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| 08:44.55 | Mohan | morning! |
| 08:52.39 | hali | morning |
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| 09:24.30 | Leeds | http://www.hko.gov.hk/wxinfo/radars/radar.htm?pv_mode=playback |
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| 09:59.50 | Leeds | TYPHOON |
| 10:48.05 | cpufreak | which tranche? |
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| 10:56.40 | Leeds | highbury: good evening :) |
| 10:57.01 | highbury | Hi leeds, afternoon for me. |
| 10:57.15 | highbury | Haven't been round here for ages! |
| 10:57.22 | highbury | kicks the tyres |
| 10:57.58 | Leeds | how's life? |
| 10:58.44 | highbury | busy, lots of commuting, mostly to Bristol and Gloucester |
| 10:59.36 | highbury | considering moving even further westwards (currently half-way between Reading-Swindon Oxford-Newbury) |
| 10:59.59 | Leeds | nah, come east - it's more fun here |
| 11:00.24 | Leeds | although we do have a minor 'typhoon' issue going on right now... |
| 11:04.28 | highbury | we call it a recession ;) |
| 11:05.42 | wethrin | hey highbury |
| 11:05.46 | wethrin | LTNS |
| 11:09.19 | highbury | anybody know about mailing list management? I need to manage a mailing list, where I subscribe approx 300 people, I can email newsletter to them, say twice a month, and can share the management of adding users between a couple of moderators. I do not want people to be able to view who's on the mailing list or add themselves. I do not want anybody but the moderators to mail as a whole. I do not have my own server to manage something, so need something free |
| 11:11.20 | highbury | hi wethrin! |
| 11:16.39 | antiphase | Yahoo groups |
| 11:17.38 | antiphase | You're not going to get to run one yourself as you want it without a server to do it on, so you're constrained by the features of what people will give you |
| 11:17.42 | highbury | I don't want people to need to have to confirm their memberships |
| 11:18.02 | Mohan | highbury: try phplist mailinglist |
| 11:18.43 | Mohan | you can enable or disable confirmation of thier membership, it easy to setup and configure. |
| 11:19.05 | highbury | I'm trying to help out some people, but they don't have the budget or manage their own server |
| 11:19.14 | antiphase | Tell them to pay up or bog off then :P |
| 11:19.33 | antiphase | You can't have exactly what you want and then not pay |
| 11:19.35 | Mohan | all you would need is a php/mysql webhost to host your mailinglist |
| 11:21.10 | highbury | is getting a webhosting company any cheaper (cost+time) than getting a mailing list management company (if such a one exists)? |
| 11:21.47 | antiphase | The only risk is that you'll run into hidden restrictions, because web hosting is for hosting websites, and some will object to large volumes of outgoing mail |
| 11:22.09 | Mohan | et cheap hosting from http://www.one.com it wont exceed 15£/year |
| 11:22.39 | highbury | there won't be large amounts of traffic, but I need to be able to manage bounces easily |
| 11:23.10 | antiphase | So you also need an MX, which your web host won't be |
| 11:23.54 | antiphase | Would you use a lettuce to crack a nut? :P |
| 11:25.04 | antiphase | I'd imagine if you managed to find a free one somehow (unlikely due to spamming scum), it will be advertising supported and fill your mails with crap |
| 11:25.28 | Mohan | phplist does support mail bounces, you can manage it easily via webinterface |
| 11:26.00 | antiphase | sighs |
| 11:26.23 | Leeds | phplist runs without a server to run it on? impressive |
| 11:27.11 | Mohan | well if you are not bothered abt uptime or anything |
| 11:27.20 | Mohan | just run it on your home machine :) |
| 11:27.55 | Mohan | cost effective + flexiblity. you can do whatever you want. |
| 11:28.06 | Leeds | the request was specifically for something hosted |
| 11:28.43 | Mohan | Leeds: what would they host without a server ? |
| 11:28.49 | highbury | yes, the more convoluted example, involved having mailing accounts set up on gmail which forwarded on to a server at home running fetchmail, and a mailing database |
| 11:28.57 | Leeds | a party, I suspect |
| 11:29.21 | highbury | but it was much too labour intensive, and I wanted to avoid too much personal committment |
| 11:29.30 | antiphase | Just to avoid paying a couple of quid for something |
| 11:29.35 | Mohan | Leeds: then why did you ask would phplist run without server ? |
| 11:30.01 | Leeds | Mohan: what the fuck are you talking about? |
| 11:30.05 | highbury | I'm happy to pay say, £5 per month for this |
| 11:30.38 | highbury | for an easy life |
| 11:31.11 | Mohan | 12:26 < Leeds> phplist runs without a server to run it on? impressive |
| 11:31.14 | Mohan | 12:26 < Leeds> phplist runs without a server to run it on? impressive |
| 11:31.26 | antiphase | Scrap! |
| 11:31.47 | Leeds | Mohan: how is highbury going to run phplist when he explictly asked for something which doesn't involve having his own server? |
| 11:33.50 | Leeds | righto then |
| 11:33.52 | Mohan | whatever, you can't run it without a LAMP setup thats a requirement |
| 11:34.52 | Leeds | and how do you run LAMP without a server? |
| 11:36.38 | antiphase | RTFQ, as they say |
| 11:37.01 | Mohan | I never said I could, |
| 11:37.18 | Leeds | but you seemed to be suggesting that highbury should? |
| 11:40.21 | Mohan | All i suggested is a cheap webhost + mailing list |
| 12:00.35 | j0nr | afternoon all |
| 12:03.58 | wethrin | Doesn't Google do some mailing list fu? |
| 12:04.02 | j0nr | where would i look to see why a crontab job did not appear to happen? |
| 12:05.10 | wethrin | one of the log files |
| 12:05.16 | wethrin | Although normally it emails you the output |
| 12:11.30 | highbury | google is almost perfect, but requires users to confirm/reconfirm membership |
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| 12:13.32 | wethrin | http://www.red-pill.eu/freeunix.shtml |
| 12:13.40 | wethrin | Go for a free shell, and run things on there? |
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| 12:19.15 | highbury | I guess, I need something a little more powerfull and conifdential... but I'll take a look |
| 12:19.26 | wethrin | Ask Jason nicely? |
| 12:20.17 | highbury | hmm, that was my eventual intention. but does he have much involvement with ukfsn nowadays? |
| 12:20.25 | wethrin | I believe he still runs it |
| 12:20.31 | wethrin | Along now with a minion to do the grunt work |
| 12:21.24 | wethrin | But he could set up a mailman list, like he's done for Gllug |
| 12:22.40 | highbury | mailman is no good. I need something which doesn't require any user involvement other than the administrators |
| 12:22.43 | z00dax | some of the yahoo groups stuff might work as well, they let you setup private lists, and moderate posts, share admin rights, and not all subscribers need to be on @yahoo.* either |
| 12:23.19 | wethrin | highbury: You can subscribe people by hand to mailman lists |
| 12:23.27 | z00dax | the other option is a text file you use as an alias expander, setup in git, and share commit rights to all the guys you want to give admin access to :0 |
| 12:23.50 | highbury | I want to be able to presubscribe about 150 members, and for them not to be asked for confirmation (honest I'm not spamming them!) |
| 12:24.05 | wethrin | you can do that with mailman |
| 12:26.59 | highbury | hmmm, ok, interesting |
| 12:27.54 | z00dax | you can also setup mailman to not send out any status change emails, so they dont get the 'you have been subscribed' emails, and you can disable the mail changing, and disable password reminders. |
| 12:28.07 | z00dax | essentially reducing it to a mail alias expander |
| 12:28.41 | highbury | its a shame I can't do the same with Google Groups :-/ |
| 12:28.49 | antiphase | If your name is Jason, you will be unable to operate a mailing list server correctly though |
| 12:29.00 | wethrin | ouch |
| 12:29.29 | wethrin | antiphase: OOI, why do you say this? The gllug lists are working.... |
| 12:30.01 | antiphase | I had to resort to 550ing some random server that kept sending me plaintext password reminders about gllug that I couldn't unsubscribe from |
| 12:30.09 | wethrin | oh |
| 12:30.21 | antiphase | So double fail |
| 12:30.23 | wethrin | are you still on the mailing list? |
| 12:30.30 | antiphase | I haven't been for ages |
| 12:31.06 | wethrin | Can you actually administer mailman by email? |
| 12:31.10 | z00dax | yea |
| 12:31.26 | z00dax | or cli, or web |
| 12:31.42 | z00dax | or, if you are so inclined, directly changing the pickle's it stores :) |
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| 13:07.45 | j0nr | wethrin: do you know which log...if there was an error, as I did not get my usual email |
| 13:12.26 | wethrin | no idea |
| 13:12.30 | wethrin | grep in /var/log :) |
| 13:14.06 | antiphase | grep cron /etc/syslog.conf |
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| 13:32.20 | highbury | /var/log/messages |
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| 14:17.22 | gregj | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8254894.stm |
| 14:19.23 | Leeds | heh |
| 14:20.00 | gregj | 'hey , I look like Peter, and I am probably as stuppid as the guy, so vode for me - I am going to make proper politician' |
| 14:24.17 | Leeds | eh, at least the guy's treating it as a joke rather than try to sue the animators or something |
| 14:26.27 | cpufreak | who would he sue them? |
| 14:26.54 | Leeds | for damage to his professional image |
| 14:27.10 | Leeds | since they obviously based the character on him |
| 14:28.11 | Leeds | it's what would happen in the US |
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| 14:41.59 | j0nr | wethrin: I do not have a /var/log/cron |
| 14:42.11 | j0nr | antiphase: grep cron /etc/syslog.conf yields: |
| 14:42.27 | j0nr | #cron.* -/var/log/cron.log cron,daemon.none;\ |
| 14:42.50 | j0nr | nothing in /var/log/messages either |
| 15:17.03 | mindbendr | j0nr: service syslog status? |
| 15:43.05 | antiphase | Try /var/log/syslog then |
| 15:43.43 | antiphase | or `sudo lsof -p $(pgrep cron)` to see if has log files open, which mine doesn't so I assume it always uses local syslog |
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| 17:21.14 | ChoHag | Jesus shows up on a bumper sticker on a toilet seat. |
| 17:21.15 | ChoHag | Comment: |
| 17:21.17 | ChoHag | If you take a dump, while sitting on a seat that has a picture of JC on it, is it a holy shit? |
| 17:23.26 | wethrin | groan |
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