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00:35.08 | gregj | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7ilsRjM114&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div |
00:42.11 | Leeds | oh well, if I *must* have cake for breakfast... |
01:05.39 | gregj | goes to sleep |
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04:59.54 | morsing | Leeds! |
08:38.14 | EmleyMoor | enjoyed last night |
08:38.39 | morsing | EmleyMoor! |
08:39.27 | hali | morning |
08:39.37 | EmleyMoor | shifted about 13 thirds and a half |
09:13.41 | mtd | morning |
09:17.19 | morsing | Beer |
09:23.16 | wethrin | No, beer was yesterday |
09:23.26 | morsing | wethrin! |
09:38.25 | mtd | anyone go to the london lonix meeting last night? unfort. I missed it :( |
09:38.39 | morsing | mtd: EmleyMoor did |
09:43.54 | morsing | wethrin: Where's mtd? |
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10:15.04 | morsing | celesteh! |
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10:38.55 | cityLights1 | hi |
10:39.25 | cityLights1 | ok, I run xrand to use the tv with my radeon gfx card |
10:39.40 | cityLights1 | I want a way to know if the tv mode is on |
10:39.56 | cityLights1 | I can run xrandr and parse the output - right? |
10:39.58 | wethrin | Plug it into a TV? |
10:40.07 | cityLights1 | hi wethrin |
10:40.11 | wethrin | hi |
10:40.17 | cityLights1 | do you have an ati gfx card? |
10:40.26 | wethrin | No idea. |
10:40.49 | wethrin | The only things that have graphics are my laptops |
10:41.05 | cityLights1 | I just want to get an idea of how to make a smart script |
10:41.05 | wethrin | And they're whatever Apple put into them |
10:41.11 | wethrin | So I think it's nVidia for the MBP |
10:41.47 | cityLights1 | I was thinking something along the lines of |
10:41.51 | cityLights1 | xrandr -q |grep 800x600 |
10:42.06 | wethrin | never used xrandr, so can't comment |
10:42.12 | cityLights1 | and grep the string that means the tv mode is set |
10:42.18 | cityLights1 | pls bare with me |
10:42.28 | wethrin | grep -i tv |
10:42.29 | wethrin | ? |
10:42.42 | cityLights1 | I need a way to say if I got the string I am expecting |
10:42.53 | cityLights1 | cause then I have the tv mode on |
10:42.59 | wethrin | Oh, that's easy |
10:43.00 | cityLights1 | how do we do that? |
10:43.02 | wethrin | use the exit codes |
10:43.15 | wethrin | run a command, then 'echo $?' |
10:43.48 | cityLights1 | for example if the string tv is in there exit with 0? |
10:43.54 | wethrin | grep will exit 0 if it finds a match; exit 1 if it doesn't |
10:43.55 | wethrin | Yep |
10:44.04 | cityLights1 | xrandr -q |grep tv &&exit 0? |
10:44.36 | wethrin | no. |
10:44.43 | wethrin | that's a nullop |
10:45.19 | wethrin | Anything after the && would get executed if grep outputs 0 |
10:45.38 | cityLights1 | [-e xrandr -q |grep tv ] ? |
10:45.49 | wethrin | no. |
10:45.54 | wethrin | -e tests if a file exists |
10:46.08 | cityLights1 | right |
10:46.30 | cityLights1 | I meant if the string the the grep give is empty |
10:47.00 | cityLights1 | on to the next question, do you use pulseaudio? |
10:49.43 | wethrin | Nope |
10:49.54 | wethrin | You should just check grep's exist status |
10:50.09 | wethrin | if [ xrandr -q <pipe> grep tv ]; |
10:50.19 | wethrin | I think that should work. But this laptop here doesn't have a pipe character |
10:50.48 | morsing | Beer |
10:51.33 | wethrin | Eh. I can't be bothered getting it to work right now |
10:51.39 | wethrin | have a play yourself, though |
10:51.53 | morsing | cityLights1! |
10:52.04 | cityLights1 | morsing !! |
10:52.32 | cityLights1 | so do you use pulse audio? |
10:52.46 | morsing | cityLights1: I use pulse dialing |
10:52.49 | cityLights1 | btw, breaking news is an excelent show on tv |
10:52.54 | cityLights1 | didnt know about it |
10:53.09 | Mohan | cityLights1: whats with pulse audio ? |
10:53.40 | cityLights1 | pulse is an audio layer that comes above alsa |
10:53.43 | wethrin | Aha |
10:53.54 | cityLights1 | so the programs send the audio to pulse and not to alsa |
10:54.03 | wethrin | if [ $(xrandr -q | grep tv) ] ; then |
10:54.14 | cityLights1 | thanks |
10:54.22 | morsing | Cawfy |
10:54.26 | Mohan | ok |
10:54.29 | cityLights1 | right , now I need to write it |
10:54.38 | wethrin | Linux Audio just isn't worth my time. |
10:54.50 | morsing | s/Linux Audio/Linux/ |
10:55.06 | cityLights1 | so then you can direct the audio to the headphones |
10:55.27 | cityLights1 | or you can direct audio to a diffrent pc |
10:55.48 | Mohan | wethrin: i had no issues with linux audio whatsoever |
10:55.54 | cityLights1 | so you can play music of your pda to the pc's speakers |
10:55.55 | morsing | Mohan: I have... |
10:56.18 | wethrin | morsing: You may say that; I disagree. I use it for my home fileserver, and it's working fine. (Now that the fileserver's running on decent hardware) |
10:56.24 | cityLights1 | the best thing is the ability to use bluetooth headphones |
10:56.36 | cityLights1 | wethrin - got bluetooth? |
10:56.44 | wethrin | On my phone, yes |
10:57.20 | morsing | wethrin: Same here |
10:57.21 | Mohan | morsing: I know that you always had problem with linux+ |
10:57.30 | morsing | Mohan: Not just me... |
10:57.33 | cityLights1 | and what about wireless headphones , so you wont bother your flatmate? |
10:57.52 | wethrin | I don't have a flatmate. |
10:58.02 | cityLights1 | hmm |
10:58.05 | wethrin | I have wireless headphones in the office. They're running on FM |
10:58.09 | morsing | wethrin: You don't even have a flat... Or mates ;) |
10:58.21 | Mohan | both my laptops use linux, I can do everything that i can do with windows in those laptops. |
10:58.21 | wethrin | yes. Thanks :-P |
10:58.21 | Mohan | so what difference do its make. |
10:58.43 | morsing | Mohan: Ermm... Comparing it to rubbish doesn't impress me |
10:58.58 | cityLights1 | well you can change th out from the speakers to the headphones on the fly |
11:00.03 | cityLights1 | and you can tell your phone application to ring in the speakers, while the music plays at the headphones |
11:00.13 | cityLights1 | and the movies audio go to the tv set |
11:00.25 | cityLights1 | basiclly managing audio output |
11:00.45 | cityLights1 | anyway I still didnt see it all work as it should |
11:00.47 | Mohan | morsing: The point here is can do everything in linux that i can do with a normal pc independent of OS |
11:01.26 | cityLights1 | wethrin: just so I know, what do you like to use your pcs for? |
11:01.32 | cityLights1 | games? |
11:01.39 | wethrin | Nope |
11:01.59 | wethrin | My home computers are mostly for doing internetty things, photos, and that sort |
11:02.03 | cityLights1 | making $$ by writing sql stuff then buy beer? |
11:02.08 | wethrin | Eww, sql |
11:02.40 | wethrin | I have games consoles for games |
11:02.50 | Mohan | cityLights1: you can even play windows games in linux if you want. |
11:02.51 | cityLights1 | I dont game |
11:03.16 | wethrin | computers are just a tool to help me get what I need done |
11:03.56 | cityLights1 | well I also do alot of reading on the web |
11:03.59 | Mohan | you can use cedega for playing games, but i dont play games that much |
11:04.06 | cityLights1 | and pcs are phones to me |
11:04.54 | cityLights1 | using voip I went from 100$ mothly phone bill to 10$ in two months |
11:05.20 | cityLights1 | I use mythtv, so I use them to see tv and movies |
11:05.41 | Mohan | cityLights1: who is your sip provider ? |
11:05.57 | cityLights1 | I am from Israel |
11:06.10 | cityLights1 | so it wont help you in london |
11:06.19 | cityLights1 | but you can try terrasip |
11:06.56 | cityLights1 | did hali disapper? |
11:06.56 | Mohan | oh ok, I use coms.com . they are really good. |
11:07.16 | cityLights1 | well thnaks, wethrin. are you plaing to go to fosdem next year? |
11:07.33 | cityLights1 | Mohan: latency? |
11:08.42 | wethrin | Yeah, I should be there |
11:08.59 | cityLights1 | did you go this year? |
11:09.23 | Mohan | the voice quality is good, may be 10 sec difference or less than that. |
11:11.07 | Mohan | they will give you a free uk landline no and not restricted with geoip basis. |
11:11.35 | cityLights1 | so I can receive calls in the uk for free? |
11:11.48 | Mohan | calls to 0800 numbers are free, |
11:12.11 | Mohan | yeah you can recieve free incoming calls to uk landline from anywhere around the world |
11:12.35 | cityLights1 | nice |
11:12.56 | cityLights1 | ok, time to study. |
11:12.59 | cityLights1 | bye guys |
11:13.11 | Mohan | bye. |
11:13.36 | cityLights1 | (Mohan.gender == male )? |
11:13.39 | wethrin | I did go this year |
11:13.49 | cityLights1 | was it nice as b4? |
11:14.00 | wethrin | The beer was good |
11:14.06 | cityLights1 | :-) |
11:14.07 | wethrin | I'm caring less and less for the talks, though |
11:14.19 | Mohan | cityLights1: yeah |
11:15.28 | cityLights1 | I need to find a stratagy to bring my SO to fosdem |
11:15.37 | cityLights1 | so we can both enjot |
11:15.40 | cityLights1 | enjoy |
11:15.42 | wethrin | I suggest a plane |
11:15.47 | wethrin | and a hotel room |
11:16.14 | cityLights1 | :lol |
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11:23.37 | cityLights1 | oh oh |
11:23.55 | cityLights1 | is there a channel here to ask questions in algebra? |
11:24.30 | cityLights1 | I am taking algebra2 now, and may need some advise with matrics |
11:24.33 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
11:24.50 | cityLights1 | dick_turpin? |
11:25.13 | dick_turpin | morsing: You coming to bilarh's leaving do? Its gonna be awesome |
11:25.19 | morsing | Yes! |
11:25.52 | dick_turpin | cityLights1: Whaa? |
11:28.21 | morsing | sneezes in dick_turpin's tea |
11:28.36 | dick_turpin | Nice |
11:32.45 | cityLights1 | bye bye |
11:32.48 | morsing | nukeu666! |
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11:41.22 | EmleyMoor | Anyone else have a power cut? |
11:41.48 | morsing | EmleyMoor! |
11:41.55 | morsing | EmleyMoor: I had a hair cut |
11:42.34 | Mohan | kjs: stop ntpd server, ntpdate ntpserver-ip should update the local time |
11:42.39 | EmleyMoor | morsing: Is it part of my circuit? |
11:42.50 | morsing | Mohan: Wrong channel |
11:42.52 | EmleyMoor | 25 mins outage in NW9 |
11:42.54 | morsing | EmleyMoor: Yes |
11:43.00 | Mohan | oops wrong window. |
11:43.12 | EmleyMoor | morsing: So, it's your fault <g> |
11:43.15 | morsing | Nice |
11:43.20 | morsing | EmleyMoor: Where's Sally? |
11:43.27 | EmleyMoor | Sally? |
11:43.37 | morsing | Yes, Sally |
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11:43.45 | EmleyMoor | Who's Sally? |
11:43.49 | morsing | Armand! |
11:44.00 | morsing | EmleyMoor: It's top secret |
11:44.49 | EmleyMoor | Obviously even from me |
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12:08.48 | morsing | Armand! |
12:09.16 | morsing | Armand! |
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13:46.45 | morsing | Leeds! |
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13:56.00 | morsing | Beer |
14:29.37 | hali | nasty |
14:34.38 | morsing | Cawfy |
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15:01.39 | mindbendr | http://www.sysadminday.com |
15:05.33 | cpufreak | last week |
15:11.41 | mindbendr | seen anyone taken this seriously? |
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15:32.38 | bilarh | santa pod on sunday :D |
16:12.10 | mindbendr | does anyone know a way of extending LVM type partition |
16:21.06 | cpufreak | lvextend |
16:21.11 | mindbendr | partition table |
16:21.28 | antiphase | Just add the spare space as another PV |
16:21.39 | mindbendr | antiphase: but you'll end up loads of partition eventually |
16:21.42 | antiphase | Or... pvextend? |
16:22.06 | antiphase | Oh dear, there isn't one :P |
16:22.16 | mindbendr | there's pv resize |
16:22.35 | mindbendr | i have done pvcreate;vgextend;lvextend,resize2fs |
16:22.47 | mindbendr | still i wonder how can it be done |
16:22.52 | mindbendr | if you have got a storage array |
16:23.02 | antiphase | You add the new bit as a new PV |
16:23.08 | antiphase | which is the point of LVM |
16:23.16 | mindbendr | yeah but still not tidy |
16:23.21 | antiphase | o.O |
16:23.38 | Leeds | er... that *is* the point of LVM, and it does it pretty well |
16:23.40 | mindbendr | so when you do an fdisk |
16:23.47 | antiphase | Obviously you're putting LVM on RAID anyway, so if you add another huge chunk of storage it will just be one extra PV |
16:23.52 | mindbendr | you end up 2 LVM partitions and if you forget it's part of the vg |
16:23.54 | mindbendr | you are screwed |
16:24.01 | cpufreak | well |
16:24.12 | cpufreak | if you do that |
16:24.14 | Leeds | why would you be trying to fdisk an LVM partition? |
16:24.15 | cpufreak | then you're a fucking idiot |
16:24.23 | cpufreak | and shouldn't have root |
16:24.25 | antiphase | sniggers |
16:24.34 | cpufreak | why are you partitioning lvm volumes anyway? |
16:24.38 | mindbendr | I don't |
16:24.42 | mindbendr | some idiot did it here |
16:24.44 | mindbendr | on a template.img file |
16:24.53 | mindbendr | so dd'ing that file to an LVM volume ends up |
16:24.54 | cpufreak | so just have lvm on the raw luns |
16:24.56 | mindbendr | LVM in LVM |
16:25.01 | antiphase | It's Friday and past 1700. An ideal time to blat it and start again |
16:25.02 | Mohan | In fdisk if you print the available partitions it will show its an lvm partition type |
16:25.11 | mindbendr | Mohan: yeah it does |
16:25.19 | Leeds | and it won't check it on an fsck -a |
16:25.24 | mindbendr | so when you extend the disk on Dom0 |
16:25.38 | mindbendr | in the guest, you can see it's extended physically |
16:25.41 | Mohan | you can list the disks in pv and check if that partition is a member of it. |
16:25.53 | Leeds | lvm++ |
16:26.00 | mindbendr | but you end up having /boot , and LVM partitions which you can't extend so you end up creating a new partition and add it as PV |
16:26.03 | mindbendr | which sucks |
16:26.08 | Leeds | also, agk++ in a related way :) |
16:26.12 | mindbendr | Mohan: still untidy :) |
16:26.43 | Mohan | well thats the way it works and its very handy to add newspace. |
16:26.49 | mindbendr | it is |
16:26.58 | mindbendr | still it's strange parted doesn't support LVM type partitions |
16:27.43 | Mohan | I have not tested myself but gparted is built over parted and it does support lvm |
16:27.47 | antiphase | It sounds like you have the wrong end of at least one stick |
16:29.20 | mindbendr | gparted is a gnome tool i assume |
16:29.24 | Leeds | I've got a large LVM filesystem here which has probably had every drive in it replaced at least twice - every few months I buy a bigger drive, swap out one of the smaller older ones and migrate it |
16:32.52 | mindbendr | Leeds: so do you use pvremove ? |
16:33.19 | Leeds | nope |
16:33.32 | mindbendr | how do you migrate the data from the drive that's going to be removed? |
16:34.00 | Mohan | leeds: pvmove ? |
16:34.03 | Leeds | er, pvmove? |
16:35.04 | Leeds | it's not fast, but it works well |
16:35.21 | mindbendr | ah that's the one sorry. |
16:36.18 | Mohan | leeds: Isnt it risky ? if something goes wrong the whole lvm is gone right ? |
16:36.32 | Leeds | sure, that's what backups (ahem) are for |
16:36.57 | Leeds | anyway, nothing has gone wrong (enough) in years of using it - although I'm just talking about using it at home for media stuff, nothing *too* important |
16:37.56 | wethrin | bittorrent will have backups :) |
16:38.48 | Leeds | not for stuff I downloaded a decade ago |
16:39.06 | wethrin | you may be surprised :) |
16:39.09 | Mohan | provided you have a fast connection you can restore in a day. |
16:39.32 | wethrin | if I can download a terabyte in a day, I'd be a happy man |
16:39.55 | Leeds | my /big_storage is 2.3TB now |
16:40.46 | Mohan | wethrin: what would you download for a terabyte btw ? even if you do download them you cant view/read it in oneday. |
16:43.51 | wethrin | True. But it means I wouldn't be able to restore in a day :) |
16:58.18 | mindbendr | Mohan: the whole lvm isn't gone, you can recovery it partiallyt |
16:58.25 | mindbendr | Mohan: by using lvremove |
16:58.39 | mindbendr | sorry pvremove |
16:58.47 | mindbendr | or something like that, I've read about it |
16:58.58 | mindbendr | have a good weekend people. |
17:16.23 | cityLights1 | anyone still active here |
17:16.25 | cityLights1 | ? |
17:38.43 | EmleyMoor | Yes |
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17:56.56 | ChoHag | W00t. |
17:56.59 | ChoHag | is online again. |
18:00.10 | ChoHag | Mmm it's nice to be within yards of the BT exchange. |
18:01.54 | wethrin | For faster IRCing? |
18:03.58 | ChoHag | What else is the internet for? |
18:05.11 | wethrin | Bittorrent |
18:05.38 | ChoHag | Oh, and, dialup is absolutely awful. |
18:05.59 | wethrin | Yes, yes it is. |
18:06.07 | wethrin | Mobile internet's about the same level now |
18:06.27 | ChoHag | Oh it's finally caught up to 'shit'? |
18:06.41 | wethrin | Yes |
18:16.37 | morsing | Beer |
18:16.58 | wethrin | Good idea. Once I get home |
18:17.36 | morsing | wethrin: What's for tea? |
18:18.16 | wethrin | I still have some lasagne for dinner |
18:18.20 | morsing | ChoHag: Where's wethrin? |
18:18.27 | wethrin | siiigh |
18:18.37 | wethrin | Don't I even get time to type a response!? |
18:18.49 | morsing | :) |
18:18.52 | morsing | *nuzzle* |
18:19.04 | ChoHag | We had beef curry. |
19:00.41 | ChoHag | POE injector - make or buy? |
19:00.46 | morsing | boudiccas: Where's sally? |
19:22.26 | morsing | j0nr: Where's bilarh? |
19:33.45 | cityLights1 | ok, did anyone here get bluetooth to work with pulse audio? |
19:34.06 | morsing | ... |
19:35.13 | cityLights1 | well does anyone here know of a guide to setup TOR anonymizer? |
19:35.30 | morsing | cityLights1: Do you ever do anything normal? |
19:36.34 | cityLights1 | ya I clear the living room table |
19:36.39 | cityLights1 | took some time |
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19:38.25 | cityLights1 | morsing: as you are from London, is the finicial eviroment better now? |
19:39.05 | cityLights1 | I read some time ago that rent went up and wadges went down |
19:39.18 | cityLights1 | so many ppl couldnt afford living in London |
19:39.22 | morsing | isn't from London...?! |
19:39.34 | morsing | cityLights1: Where do you live? |
19:40.17 | cityLights1 | Oh I am in the desert of Israel |
19:40.23 | cityLights1 | long way from London |
19:40.38 | cityLights1 | in fact rent just went up here recently |
19:40.39 | cityLights1 | odd |
19:42.32 | morsing | Hmm... |
19:42.52 | cityLights1 | and work is hard to find |
19:43.03 | cityLights1 | especially as a programer |
19:43.42 | ChoHag | Then don't work as a programmer. |
19:43.56 | cityLights1 | I understood that local normal ppl in london rarly eat out |
19:44.10 | cityLights1 | is there any one to back this up? |
19:44.59 | morsing | cityLights1: They usually eat out |
19:45.20 | ChoHag | "Thus leading us to the obvious conclusion that all software should look like a nipple. - Eric the Read" |
19:45.25 | cityLights1 | so they must earn more... |
19:45.45 | morsing | cityLights1: Pub food is cheap here |
19:45.51 | morsing | Earn more than whom? |
19:46.44 | cityLights1 | I mean if ppl pay more then they used to "rent is up" - they must earn more |
19:46.56 | morsing | ...? |
19:47.10 | morsing | British people can't cook |
19:47.13 | cityLights1 | earn more then THEY used to |
19:47.26 | morsing | I don't get it... |
19:48.10 | cityLights1 | or they sepend less on other things |
19:48.19 | cityLights1 | like cloths and cellular phones |
19:48.43 | cityLights1 | pub food only recently began to be good here |
19:50.08 | ChoHag | Uh I can cook. |
20:01.44 | cityLights1 | I like cooking |
20:01.59 | cityLights1 | used to cook chinse |
20:02.08 | cityLights1 | today I prefer france cusion |
20:07.25 | cityLights1 | bye bye |
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