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07:53.48 | morsing | kjs: Where's bilarh? |
07:55.27 | Armand|Laptop | ---> |
07:55.46 | morsing | Armand|Laptop! |
07:55.55 | morsing | :) |
07:56.00 | Armand|Laptop | morsing! :D |
07:57.51 | morsing | yaMatt: What's for breakfast? |
08:03.31 | morsing | Dominic: Has bilarh ever done any work? |
08:03.49 | ChoHag | Yesterday's freshly baked bread with butter. Why? |
08:03.58 | morsing | :)) |
08:03.59 | morsing | ChoHag! |
08:04.04 | morsing | Beer |
08:04.12 | ChoHag | No beer for breakfast.t |
08:07.35 | z00dax | morsing: check it |
08:07.40 | morsing | z00dax: Beer |
08:07.47 | z00dax | yes! |
08:07.50 | morsing | z00dax: Where's Cope? |
08:08.58 | z00dax | overseeing the installation of a terrace on the boundary between his garden and the paddock out back |
08:40.00 | yaMatt | morning morsing |
08:40.26 | morsing | yaMatt: :) |
08:41.57 | yaMatt | dont think you meant me did you :P |
08:42.14 | yaMatt | beer fried bacon sounds good |
08:42.26 | morsing | yaMatt: I did |
08:42.40 | yaMatt | oh good :) |
08:42.46 | morsing | ? |
08:44.59 | yaMatt | im lost |
08:48.21 | morsing | yaMatt: Turn left and continue straight ahead |
08:48.45 | yaMatt | the new ps3 slim looks great |
08:48.47 | yaMatt | but no linux! |
08:48.57 | morsing | Good |
08:49.36 | z00dax | yaMatt: no linux ? |
08:49.36 | yaMatt | how is that good? |
08:49.44 | morsing | Why does it matter? |
08:49.53 | yaMatt | yaMatt, you can put linux on all the normal ps3's but not on the new smaler one |
08:50.09 | morsing | morsing: What's for tea? |
08:50.28 | z00dax | yaMatt: really ? where did you see that ? last set of details that I saw, it still had kboot capability |
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08:50.49 | yaMatt | engadget |
08:50.56 | yaMatt | ill try find the link |
08:51.22 | yaMatt | http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/18/ps3-slim-sized-up-smaller-deeper-no-linux-or-ps2-compatibilit/ |
08:52.01 | Armand|Laptop | It's so shit.. no PS2 games. >_< |
08:52.16 | Armand|Laptop | Just so they can keep selling the shitty old PS2 stock. |
08:52.44 | Armand|Laptop | I want a PS3 for GT5, but I don't want one because Sony are arseholes. |
08:53.28 | z00dax | thats quite interesting. |
08:53.32 | yaMatt | i thought they been emulating ps3 games for a while |
08:53.38 | yaMatt | ps2* |
08:53.55 | Armand|Laptop | The original release PS3 could do it. |
08:54.08 | Armand|Laptop | Therefore, there is NO reason the current PS3's shouldn't.. |
08:54.20 | Armand|Laptop | aside from Sony being wankers. |
08:55.03 | z00dax | yaMatt: those guys dont get the linux angle in the comments, do they ? |
08:56.01 | z00dax | the ps3 gives you, for $300, the same processor as half a qs21 which weights in at $7000 |
08:56.03 | yaMatt | z00dax, i havent read the, but they are engadget readers :) |
08:56.41 | z00dax | so, slap on a realtime kernel, get decent management in place, get amqp online, and you have a very potent cluster option |
08:57.05 | Armand|Laptop | "The PS1 can be emulated entirely in software. PS2 games need at least a little hardware support (the original 80GB removed the Emotion Engine [PS2 CPU], but not the Graphics Synthesizer [PS2 GPU])." |
08:57.17 | Armand|Laptop | Huummm... therefore *Sony = arseholes" |
08:57.30 | Armand|Laptop | " ? * |
08:57.45 | z00dax | I've seen atleast 3 such clusters in Telecity Soverign house / memaco house. And another very large one ( 1000 ps3's ) in Delhi. And I know there are quite a few academic setups with those too |
08:58.45 | yaMatt | i wonder if the ps2 games needs hardware support because of drm stuff |
08:59.31 | yaMatt | z00dax, there is a university in switzerland that has a 200 ps3 cluster, i did a project on it |
08:59.39 | yaMatt | 1000 is huge |
09:00.02 | z00dax | yea |
09:00.18 | z00dax | the only issue is the ram, need to keep job sizes down. |
09:00.34 | z00dax | but if you are offloading to the spu's ( which one should be ) - its possible to churn fairly good numbers :) |
09:01.21 | z00dax | I am guessing the 80gb model staying around, is for this sort of a market. Cant see any other reason. And sony cant just make a computer around the chip due to contract issues with ibm |
09:01.22 | yaMatt | i was inteded to use it for video editing and transcoding |
09:02.06 | z00dax | sounds signalling intensive. |
09:04.12 | yaMatt | i was kind of hoping that linux on it made good use of the cpus |
09:04.59 | Leeds | the ridiculous thing - nothing to do with clustering, etc. - is that the 80GB model is US$100 less than the 160GB model - but you can buy a 500GB 2.5inch drive for less than US$100 anywya |
09:05.57 | z00dax | Leeds: true |
09:05.58 | yaMatt | yeah, i was just looking at that |
09:06.16 | z00dax | sony usually change the feature set, just a bit, between these models. |
09:06.24 | Leeds | so unless they've removed the option of replacing the hard drive yourself, you're *much* better off getting the cheaper one |
09:06.26 | yaMatt | for the price difference between the 80gb and the 160gb in the uk you can buy a 500gb drive here too |
09:06.41 | yaMatt | Leeds, no, they give you the option to format and install a new hard disk |
09:06.55 | Leeds | yaMatt: I was wondering if that was still true for the slim |
09:07.12 | yaMatt | i saw something that you can change the hard disk in it too |
09:07.21 | yaMatt | although im not sure where looking at the photos |
09:07.25 | z00dax | the guys working on the nv RSX hypervisor leak are going to be disapointed :) |
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09:11.26 | yaMatt | the slim isnt actually that much smaller |
09:11.31 | yaMatt | http://www.engadget.com/photos/sonys-slimmer-ps3/2216342/ |
09:11.44 | yaMatt | http://www.engadget.com/photos/sonys-slimmer-ps3/2216340/ |
09:11.51 | yaMatt | its just shorter |
09:16.31 | yaMatt | ok, slim drive bay on the front |
09:16.33 | yaMatt | http://www.engadget.com/photos/playstation-3-slim-unboxing-and-hands-on/2216913/ |
09:17.18 | z00dax | so they make it easier to replace the hdd! |
09:17.57 | z00dax | most games these days, even when for the ps2 are quite well done |
09:18.28 | z00dax | its not uncommon to hear people say that the cod4 was only marginally slower ( and only the real hardcore gamers notice )on the ps2 compared with the ps3. |
09:18.50 | z00dax | ps2 support going away completely might now mean that people need to pay the £15 premium for a ps3 game now :) |
09:19.34 | yaMatt | yeah, arent they going to be charging more for the games because the development costs are much higher? |
09:20.50 | Leeds | PS2 and PS3 are still selling very similar numbers, 2.5 years after the PS3 shipped |
09:21.33 | yaMatt | the ps3's biggest compettitor was the ps2 |
09:22.45 | Leeds | and I think the xbox is still selling about as many units as PS2 and PS3 combined - and Wii more than that |
09:23.07 | bilarh | you must be joking? who in their right mind would buy an xbox?? |
09:23.36 | Leeds | 360, I mean |
09:23.43 | bilarh | yeah i understood that :D |
09:23.45 | bilarh | but even so |
09:23.47 | Leeds | the failure rate is only about 50%, isn't it? |
09:24.08 | bilarh | hmm, then again... i'm probably not their intended audience... i'd be buying a console because of the blueray capability, not because of the games |
09:24.17 | bilarh | and how can wii sell more than ps2 |
09:24.20 | bilarh | wii is shit |
09:24.24 | bilarh | i know, because i've got one |
09:24.27 | bilarh | the graphics are abysmal |
09:24.29 | wethrin | I'll take it off your hands. |
09:24.34 | bilarh | it's like NES all over again |
09:24.39 | z00dax | i didnt think the xbox was that bit outside the USA |
09:24.40 | wethrin | Yeah - it's *fun* |
09:24.52 | z00dax | even here in the UK, most people seem to be on the sony bandwagon |
09:24.57 | wethrin | offers bilarh 10 trillion dollars for his Wii :) |
09:25.20 | Leeds | I've got a wii - it's fun |
09:25.21 | bilarh | wethrin: zimbabwe dollars? |
09:25.25 | wethrin | Yes. |
09:25.30 | Leeds | and if you want a bluray player - get a bluray player |
09:25.40 | bilarh | wethrin: funny anecdote: |
09:25.45 | wethrin | PS3 used to be the cheapest Bluray, some time back |
09:25.49 | Leeds | I should say... it's fun when I play it... which tends to go in phases |
09:25.49 | z00dax | btw, i wonder how much work is involved in writing a 'game' for the ps3/xbox that is actually just a bootloader for linux :) |
09:26.07 | Leeds | wethrin: but it certainly isn't now, is it? |
09:26.10 | bilarh | wethrin: the finance system where my wife works crashed because the exchange rate of 1gbp to xx zbw overflowed :D |
09:26.17 | z00dax | prolly be non trivial in sony devkit costs. |
09:26.21 | wethrin | Leeds: No. I saw some Bluray players in Aldi for £130 |
09:26.26 | wethrin | bilarh: HA! |
09:26.30 | Leeds | yay Aldi! |
09:26.44 | bilarh | my brother in law just bought a sony blueray player from curry's for 80 quid |
09:26.50 | hali | 130 buys you a decent one from amazon |
09:27.17 | hali | a fancy one (and im a ponts) costs about 200 |
09:27.43 | bilarh | i don't care what it costs, i just want to watch movies :) |
09:27.57 | wethrin | There's some for a grand |
09:28.16 | bilarh | wethrin: less is better in my case |
09:28.24 | wethrin | So you *do* care what it costs |
09:29.09 | Leeds | I watch movies all the time... downloaded ones mainly - or dodgy Chinese DVDs with added subtitles |
09:29.33 | Leeds | don't need to sign up to a new shiny disk format for that |
09:29.38 | bilarh | wethrin: i meant i don't care if my blueray player only costs 50 quid |
09:30.00 | bilarh | leeds: youtube has better picture quality than some of the chinese copies i've seen :) |
09:30.18 | Leeds | bilarh: nah, we get 'DVD9' copies |
09:30.43 | Leeds | I think I've managed to convince the gf that however cheap they are, VCDs aren't worth it |
09:31.00 | z00dax | ah VCD's .. there's a blast from the past |
09:31.08 | z00dax | are they still around ? |
09:31.12 | Leeds | of course |
09:31.16 | bilarh | very much so |
09:31.20 | bilarh | i never understood vcd |
09:31.30 | bilarh | you have to have a player that loads four or so disks for one |
09:31.36 | bilarh | the picture quality is crap |
09:31.36 | z00dax | movie on 4 disks, 2 hrs through a scratch brings proceedings to a halt |
09:31.42 | bilarh | what's the point? even VHS was better |
09:31.48 | Leeds | okay, say SVCD instead |
09:31.52 | Leeds | at least that's MPEG2 |
09:32.02 | z00dax | bilarh: yeah, iirc, it was standard def, then encoded with mpeg2 |
09:32.28 | Leeds | VCD is MPEG1, SVCD is MPEG2 - it's essentially a lower-quality DVD on a 650MB disk |
09:32.42 | z00dax | oh yea, there was the original vcd as well. |
09:32.43 | bilarh | it's good if you want to copy it thouhg |
09:32.47 | z00dax | true |
09:32.50 | bilarh | much chepaer than a vcd :) |
09:33.16 | hali | content on disc/tape is quite boring in general |
09:33.28 | hali | cp is much cheaper when copying :) |
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10:36.39 | bilarh | argh, bash subshells FTL |
10:37.01 | bilarh | instead of cat $DIR/ignore_nrpe_timeout_hosts | egrep -v " *#" | while read p ; do |
10:37.05 | bilarh | i have to do |
10:37.09 | bilarh | PATTERNS=`cat $DIR/ignore_nrpe_timeout_hosts | egrep -v " *#"` for p in $PATTERNS; do |
10:37.41 | bilarh | if i want my variable modifications to be seen outside of the loop |
10:37.44 | antiphase | cat | grep fail |
10:38.25 | bilarh | annoying, the while syntax is more pleasing on the eye |
10:38.41 | antiphase | I'd be inclined to do for p in $(wibble); do |
10:38.55 | antiphase | instead of ugly backticks and a useless extra variable |
10:38.59 | bilarh | hmm, i suppose :P |
10:39.16 | antiphase | and no UUOC :P |
10:39.49 | bilarh | UUOC? |
10:39.55 | antiphase | Useless Use Of Cat |
10:40.19 | bilarh | hmm |
10:40.29 | bilarh | i don't know.. i prefer the syntax like cat xxx | grep |
10:40.37 | bilarh | it makes it easier for me to visualise what's going on |
10:40.46 | antiphase | If you prefer to look like a n00b :P |
10:40.47 | bilarh | even though it's flawed from a performance point of view |
10:41.02 | bilarh | i'm old enough not to care :P |
10:41.59 | bilarh | oh balls, i've gone with your suggestions now anyway |
10:42.11 | bilarh | with a comment :D |
10:42.27 | bilarh | it's really annoying |
10:42.42 | bilarh | our cluster nodes get so busy with I/O that the nrpe stuff does't respond in time |
10:42.59 | bilarh | it will sit there waiting for like a minute+ before it comes back with a reply |
10:45.00 | wethrin | Yes. Spawning that extra process really takes it out of the computer nowadays. |
10:45.14 | bilarh | yeah sucks :) |
10:45.20 | antiphase | for p in $( < <( grep -vE ' *#' $DIR/ignore_nrpe_timeout_hosts ) ) ; do |
10:45.25 | antiphase | is even better for obscurity |
10:45.35 | wethrin | I tend to mix 'cat foo | grep' and 'grep foo' |
10:45.37 | bilarh | god that's ugly |
10:45.45 | wethrin | depending on what's easiest for me. |
10:46.06 | bilarh | wethrin: ignoring the fact that those two commands don't do the same thing (at all)? ;) |
10:46.35 | wethrin | yes. Obviously. |
10:47.00 | wethrin | Because you know *entirely* what I meant by those lines. And just felt like being a dick :-P |
10:47.06 | bilarh | :D |
10:47.16 | bilarh | where's your virtual leg? i need to pull it |
10:47.25 | wethrin | :) |
10:47.59 | bilarh | i use both as well... it depends on what's happened before |
10:48.24 | bilarh | e.g. if i'm looking at a file and get overwhelmed by the masses of text, it turns out as cat foo | grep bar |
10:48.50 | bilarh | 's conversation reaches new heights of boringness :P |
10:49.05 | bilarh | where-as, if i know i'm looking for a specific thing, i'll probably go straight to grep |
10:49.11 | bilarh | how about that, eh? :D |
10:49.37 | antiphase | If you were 1337 you'd just do it with awk |
10:53.45 | bilarh | or sed, i suppose |
10:55.58 | wethrin | bilarh: Yep |
10:56.50 | bilarh | then you could even highlight the matches with terminal codes :D |
10:57.52 | wethrin | yeahh... |
10:58.48 | bilarh | would suck if you were piping stuff into another program, though |
11:00.32 | wethrin | well, yes. So you wouldn't do that |
11:06.47 | bilarh | echo "this is test string" | sed -e 's/test/\d27\[44mtest\d27\[0m/' |
11:07.05 | bilarh | i'm sure it can be done with bakc references in sed, but i don't know how to use them, so it's left as an exercise to the reader :) |
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18:40.13 | cityLights | hi all |
18:40.17 | cityLights | morsing |
18:40.29 | cityLights | ~seen leeds |
18:40.31 | ibot | leeds <n=richardc@n219073057173.netvigator.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 9h 8m 3s ago, saying: 'VCD is MPEG1, SVCD is MPEG2 - it's essentially a lower-quality DVD on a 650MB disk'. |
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