IRC log for #gllug on 20090807

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00:35.08gregjhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7ilsRjM114&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div
00:42.11Leedsoh well, if I *must* have cake for breakfast...
01:05.39gregjgoes to sleep
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04:59.54morsingLeeds!
08:38.14EmleyMoorenjoyed last night
08:38.39morsingEmleyMoor!
08:39.27halimorning
08:39.37EmleyMoorshifted about 13 thirds and a half
09:13.41mtdmorning
09:17.19morsingBeer
09:23.16wethrinNo, beer was yesterday
09:23.26morsingwethrin!
09:38.25mtdanyone go to the london lonix meeting last night?  unfort. I missed it :(
09:38.39morsingmtd: EmleyMoor did
09:43.54morsingwethrin: Where's mtd?
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10:15.04morsingcelesteh!
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10:38.55cityLights1hi
10:39.25cityLights1ok, I run xrand to use the tv with my radeon gfx card
10:39.40cityLights1I want a way to know if the tv mode is on
10:39.56cityLights1I can run xrandr and parse the output - right?
10:39.58wethrinPlug it into a TV?
10:40.07cityLights1hi wethrin
10:40.11wethrinhi
10:40.17cityLights1do you have an ati gfx card?
10:40.26wethrinNo idea.
10:40.49wethrinThe only things that have graphics are my laptops
10:41.05cityLights1I just want to get an idea of how to make a smart script
10:41.05wethrinAnd they're whatever Apple put into them
10:41.11wethrinSo I think it's nVidia for the MBP
10:41.47cityLights1I was thinking something along the lines of
10:41.51cityLights1xrandr -q |grep 800x600
10:42.06wethrinnever used xrandr, so can't comment
10:42.12cityLights1and grep the string that means the tv mode is set
10:42.18cityLights1pls bare with me
10:42.28wethringrep -i tv
10:42.29wethrin?
10:42.42cityLights1I need a way to say if I got the string I am expecting
10:42.53cityLights1cause then I have the tv mode on
10:42.59wethrinOh, that's easy
10:43.00cityLights1how do we do that?
10:43.02wethrinuse the exit codes
10:43.15wethrinrun a command, then 'echo $?'
10:43.48cityLights1for example if the string tv is in there exit with 0?
10:43.54wethringrep will exit 0 if it finds a match; exit 1 if it doesn't
10:43.55wethrinYep
10:44.04cityLights1xrandr -q |grep tv &&exit 0?
10:44.36wethrinno.
10:44.43wethrinthat's a nullop
10:45.19wethrinAnything after the && would get executed if grep outputs 0
10:45.38cityLights1[-e xrandr -q |grep tv ] ?
10:45.49wethrinno.
10:45.54wethrin-e tests if a file exists
10:46.08cityLights1right
10:46.30cityLights1I meant if the string the the grep give is empty
10:47.00cityLights1on to the next question, do you use pulseaudio?
10:49.43wethrinNope
10:49.54wethrinYou should just check grep's exist status
10:50.09wethrinif [ xrandr -q <pipe> grep tv ];
10:50.19wethrinI think that should work. But this laptop here doesn't have a pipe character
10:50.48morsingBeer
10:51.33wethrinEh. I can't be bothered getting it to work right now
10:51.39wethrinhave a play yourself, though
10:51.53morsingcityLights1!
10:52.04cityLights1morsing !!
10:52.32cityLights1so do you use pulse audio?
10:52.46morsingcityLights1: I use pulse dialing
10:52.49cityLights1btw, breaking news is an excelent show on tv
10:52.54cityLights1didnt know about it
10:53.09MohancityLights1: whats with pulse audio ?
10:53.40cityLights1pulse is an audio layer that comes above alsa
10:53.43wethrinAha
10:53.54cityLights1so the programs send the audio to pulse and not to alsa
10:54.03wethrinif [ $(xrandr -q | grep tv) ] ; then
10:54.14cityLights1thanks
10:54.22morsingCawfy
10:54.26Mohanok
10:54.29cityLights1right , now I need to write it
10:54.38wethrinLinux Audio just isn't worth my time.
10:54.50morsings/Linux Audio/Linux/
10:55.06cityLights1so then you can direct the audio to the headphones
10:55.27cityLights1or you can direct audio to a diffrent pc
10:55.48Mohanwethrin: i had no issues with  linux audio whatsoever
10:55.54cityLights1so you can play music of your pda to the pc's speakers
10:55.55morsingMohan: I have...
10:56.18wethrinmorsing: You may say that; I disagree. I use it for my home fileserver, and it's working fine. (Now that the fileserver's running on decent hardware)
10:56.24cityLights1the best thing is the ability to use bluetooth headphones
10:56.36cityLights1wethrin - got bluetooth?
10:56.44wethrinOn my phone, yes
10:57.20morsingwethrin: Same here
10:57.21Mohanmorsing: I know that you always had problem with linux+
10:57.30morsingMohan: Not just me...
10:57.33cityLights1and what about wireless headphones , so you wont bother your flatmate?
10:57.52wethrinI don't have a flatmate.
10:58.02cityLights1hmm
10:58.05wethrinI have wireless headphones in the office. They're running on FM
10:58.09morsingwethrin: You don't even have a flat... Or mates ;)
10:58.21Mohanboth my laptops use linux, I can do everything that i can do with windows in those laptops.
10:58.21wethrinyes. Thanks :-P
10:58.21Mohanso what difference do its make.
10:58.43morsingMohan: Ermm... Comparing it to rubbish doesn't impress me
10:58.58cityLights1well you can change th out from the speakers to the headphones on the fly
11:00.03cityLights1and you can tell your phone application to ring in the speakers, while the music plays at the headphones
11:00.13cityLights1and the movies audio go to the tv set
11:00.25cityLights1basiclly managing audio output
11:00.45cityLights1anyway I still didnt see it all work as it should
11:00.47Mohanmorsing: The point here is can do everything in linux that i can do with a normal pc independent of OS
11:01.26cityLights1wethrin: just so I know, what do you like to use your pcs for?
11:01.32cityLights1games?
11:01.39wethrinNope
11:01.59wethrinMy home computers are mostly for doing internetty things, photos, and that sort
11:02.03cityLights1making $$ by writing sql stuff then buy beer?
11:02.08wethrinEww, sql
11:02.40wethrinI have games consoles for games
11:02.50MohancityLights1: you can even play windows games in linux if you want.
11:02.51cityLights1I dont game
11:03.16wethrincomputers are just a tool to help me get what I need done
11:03.56cityLights1well I also do alot of reading on the web
11:03.59Mohanyou can use cedega for playing games, but i dont play games that much
11:04.06cityLights1and pcs are phones to me
11:04.54cityLights1using voip I went from 100$ mothly phone bill to 10$ in two months
11:05.20cityLights1I use mythtv, so I use them to see tv and movies
11:05.41MohancityLights1: who is your sip provider ?
11:05.57cityLights1I am from Israel
11:06.10cityLights1so it wont help you in london
11:06.19cityLights1but you can try terrasip
11:06.56cityLights1did hali disapper?
11:06.56Mohanoh ok, I use coms.com . they are really good.
11:07.16cityLights1well thnaks, wethrin. are you plaing to go to fosdem next year?
11:07.33cityLights1Mohan: latency?
11:08.42wethrinYeah, I should be there
11:08.59cityLights1did you go this year?
11:09.23Mohanthe voice quality is good, may be 10 sec difference or less than that.
11:11.07Mohanthey will give you a free uk landline no and not restricted with geoip basis.
11:11.35cityLights1so I can receive calls in the uk for free?
11:11.48Mohancalls to 0800 numbers are free,
11:12.11Mohanyeah you can recieve free incoming calls to uk landline from anywhere around the world
11:12.35cityLights1nice
11:12.56cityLights1ok, time to study.
11:12.59cityLights1bye  guys
11:13.11Mohanbye.
11:13.36cityLights1(Mohan.gender == male )?
11:13.39wethrinI did go this year
11:13.49cityLights1was it nice as b4?
11:14.00wethrinThe beer was good
11:14.06cityLights1:-)
11:14.07wethrinI'm caring less and less for the talks, though
11:14.19MohancityLights1: yeah
11:15.28cityLights1I need to find a stratagy to bring my SO to fosdem
11:15.37cityLights1so we can both enjot
11:15.40cityLights1enjoy
11:15.42wethrinI suggest a plane
11:15.47wethrinand a hotel room
11:16.14cityLights1:lol
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11:23.37cityLights1oh oh
11:23.55cityLights1is there a channel here to ask questions in algebra?
11:24.30cityLights1I am taking algebra2 now, and may need some advise with matrics
11:24.33morsingdick_turpin!
11:24.50cityLights1dick_turpin?
11:25.13dick_turpinmorsing: You coming to bilarh's leaving do? Its gonna be awesome
11:25.19morsingYes!
11:25.52dick_turpincityLights1: Whaa?
11:28.21morsingsneezes in dick_turpin's tea
11:28.36dick_turpinNice
11:32.45cityLights1bye bye
11:32.48morsingnukeu666!
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11:41.22EmleyMoorAnyone else have a power cut?
11:41.48morsingEmleyMoor!
11:41.55morsingEmleyMoor: I had a hair cut
11:42.34Mohankjs: stop ntpd server, ntpdate ntpserver-ip should update the local time
11:42.39EmleyMoormorsing: Is it part of my circuit?
11:42.50morsingMohan: Wrong channel
11:42.52EmleyMoor25 mins outage in NW9
11:42.54morsingEmleyMoor: Yes
11:43.00Mohanoops wrong window.
11:43.12EmleyMoormorsing: So, it's your fault <g>
11:43.15morsingNice
11:43.20morsingEmleyMoor: Where's Sally?
11:43.27EmleyMoorSally?
11:43.37morsingYes, Sally
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11:43.45EmleyMoorWho's Sally?
11:43.49morsingArmand!
11:44.00morsingEmleyMoor: It's top secret
11:44.49EmleyMoorObviously even from me
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12:08.48morsingArmand!
12:09.16morsingArmand!
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13:46.45morsingLeeds!
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13:56.00morsingBeer
14:29.37halinasty
14:34.38morsingCawfy
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15:01.39mindbendrhttp://www.sysadminday.com
15:05.33cpufreaklast week
15:11.41mindbendrseen anyone taken this seriously?
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15:32.38bilarhsanta pod on sunday :D
16:12.10mindbendrdoes anyone know a way of extending LVM type partition
16:21.06cpufreaklvextend
16:21.11mindbendrpartition table
16:21.28antiphaseJust add the spare space as another PV
16:21.39mindbendrantiphase: but you'll end up loads of partition eventually
16:21.42antiphaseOr... pvextend?
16:22.06antiphaseOh dear, there isn't one :P
16:22.16mindbendrthere's pv resize
16:22.35mindbendri have done pvcreate;vgextend;lvextend,resize2fs
16:22.47mindbendrstill i wonder how can it be done
16:22.52mindbendrif you have got a storage array
16:23.02antiphaseYou add the new bit as a new PV
16:23.08antiphasewhich is the point of LVM
16:23.16mindbendryeah but still not tidy
16:23.21antiphaseo.O
16:23.38Leedser... that *is* the point of LVM, and it does it pretty well
16:23.40mindbendrso when you do an fdisk
16:23.47antiphaseObviously you're putting LVM on RAID anyway, so if you add another huge chunk of storage it will just be one extra PV
16:23.52mindbendryou end up 2 LVM partitions and if you forget it's part of the vg
16:23.54mindbendryou are screwed
16:24.01cpufreakwell
16:24.12cpufreakif you do that
16:24.14Leedswhy would you be trying to fdisk an LVM partition?
16:24.15cpufreakthen you're a fucking idiot
16:24.23cpufreakand shouldn't have root
16:24.25antiphasesniggers
16:24.34cpufreakwhy are you partitioning lvm volumes anyway?
16:24.38mindbendrI don't
16:24.42mindbendrsome idiot did it here
16:24.44mindbendron a template.img file
16:24.53mindbendrso dd'ing that file to an LVM volume ends up
16:24.54cpufreakso just have lvm on the raw luns
16:24.56mindbendrLVM in LVM
16:25.01antiphaseIt's Friday and past 1700. An ideal time to blat it and start again
16:25.02MohanIn fdisk if you print the available partitions it will show its an lvm partition type
16:25.11mindbendrMohan: yeah it does
16:25.19Leedsand it won't check it on an fsck -a
16:25.24mindbendrso when you extend the disk on Dom0
16:25.38mindbendrin the guest, you can see it's extended physically
16:25.41Mohanyou can list the disks in pv and check if that partition is a member of it.
16:25.53Leedslvm++
16:26.00mindbendrbut you end up having /boot , and LVM partitions which you can't extend so you end up creating a new partition and add it as PV
16:26.03mindbendrwhich sucks
16:26.08Leedsalso, agk++ in a related way :)
16:26.12mindbendrMohan: still untidy :)
16:26.43Mohanwell thats the way it works and its very handy to add newspace.
16:26.49mindbendrit is
16:26.58mindbendrstill it's strange parted doesn't support LVM type partitions
16:27.43MohanI have not tested myself but gparted is built over parted and it does support lvm
16:27.47antiphaseIt sounds like you have the wrong end of at least one stick
16:29.20mindbendrgparted is a gnome tool i assume
16:29.24LeedsI've got a large LVM filesystem here which has probably had every drive in it replaced at least twice - every few months I buy a bigger drive, swap out one of the smaller older ones and migrate it
16:32.52mindbendrLeeds: so do you use pvremove ?
16:33.19Leedsnope
16:33.32mindbendrhow do you migrate the data from the drive that's going to be removed?
16:34.00Mohanleeds: pvmove ?
16:34.03Leedser, pvmove?
16:35.04Leedsit's not fast, but it works well
16:35.21mindbendrah that's the one sorry.
16:36.18Mohanleeds: Isnt it risky ? if something goes wrong the whole lvm is gone right ?
16:36.32Leedssure, that's what backups (ahem) are for
16:36.57Leedsanyway, nothing has gone wrong (enough) in years of using it - although I'm just talking about using it at home for media stuff, nothing *too* important
16:37.56wethrinbittorrent will have backups :)
16:38.48Leedsnot for stuff I downloaded a decade ago
16:39.06wethrinyou may be surprised :)
16:39.09Mohanprovided you have a fast connection you can restore in a day.
16:39.32wethrinif I can download a terabyte in a day, I'd be a happy man
16:39.55Leedsmy /big_storage is 2.3TB now
16:40.46Mohanwethrin: what would you download for a terabyte btw ? even if you do download them you cant view/read it in oneday.
16:43.51wethrinTrue. But it means I wouldn't be able to restore in a day :)
16:58.18mindbendrMohan: the whole lvm isn't gone, you can recovery it partiallyt
16:58.25mindbendrMohan: by using lvremove
16:58.39mindbendrsorry pvremove
16:58.47mindbendror something like that, I've read about it
16:58.58mindbendrhave a good weekend people.
17:16.23cityLights1anyone still active here
17:16.25cityLights1?
17:38.43EmleyMoorYes
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17:56.56ChoHagW00t.
17:56.59ChoHagis online again.
18:00.10ChoHagMmm it's nice to be within yards of the BT exchange.
18:01.54wethrinFor faster IRCing?
18:03.58ChoHagWhat else is the internet for?
18:05.11wethrinBittorrent
18:05.38ChoHagOh, and, dialup is absolutely awful.
18:05.59wethrinYes, yes it is.
18:06.07wethrinMobile internet's about the same level now
18:06.27ChoHagOh it's finally caught up to 'shit'?
18:06.41wethrinYes
18:16.37morsingBeer
18:16.58wethrinGood idea. Once I get home
18:17.36morsingwethrin: What's for tea?
18:18.16wethrinI still have some lasagne for dinner
18:18.20morsingChoHag: Where's wethrin?
18:18.27wethrinsiiigh
18:18.37wethrinDon't I even get time to type a response!?
18:18.49morsing:)
18:18.52morsing*nuzzle*
18:19.04ChoHagWe had beef curry.
19:00.41ChoHagPOE injector - make or buy?
19:00.46morsingboudiccas: Where's sally?
19:22.26morsingj0nr: Where's bilarh?
19:33.45cityLights1ok, did anyone here get bluetooth to work with pulse audio?
19:34.06morsing...
19:35.13cityLights1well does anyone here know of a guide to setup TOR anonymizer?
19:35.30morsingcityLights1: Do you ever do anything normal?
19:36.34cityLights1ya I clear the living room table
19:36.39cityLights1took some time
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19:38.25cityLights1morsing: as you are from London, is the finicial eviroment better now?
19:39.05cityLights1I read some time ago that rent went up and wadges went down
19:39.18cityLights1so many ppl couldnt afford living in London
19:39.22morsingisn't from London...?!
19:39.34morsingcityLights1: Where do you live?
19:40.17cityLights1Oh I am in the desert of Israel
19:40.23cityLights1long way from London
19:40.38cityLights1in fact rent just went up here recently
19:40.39cityLights1odd
19:42.32morsingHmm...
19:42.52cityLights1and work is hard to find
19:43.03cityLights1especially as a programer
19:43.42ChoHagThen don't work as a programmer.
19:43.56cityLights1I understood that local normal ppl in london rarly eat out
19:44.10cityLights1is there any one to back this up?
19:44.59morsingcityLights1: They usually eat out
19:45.20ChoHag"Thus leading us to the obvious conclusion that all software should look like a nipple. - Eric the Read"
19:45.25cityLights1so they must  earn more...
19:45.45morsingcityLights1: Pub food is cheap here
19:45.51morsingEarn more than whom?
19:46.44cityLights1I mean if ppl pay more then they used to "rent is up" - they must earn more
19:46.56morsing...?
19:47.10morsingBritish people can't cook
19:47.13cityLights1earn more then THEY used to
19:47.26morsingI don't get it...
19:48.10cityLights1or they sepend less on other things
19:48.19cityLights1like cloths and cellular phones
19:48.43cityLights1pub food only recently began to be good here
19:50.08ChoHagUh I can cook.
20:01.44cityLights1I like cooking
20:01.59cityLights1used to cook chinse
20:02.08cityLights1today I prefer france cusion
20:07.25cityLights1bye bye
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