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| 06:57.22 | j0nr | morning all |
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| 08:01.55 | Mohan | morning! |
| 08:25.06 | mindbendr | morning |
| 08:40.00 | hali | morning |
| 08:59.42 | Mohan | howtoforge.com is down ? |
| 09:13.27 | AndyMillar | the internet is down ;) |
| 09:13.55 | z00dax | Mohan: good thing, howtoforge is a mess |
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| 09:29.46 | Mohan | z00dax: I wouldn't say every article is perfect, but atleast it gives an exposure of concepts which can be done. |
| 09:32.29 | Mohan | There are few articles, which explains certain method of doing things. which are not known to everybody in the field. |
| 09:32.42 | z00dax | some of the things are acually done in a way that it will break your machine |
| 09:33.01 | z00dax | the ones I have a problem with is when they seem to get it right for the user, but put him in a hole that he can never really get out of easily |
| 09:34.56 | Mohan | hmm true, I remember the centos kernel compilation howto which says do not follow howotoforge.com method. |
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| 09:36.08 | Mohan | s/I remember/I still remember/ |
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| 10:22.57 | DiscordianUK | eeep |
| 10:24.32 | DiscordianUK | I can undoubtedly break things on every known distro |
| 10:25.10 | DiscordianUK | Custom kernels aren't supported on CentOS |
| 10:31.11 | hali | they sort of are, as long as you follow centos build procedures and don't try to do a stock 2.6.31 |
| 10:31.42 | hali | we've rolled a few custom centos kernels with some tweaks (like for multipathing and things) |
| 10:31.53 | hali | but built from centos src rpms |
| 10:32.01 | DiscordianUK | well yes |
| 10:33.14 | DiscordianUK | CentOS kernels typically != kernel.org ones |
| 10:33.15 | hali | it's still annoying to see how many people don't get the rhel methodology |
| 10:33.39 | hali | with people complaining about the version being old and with bugs, lacking the backport understanding |
| 10:33.51 | DiscordianUK | Quite so |
| 10:33.59 | hali | httpd is version x and bug z was patched in version x+1 blabla |
| 10:34.29 | DiscordianUK | aye |
| 10:57.58 | ChoHag | It's not just rhel. |
| 10:58.51 | DiscordianUK | most distros backport |
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| 12:06.58 | z00dax | hali: all this 'pci' testing using s/w that checks for versions only isnt helping either |
| 12:07.21 | z00dax | there are a few dozen emails to the centos security expander about that - and some from large'is people like mcafee and symantec |
| 12:07.34 | z00dax | the sort of names many small-medium biz people tend to just trust |
| 12:08.23 | hali | there was an interesting q&a session at redhat summit about this |
| 12:08.58 | hali | and what the distribution plan for alternative newer versions of stuff was |
| 12:09.02 | hali | especially php |
| 12:09.09 | hali | about 10 people nagged about the old php version in rhel5 |
| 12:09.23 | hali | and suggest they had another less-supported channel on rhn |
| 12:10.42 | z00dax | slippery slope |
| 12:11.33 | hali | rhex :) |
| 12:11.38 | hali | redhat express channel |
| 12:11.42 | hali | good name imo |
| 12:12.06 | hali | then again they sort of did that with XFS |
| 12:12.18 | hali | making it available as a separate channel and only supported in a few regions |
| 12:12.23 | hali | and not even fully supported |
| 12:12.36 | dick_turpin | r e c Use a rec you know it makes sense ;-) |
| 12:55.05 | ChoHag | wtf? |
| 12:55.10 | ChoHag | Cheesy adverts while I'm on hold? |
| 12:57.20 | ChoHag | Not just normal adverts either - it was people having a conversation. |
| 12:57.27 | ChoHag | No that's not going to cause any confusion on the phone. |
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| 13:09.02 | Armand | \o/ |
| 13:19.46 | dick_turpin | You think that's bad try being on hold with ESET Nod32 they play Anti-Virus songs :-( http://www.eset.com/company/funstuff/Malware%20Blues.mp3 |
| 13:20.37 | Armand | hehe |
| 13:29.59 | dick_turpin | Here's the rest of them if you want to torture a friend or something http://www.eset.com/company/fun_stuff.php |
| 13:31.29 | Armand | I'll check that later. :D |
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| 13:52.02 | ChoHag | Does anybody use an umbrella company and have any (anti-)recommendations? |
| 13:52.56 | antiphase | They should be coming back into the shops soon, with the impending autumn rain |
| 13:53.27 | ChoHag | How did I know it would be antiphase who'd say something like that eh? |
| 13:54.17 | antiphase | Does this mean that your failure to get a permanent job means you'll be unleashing your mad contrating powahs onto the unsuspecting public> |
| 13:54.35 | ChoHag | That's one way of putting it. |
| 13:55.04 | ChoHag | I'm still after permanent work, but a contract came along first. |
| 13:56.03 | Armand | has a job now. o/ |
| 13:56.17 | ChoHag | has one too, next week. |
| 13:56.29 | antiphase | I'll see you on Monday then |
| 13:56.50 | Armand | I'm starting with a stock-takers on the 4th. :D |
| 13:58.22 | ChoHag | Who, me? |
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| 14:05.01 | ChoHag | Heh. Liberty Bishop have a list of languages to view their site in, which just direct you to google's translater. |
| 14:05.06 | ChoHag | translator |
| 14:06.22 | Mohan | I have 2 svn repos, repo1_dev, repo1_qa, when version is closed on repo1_dev i want all the files on it merged to repo1_qa |
| 14:06.54 | Mohan | It will be done by the postcommit hook script, whats the best way to merge 2 diff repos |
| 14:07.23 | Mohan | repo1_qa will not be empty it contains previous files from repo1_dev |
| 14:08.04 | z00dax | if you know what point you want to merge from on both sides, you can build a patch and just apply that to the other place |
| 14:08.15 | z00dax | although, i think there is something odd going on if you need to sync code between two places like that. |
| 14:08.38 | z00dax | are you sure they are two different repo's and not ( how I'd have thought one would do this ) 2 nodes on the same repo |
| 14:09.07 | antiphase | detects a candidate for today's "ur doin it rong" |
| 14:09.40 | Mohan | Its on the same server running 2 repos, I don't care about the existing files on repo1_qa but i dont want to delete them as well |
| 14:10.08 | z00dax | if they are commit'd - they dont get deleted, they just move to a historic commit |
| 14:10.15 | z00dax | ( if you do indeed delete them from the patch ) |
| 14:10.37 | Mohan | I just want to leave the files to be there on repo1_qa, and import all the files on repo1_dev as the last version |
| 14:10.59 | Mohan | yeah i understand that, commit wont delete the existing files. |
| 14:11.20 | antiphase | Isn't the point of having a repository that you have one of them? |
| 14:11.25 | Mohan | antiphase: why don't you do something better and help me to do it right ? |
| 14:11.36 | antiphase | At this point, I suspect it's far too late |
| 14:11.42 | z00dax | I'm wondering if you are using complexity to recreate the idea of tag's |
| 14:11.45 | antiphase | So you'll have to bodge it |
| 14:12.40 | antiphase | It's always better to ask advice early, rather than working out a crackpot plan and asking for implementation help :P |
| 14:13.15 | Mohan | what they wanted is svn based web folder sync so that they can run svn update on the remote folder to update to the latest files |
| 14:13.47 | z00dax | Mohan: ok, that works. where did the second repo come from |
| 14:13.48 | Mohan | everything is fine apart from onething there comes a point once version is closed on dev_repo they want all the files to be moved to qa_repo |
| 14:15.00 | Mohan | z00dax: do you remember I did ask you about /svn-repo/repo{1,2,3} setup once |
| 14:15.07 | z00dax | I'm guessing all you need at that stage is just a TAG in the same repo |
| 14:15.15 | z00dax | Mohan: yes, i remember telling you its a bad idea :D |
| 14:15.59 | z00dax | svn://hostname/svn/devel/ and svn://hostname/svn/qa/ might be two nodes on the same repo ( svn://hostname/svn/ ) |
| 14:16.13 | Mohan | yeah I know, but didnt want to make huge changes in existing setup. |
| 14:17.03 | z00dax | if you want to move code or files between two svn repo's - your choices are a bit limited to creating patches or kluding around with .svn hackery. |
| 14:17.20 | z00dax | patching tends to start creaking when you also have non-text content |
| 14:17.48 | z00dax | if you can locak devel-repo, you could do a manual svnsync to the qa repo |
| 14:17.53 | Mohan | the best thing is to create a tag release and update it on remote folder for qa? |
| 14:18.34 | z00dax | yeah, if you can use tag's in the same repo - do that, make life a lot easier, and you retain context and history for components in the same place |
| 14:19.31 | z00dax | stretches and gets ready for $meeting |
| 14:20.04 | Mohan | Its like live,qa and dev 3 stage setup, so the easiest way i guess is to use trunk for dev and branches for qa and tags for live setup |
| 14:20.46 | Mohan | The hardest part here is making people adapt to this new structure :( |
| 14:31.30 | hali | hm, you should tag a release in dev before it goes to QA and if it fails QA you should retag |
| 14:31.43 | hali | so qa and prod have the same actual release |
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| 14:38.26 | ChoHag | Yay! Burnt egg. |
| 15:07.53 | Armand | \o/ |
| 15:29.05 | cpufreak | 14:58 * ChoHag has one too, next week. |
| 15:29.07 | cpufreak | where? |
| 15:30.10 | ChoHag | Tradefair. |
| 15:30.15 | ChoHag | Part of Betfair. |
| 15:44.23 | AndyMillar | ChoHag: what job? |
| 16:46.05 | AndyMillar | eyes ChoHag |
| 16:46.43 | ChoHag | What? |
| 16:46.45 | ChoHag | Please. I'm married. |
| 16:46.55 | cpufreak | he asked you a question 62 minutes ago |
| 16:47.21 | ChoHag | I'm sorry. Do I have to sit at the computer as a gllug irc requirement? |
| 16:47.27 | AndyMillar | ChoHag: what job at Tradefair? :) |
| 16:47.35 | ChoHag | sit at the computer all the time. |
| 16:47.51 | ChoHag | I can't remember what the exact title was. Finding out why QA and prod environments are different. |
| 16:48.02 | AndyMillar | who interviewed you? |
| 16:48.19 | ChoHag | Tom Brown. |
| 16:48.29 | AndyMillar | you sure it's Tradefair? |
| 16:48.41 | ChoHag | No. Could be some other part of Betfair. |
| 16:49.04 | ChoHag | There've been a few adverts up from them - I may be mixing them up. |
| 16:50.51 | AndyMillar | you probably are :) |
| 16:51.26 | AndyMillar | as there's no Tom Brown at Tradefair |
| 16:53.03 | antiphase | Tom Brown sits next to me. Definitely not Tradefair |
| 16:53.24 | AndyMillar | we should rename #gllug to #betfairgroup |
| 16:53.52 | hali | bilarh used to work there too :) |
| 16:54.09 | AndyMillar | idd |
| 16:54.12 | ChoHag | Oh is it popular? |
| 16:55.01 | ChoHag | (Bet|Trade)Fair, that is. |
| 16:55.29 | AndyMillar | maybe :) |
| 16:55.50 | ChoHag | So hands up everyone who works there or knows somebody who does. |
| 16:56.01 | AndyMillar | waves |
| 16:56.50 | antiphase | o/ |
| 16:57.26 | hali | i know a few people |
| 16:59.04 | ChoHag | Well in that case, what am I getting myself in to? |
| 16:59.44 | AndyMillar | oh dear |
| 16:59.46 | AndyMillar | antiphase: he doesn't know ;) |
| 16:59.57 | ChoHag | Encouraging start... |
| 17:00.41 | AndyMillar | stamps on the floor to make the caged animals shut up |
| 17:01.21 | ChoHag | You mean the dev team? |
| 17:01.39 | AndyMillar | nah, previous contractors and staff who've left |
| 17:01.40 | ChoHag | See now that's why I don't like doing dev commercially. |
| 17:01.44 | AndyMillar | we leave them tied up under the floor |
| 17:02.37 | ChoHag | Oh do you know if you've ever had any agreements with that obnoxious recruiter who occasionally shows up on the list? |
| 17:02.49 | AndyMillar | yeah, we have |
| 17:02.52 | AndyMillar | we're going to stop using him |
| 17:03.04 | AndyMillar | after I forwarded some comments about him around |
| 17:03.47 | ChoHag | So there's a chance he had that job on his own then and wasn't trying to steal it from some other agency. |
| 17:05.12 | ChoHag | Oh and another question - why do I need to do a CRB check? |
| 17:05.26 | AndyMillar | gambling |
| 17:06.16 | ChoHag | Only criminals are allowed to gamble? |
| 17:07.13 | AndyMillar | ;p |
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