume backed storage?
10:27.27mindbendrI've got both if you mean by that having image files and other than that having LVs assigned to DomUs on Dom0
10:28.09mindbendrI understand that having an image file would have an impact, I wonder how much would effect would that have
10:28.25mindbendrand having LVM in LVM, would that cause any slowness (not having as an image)
10:28.52mindbendrit looks like when we have disk I/O on one of the DomUs, it heavily affects the other virtual servers
10:29.26mindbendrmore then what you would expect with that specific hardware
10:29.47mindbendrso I'm trying to understand whether is there a way to optimize it/improve it
10:30.19mindbendrsuch as would assigning more VCPUs or eleminating image files/ LVM in LVM structures would have any affect
10:30.29mindbendrthere are pros and cos so I can't simply test it
10:31.56mindbendreven though there isn't much cpu activity on the system (%2 or so), if one of the DomUs starts to write a file, it has an impact on the disk i/o so that's the only thing that prevents us to add more DomUs to that server (apart from the memory which is cheap)
10:39.06morsingBeer
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11:26.38ChoHagDamn. After about 4 weeks they caught on to the fact that I'm not really working on anything.
11:26.55ChoHagI ought te have prepared an answer to the question "What are you doing?"
11:41.49DiscordianUKOh dear
11:43.10morsingBeer
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13:13.33AndyMillarChoHag: what happened? ;p
13:15.40ChoHagWe (colleague, not boss) were talking about some things I needed doing and he asked what I'd been doing this morning.
13:15.43ChoHagWhich is nothing.
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13:48.59AndyMillarheh
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14:16.59ChoHagHeh. We have to start our app server every morning now.
14:17.21ChoHagPreviously it was only every other day.
14:19.17cpufreakfix your garbage collection then
14:19.36ChoHagI think we should just fire our developers.
14:19.38ChoHagAnd testers.
14:19.51cpufreakand yourself.
14:19.53cpufreakcool.
14:20.01morsingBeer
14:21.09ChoHagYeah, but I need a replacement job before I fire myself.
14:21.14ChoHagOne where I actually have a job to do.
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16:35.53morsingeye69!
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19:59.55ChoHagAnother one's dead.
20:00.01ChoHagThis time Clement Freud.
20:00.38cpufreakold.
20:00.54ChoHagYes that was probably why.
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20:20.52cityOfLightsleeds?
20:21.12cityOfLightsok, I need some help understanding IP pls
20:21.31cityOfLightsI seek to add a VLAN to connect two houses
20:21.47cityOfLightsso I can acess my folks pc from my house lan
20:22.05cityOfLightsshould I put this subnet is dmz?
20:22.11cityOfLightsin dmz
20:22.15ChoHagAre they physically next to each other?
20:22.21ChoHagIf not I'd probably not do that.
20:23.21cityOfLightsin both houses a linux router NAT to the lan
20:23.38cityOfLightsso both pcs have eth0-> wan and eth1 to lan
20:23.47ChoHagFine, but keep them on separate subnets.
20:23.57cityOfLightsI am using openvpn to add tun0 on both
20:24.26cityOfLightsright, I dont want to NAT the tun0 device
20:25.27cityOfLightsok, I will have subnet1 for the first house lan, a second for the other house and a third for the vlan - right?
20:27.35ChoHagDo you mean vpn?
20:27.41cityOfLightsright
20:27.45ChoHagvlan is something quite different
20:27.59cityOfLightssorry - my mistake
20:28.04ChoHagI'd have a separate subnet at each house and openvpn at each end to route between them.
20:28.09cityOfLightsvlan is ethernet bridging - right
20:28.20ChoHagPurely rfc1918 addresses.
20:28.29cityOfLightsok , so you are the one to ask for help :-)
20:28.45ChoHagIf you want a DMZ, that's a largely unrelated issue.
20:28.57cityOfLightshow to route from the lan a member that didnt establish vpn to the server to the other side?
20:29.41ChoHag[LAN 1] -> [router] -> internet <- [router] <- [LAN 2]
20:29.47cityOfLightspls explian, is it relevent to define the vpn as a dmz in this case?
20:29.55cityOfLightsright
20:30.18cityOfLightsputting the vpn subnet in dmz will increase security - right?
20:30.26ChoHagSo each machine uses its router as the default gateway and the gw determines whether to direct the packet over the internet gw or the vpn.
20:30.37ChoHagNo.
20:30.42cityOfLightsright
20:30.46ChoHagI wouldn't worry about a dmz.
20:30.53cityOfLightsthanks
20:31.08ChoHagIt's not what you think it is and if you implement one without knowing what it is it won't do any good (and maybe some harm).
20:31.10cityOfLightsI am using arno-firewall script
20:31.41cityOfLightsright the dmz will prevent a subnet from accsing the lan subnet
20:32.37cityOfLightsneed I use openvpn routing to direct the packets from a lan member to the other side over vpn?
20:33.02cityOfLightsas in put it in /etc/openvpn.conf ?
20:33.16ChoHagI'm not sure. It's a long time since I configured openvpn.
20:33.37ChoHagAnd I couldn't explain it in the two minutes I've got until I have to get off the computer.
20:33.49cityOfLightsthanks mate
20:33.53cityOfLightsgoo-night
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