IRC log for #gllug on 20090522

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07:34.23ChoHag"PLEASE NOTE 02.30 AND 05.30 SHOWS ARE LATE NIGHT/EARLY MORNING SHOWS."
07:34.37ChoHagNever!
07:44.04AndyMillarmost people are idiots :p
08:00.30ChoHagwtf is a 'card handling fee'?
08:00.41ChoHagI thought these morons wanted you to pay with card rather than cash?
08:03.12Leedsit's a ripoff fee
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08:30.42ChoHagI can't remember my CA's passphrase.
08:30.58ChoHagI have an encoding of it written down but I can't decode my notes.
08:31.33bilarhfail
08:31.53ChoHagAye.
08:37.00bilarhhow can it only be 9:36, i've been here for what feels like 4 hours already
08:37.16halibilarh: skive?
08:37.28hali"ah me left bollock is a bit sore, im going home"
08:37.41bilarhdon't tempt me
08:39.59haligoing to the girlfriends parents for the weekend, fortunately they are in france :P
08:40.23bilarhnice one :)
08:40.39bilarhi'm staying at home on call, w00t! :)
08:40.51haliat least it's money
08:41.06bilarhactually, it isn't :)
08:41.06haligot the BB tuned to maximum ring tone volume this time?
08:41.19bilarhyep, and it's now been configured to ring more than once too :D
08:41.23bilarhall good to go
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11:49.06halibilarh: where in camden was it you lived?
11:49.09haliis moving .. somewhere
11:49.38bilarhok
11:49.44bilarhdo *not* move to camden FFS
11:49.49bilarhmove somewhere nicer
11:49.54bilarhcamden is nice to visit every so often
11:50.04halihttp://www.gumtree.com/london/11/38570411.html
11:50.09bilarhbut if you have to live in that tourist+druggie infected ghetto, it gets really old, really quickly
11:50.13halisort of outskirts of camden
11:50.17halito the south
11:50.32halimay just stay around spitalfields / bricklane
11:51.14bilarhdo not move there
11:51.17bilarhright by the canal
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11:51.40halitoo many floaters?
11:51.43bilarhyou'll have alcoholics + "users" fighting and shouting outsdie your window from 8pm to about 4am
11:53.14bilarhwhat's wrong with your current gaff?
11:53.18halibored
11:53.29haliand i can get something nicer for the same dosh
11:53.43bilarhhow much are you paying?
11:53.43haliwill probably just move around the corner from where i am
11:53.46hali1k
11:53.49bilarhok
11:54.01haligot a bit higher budget now *deep breaths*
11:54.10halidani is moving in *runs away*
11:54.20bilarhcrazy stuff :)
11:54.22haliyeah
11:54.26halifucked up innit ;)
11:54.30bilarhbut cool all the same
11:54.33dick_turpinbilarh: For you, about £2.85 a Month :-P
11:54.57bilarhdick_turpin: oh btw, thanks for you-know-what ;)
11:55.05bilarhdick_turpin: worked out surprisingly well
11:56.12dick_turpinbilarh: Shh I only do favours for those I like. Plus I do have a reputation to maintain of a Victor Meldrew rip off merchant ;-)
11:57.27bilarhhali: one thing to consider, find something you can pay for with one salary if either of you lose your jobs
11:57.30bilarhIMO
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11:58.18halibilarh: dani was made redundant a few weeks back :P
11:58.31haliso yep
11:59.25bilarhconsider getting somethign she could pay for with a job she's likely to get when she's not unemployed anymore
11:59.52halishould be ok
12:00.18halitouch on wood, but i dont think they would sack me from here
12:00.34halithey even offer a retention bonus
12:00.58bilarhyou might get bought out etc etc
12:01.05bilarhshit happens faster than you can imagine, sometimes :)
12:01.10halibut then again, we are VC funded and exactly
12:01.19haliyes, we are in the process of aquiring a company larger than us
12:01.56bilarhand i'm sure you'll find a job again, it's just a matter of how long it takes
12:02.09bilarhand also how much pay you can get
12:02.13halijob standard vs. time
12:02.19bilarhat the moment it seems like most jobs pay less than they did a while back
12:02.24bilarhexactly
12:04.21AndyMillaraye :(
12:05.10bilarhantiphase: if you haven't already seen this, it will tickle your fancy, i think: http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226570
12:05.47bilarhit ticks all the right boxes: Dumb Americaaaans, fast vehicles and extraordinary stupidity :)
12:05.55bilarhyou need to read to at least page two
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12:11.05ChoHagkicks his modem
12:11.16ChoHagkicks BT too for good measure.
12:11.30bilarhstop doing that, you just dropped connection a while back
12:12.24ChoHagWhy does a day have 24 haurs in it?
12:12.46dick_turpinSection 5.1 specifically states that malicious damage is not covered under our maintenance contract
12:14.32bilarhsooo....
12:14.41bilarhbiggest spending drop since 1980 according to the bbc
12:14.57bilarhspending by households down 1.2% in the first quarter
12:15.10bilarhi quote: "The only sector of the economy making a positive contribution to growth was government spending. "
12:15.22bilarhthat made me laugh :)
12:16.19ChoHagSo they're really doing us all a favour?
12:18.22bilarhyep
12:18.35bilarhluckily we have a government in charge that knows all about spending money :)
12:18.48ChoHagWell they're certainly very practiced.
12:22.23bilarhoh my
12:22.30bilarhyou can still buy a mk1 golf NEW
12:22.35bilarhin south africa
12:22.38bilarhhttp://www.vw.co.za/models/citi/gallery/
12:27.18DiscordianUKgah F11 has slipped by a week
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12:28.31morsingLinux sucks
12:28.44morsingHow do I find the firmware level for an HBA?
12:29.07DiscordianUKisn't this a linux channel?
12:30.02DiscordianUKand what in the name of tarnation is a HBA?
12:31.57Leedshost bus adapter
12:32.17DiscordianUKoh
12:32.28DiscordianUKthat makes me think of SCO
12:32.33Leedsan old-fashioned Unix term for a storage I/O card
12:32.46Leedsyes, exactly where I learnt the term :-)
12:33.00Leedsmorsing is an old-fashioned Unix sort of guy
12:33.51morsingThis is a a Linux oriented channel, however, no requirement to be in love with the crap
12:34.08DiscordianUKI'm pondering installing Unixware under Virtualbox
12:34.26Leedswhat the *FUCK* for?
12:34.28DiscordianUKI love this crap
12:34.42bilarhsuggest google might know about specialist HBA cards better than #gllug
12:34.50morsing*sigh*  So you're proven my point, Linux can't do the most trivial things...
12:34.57morsingbilarh: It doesn't
12:35.16morsingAnd they're not specialist. All the Linux servers I've worked with have had HBAs
12:35.27DiscordianUKI've used linux as my desktop os since 1994
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12:35.52DiscordianUKhe's a clear fa
12:35.56DiscordianUKFAIL
12:36.44bilarhhmm
12:37.00bilarhcan i reasonably take offence at being a point that was proven? :D
12:37.15DiscordianUKaye
12:38.00DiscordianUKand unixware because I can
12:38.19dick_turpinWhat flavour of Linux?
12:38.42DiscordianUKI use Fedora or CentOS
12:39.02dick_turpinI meant in 1994
12:39.24DiscordianUKSlackware then
12:39.32dick_turpinAh
12:39.41bilarhah the good old days of slack
12:39.48bilarhand rh3 :)
12:40.26DiscordianUKI went SLS->MCC->Yggdrasil->Slackware->RedHat
12:41.08DiscordianUKI've still got a boxed set of RH5.1
12:41.46dick_turpinI have a boxed set here now of RH 6.x
12:42.08bilarhi was flirting with the various bsd's for a while as well
12:42.22ChoHagDid they put out?
12:42.23DiscordianUKI know I have a boxed set of RH7 too
12:42.25bilarheven ran freebsd on a couple of cvs server back in the distant past
12:42.56DiscordianUKI played with netbsd/396bsd in 93
12:44.00dick_turpinI think my 1st was RH 5.5 (Or 6/7/ et al) I don't think it was 5.1 but who knows
12:44.04DiscordianUKI've a CD with all of 386BSD/NetBSD/Linux on it from 92
12:45.26halii always get a warm fuzzy feeling when running openbsd, it goes away after a couple of days when i get bored of it though
12:45.56halibilarh: do you remember those CD packs we bought in that computer shop in "briken backen"? :)
12:46.02halii still have one of them
12:46.04DiscordianUKdoes it still have the funky installer?
12:46.14haliDiscordianUK: the shell script you mean? :)
12:46.26dick_turpinI get a warm feeling every now and then until I realise bilarh is behind me
12:46.44DiscordianUKthe one where you need to describe the disk geometry
12:54.43bilarhhali: yep :D
13:07.13LeedsI still use slack
13:08.27DiscordianUKi've heard rumours slack even has a package manager now
13:09.32Leedsnah, 'tis a vicious inaccuracy
13:10.08Leedsbut I am genuinely looking forward to trying the new 64-bit version, coming soon...ish
13:10.30DiscordianUKyeah so I saw
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13:43.54lweightafternoon
13:44.24DiscordianUKevening
13:44.40lweightevening?
13:45.26DiscordianUKwell okay afternoon
13:46.41bilarh1 hour and 13 minutes to go
13:52.23lweightyou run on UTC?
13:53.00DiscordianUKUTC is the only sane time standard
13:53.29lweightFor now, perhaps.
13:53.32wethrinApart from it doesn't take into account the rotation of the earth.
13:53.39lweightI have a plan to address that issue
13:53.46DiscordianUKIt does though
13:53.48wethrinSo actually it's not good for actual people
13:53.55wethrinyou still need timezones
13:54.06bilarhlweight: bst
13:54.09DiscordianUKUTC isn't GMT
13:54.37lweightbilarh: yes!
13:54.52lweightum, have I bored you too with this idea?
13:55.18bilarhsorry you've lost me?
13:55.37lweightah ok, the other BST :)
13:55.54bilarhthe other one? there's two?
13:56.01wethrinUTC still requires offsets
13:56.08bilarhis this what the world has come to? :(
13:56.10lweightthere will be at some point, hopefully
13:56.12lweighthttp://carrierdetect.com/?p=110
14:00.51DiscordianUKhmm three hours still till the kebab shop opens
14:07.29lweightnothing like a traditional Friday meal :)
14:07.40bilarhmmm kebab
14:07.41DiscordianUKquite so
14:07.53DiscordianUKand it is traditional for me
14:07.54lweightelephant's leg kebab?
14:08.11DiscordianUKyeah lamb doner
14:08.38lweightis that meat form factor traditional?
14:08.42lweightI've always wondered
14:08.53DiscordianUKwith extra chilli
14:09.05DiscordianUKI think it is
14:09.25lweightI see
14:09.31DiscordianUKreal mechanically recovered meat
14:09.34bilarhwell there's doner and doner isn't there
14:10.35lweightlives in a pretty good area for kebabs
14:11.02lweightStoke Newington...
14:11.03DiscordianUKI've 5 kebab shops that will deliver here\
14:12.31lweightnever thought of kebab shops delivering
14:12.38lweightI wish fish and chip shops did
14:13.11DiscordianUKheh there's a chippie here that does
14:14.00lweightI had them yesterday, though
14:14.07lweightI should cook, really.
14:14.09DiscordianUKit does chinese foo too
14:14.11Leedsmy local-to-work kebab shop closed a few months ago :-(
14:14.18Leedsmcdonalds and KFC both deliver here...
14:14.27lweightugh
14:14.37lweightI had McDonalds last night, for the first time in about 10 years
14:14.42DiscordianUKIf only UK KFCs delivered
14:14.49lweightI felt ill afterwards and ill when I got up
14:15.16DiscordianUKI live about 300 yards from a McD
14:15.39DiscordianUKI've been there exactly twice in 15 years
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14:17.30lweightI'm not sure McDonalds even qualifies as food
14:17.56lweightit's about as nutrional as /dev/zero
14:18.52DiscordianUKthat's a little unfair
14:19.06DiscordianUKit has uber calories
14:21.59lweightanyone know of anything geeky event-wise on this weekend?
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14:45.39Mohancan someone help me to fix the issue in this small bash script
14:45.42Mohanhttp://fpaste.org/paste/12644
14:46.55wethrinPlease to be consistent with your use of backticks, or $()
14:47.45wethrinShould you not need a $ after your TEST= ?
14:47.57Mohanwethrin i will change that.
14:48.00Leedsthat did come to mind, yes
14:48.23Mohanin bash you dont need that http://bash-hackers.org/wiki/doku.php/syntax/arrays
14:48.58wethrinbut you're running a command
14:49.40MohanThe problem i'm having here is i am trying to pass a dynamic var inside a single quote command
14:50.55wethrinswap your double and single quotes around
14:51.05bilarhmohan: do you mean at the last line?
14:51.06bilarh19?
14:51.15wethrinOr use double quotes all the way through, and escape your internal doubles
14:51.27Mohanand if i remove the single quote the < > i/o redirections error, if i escape everything command wont work
14:51.35wethrinpush \"<delete........<quit>\"
14:51.42wethrinEscape them, too
14:51.48Mohanbilarh: thats the command which runs all the parts in the array as a single command
14:52.01bilarhmohan: is that the one you're having problems with?
14:52.16bilarhoh it's "yold_date" etc?
14:52.27wethrinYour script is broken.
14:52.43wethrinYou're trying to do unnecessarily weird stuff with it
14:53.22bilarhmohan: why don't you just pass it in like this instead
14:53.23Mohanyup, though the script works fine the date value is not expanding in the final statement as its inside the single quote
14:53.40wethrin$MUTT -f $MBOX -e "set folder=/dev/null; set delete=yes; push\"\<delete-pattern\>~d $YOLD_DATE - $MOLD_DATE\<enter\>\<quit\>\""
14:53.48wethrinThat's what you should need
14:53.55bilarhTEST=(/usr/bin/mutt -f blah blah -e "set blah"
14:54.06bilarhwot he said ^^ ;)
14:54.09Mohanhttp://fpaste.org/paste/12616
14:54.35Mohani tired this one and someone in #bash advised to follow the array method
14:54.36bilarhalternatively, build a temporary cmd string that is correct
14:54.40bilarhthen shove that into the array
14:54.41wethrinMBOX=$MAIL is pointless
14:54.45wethrinWhy not just use $MBOX?
14:55.56bilarhmohan:  C='set folder=/dev/null; set delete=yes; push "<delete-pattern>~d '${YOLD_DATE}'-'${MOLD_DATE}'<enter><quit>"'; TEST=(/usr/bin/mutt ... -e $C ...);
14:56.14Mohanwethrin: i dont get any value for echo $MBOX in fedora/centos
14:56.27wethrinEr
14:56.29wethrin$MAIL
14:56.33wethrinObviously :)
14:56.49wethrinYou're assigning an existing variable to a new one, then you don't modify it
14:57.03Mohantrue, agreed.
14:57.22wethrinSo, you're trying to delete mail from an mbox
14:57.29wethrin'mail' is probably the more correct program to use
14:58.44wethrinAlso, this is a good reason to use Maildir
14:58.51wethrinmbox smells of poo and wee
14:58.58lweightheh
14:59.04lweightagress
14:59.11bilarhanyway, it's finally 16:00 so i'm off
14:59.12lweights/agress/agrees
14:59.13bilarhl8rs folks
14:59.16wethrinlater, slacker
14:59.20bilarhoi ;)
14:59.21wethrinHave a good bank holiday
14:59.27bilarhthank you
14:59.49Mohanwethrin: it works, thanks
14:59.55wethrinwhich? My line?
14:59.59Mohanyup
15:00.04wethrinyw :)
15:00.19wethrinRemember - use the simplest thing you can get away with
15:00.36wethrinarrays are decidedly unnecessary is this instance
15:01.00wethrinyou're wanting to run the whole command; you don't want to be fiddling with individual bits of it
15:04.48Mohanhmm, agreed.
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18:06.40DiscordianUKevening
18:21.39celestehgreetings
18:26.59DiscordianUKhi
19:59.06ChoHagG_MARKUP_DO_NOT_USE_THIS_UNSUPPORTED_FLAG     flag you should not use.
19:59.15ChoHagGood thing they cleared that up.
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