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07:53.48morsingkjs: Where's bilarh?
07:55.27Armand|Laptop--->
07:55.46morsingArmand|Laptop!
07:55.55morsing:)
07:56.00Armand|Laptopmorsing! :D
07:57.51morsingyaMatt: What's for breakfast?
08:03.31morsingDominic: Has bilarh ever done any work?
08:03.49ChoHagYesterday's freshly baked bread with butter. Why?
08:03.58morsing:))
08:03.59morsingChoHag!
08:04.04morsingBeer
08:04.12ChoHagNo beer for breakfast.t
08:07.35z00daxmorsing: check it
08:07.40morsingz00dax: Beer
08:07.47z00daxyes!
08:07.50morsingz00dax: Where's Cope?
08:08.58z00daxoverseeing the installation of a terrace on the boundary between his garden and the paddock out back
08:40.00yaMattmorning morsing
08:40.26morsingyaMatt: :)
08:41.57yaMattdont think you meant me did you :P
08:42.14yaMattbeer fried bacon sounds good
08:42.26morsingyaMatt: I did
08:42.40yaMattoh good :)
08:42.46morsing?
08:44.59yaMattim lost
08:48.21morsingyaMatt: Turn left and continue straight ahead
08:48.45yaMattthe new ps3 slim looks great
08:48.47yaMattbut no linux!
08:48.57morsingGood
08:49.36z00daxyaMatt: no linux ?
08:49.36yaMatthow is that good?
08:49.44morsingWhy does it matter?
08:49.53yaMattyaMatt, you can put linux on all the normal ps3's but not on the new smaler one
08:50.09morsingmorsing: What's for tea?
08:50.28z00daxyaMatt: really ? where did you see that ? last set of details that I saw, it still had kboot capability
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08:50.49yaMattengadget
08:50.56yaMattill try find the link
08:51.22yaMatthttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/18/ps3-slim-sized-up-smaller-deeper-no-linux-or-ps2-compatibilit/
08:52.01Armand|LaptopIt's so shit.. no PS2 games. >_<
08:52.16Armand|LaptopJust so they can keep selling the shitty old PS2 stock.
08:52.44Armand|LaptopI want a PS3 for GT5, but I don't want one because Sony are arseholes.
08:53.28z00daxthats quite interesting.
08:53.32yaMatti thought they been emulating ps3 games for a while
08:53.38yaMattps2*
08:53.55Armand|LaptopThe original release PS3 could do it.
08:54.08Armand|LaptopTherefore, there is NO reason the current PS3's shouldn't..
08:54.20Armand|Laptopaside from Sony being wankers.
08:55.03z00daxyaMatt: those guys dont get the linux angle in the comments, do they ?
08:56.01z00daxthe ps3 gives you, for $300, the same processor as half a qs21 which weights in at $7000
08:56.03yaMattz00dax, i havent read the, but they are engadget readers :)
08:56.41z00daxso, slap on a realtime kernel, get decent management in place, get amqp online, and you have a very potent cluster option
08:57.05Armand|Laptop"The PS1 can be emulated entirely in software. PS2 games need at least a little hardware support (the original 80GB removed the Emotion Engine [PS2 CPU], but not the Graphics Synthesizer [PS2 GPU])."
08:57.17Armand|LaptopHuummm... therefore *Sony = arseholes"
08:57.30Armand|Laptop" ? *
08:57.45z00daxI've seen atleast 3 such clusters in Telecity Soverign house / memaco house. And another very large one ( 1000 ps3's ) in Delhi. And I know there are quite a few academic setups with those too
08:58.45yaMatti wonder if the ps2 games needs hardware support because of drm stuff
08:59.31yaMattz00dax, there is a university in switzerland that has a 200 ps3 cluster, i did a project on it
08:59.39yaMatt1000 is huge
09:00.02z00daxyea
09:00.18z00daxthe only issue is the ram, need to keep job sizes down.
09:00.34z00daxbut if you are offloading to the spu's ( which one should be ) - its possible to churn fairly good numbers :)
09:01.21z00daxI am guessing the 80gb model staying around, is for this sort of a market. Cant see any other reason. And sony cant just make a computer around the chip due to contract issues with ibm
09:01.22yaMatti was inteded to use it for video editing and transcoding
09:02.06z00daxsounds signalling intensive.
09:04.12yaMatti was kind of hoping that linux on it made good use of the cpus
09:04.59Leedsthe ridiculous thing - nothing to do with clustering, etc. - is that the 80GB model is US$100 less than the 160GB model - but you can buy a 500GB 2.5inch drive for less than US$100 anywya
09:05.57z00daxLeeds: true
09:05.58yaMattyeah, i was just looking at that
09:06.16z00daxsony usually change the feature set, just a bit, between these models.
09:06.24Leedsso unless they've removed the option of replacing the hard drive yourself, you're *much* better off getting the cheaper one
09:06.26yaMattfor the price difference between the 80gb and the 160gb in the uk you can buy a 500gb drive here too
09:06.41yaMattLeeds, no, they give you the option to format and install a new hard disk
09:06.55LeedsyaMatt: I was wondering if that was still true for the slim
09:07.12yaMatti saw something that you can change the hard disk in it too
09:07.21yaMattalthough im not sure where looking at the photos
09:07.25z00daxthe guys working on the nv RSX hypervisor leak are going to be disapointed :)
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09:11.26yaMattthe slim isnt actually that much smaller
09:11.31yaMatthttp://www.engadget.com/photos/sonys-slimmer-ps3/2216342/
09:11.44yaMatthttp://www.engadget.com/photos/sonys-slimmer-ps3/2216340/
09:11.51yaMattits just shorter
09:16.31yaMattok, slim drive bay on the front
09:16.33yaMatthttp://www.engadget.com/photos/playstation-3-slim-unboxing-and-hands-on/2216913/
09:17.18z00daxso they make it easier to replace the hdd!
09:17.57z00daxmost games these days, even when for the ps2 are quite well done
09:18.28z00daxits not uncommon to hear people say that the cod4 was only marginally slower ( and only the real hardcore gamers notice )on the ps2 compared with the ps3.
09:18.50z00daxps2 support going away completely might now mean that people need to pay the £15 premium for a ps3 game now :)
09:19.34yaMattyeah, arent they going to be charging more for the games because the development costs are much higher?
09:20.50LeedsPS2 and PS3 are still selling very similar numbers, 2.5 years after the PS3 shipped
09:21.33yaMattthe ps3's biggest compettitor was the ps2
09:22.45Leedsand I think the xbox is still selling about as many units as PS2 and PS3 combined - and Wii more than that
09:23.07bilarhyou must be joking? who in their right mind would buy an xbox??
09:23.36Leeds360, I mean
09:23.43bilarhyeah i understood that :D
09:23.45bilarhbut even so
09:23.47Leedsthe failure rate is only about 50%, isn't it?
09:24.08bilarhhmm, then again... i'm probably not their intended audience... i'd be buying a console because of the blueray capability, not because of the games
09:24.17bilarhand how can wii sell more than ps2
09:24.20bilarhwii is shit
09:24.24bilarhi know, because i've got one
09:24.27bilarhthe graphics are abysmal
09:24.29wethrinI'll take it off your hands.
09:24.34bilarhit's like NES all over again
09:24.39z00daxi didnt think the xbox was that bit outside the USA
09:24.40wethrinYeah - it's *fun*
09:24.52z00daxeven here in the UK, most people seem to be on the sony bandwagon
09:24.57wethrinoffers bilarh 10 trillion dollars for his Wii :)
09:25.20LeedsI've got a wii - it's fun
09:25.21bilarhwethrin: zimbabwe dollars?
09:25.25wethrinYes.
09:25.30Leedsand if you want a bluray player - get a bluray player
09:25.40bilarhwethrin: funny anecdote:
09:25.45wethrinPS3 used to be the cheapest Bluray, some time back
09:25.49LeedsI should say... it's fun when I play it... which tends to go in phases
09:25.49z00daxbtw, i wonder how much work is involved in writing a 'game' for the ps3/xbox that is actually just a bootloader for linux :)
09:26.07Leedswethrin: but it certainly isn't now, is it?
09:26.10bilarhwethrin: the finance system where my wife works crashed because the exchange rate of 1gbp to xx zbw overflowed :D
09:26.17z00daxprolly be non trivial in sony devkit costs.
09:26.21wethrinLeeds: No. I saw some Bluray players in Aldi for £130
09:26.26wethrinbilarh: HA!
09:26.30Leedsyay Aldi!
09:26.44bilarhmy brother in law just bought a sony blueray player from curry's for 80 quid
09:26.50hali130 buys you a decent one from amazon
09:27.17halia fancy one (and im a ponts) costs about 200
09:27.43bilarhi don't care what it costs, i just want to watch movies :)
09:27.57wethrinThere's some for a grand
09:28.16bilarhwethrin: less is better in my case
09:28.24wethrinSo you *do* care what it costs
09:29.09LeedsI watch movies all the time... downloaded ones mainly - or dodgy Chinese DVDs with added subtitles
09:29.33Leedsdon't need to sign up to a new shiny disk format for that
09:29.38bilarhwethrin: i meant i don't care if my blueray player only costs 50 quid
09:30.00bilarhleeds: youtube has better picture quality than some of the chinese copies i've seen :)
09:30.18Leedsbilarh: nah, we get 'DVD9' copies
09:30.43LeedsI think I've managed to convince the gf that however cheap they are, VCDs aren't worth it
09:31.00z00daxah VCD's .. there's a blast from the past
09:31.08z00daxare they still around ?
09:31.12Leedsof course
09:31.16bilarhvery much so
09:31.20bilarhi never understood vcd
09:31.30bilarhyou have to have a player that loads four or so disks for one
09:31.36bilarhthe picture quality is crap
09:31.36z00daxmovie on 4 disks, 2 hrs through a scratch brings proceedings to a halt
09:31.42bilarhwhat's the point? even VHS was better
09:31.48Leedsokay, say SVCD instead
09:31.52Leedsat least that's MPEG2
09:32.02z00daxbilarh: yeah, iirc, it was standard def, then encoded with mpeg2
09:32.28LeedsVCD is MPEG1, SVCD is MPEG2 - it's essentially a lower-quality DVD on a 650MB disk
09:32.42z00daxoh yea, there was the original vcd as well.
09:32.43bilarhit's good if you want to copy it thouhg
09:32.47z00daxtrue
09:32.50bilarhmuch chepaer than a vcd :)
09:33.16halicontent on disc/tape is quite boring in general
09:33.28halicp is much cheaper when copying :)
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10:36.39bilarhargh, bash subshells FTL
10:37.01bilarhinstead of     cat $DIR/ignore_nrpe_timeout_hosts | egrep -v " *#" | while read p ; do
10:37.05bilarhi have to do
10:37.09bilarhPATTERNS=`cat $DIR/ignore_nrpe_timeout_hosts | egrep -v " *#"` for p in $PATTERNS; do
10:37.41bilarhif i want my variable modifications to be seen outside of the loop
10:37.44antiphasecat | grep fail
10:38.25bilarhannoying, the while syntax is more pleasing on the eye
10:38.41antiphaseI'd be inclined to do  for p in $(wibble); do  
10:38.55antiphaseinstead of ugly backticks and a useless extra variable
10:38.59bilarhhmm, i suppose :P
10:39.16antiphaseand no UUOC :P
10:39.49bilarhUUOC?
10:39.55antiphaseUseless Use Of Cat
10:40.19bilarhhmm
10:40.29bilarhi don't know.. i prefer the syntax like cat xxx | grep
10:40.37bilarhit makes it easier for me to visualise what's going on
10:40.46antiphaseIf you prefer to look like a n00b :P
10:40.47bilarheven though it's flawed from a performance point of view
10:41.02bilarhi'm old enough not to care :P
10:41.59bilarhoh balls, i've gone with your suggestions now anyway
10:42.11bilarhwith a comment :D
10:42.27bilarhit's really annoying
10:42.42bilarhour cluster nodes get so busy with I/O that the nrpe stuff does't respond in time
10:42.59bilarhit will sit there waiting for like a minute+ before it comes back with a reply
10:45.00wethrinYes. Spawning that extra process really takes it out of the computer nowadays.
10:45.14bilarhyeah sucks :)
10:45.20antiphasefor p in $( < <( grep -vE ' *#' $DIR/ignore_nrpe_timeout_hosts ) ) ; do
10:45.25antiphaseis even better for obscurity
10:45.35wethrinI tend to mix 'cat foo | grep' and 'grep foo'
10:45.37bilarhgod that's ugly
10:45.45wethrindepending on what's easiest for me.
10:46.06bilarhwethrin: ignoring the fact that those two commands don't do the same thing (at all)? ;)
10:46.35wethrinyes. Obviously.
10:47.00wethrinBecause you know *entirely* what I meant by those lines. And just felt like being a dick :-P
10:47.06bilarh:D
10:47.16bilarhwhere's your virtual leg? i need to pull it
10:47.25wethrin:)
10:47.59bilarhi use both as well... it depends on what's happened before
10:48.24bilarhe.g. if i'm looking at a file and get overwhelmed by the masses of text, it turns out as cat foo | grep bar
10:48.50bilarh's conversation reaches new heights of boringness :P
10:49.05bilarhwhere-as, if i know i'm looking for a specific thing, i'll probably go straight to grep
10:49.11bilarhhow about that, eh? :D
10:49.37antiphaseIf you were 1337 you'd just do it with awk
10:53.45bilarhor sed, i suppose
10:55.58wethrinbilarh: Yep
10:56.50bilarhthen you could even highlight the matches with terminal codes :D
10:57.52wethrinyeahh...
10:58.48bilarhwould suck if you were piping stuff into another program, though
11:00.32wethrinwell, yes. So you wouldn't do that
11:06.47bilarhecho "this is test string" | sed -e 's/test/\d27\[44mtest\d27\[0m/'
11:07.05bilarhi'm sure it can be done with bakc references in sed, but i don't know how to use them, so it's left as an exercise to the reader :)
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18:40.13cityLightshi all
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18:40.29cityLights~seen leeds
18:40.31ibotleeds <n=richardc@n219073057173.netvigator.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 9h 8m 3s ago, saying: 'VCD is MPEG1, SVCD is MPEG2 - it's essentially a lower-quality DVD on a 650MB disk'.
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