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06:43.31 | morsing | Anyone awake? |
06:44.42 | AndyMill1r | nope :( |
06:45.45 | morsing | AndyMill1r: How much are you into DNS? |
06:50.46 | AndyMill1r | somewhat, sup? |
06:52.27 | morsing | I can't figure out why the root servers no longer list anything for morsing.cc. |
06:52.45 | morsing | Like this gives nowt: |
06:52.47 | morsing | dig @A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. -t ns morsing.cc. |
06:53.00 | morsing | It used to, has anything changed? |
06:53.23 | morsing | Also, just doing dig -t ns morsing.cc. lists no authority |
06:53.28 | morsing | Why? |
06:53.41 | AndyMill1r | http://www.intodns.com/morsing.cc |
06:54.06 | morsing | Doesn't work |
06:54.11 | morsing | Ah, there it is |
06:54.32 | AndyMill1r | for one, your nameservers are out of sync :) |
06:54.38 | morsing | Right, the IP for Emil is wrong |
06:54.50 | AndyMill1r | that *might* explain part of the problem /o\ |
06:54.57 | morsing | AndyMill1r: I know! I'm trying to get through to my domain registrar! |
06:55.05 | morsing | They don't listen... |
06:55.13 | AndyMillar | show them that page ;p |
06:55.14 | morsing | I'm trying to prove it |
06:55.22 | AndyMillar | followed by "please be less incompetent" |
06:55.25 | morsing | You may visit Verisign and perform a search for the name servers. It is pointed to the IP address 72.14.177.241. The nameserver gustav.morsing.cc you have provided is a registered name server. |
06:55.31 | morsing | That's the latest email I got |
06:56.05 | AndyMillar | from that page: |
06:56.17 | AndyMillar | 1. your namesevrers are out of sync and your NS records are wrong |
06:56.39 | AndyMillar | from what you say: |
06:56.40 | AndyMillar | 1. the host records for your name servers are wrong |
06:56.40 | AndyMillar | :) |
06:57.06 | morsing | AndyMillar: Right, another thing... |
06:57.26 | AndyMillar | also, dig @A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. -t ns morsing.cc gives you the right data |
06:57.30 | morsing | The TLDs used to be a.root-server.net etc, has it changed to h5.ntlds.com ? |
06:57.38 | AndyMillar | delegated |
06:57.40 | morsing | AndyMillar: No it doesn't |
06:57.49 | AndyMillar | you ask a.root-servers.net |
06:57.51 | morsing | AndyMillar: I get nothing from that query |
06:57.53 | AndyMillar | oh |
06:57.54 | AndyMillar | 2s |
06:58.19 | morsing | morsing@emil:/webdomains/morsing.cc$ dig @A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. -t ns morsing.cc | grep morsing.cc |
06:58.22 | morsing | ; <<>> DiG 9.5.1-P1 <<>> @A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. -t ns morsing.cc |
06:58.23 | morsing | Nowt...! |
06:58.25 | morsing | ;morsing.cc. IN NS |
06:58.29 | AndyMillar | http://paste.hashphp.com/p/m64cf7c3f |
06:58.42 | morsing | Indeed - nmothing |
06:58.45 | morsing | nothing |
06:58.49 | AndyMillar | that ios correct! |
06:59.04 | AndyMillar | the response is saying "go ask *.nstld.com" |
06:59.05 | morsing | Yes, correct that I get nothing, which is not correct! :( |
06:59.10 | AndyMillar | is* |
06:59.14 | morsing | AndyMillar: Why does it say that? |
06:59.36 | morsing | authority section should be emil and gustav |
06:59.47 | AndyMillar | do the same for andymillar.co.uk |
06:59.48 | morsing | Where does verisign servers come into it? |
06:59.58 | AndyMillar | and you'll see the same thing but saying use NIC.uk |
07:00.14 | morsing | But why?! |
07:00.33 | AndyMillar | do the same for .com as well ;) |
07:00.53 | AndyMillar | basically, all the root servers do is say "you want to look at X for your domain" |
07:01.07 | AndyMillar | and each separate TLD is run by a different company |
07:01.24 | AndyMillar | verisign run .com/.net/.org |
07:01.25 | morsing | AndyMillar: Why?! They're doing it wrong, the root server should list emil and gustav, not some verisign servers! |
07:01.45 | AndyMillar | no, the root servers should list the nameservers for co.cc |
07:01.58 | AndyMillar | and the nameservers for co.cc should list emil and gistav |
07:02.43 | AndyMillar | though it only lists emil |
07:02.48 | morsing | The name servers for co.cc *are* emil and gustav!! |
07:03.06 | AndyMillar | no, the nameservers for morsing.co.cc are emil and gistav |
07:03.08 | AndyMillar | surely? |
07:03.11 | AndyMillar | unless you own co.cc |
07:03.29 | AndyMillar | ok. i'm being fail |
07:03.32 | AndyMillar | i mean cc instead of co.cc |
07:04.06 | AndyMillar | so for cc, you use the cc nameservers, for morsing.cc you use root-servers to get cc-servers and cc-servers to get your NS records |
07:04.09 | morsing | WTF is co.cc? The name servers for morsing.cc are emil & gustav |
07:04.27 | AndyMillar | co.cc is a company i've dealt with before and I was getting cc/co.cc mixed up :( |
07:04.29 | AndyMillar | right |
07:04.31 | morsing | AndyMillar: You're wrong |
07:04.41 | AndyMillar | it's the same way for them all :) |
07:04.56 | morsing | But wrong, unless they really did change the structure of it all |
07:04.57 | AndyMillar | root-servers -> gtld-servers -> domain-specific-servers |
07:05.12 | morsing | root-servers = TLD servers |
07:05.15 | morsing | Shouldn't be anything in between |
07:05.35 | morsing | Although it does seem like they changed it: |
07:05.37 | morsing | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_nameserver |
07:05.48 | morsing | Maybe it's all these new domains... |
07:06.55 | AndyMillar | it's been this way as long as I can remember :/ |
07:09.00 | morsing | Not as long as I can remember. Even my .dk domains used to be listed in the root-servers. |
07:09.15 | morsing | They used to have pointers to all top level domains |
07:09.38 | morsing | Still doesn't change the fact that the Verisign server have the wrong info |
07:12.51 | AndyMillar | true :) |
07:32.28 | morsing | Mmm... Breakfast |
07:32.33 | morsing | is full of BACON |
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07:32.46 | morsing | zeroXten! |
07:33.17 | zeroXten | hai |
07:33.38 | morsing | AndyMillar: What IP do you get for emil? |
07:35.49 | LeedsLeeds | is full of matzah |
07:37.42 | morsing | LeedsLeeds: What IP do you get for emil? |
07:38.23 | LeedsLeeds | er, emil? |
07:41.00 | morsing | AndyMillar: I also don't understand why the responses from Verisign never have an answer section |
08:07.13 | AndyMillar | hmm |
08:07.22 | AndyMillar | emil.morsing.cc has address 93.93.131.95 |
08:40.31 | morsing | AndyMillar: Not at Verisign |
08:49.38 | LeedsLeeds | ooh, "I've emigrated" really is a good way to cancel things like credit cards without them attempting to 'retain' you |
08:53.12 | Mohan | morning |
08:53.47 | ChoHag | "Don't rely on others. If you suspect Muslims, photographers or trainspotters, report them." |
08:54.14 | morsing | Mohan! |
08:55.18 | ChoHag | http://www.flickr.com/groups/they_must_think_were_all_morons/pool/ |
09:07.31 | Mohan | morsing! |
09:11.57 | Mohan | "This CCTV evidence wont be used to prosecute violent police officers because it will be lost" thats nice. |
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09:40.50 | morsing | mindbendr! |
09:43.03 | mindbendr | morsing! |
09:57.11 | kjs | anyone know of a site grabber thing, some spaz wants to move a site to us doesnt have ftp details for his current hosting provider... |
09:57.37 | LeedsLeeds | wget? |
10:02.53 | Mohan | kjs: if its all static pages you can mirror recursively using curl or wget |
10:03.32 | morsing | Do static websites still exist? |
10:04.07 | Mohan | morsing: can you mirror a dynamic page without source code ? |
10:04.28 | morsing | Mohan: No, which is why wget is becoming more and more obsolete |
10:04.45 | morsing | 11:02 < Mohan> kjs: if its all static pages you can mirror recursively using curl or wget |
10:06.40 | Mohan | hmm, true. |
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10:15.56 | mindbendr | has anyone got experience about optimizing Xen? or is there a way to improve performance |
10:16.19 | mindbendr | it looks like it's got issues about disk I/O |
10:24.21 | AndyMillar | are you using file backed storage or volume backed storage? |
10:27.27 | mindbendr | I've got both if you mean by that having image files and other than that having LVs assigned to DomUs on Dom0 |
10:28.09 | mindbendr | I understand that having an image file would have an impact, I wonder how much would effect would that have |
10:28.25 | mindbendr | and having LVM in LVM, would that cause any slowness (not having as an image) |
10:28.52 | mindbendr | it looks like when we have disk I/O on one of the DomUs, it heavily affects the other virtual servers |
10:29.26 | mindbendr | more then what you would expect with that specific hardware |
10:29.47 | mindbendr | so I'm trying to understand whether is there a way to optimize it/improve it |
10:30.19 | mindbendr | such as would assigning more VCPUs or eleminating image files/ LVM in LVM structures would have any affect |
10:30.29 | mindbendr | there are pros and cos so I can't simply test it |
10:31.56 | mindbendr | even though there isn't much cpu activity on the system (%2 or so), if one of the DomUs starts to write a file, it has an impact on the disk i/o so that's the only thing that prevents us to add more DomUs to that server (apart from the memory which is cheap) |
10:39.06 | morsing | Beer |
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11:26.38 | ChoHag | Damn. After about 4 weeks they caught on to the fact that I'm not really working on anything. |
11:26.55 | ChoHag | I ought te have prepared an answer to the question "What are you doing?" |
11:41.49 | DiscordianUK | Oh dear |
11:43.10 | morsing | Beer |
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13:13.33 | AndyMillar | ChoHag: what happened? ;p |
13:15.40 | ChoHag | We (colleague, not boss) were talking about some things I needed doing and he asked what I'd been doing this morning. |
13:15.43 | ChoHag | Which is nothing. |
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13:48.59 | AndyMillar | heh |
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14:16.59 | ChoHag | Heh. We have to start our app server every morning now. |
14:17.21 | ChoHag | Previously it was only every other day. |
14:19.17 | cpufreak | fix your garbage collection then |
14:19.36 | ChoHag | I think we should just fire our developers. |
14:19.38 | ChoHag | And testers. |
14:19.51 | cpufreak | and yourself. |
14:19.53 | cpufreak | cool. |
14:20.01 | morsing | Beer |
14:21.09 | ChoHag | Yeah, but I need a replacement job before I fire myself. |
14:21.14 | ChoHag | One where I actually have a job to do. |
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16:35.53 | morsing | eye69! |
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19:59.55 | ChoHag | Another one's dead. |
20:00.01 | ChoHag | This time Clement Freud. |
20:00.38 | cpufreak | old. |
20:00.54 | ChoHag | Yes that was probably why. |
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20:20.52 | cityOfLights | leeds? |
20:21.12 | cityOfLights | ok, I need some help understanding IP pls |
20:21.31 | cityOfLights | I seek to add a VLAN to connect two houses |
20:21.47 | cityOfLights | so I can acess my folks pc from my house lan |
20:22.05 | cityOfLights | should I put this subnet is dmz? |
20:22.11 | cityOfLights | in dmz |
20:22.15 | ChoHag | Are they physically next to each other? |
20:22.21 | ChoHag | If not I'd probably not do that. |
20:23.21 | cityOfLights | in both houses a linux router NAT to the lan |
20:23.38 | cityOfLights | so both pcs have eth0-> wan and eth1 to lan |
20:23.47 | ChoHag | Fine, but keep them on separate subnets. |
20:23.57 | cityOfLights | I am using openvpn to add tun0 on both |
20:24.26 | cityOfLights | right, I dont want to NAT the tun0 device |
20:25.27 | cityOfLights | ok, I will have subnet1 for the first house lan, a second for the other house and a third for the vlan - right? |
20:27.35 | ChoHag | Do you mean vpn? |
20:27.41 | cityOfLights | right |
20:27.45 | ChoHag | vlan is something quite different |
20:27.59 | cityOfLights | sorry - my mistake |
20:28.04 | ChoHag | I'd have a separate subnet at each house and openvpn at each end to route between them. |
20:28.09 | cityOfLights | vlan is ethernet bridging - right |
20:28.20 | ChoHag | Purely rfc1918 addresses. |
20:28.29 | cityOfLights | ok , so you are the one to ask for help :-) |
20:28.45 | ChoHag | If you want a DMZ, that's a largely unrelated issue. |
20:28.57 | cityOfLights | how to route from the lan a member that didnt establish vpn to the server to the other side? |
20:29.41 | ChoHag | [LAN 1] -> [router] -> internet <- [router] <- [LAN 2] |
20:29.47 | cityOfLights | pls explian, is it relevent to define the vpn as a dmz in this case? |
20:29.55 | cityOfLights | right |
20:30.18 | cityOfLights | putting the vpn subnet in dmz will increase security - right? |
20:30.26 | ChoHag | So each machine uses its router as the default gateway and the gw determines whether to direct the packet over the internet gw or the vpn. |
20:30.37 | ChoHag | No. |
20:30.42 | cityOfLights | right |
20:30.46 | ChoHag | I wouldn't worry about a dmz. |
20:30.53 | cityOfLights | thanks |
20:31.08 | ChoHag | It's not what you think it is and if you implement one without knowing what it is it won't do any good (and maybe some harm). |
20:31.10 | cityOfLights | I am using arno-firewall script |
20:31.41 | cityOfLights | right the dmz will prevent a subnet from accsing the lan subnet |
20:32.37 | cityOfLights | need I use openvpn routing to direct the packets from a lan member to the other side over vpn? |
20:33.02 | cityOfLights | as in put it in /etc/openvpn.conf ? |
20:33.16 | ChoHag | I'm not sure. It's a long time since I configured openvpn. |
20:33.37 | ChoHag | And I couldn't explain it in the two minutes I've got until I have to get off the computer. |
20:33.49 | cityOfLights | thanks mate |
20:33.53 | cityOfLights | goo-night |
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