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| 07:54.44 | morsing | eye69: Where's bilarh? |
| 07:55.07 | hali | holiday i think |
| 07:55.17 | morsing | Without me? :-/ |
| 08:17.32 | bilarh | morning |
| 08:17.58 | Leeds | woohoo, payday! |
| 08:19.16 | bilarh | just been so busy |
| 08:19.22 | bilarh | moved last week |
| 08:19.30 | bilarh | and had loads of client meetings etc etc |
| 08:19.35 | bilarh | it's been crazy |
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| 08:22.24 | morsing | nixofortune! |
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| 08:28.10 | hali | bilarh: where are you based now? |
| 08:29.49 | bilarh | petts wood |
| 08:29.52 | bilarh | wel |
| 08:29.55 | bilarh | that's where i live :) |
| 08:30.24 | hali | ah still close to where you were? |
| 08:34.32 | bilarh | yep |
| 08:34.32 | bilarh | just a nicer area |
| 08:34.32 | bilarh | by the looks of it anyway |
| 08:34.35 | bilarh | superficially, it looks nicer |
| 08:35.30 | hali | cool |
| 08:36.35 | hali | we still haven't had beer for ages |
| 08:36.53 | bilarh | i know |
| 08:37.28 | bilarh | this whole year has been insane |
| 08:51.36 | bilarh | anyone ever removed rust from concrete? |
| 08:51.42 | bilarh | if so, wtf did you do? |
| 09:05.46 | wethrin | Knock it down and rebuild! :) |
| 09:06.01 | bilarh | brilliant :P |
| 09:06.05 | wethrin | Concrete sucks |
| 09:06.12 | bilarh | yeah :( |
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| 09:15.04 | mindbendr | morning |
| 09:29.52 | antiphase | is worried |
| 09:29.56 | antiphase | drwxr-xr-x 9 bilarh bilarh 4096 Mar 29 2007 jdk1.5.0_08 |
| 09:30.37 | cpufreak_ | heh |
| 09:33.32 | AndyMillar | lol |
| 09:34.00 | AndyMillar | antiphase: scarily small world |
| 09:34.11 | cpufreak_ | bilarh used to work here |
| 09:34.19 | AndyMillar | should really make an excuse to go over to hammersmith some time |
| 09:34.23 | cpufreak_ | AndyMillar: you should |
| 09:34.26 | cpufreak_ | wait til payday tho |
| 09:34.32 | AndyMillar | when's that? |
| 09:34.36 | cpufreak | 30th october |
| 09:34.39 | cpufreak | I'm broke til then |
| 09:34.46 | AndyMillar | ouch :p |
| 09:34.57 | AndyMillar | oh christ |
| 09:35.01 | AndyMillar | that's my next payday too |
| 09:35.05 | cpufreak | hehe |
| 09:35.12 | cpufreak | I wish they'd just pay us on the 25th of each month |
| 09:35.18 | cpufreak | not this silly last friday of the month thing |
| 09:35.38 | AndyMillar | shall have to reduce his drinking this month :( |
| 09:36.44 | bilarh | antiphase: ;) |
| 09:36.52 | AndyMillar | hmm |
| 09:37.03 | AndyMillar | i've just been handed an aircon control thingy |
| 09:37.26 | bilarh | why does that make me think of nipples? :D |
| 09:37.26 | AndyMillar | (from hammersmith :p) |
| 09:38.59 | bilarh | cpufreak: how's the new car going? |
| 09:39.00 | AndyMillar | cpufreak: i would say "come over here", but there's nowhere to go for beer within miles - unless you count the council estate pub we're too scared to go into |
| 09:40.43 | cpufreak | bilarh: its awesome. |
| 09:40.49 | cpufreak | its insanely fast |
| 09:41.50 | AndyMillar | cpufreak: you have a new car? |
| 09:42.00 | cpufreak | as of a month ago yes |
| 09:42.08 | AndyMillar | is behind the times :( |
| 09:42.13 | cpufreak | http://badger.ing.me.uk/oldandnew/9D5G3049.jpg |
| 09:42.21 | cpufreak | http://badger.ing.me.uk/oldandnew/9D5G3053.jpg |
| 09:42.24 | cpufreak | old and new ones together |
| 09:42.48 | AndyMillar | \o/ |
| 09:46.18 | bilarh | cpufreak: nice one |
| 09:46.52 | bilarh | cpufreak: is it faster than the csl? |
| 09:48.38 | cpufreak | definitely in a straight line |
| 09:48.55 | cpufreak | 0-60 is 4.1.. 0-100 ~9, |
| 09:48.56 | cpufreak | etc |
| 09:49.13 | cpufreak | csl is 4.6, 9.7 respectively |
| 09:49.21 | cpufreak | its also surprisingly nimble on backroads |
| 09:50.56 | bilarh | 0-100 in 9'ish is very good indeed |
| 09:51.11 | cpufreak | its also how it delivers it |
| 09:51.22 | cpufreak | as natural instinct is maybe to change up at about 7000rpm |
| 09:51.29 | cpufreak | but it revs to 8400 |
| 09:51.36 | cpufreak | and the last 1400 rpm is immense |
| 09:53.11 | bilarh | cool |
| 09:53.23 | bilarh | i see one hooning it up the dual carriage way outside the office every so often |
| 09:53.28 | bilarh | sounds nice :) |
| 09:55.04 | AndyMillar | bilarh: that's probably cpufreak ;) |
| 09:55.22 | cpufreak | antiphase's car sounds pretty awesome too |
| 09:55.31 | cpufreak | need to find a decent size tunnel to open them both up in |
| 09:55.43 | bilarh | andymillar: not unless he's been banished to the wilderness that is crawley |
| 09:56.00 | bilarh | blackwall tunnel used to be good until they installed specs |
| 09:56.21 | cpufreak | one place which is great is the cchannel tunnel trains |
| 09:56.40 | cpufreak | as you have to drive along them for miles to get to the front of the train nomally |
| 09:56.43 | cpufreak | :p |
| 09:59.17 | bilarh | i'm starting to feel the urge to buy an old e36 m3 |
| 09:59.30 | bilarh | and slap a whopping big turbo on it :D |
| 09:59.40 | bilarh | thus completely ruining the original point of the car, of course :P |
| 10:00.22 | antiphase | Turbos are rubbish except for lorries |
| 10:00.33 | antiphase | The have no place on variable speed engines |
| 10:00.41 | bilarh | *yawn* |
| 10:01.53 | cpufreak | no no no no no |
| 10:02.02 | cpufreak | supercharge the e36 engine |
| 10:02.04 | cpufreak | much better |
| 10:02.19 | cpufreak | a friend did that, and put the 470bhp end result in an e30 m3 |
| 10:02.22 | bilarh | i'm a turbo kind of guy |
| 10:02.37 | bilarh | 470bhp... i'm thinking 600 :) |
| 10:02.38 | cpufreak | < bilarh> i'm a turbo kind of gay |
| 10:03.18 | bilarh | cpufreak: First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win |
| 10:03.42 | cpufreak | well no, turbo horsepower are only worth about 0.66 of a real proper horsepower |
| 10:05.07 | bilarh | it feels like a compressor would lead to packaging problems as well |
| 10:05.28 | bilarh | you'd have to have it aligned with the end of the crank, for example |
| 10:07.36 | antiphase | I don't know if anyone has ever done a hydraulically driven supercharger |
| 10:08.03 | antiphase | There's loads of room around inline engines anyway |
| 10:10.03 | bilarh | i just don't like super chargers, i prefer turbo's myself |
| 10:10.21 | bilarh | i like the kick in the back of the boost coming in |
| 10:11.07 | cpufreak | you get the kick in the back from booting it in a car with a decent amount of torque |
| 10:11.25 | cpufreak | even my tiny little shitty 4 litre flatplanecrank v8 does that |
| 10:11.34 | bilarh | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.55 | antiphase | I'm sure it's lovely in the wet to have your 2 litre rice cooker unpredicatbly start developing 4 times as much torque as the inappropriately large turbo spools up |
| 10:15.07 | antiphase | I think I'll take the big lump and less pressure myself :P |
| 10:15.26 | bilarh | well, it is "exciting" sometimes, yes :P |
| 10:16.05 | Leeds | http://hk-magazine.com/feature/mrs-ko |
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| 11:54.11 | dick_turpin | Who let the dogs out? |
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| 12:15.24 | hali | what httpd module do people use for ddos limiting these days? |
| 12:15.33 | hali | mod_evasive seems a bit outdated |
| 12:16.12 | antiphase | 1. Contact upstream service provider |
| 12:16.14 | antiphase | 2. ... |
| 12:16.17 | antiphase | 3. Profit |
| 12:17.01 | antiphase | While good application design might help yuo out, there's nothing you're going to be able to do about excessive traffic that comes down your pipe |
| 12:17.23 | hali | it's more abot rate limiting a poor application design here :) |
| 12:17.49 | hali | if users hit a page in our app it kicks off about 10 fairly heavy historics sql queries, if they hit the page 10 times in a short time.... boing |
| 12:18.08 | antiphase | Turn down the maximum number of apache children/threads and watch your customers slowly leave |
| 12:18.27 | cpufreak | fix the application design |
| 12:18.37 | cpufreak | or cache that page |
| 12:19.15 | hali | this is the only page we can't cache as it's got live trade data on it |
| 12:19.37 | hali | and we sell it as real time (yeap) |
| 12:20.21 | hali | its going to a jboss instance now, im tempted just to encap it in a little php/perl wrapper that manages the concurrency |
| 12:21.04 | cpufreak | but if you refresh it from cache once a second |
| 12:21.09 | cpufreak | that way it _is_ real time |
| 12:21.16 | antiphase | Split the page elements out |
| 12:21.37 | cpufreak | even if you refreshed it from cache every 5 seconds, its still close enough to real time |
| 12:21.59 | cpufreak | remember 'live' tv broadcasts are often delayed by up to 30 seconds |
| 12:22.17 | hali | only one element, a soap feed... but if i do my little wrapper i can cache it in apache memory for 1 second.. |
| 12:22.46 | hali | i could potentially even do it in mod_cache |
| 12:22.55 | antiphase | mod_cache is made of cheese |
| 12:22.56 | cpufreak | if you're using apache as a reverse proxy |
| 12:23.02 | cpufreak | why not just use varnish |
| 12:23.34 | hali | it's a reverse proxy yes, not that many hits.. perhaps 2000 per second on a bad day |
| 12:23.56 | hali | most of which just return a 100 byte xml reply |
| 12:25.15 | hali | hm, vcl in varnish looks pretty good |
| 12:25.28 | cpufreak | varnish, it makes thigns shiny |
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| 12:45.17 | AndyMillar | varnishes cpufreak |
| 12:51.43 | bilarh | does that make him a shiny knob? :S |
| 12:53.22 | cpufreak | eww |
| 12:55.54 | AndyMillar | now that was unnecessary |
| 12:56.32 | bilarh | ;) |
| 13:02.42 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Bad bilarh bad boy bad boy |
| 13:02.52 | bilarh | hey what was that site you sent me earlier |
| 13:02.53 | AndyMillar | dick_turpin: careful, he likes that |
| 13:02.58 | bilarh | i had to close the window |
| 13:03.07 | bilarh | i ran out of terminals :( |
| 13:03.18 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Bwahahaha I bet you liked it |
| 13:03.24 | bilarh | lemon something was't it |
| 13:03.28 | bilarh | i didn't even get a chance to look at it |
| 13:03.37 | bilarh | my internet is busted at home, and i'm not looking at something you send me at work |
| 13:03.42 | bilarh | knows better than that |
| 13:03.52 | dick_turpin | yes, its waaaay to naughty for here |
| 13:04.09 | bilarh | send it again, and i'll email it to myself |
| 13:04.57 | antiphase | Just Google lemonparty |
| 13:05.03 | dick_turpin | http://lemonparty.org |
| 13:06.01 | AndyMillar | oh is that really necessary? |
| 13:06.30 | AndyMillar | http://www.meatspin.com is the more fun competition |
| 13:06.31 | dick_turpin | AndyMillar: Made you look made you stare made your mother cut your hair |
| 13:08.25 | antiphase | http://www.phonejapan.com/ |
| 13:10.09 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Eueww x2 vomit and kiddy pron |
| 13:10.37 | antiphase | No idea what you mean |
| 13:13.14 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Hey was it you who had that line about top posting? "Outlook puts the cursor at the top of the page" Something about shitting in your pants or something? |
| 13:14.31 | antiphase | It's possible. It could also have been Martin Brooks, who is a vocal opponent to it |
| 13:16.12 | dick_turpin | Bugger I should have saved it, it was brilliant something like "Just because my arsehole is in my pants don't mean I have to shit in them" something along those lines |
| 13:17.27 | cpufreak | antiphase: see yahooim |
| 13:19.00 | antiphase | I appear only to have sent 400 emails since 2005. None of them said that in though |
| 13:21.41 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Hm sounded like your sort of thing |
| 13:23.21 | dick_turpin | There was a mini flame war about top posting (As usual) not sure if it was a mailed response or it was a comment here in the channel |
| 13:26.15 | wethrin | Outlook's quoting *style* discourages anything but top posting |
| 13:27.25 | AndyMillar | what? a flame war on the mailing list? ;) |
| 13:27.35 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Maybe I should look in the Archives? Trouble is I cant remember the Subject |
| 13:28.08 | AndyMillar | it is practically every subject |
| 13:28.43 | dick_turpin | Shame as it was a brilliant response |
| 13:34.20 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Want the latest story? |
| 13:43.17 | wethrin | Go on |
| 13:46.10 | dick_turpin | So we have a customer in Gloucester who's system is riddled with viruses. They refused top have anything over the years but things came to a head the other day. |
| 13:46.59 | dick_turpin | We are an ESET Nod32 reseller so obviously I said to CYB "How many clients and servers has he got now?" |
| 13:47.19 | dick_turpin | CYB "In total he will need 12 licenses" |
| 13:47.29 | dick_turpin | Are you sure? |
| 13:47.38 | dick_turpin | CYB: "Yes" |
| 13:48.24 | dick_turpin | So we duly sell 15 and install 12 (Pete ever the up selling salesman) |
| 13:49.02 | dick_turpin | Couple of days later everything is infected again and ESET is working it arse off |
| 13:49.21 | dick_turpin | "Are you sure he only has 12?" |
| 13:49.28 | dick_turpin | "Yes" |
| 13:49.46 | dick_turpin | "Well why is active directory saying 19 then?" |
| 13:50.24 | dick_turpin | CYB: "Oh they are on the other site, that shouldn't be a problem should it?" |
| 13:50.55 | dick_turpin | Er they are on the same network, wadda you think tit head! |
| 13:51.36 | wethrin | D'oh |
| 13:52.10 | dick_turpin | wethrin: And these people are supposedly cleverer than me! FFS |
| 13:52.29 | wethrin | There's no substitute for common sense |
| 13:56.40 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I bet they have Degrees ;-) |
| 13:59.12 | wethrin | probably :) |
| 13:59.23 | wethrin | After all, we know that anyone with a degree can't program. |
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| 14:05.34 | dick_turpin | wethrin: lol |
| 14:06.14 | wethrin | Yeah |
| 14:12.12 | dick_turpin | wethrin: You're such a renegade |
| 14:12.41 | wethrin | Oh yes. |
| 14:13.56 | dick_turpin | Sounds like a group? wethrin and the renegades |
| 14:14.09 | wethrin | It sounds too folky for my tastes |
| 14:14.21 | AndyMillar | wethrin: a lot of people who went to university with me who are "programmers" are insanely poor |
| 14:14.49 | wethrin | Maybe they should demand NINETY MILLION POUNDS salary. |
| 14:14.53 | wethrin | As the bare minimum. |
| 14:14.53 | dick_turpin | And so they should be sponging of the state or parents |
| 14:24.42 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Wanna hear me froth at the mouth about Engineers? (This story just happened by the way) |
| 14:25.43 | wethrin | go on |
| 14:27.58 | dick_turpin | Have a customers laptop that appears to have the classic inverter board problem, OK so I get one for £15 + £10 del and charge £70 making £45 profit |
| 14:28.15 | wethrin | Ouch. |
| 14:28.25 | dick_turpin | He then comes to me "Um its not the inverter board its the screen" |
| 14:29.17 | dick_turpin | So a screen is £75 we phone customer and say "Its gonna cost £155.00 in total" |
| 14:30.04 | dick_turpin | But when I do the math for transport fitting blah blah blah we will now make £5 which is not worth a pee in the wind |
| 14:31.14 | dick_turpin | So I give the Engineer a bit of a shoeing and say "Lemme have a look at it" jiggle the wire and f'eck me it works! |
| 14:31.24 | wethrin | Heh. |
| 14:31.29 | wethrin | Did you then charge him £20? |
| 14:31.59 | dick_turpin | Kicked him in the gonads till his degree went numb |
| 14:34.08 | wethrin | yay |
| 14:34.10 | dick_turpin | Nearly lost me all my profit |
| 14:36.30 | dick_turpin | Mind you obviously I will not be pretending we have changed the screen and charging the £155 making £130.00 profit, that would be unprofessional ;-) |
| 14:36.54 | wethrin | could make a rude comment here, but won't |
| 14:37.40 | dick_turpin | :-) |
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