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| 07:30.08 | bilarh | great post: http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=124907&view=findpost&p=2130597 |
| 07:31.36 | j0nr | morning all |
| 08:02.39 | DiscordianUK | morn |
| 08:10.09 | hali | morning |
| 08:10.34 | bilarh | morn |
| 08:10.40 | hali | ponders buying a house or to sponsor the local cctv scheme |
| 08:11.01 | bilarh | buying a house? :S |
| 08:11.06 | bilarh | HAVE I THOUGHT YOU NOTHING? :P |
| 08:11.45 | hali | yeah, you're right. we need more cctv instead |
| 08:11.50 | hali | and ID-cards |
| 08:11.57 | yaMatt | hahah |
| 08:12.09 | bilarh | id-cards ftw \o/ |
| 08:14.13 | hali | cheese ftw |
| 08:14.28 | yaMatt | id-cheese? |
| 08:14.43 | yaMatt | if you dont want to be identified, you can always eat it |
| 08:14.53 | hali | like dna sampling your foreskin cheese?</grose> |
| 08:15.18 | bilarh | hmm, i think "soap ftw" for you, hali :D |
| 08:21.59 | hali | acid scrub |
| 08:22.07 | bilarh | hehe |
| 08:27.23 | hali | cpufreak: have you got any istanbul boxes in yet? |
| 08:27.29 | hali | i can't get anyone to f*cking deliver any |
| 08:27.35 | hali | i have orders with both hp and dell in |
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| 08:47.38 | morsing | Provito: Where's bilarh? |
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| 08:48.28 | morsing | mindbendr! |
| 09:23.39 | cpufreak | hali: istanbul or shanghai |
| 09:23.42 | cpufreak | I forget which is which |
| 09:25.21 | mindbendr | morsing! |
| 09:25.28 | mindbendr | cpufreak: istanbul is nice |
| 09:25.38 | mindbendr | I used to live there |
| 09:26.19 | cpufreak | no |
| 09:26.23 | cpufreak | we're talking about cpus |
| 09:26.49 | mindbendr | i was surprised when they called it istanbul |
| 09:27.02 | mindbendr | not a good reputation for a cpu |
| 09:27.07 | mindbendr | that city is such a mess |
| 09:29.46 | wethrin | Maybe it's their Engineers implying something :) |
| 09:30.56 | hali | cpufreak: the 6-core one |
| 09:30.59 | cpufreak | oh, not yet |
| 09:31.12 | cpufreak | we're getting a dl785-g6 in the next couple of weeks to play with |
| 09:31.16 | cpufreak | which'll have them |
| 09:31.59 | Nafallo | cpufreak: oooh. runing linux? going to try hotswapping CPU and memory? :-) |
| 09:32.28 | cpufreak | we can do that with the g5s Nafallo |
| 09:32.56 | Nafallo | woha! finally someone that can confirm the rumour ;-) |
| 09:33.00 | Nafallo | cpufreak: thanks! |
| 09:33.05 | cpufreak | I didn't confirm anything |
| 09:33.07 | cpufreak | :P |
| 09:33.20 | Nafallo | you said you could do it with the G5s... :-) |
| 09:33.29 | Nafallo | proof of concept etc... ;-) |
| 09:33.30 | cpufreak | I didn't confirm anything |
| 09:33.34 | Nafallo | meh |
| 09:33.37 | cpufreak | :D |
| 09:33.44 | Nafallo | you so did! |
| 09:34.47 | cpufreak | what annoys me with them, is you can't turn on/off dimms.. as with 32 x 4GB dimms, (128gig ram) the memory will run at 800MHz. |
| 09:34.55 | cpufreak | but with any more, the max memory speed is 533MHz |
| 09:35.21 | cpufreak | and what I'd like to do, is enable switching between 512GB @ 533MHz and 128GB @ 800MHz |
| 09:35.28 | cpufreak | for when machines switch roles |
| 09:41.28 | Nafallo | sounds sane |
| 09:45.34 | cpufreak | can't do it tho |
| 09:54.42 | bilarh | i'm starting to like java |
| 09:54.48 | bilarh | shame on me :( |
| 09:56.37 | bilarh | hmm, sun having dns problems at the moment i think |
| 09:56.41 | bilarh | java.sun.com down |
| 10:17.05 | morsing | wethrin!!!!! |
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| 11:59.12 | Leeds | mmm, pesto pasta and veggie hot dogs |
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| 12:47.49 | ChoHag | I need to learn TCL by tomorrow. |
| 12:47.55 | ChoHag | Leeds: My pesto was mouldy :( |
| 12:48.03 | Leeds | :( |
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| 12:51.02 | dick_turpin | wethrin: bilarh: :-P |
| 12:51.52 | bilarh | dick_turpin: :( |
| 12:52.07 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Wazza madda? |
| 12:52.08 | bilarh | dick_turpin: beer? |
| 12:52.18 | dick_turpin | slaps bilarh |
| 12:52.23 | bilarh | :( |
| 13:00.16 | hali | z00dax: seen that HP officially have proliant support packs available for centos now? |
| 13:06.58 | dick_turpin | That's good news isn't it? It is IMO |
| 13:09.12 | bilarh | i concur |
| 13:09.50 | hali | yep |
| 14:33.55 | z00dax | hali: no, where should I look ? |
| 14:38.10 | hali | http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareIndex.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodNameId=3929673&prodTypeId=15351&prodSeriesId=3929672&swLang=13&taskId=135&swEnvOID=4074 |
| 14:38.21 | z00dax | thanks |
| 14:47.23 | dick_turpin | I see the "VACANCY: Junior Systems Support" thread on the Gllug mailing list seem to never end, what a depressing display of bigotry and snobbery everything from "I have a degree so I'm better than you" to "You live in a council house you must be scum then" |
| 14:48.07 | wethrin | HELLO DAILY MAIL |
| 14:48.51 | bilarh | dick_turpin: you're scum - do you also live in a council house? :) |
| 14:49.09 | dick_turpin | I'm surprise no moderators have stepped in they usually do? |
| 14:49.47 | dick_turpin | bilarh: No I'm a snob I own a house but I am lower than you as I don't have a degree |
| 14:49.52 | hali | this is why 'normal people' think 'IT people' are weird :) |
| 14:49.54 | bilarh | i don't have a degree yet |
| 14:50.16 | Armand | doesn't have a degree, and I live in rented accom.. what does that make me? :P |
| 14:50.45 | dick_turpin | So is someone who has a Management job higher than someone trying to get a Degree then? |
| 14:50.46 | bilarh | armand: why are you on here talking??? YOu should be out there sweeping our streets |
| 14:51.05 | Armand | clumps bilarh with a dirty saucepan.. |
| 14:51.18 | Armand | I have far more important things to do, like washing up. ¬_¬ |
| 14:51.25 | bilarh | clumping bilarh with a dirty saucepan makes bilarh a dull boy |
| 14:51.33 | Armand | ^_^ |
| 14:52.41 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I was gonna post but then thought "Why bother I can get just as insulted by bilarh on #gllug" |
| 14:53.11 | bilarh | hehe |
| 15:06.26 | ChoHag | Well the days when knowing about Linux indicated a modicum of intelligence (educative or otherwise) are long gone. |
| 15:08.13 | Armand | wonders what "intelligence" means.. ?_! |
| 15:08.23 | dick_turpin | ChoHag: Na that was never true, it was a classic "Knowledge is power" scenario I mean knowledge in the sense of people knowing what to do yet refusing to tell others how it was done |
| 15:08.54 | ChoHag | ChoHag: I mean, now the riffraff know about Linux and make their stupid 'council house => scum' comments. |
| 15:10.21 | dick_turpin | pokes ChoHag with a Dickensian cane |
| 15:11.37 | z00dax | some of the comments are interesting, but quite a lot seem to just be going over and over the same thing |
| 15:11.56 | z00dax | not sure why people find it so hard to belive that there might be a world and a host of experiences beyond what they have themselves |
| 15:13.13 | dick_turpin | Becuase nobody wants to admit that maybe someone without a degree is better than someone who has one |
| 15:15.23 | ChoHag | Or even, horror of horrors, equal. |
| 15:15.23 | dick_turpin | ChoHag: Yep |
| 15:17.32 | ChoHag | So to put it another way, people are stupid. |
| 15:17.39 | z00dax | ChoHag: hey |
| 15:17.43 | z00dax | howse the job hunt getting on ? |
| 15:17.57 | ChoHag | phone interview tomorrow. |
| 15:18.01 | ChoHag | Just a short contract though. |
| 15:18.12 | z00dax | is still money |
| 15:20.26 | ChoHag | Aye. |
| 15:27.29 | wethrin | Blarg |
| 15:28.38 | wethrin | it still seems to me that a lot of the thread posters are confusing computer science with IT |
| 15:29.21 | wethrin | I'd expect, say, an Engineering graduate to be able to design a bridge. But not to actually build one |
| 15:29.43 | wethrin | And I'd expect construction folk to be able to build a bridge, but not necessarily design one |
| 15:32.14 | mindbendr | incrontab is a cool tool |
| 15:32.51 | wethrin | what's it do? |
| 15:33.12 | mindbendr | cron like inotify |
| 15:33.22 | mindbendr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.26 | mindbendr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.45 | mindbendr | however I can't solve one issue |
| 15:34.01 | wethrin | ahh |
| 15:34.04 | mindbendr | I can't pass $=values with the command |
| 15:34.21 | mindbendr | it says `no such file or directory` |
| 15:34.40 | mindbendr | if I add a cron line /watchfolder var=value command |
| 15:35.00 | mindbendr | i want to pass value for the vars in the bash script and quoting didn't work |
| 15:35.20 | mindbendr | ; , & didn't work either |
| 15:35.36 | mindbendr | any ideas? |
| 15:42.27 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I just read them as saying "I have a degree so I must be better than that idiot who's been in the job 3 years" "Experience? Er I have a Degree" seems its like a sort of warrant card you whip out quick to try and trump the deck with |
| 15:42.46 | wethrin | I didn't read it that way |
| 15:43.09 | wethrin | I was more reading it: "I've seen people with degrees who can't program. Therefore degrees are useless" |
| 15:46.10 | dick_turpin | wethrin: true I saw those and agree with your train of thought (Even though you've not said it but I can guess) thing is there is a mute point to be had if we are talking a new leaver with a degree then I would say they'd be lower down in the pecking order in terms of someone with some hands on in the business world experiance. |
| 15:46.36 | wethrin | I agree |
| 15:47.14 | dick_turpin | Stands to reason someone with 2 or 3 years exp and a Degree is gonna be a hands down winner |
| 15:47.52 | wethrin | Should be. The degree, ultimately, should have taught them how to learn. |
| 15:48.46 | dick_turpin | But even that statement is wrong very wrong I'm certain there are just as competent if not better people out there who are (Another quasi insult I saw) self taught |
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| 15:49.55 | wethrin | Of course. At this point, you can only make generalisations |
| 15:50.52 | wethrin | And saying "Ah, but I know someone who's the best programmer EVAH and *he* doesn't have a degree!" doesn't help |
| 15:56.49 | dick_turpin | I do have experience of degree holders when I worked in recruitment about 12 odd years ago they was all fresh out of Uni etc pretty full of themselves if not big headed pretty crushed at the fact that the tutors had relentlessly told them the world would be at their feet only to find it was even harder for them as apposed to a general school leavers pretty much due to the 'Hands on' stuff |
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| 16:29.22 | mtd | oh man please not that thread here, too. |
| 17:29.04 | z00dax | notes that neighbout is playing Billy Idol |
| 17:29.22 | z00dax | neighbour even |
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| 17:47.41 | Armand | O_o |
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