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| 07:48.07 | j0nr | morning all |
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| 08:29.07 | Mohan | morning all |
| 08:31.57 | bilarh | bloody hpux |
| 08:32.13 | bilarh | anyone know how to do the equivalent of grep -w not using -w? :) |
| 08:32.28 | cpufreak | your server is spouting blood at ylou? |
| 08:33.27 | cpufreak | do you not have ggrep? |
| 08:33.30 | bilarh | no not quite... "multi platform script" hell |
| 08:34.04 | cpufreak | use perl then |
| 08:34.32 | cpufreak | antiphase: I've found some renaults which are also fine examples of their class |
| 08:34.33 | cpufreak | some new |
| 08:35.01 | bilarh | it's an old csh script, perl is not an option at the moment |
| 08:35.33 | cpufreak | perl is always an option |
| 08:36.18 | antiphase | pr3l |
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| 08:48.15 | z00dax | so, here is a question for the car-people here. |
| 08:48.25 | z00dax | does the insurance group of a car change with age ? |
| 08:49.16 | cpufreak | no |
| 08:49.22 | cpufreak | however |
| 08:49.37 | cpufreak | insurers maintain another list |
| 08:49.47 | cpufreak | based on the claims for that type of car |
| 08:49.57 | cpufreak | which can drive the premium up or down |
| 08:50.11 | cpufreak | and also, there is a new form of insurance groups coming out quite soon, as 1-20 isn't enoug |
| 08:50.14 | cpufreak | new one going to 50 |
| 08:50.34 | z00dax | humm |
| 08:50.46 | cpufreak | but that'll only apply for new cars, naturally,. |
| 08:51.19 | z00dax | a guy down the street has a 99 S-class which he isnt going to take to Canada with him. however at 18, its going to be a tad high insurance |
| 08:51.28 | bilarh | odds on everyones premiums going up as a result? :) |
| 08:51.40 | cpufreak | z00dax: insurance on an S class would be surprisingly cheap |
| 08:51.55 | cpufreak | as they tend to be owned by old people, and thus don't get crashed much |
| 08:51.58 | cpufreak | however |
| 08:52.00 | z00dax | cpufreak: its a group 18, so the interweb tells me |
| 08:52.11 | cpufreak | doesn't matter, will still be cheap |
| 08:52.12 | z00dax | is not *that* old :) |
| 08:52.14 | bilarh | oooh, a group 18 car at 18 :D |
| 08:52.18 | bilarh | prepare to get raped, imo |
| 08:52.27 | cpufreak | the running costs of an S class will ream you |
| 08:52.31 | bilarh | hands z00dax a preparationary tub of vaseline |
| 08:52.38 | cpufreak | remember even if the car is cheap to buy, it wont be cheap to run |
| 08:52.44 | cpufreak | its still a 60k car when new. |
| 08:53.22 | z00dax | I'm not planning on getting rid of the ford ( which costs near peanuts ) ... the S-class might come in almost free, so would be something for now and again. |
| 08:53.35 | z00dax | isnt a Merc supposedly zero maintenence ? |
| 08:53.43 | z00dax | or is that just fud |
| 08:54.12 | cpufreak | they're reliabile cars |
| 08:54.18 | cpufreak | but you'll still need to replace bits which wear out |
| 08:54.24 | cpufreak | a 10 year old car will have worn out bits. |
| 08:54.40 | z00dax | true. this one has done 80k miles too |
| 08:56.22 | yaMatt | where abouts? |
| 08:56.34 | yaMatt | im doing the ramshakle rally, i need a cheap car to take to croatia |
| 08:59.04 | z00dax | yaMatt: Bexley |
| 08:59.38 | yaMatt | far side of london :) |
| 08:59.56 | yaMatt | what were you planning on doing with the car? |
| 09:00.57 | z00dax | erm, drive it every now and again ? It would mostly be a silly second car if i get it. Cant imagine using a 12mpg eco rate car for the daily commute |
| 09:01.30 | cpufreak | why get a boring barge for a silly car |
| 09:01.42 | cpufreak | its ideally suited for wafting to work |
| 09:01.59 | cpufreak | which engine is in it? |
| 09:02.11 | z00dax | S500L |
| 09:02.24 | z00dax | a 'barge' is actually quite a good way to describe that |
| 09:02.57 | yaMatt | heheh, does it have a tiller to stear? |
| 09:04.03 | cpufreak | so a 340bhp v8 |
| 09:05.06 | yaMatt | z00dax, whats its condition like? |
| 09:06.28 | z00dax | I've not looked under the hood or anything, as yet - but the car looks quite clean from the outside, I've driven it with him a couple of times over the last 8 odd years I've known him and it handles well. |
| 09:06.42 | z00dax | having said that, I've not driven another s-class, so dont have any frame of ref. |
| 09:07.04 | z00dax | I've driven an A8 once. I prefer this merc instead. |
| 09:09.26 | hali | morning |
| 09:09.38 | antiphase | I saw a C63 AMG ripping down Fulham Palace Road earlier |
| 09:17.34 | z00dax | cpufreak: whats your recommandation on a second car, cost cap of 3k |
| 09:19.41 | z00dax | aviva ( norwich union ) want £55/month to insure that car |
| 09:26.46 | cpufreak | depends what you want to do |
| 09:27.06 | cpufreak | if you want to have fun, and learn to drive properly, for that budget I'd recommend you get an MX5 |
| 09:27.19 | cpufreak | despite their hair dresser reputation, they're genuinely good cars to drive |
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| 10:08.52 | kraptv | What about a Nissan Micra? |
| 10:13.14 | cpufreak | he wants a fun 2nd car |
| 10:13.15 | cpufreak | not a shitbox |
| 10:21.19 | kraptv | oh. fun, whoops! |
| 10:21.52 | kraptv | the mx-5 is completely fun and well regarded and a fairly hackable platform. |
| 10:27.17 | kraptv | dies |
| 10:33.22 | antiphase | MG TF |
| 10:35.24 | kjs | I hate BT, 120 quid to move my line to my new house... |
| 10:37.19 | cpufreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.23 | cpufreak | er I had |
| 10:38.40 | kjs | yeah |
| 10:38.49 | kjs | they are saying there is no line at the new place |
| 10:38.56 | kjs | even though there clearly is... |
| 10:42.51 | kraptv | kjs: they will quote you that but often times they take it back realizing the pair are unwired at the local exchange. |
| 10:43.01 | kraptv | I had this experience last week. |
| 10:43.28 | kraptv | although they had not punched down the correct pair, so the line would ring but not provide actual dial tone. |
| 10:44.06 | kraptv | So, another threat of 120GBP to "repair" it... I will dispute if either charges appear. |
| 11:11.11 | kraptv | but good luck. which ISP are you going to go with if you need it? |
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| 11:17.43 | kraptv | apologises |
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| 11:19.05 | dick_turpin | Ooh what for? |
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| 12:10.52 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: hey honey bun :-) |
| 12:12.44 | boudiccas | hi dick_turpin |
| 12:13.10 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: And is the day treating you so far? |
| 12:14.17 | boudiccas | pretty good, my american snuff parcel has just arrived so i'm in a good mood atm :) |
| 12:15.24 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Shoving a Yank up your nose again aye? |
| 12:15.40 | boudiccas | how a re things with you and the biscuit lady :) ??? |
| 12:16.00 | boudiccas | no yank, just yankee snuff |
| 12:17.23 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Oh god don't she made me take her to buy a Wii last night, 5am this morning she's chomping at the bit to go on the bloody Wii fit board |
| 12:17.40 | boudiccas | lol |
| 12:17.56 | dick_turpin | 40 years old going on 12 |
| 12:18.23 | boudiccas | encourage her, she's helping to keep you young :) |
| 12:18.43 | dick_turpin | I did get a huge belly laugh out of it |
| 12:19.09 | boudiccas | what were you laugning at? please, tell us too |
| 12:19.15 | boudiccas | *laughing |
| 12:19.48 | dick_turpin | This game takes your height, weight and age then gets you to do a couple of simple tests then comes back with you age based on the data its collected, guess what she got? |
| 12:19.58 | boudiccas | no idea |
| 12:20.10 | dick_turpin | 52 I laughed my guts out |
| 12:20.14 | boudiccas | lol |
| 12:20.28 | boudiccas | i bet she just loved that :)))) |
| 12:20.36 | dick_turpin | Yeah trouble is I don't think she was too impressed |
| 12:20.47 | boudiccas | too bad |
| 12:21.08 | wethrin | The Wii is great. |
| 12:21.24 | dick_turpin | That's nothing one daughter (Hannah 17yrs) got 38 years old! |
| 12:21.54 | boudiccas | and what did it show for you dick_turpin ? |
| 12:22.17 | boudiccas | presuming that everyone had a go on it |
| 12:22.25 | dick_turpin | is not stupid and has no account on the Wii |
| 12:22.33 | boudiccas | fair enough |
| 12:23.23 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Meh the only thing I did like was it has built in Wifi which worked like a charm you have to buy the adaptor for Xbox360 |
| 12:24.05 | boudiccas | who makes the wii? |
| 12:24.07 | wethrin | The games are fun, though! |
| 12:24.09 | wethrin | Nintendo |
| 12:24.16 | boudiccas | ah, thanks |
| 12:26.10 | dick_turpin | The misses friend is a cow bag told her husband he had to do the hand movements too with this one game, so there he is waving his arms round like a dick head during the interval before the next challenge copying the character while the wife films him to show to all her mates |
| 12:26.22 | wethrin | ouch |
| 12:26.26 | wethrin | It'll end up on Youtube |
| 12:27.44 | boudiccas | i still cant watch youtube stuff, it crashes my firefox, but i can at least watch films on this machine |
| 12:27.45 | dick_turpin | I have this vision of him doing 'The Charleston' combined with Thia dancing type movements |
| 12:28.11 | wethrin | Try a better web browser. |
| 12:28.20 | boudiccas | such as? opera? |
| 12:28.25 | dick_turpin | IE7 |
| 12:28.29 | wethrin | Chroma. |
| 12:28.31 | wethrin | Er |
| 12:28.32 | wethrin | Chrome. |
| 12:28.46 | boudiccas | hah! i wouldnt touch internet exploder with a barge pole |
| 12:29.01 | wethrin | It ain't as bad as it used to be :) |
| 12:29.07 | wethrin | But it's still quite slow |
| 12:29.10 | dick_turpin | Just being a bugger bo as usual :-) |
| 12:29.11 | wethrin | but then, so's Firefox |
| 12:30.26 | dick_turpin | I have Chrome running on this openSUSE box TBH its pretty "Meh and the points is?" |
| 12:31.14 | boudiccas | in what way is chrome better than firefox? |
| 12:31.25 | wethrin | Nicer rendering, for a start :) |
| 12:31.32 | wethrin | Better Javascript engine, so it's faster |
| 12:31.37 | wethrin | Each tab is a separate process |
| 12:31.45 | wethrin | so if one crashes, it doesn't take down the whole browser |
| 12:31.49 | dick_turpin | I want to try out Midori which is supposed to be like shit off a shovel, its installed but won't run :-( |
| 12:32.06 | boudiccas | ah, thats a good point, the crashing tab |
| 12:32.26 | wethrin | Midori is a melon liqueur |
| 12:32.37 | wethrin | And I like that it has the Unibar |
| 12:32.59 | wethrin | so I can just either go to a web page or query google, without having to bother about which little box I'm in |
| 12:34.06 | boudiccas | well firefox has that ability too, you can query google whichever tab you're on |
| 12:34.16 | dick_turpin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midori_(web_browser) |
| 12:35.38 | boudiccas | its green, it must be midori :) |
| 12:37.22 | wethrin | boudiccas: You have to go to the Google Search box, though |
| 12:37.28 | wethrin | which is different to the address bar |
| 12:37.32 | wethrin | Chrome combines the two |
| 12:38.02 | boudiccas | its next to the address bar, its no hardship to just scoot a bit further to the right |
| 12:38.45 | boudiccas | this is on firefox 3.0.11 |
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| 13:41.11 | dick_turpin | Blimey just had a go with that Midori under XP Pro (Cant get it running under o'SUSE) tried 5 different site url's, now that's fast! |
| 14:25.04 | yaMatt | i do love midori |
| 14:25.09 | yaMatt | i might move to it from firefox |
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| 16:38.41 | cpufreak | buy my car http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1164540.htm |
| 16:40.14 | hali | 28k buys like 3 new green cars :-) |
| 16:41.23 | cpufreak | yeh but |
| 16:44.09 | cpufreak | which would you prefer? |
| 16:44.21 | cpufreak | a modern classic, capable of comfortably crusing at 300km/h |
| 16:44.42 | cpufreak | or a 3 shitboxes, which are cramped, slow and dull |
| 16:45.17 | yaMatt | 1.5 just passable cars |
| 16:45.21 | yaMatt | the half is important |
| 16:46.55 | cpufreak | there's less than 400 RHD M3 CSLs aroudn now |
| 16:46.58 | cpufreak | its rare, and brilliant |
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| 21:03.35 | hali | z00dax: are you going to redhat summit this year? |
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| 22:41.45 | z00dax | hali: nope, its in the wrong continent |
| 22:42.04 | z00dax | also, i need someone to pay for it. there is zero possibility of paying for it out of my own pockets |
| 23:30.03 | mtd | bah - never fails. home RAID array loses a disk < 10 hours before > 5 day intl travel commences. |
| 23:30.20 | z00dax | mtd: ouch |
| 23:30.23 | mtd | MTBF = 1 [intl trip] |
| 23:31.23 | mtd | z00dax: well it's rebuilding from spare, but, yeah nice to have shit disk performance when you're trying to archives photos off memory cards the wife forgot to clean |
| 23:31.23 | mtd | s/archives/archive/ |
| 23:31.58 | z00dax | depends on how much you trust the interface... if trust >=lots; just reduce the prio of the rebuild. |
| 23:32.06 | mtd | ibot: thanks, but that's not a hugely required service. |
| 23:32.06 | ibot | mtd: pas de quoi |
| 23:32.44 | mtd | z00dax: heh with 0 spare disks I don't trust anything :) |
| 23:33.52 | cpufreak | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY9u0LxIWJk |
| 23:35.09 | z00dax | heh |
| 23:37.14 | z00dax | cpufreak: I'm not really all that keen on small cars. I had a honda s2000 for a while. very nice car, but wow - it was a right matchbox. |