IRC log for #gllug on 20091020

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07:40.26morsingBeer
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07:48.26morsingnixofort1ne!
08:12.20morsingbilarh: Where's wethrin?
08:21.29bilarhhe said he couldn't take people asking where he was anymore, so he's gone off to be a monk
08:25.33morsing:(
08:25.44morsingMoZes: mozrat?
08:44.36Mohanmorning
08:44.45morsingMohan!
08:45.11Mohanmorsing!
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09:04.48morsingblight!
09:08.30MoZesmozrat ?
09:09.24morsingMoZes: Where's mozrat?
09:09.28morsing~seen mozrat
09:09.31ibotmozrat <n=sm@194.203.40.135> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 97d 22h 28m 51s ago, saying: ''allo'.
09:09.46morsingibot mozrat
09:09.47ibotfrom memory, mozrat is a geek, or pissed, or not morsing  ALIVE!!!, or not a CNAME for morsing, or so pissed he can't update his factiod, or and we won!!!!!!, or not even Australian, or a piker, or morsing, or completelylylyl pissed
09:10.15Ch0HagA piker?
09:10.20bilarh~seen goibhniu
09:10.21ibotgoibhniu <n=cillian@marx.jamkit.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 587d 20h 55m 27s ago, saying: 'beer on saturday though'.
09:10.31bilarh587 days, christ has it been that long :S
09:10.43MoZesisn't mozrat
09:10.57Ch0HagThat's a long evening down the pub.
09:11.03bilarhindeed
09:11.04Ch0HagHis SO will be pissed.
09:11.15Ch0HagPissed off. He's the pissed one.
09:13.17morsingCh0Hag: http://nzguide.newzealand.co.nz/kiwispeak/index.php?todo=list_records&order_by=Saying&FirstLetter=P
09:15.29Ch0HagOh. I thought it was a typo of pikey.
09:15.42Ch0HagBut then I suppose NZ slang is natural to everyone here.
09:20.01Ch0HagHow much should it cost to hire a chainsaw?
09:21.19morsingCh0Hag: One arm
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09:28.52morsingBlapto!
09:28.56Blaptomorsing!
09:34.28cpufreakbilarh: http://www.flickr.com/photos/itwasntandy/sets/72157622498587621/
09:34.35cpufreakhad some fun with some friends last night
09:34.41cpufreakmorsing: you might appreciate the photos too
09:35.02bilarhsweet lambo :D
09:35.18bilarhand the gt3 rs aitn bad either
09:35.28cpufreakit sounded like god farting, it was savage
09:35.49morsing:)
09:35.56morsingIs it yours?
09:36.01cpufreakthe AMG 63 Black's sounded like the devil gargling
09:36.07cpufreakno mine is the Black M3 in the pics
09:36.08BlaptoAre there any volvos?
09:36.12cpufreakno volvos
09:36.15Ch0HagGargling with nails?
09:36.19Blaptomorsing: won't be interested.
09:36.23cpufreakjust mercedes, porsche, bmw and lamboghini
09:36.31cpufreakBlapto: morsing likes (some) bmws.
09:36.36BlaptoReally?
09:36.38bilarhis it just my monitor, or do some of the photos look underexposed?
09:36.44bilarhnice composition, though
09:37.04BlaptoThey're al maybe 1/3rd stop under
09:37.07cpufreakI generally intentionally under expose shots by half a stop or so
09:37.09Ch0HagOr maybe that's just Thor.
09:37.15bilarhthis will have to be my favourite: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2683/4027595703_1c7297c679.jpg
09:37.24cpufreakand didn't bother correcting them when I got home last night, just whacked some online
09:37.27cpufreakand went to bed
09:37.38cpufreakyeh the speedster was surprising
09:37.41Blaptocpufreak: I've added you as a contact
09:37.43cpufreakkept up with the other cars really well
09:38.00bilarhi'm all bmw'd up now as well
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10:08.34morsingsabinef72!
10:19.54cpufreakbilarh: really?
10:19.55cpufreakcool
10:19.56cpufreakwell done
10:21.46bilarhcpufreak: well, when i say bmw'd up, i of course mean my hybrid gearbox has finally made it's way over to me :D
10:25.09morsingBeer
10:27.34Ch0HagTwo sparc classics. Two screens. No keyboards.
10:28.01DiscordianUKsun4c heh
10:28.36bilarhserial console :)
10:29.15bilarhdo they have 9-pin serial connectors or the mini din's?
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10:38.43ChoHagHeh. I guess I'm the only person using Enta.
10:39.30ChoHagNow, what can I do with a noisy sparc classic (its hard drive is noisy, anyway)?
10:39.39ChoHagI'd considered an X terminal but I've no keyboard.
10:39.45bilarhweigh it in for scrap?
10:40.09BlaptoBallast?
10:40.17morsingnixofort1ne!
10:40.19morsingCh0Hag!
10:40.27bilarhapart from maybe netbooting it just for laughs and giggles, very little
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10:43.00morsingCh0Hag!
10:43.07ChoHagHappy days.
10:43.24ChoHagI told openwrt not to build a load of stuff which it's decided to build anyway.
10:43.30ChoHagKind of annoying.
10:43.56morsingI told Dave to get me some beer but he didn't do it. Also annoying...
10:43.59morsing!!
10:45.13ChoHagIt wouldn't be so bad but the things I told it not to compile are the things that take a long time to compile.
11:02.01halidoing the 2010 budget, boring as hell
11:02.12haliplaying it safe.. hmm... netapp/cisco sprinkle of hp
11:02.27BlaptoDon't you mean IBM?
11:04.14halinot in the market for mainframes
11:04.46BlaptoThey do normal servers too...  Just thinking if you're playing it safe you may as well do it as stereotypically as possible.
11:04.51halieverything else ibm has on offer is fairly unsafe these days unless you get full ibm services on it
11:05.16BlaptoWasn't being entirely serious.  We've moved from IBM to Sun here over the last 2-3 years.
11:05.57BlaptoSun do have a nasty habit of changing specs within the same product line.
11:06.22BlaptoX4100 and then X4100 M2 have different network interfaces, which stuffed some of our kickstarts.
11:06.49halididn't m2 have some really shit chips on the second two ports? like realtek
11:07.01bilarhnvidia iirc
11:07.02halii haven't used much x64 kit from sun
11:07.05halinvidia yes
11:07.14BlaptoYes.
11:07.17BlaptoWe just disable them now.
11:07.29BlaptoPart of the racking procedure for them.
11:07.41halibut the sparc kit is pretty boring these days, m-range is "fun" but not very cost effective
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12:11.31morsingcelesteh!
13:08.12celestehmorsing!
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13:11.48morsingArmand|Lappy!
13:13.24Armand|LappyHiya. :)
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13:55.10morsingLeeds!
13:56.45Armand|LappyDerby!
13:56.49morsingRugby
13:56.53morsing!
13:57.11Armand|LappyNottingham!
13:57.49boudiccasNorwich!
13:57.57morsingBeer!
13:58.05boudiccasSpitfire!
13:59.12BlaptoMmmm, spitfire
13:59.13Armand|LappyLancaster!
13:59.32BlaptoBombardier!
14:00.37Armand|LappyWindows Updates!!
14:00.40Armand|LappySorry..
14:00.42Armand|Lappy>_<
14:01.03Blaptoapt-get dist-upgrade
14:01.43DiscordianUKMmmm Hoegaarden!
14:03.32blightHmm Schnieder Wiesse!
14:14.29ChoHagOh great. Now openwrt won't boot.
14:16.04antiphaseJust go and buy a proper router and stop being a hippy
14:16.33Armand|Lappyupdates Windows XP.. and now CS:S won't work. >_<
14:16.39Armand|Lappywankers.
14:16.49morsingWhat's the number for british gas installations?
14:16.54Blapto18
14:17.19antiphase118 118 and ask for brain implants
14:21.21ChoHagmorsing: It prabably begins 0091
14:29.38kjsany vmware pro's about?
14:30.12morsingkjs!
14:30.50kjsyo
14:31.54antiphasepro's what?
14:32.22morsingwas just about to say that but is too polite...
14:35.05Armand|Lappy\o/ Decent frame rate on Source!
14:35.28halikjs: i use vs4 in production ...
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14:39.58Armand|Lappy?_!
14:41.02kjs@_
15:08.29ChoHagVodaphone just sent me spam telling me an offer was not available to me so they've not added it to my account.
15:09.32Leedsat least they let you know
15:35.17MohanI did get a similar SMS earlier stating that the offer is only for Pay as you go customers. but its indeed a pay as you go sim.
15:36.18MohanI wonder why they sent me though, btw the offer is free weekends.
15:37.50antiphaseYou sent Robin round?
15:41.07BlaptoPerhaps pay as you go is a specific plan.
15:42.54MohanI was just going through the previous vodafone messages which says free weekends been added to your account. and spend 2.50£ in weekdays to get free texts as well
15:43.12BlaptoPerhaps they're retards.
15:43.18wethrinI got a message about something similar
15:43.31BlaptoI have never received a text from vodafone on either of my phones, both on a business plan.
15:43.32wethrinAnd I thought "WTF? I'm on contract. It makes no difference to me"
15:43.39Mohanboth the messages are contradicting.
15:59.50Mohanhttp://www.commandlineidiot.com/blog/2007/linux-users-are-all-crazy-fundamentalists/
16:00.27BlaptoIdiot should have just used slackware
16:00.36wethrinHeh
16:00.49wethrinslackware++
16:01.03Mohanor lfs
16:01.33Mohanhe is not happy with any of the available distros
16:01.35BlaptoHeh... "(Debian) has probably the largest user base, which just means that when you have a question, there are 50 arrogant pricks to mock you for being an idiot instead of 6"
16:01.53wethrinHeh
16:02.25AndyMillarsounds right
16:08.10Armand|Lappyor distros, as the too-cool-for-school developers themselves refer to them. distro. rhymes with disco.)
16:08.19Armand|Lappyknob-jockey ?
16:09.44antiphasechutney ferret
16:11.25Armand|Lappy"Admitting that you use Ubunutu is the linux equivalent of putting a spoiler on your Hyundai – the only people who think you’re cool are other people with spoilers on their Hyundais." HAHAHAHHA
16:11.29Armand|Lappy\o/
16:11.48AndyMillarhe didn't mention freebsd :(
16:12.31wethrinBSD is for people who love Unix. Linux is for people who hate Windows.
16:12.49AndyMillarI'm going to have to try bsd on this laptop again
16:13.38AndyMillarbut it has issues with my wireless :(
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16:30.39ChoHag"GNU/Linux is the best. Followed closely by other free software distros such as the BSDs and OpenSolaris, etc"
16:30.54AndyMillarrubbush, BSD > * ;)
16:31.14ChoHagHey I didn't say it.
16:31.42antiphaseBSD is old and crap
16:31.53AndyMillarantiphase is old and crap!
16:33.42ChoHagIt always amuses me that zealots care so much.
16:34.41ChoHag"You should use X distribution" is translated in a person's head to "I will provide a lifetime of free support for you to use X".
16:35.32MohanIsnt he right with this "Hint: want to start a flamewar in a linux chatroom? Just casually pop in and ask people which distro you should use"
16:39.33AndyMillarvery much so :)
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21:46.16londonmet050yo Dis
21:46.20londonmet050what's up
21:46.38DiscordianUKI'm just looking for the Beta of F12
21:57.10londonmet050nice
21:57.48DiscordianUKNot on the UK mirrors yet
22:07.32londonmet050So did you grab it
22:07.43DiscordianUKNot yet
22:07.56DiscordianUKIt can go overnight
22:10.52londonmet050ok
22:11.21DiscordianUKI'm amazed min RAM for GUI's is still said to be 256Mb
22:11.33DiscordianUKIt's really grim in 256Mb
22:11.40londonmet050it is
22:11.53londonmet050I got 2gb..still osx sometimes cry
22:12.08DiscordianUKWhich is why I added 1Gb to my laptop this week
22:12.12DiscordianUKheh
22:12.22londonmet050Dis: did you use transtive
22:12.36londonmet050I am planning to run solaris for Sparc on VM
22:12.46DiscordianUKthis was from mrmemory
22:12.46MohanDiscordianUK: 256mb is fine for getting the gui working
22:13.01londonmet050heard you can with the help of trastive
22:13.04DiscordianUKYeah but it's slow in 256Mb
22:13.08Mohanbut once you run a app which hogs little memory the whole system will start to cry then
22:13.52DiscordianUKI run CentOS, Solaris 09/06 and Windows in Vms
22:14.04Mohaninfact you can install gui with 128mb itself :)
22:14.29londonmet050i alyah
22:14.35DiscordianUKNot entirely recommended
22:14.40londonmet050but wanna run SPARC
22:14.44MohanIt worked for me in rhel4, though it complains you should have more ram it would still start.
22:15.16DiscordianUKyeah but F12 is a bit more bloaty than RHEL4 or 5
22:15.27londonmet050I remember...my first laptop p3 with 128mb ram..runing mandrake 10
22:15.38DiscordianUKqemu-sparc might run Solaris/Sparc
22:15.49londonmet050emulator?
22:16.15MohanDiscordianUK: I am looking for tips to improve performance with high traffic sites.
22:16.47DiscordianUKYeah QEMU/KVM is the way forward redHat are persuing re virtualisation
22:16.58DiscordianUKqemu can do cpus other than x86
22:16.59Mohanits a 2 node setup centos5.3/ mysql master-master cluster load balanced setup.
22:17.58Mohanif you are willing to share any tips, i would really appreciate it.
22:18.02DiscordianUKdo you read data from the masters?
22:18.28DiscordianUKIf so i'd suggest only doing reads from the slave MySQL servers
22:18.38Mohanits a master/master setup both performs read/write operation
22:18.46DiscordianUKDepending on how much updates there are
22:18.54Mohanone of the site runs wordpress
22:19.13Mohanmost of the operations are read though.
22:19.25DiscordianUKAs they are always are
22:19.36DiscordianUKWhich is what LDAP is good for
22:19.52Mohanthe issue is at time the concurrent request reaches >250 and load increases to go over 50++
22:20.36DiscordianUKThe answer then is slave servers even if they run on different ports on the existing machines
22:20.44DiscordianUKHow many cpus do you have?
22:21.43Mohanits a dual xeon 2Ghz ,4GB ram machine
22:21.50Mohan4 cores in total
22:22.52DiscordianUKLoadavg > number of cpus is bad
22:23.50Mohanload is normally under 3 or something like that
22:24.05DiscordianUKThat's fine
22:24.06Mohanit only happens when there is heavy traffic,
22:24.36DiscordianUKIs your load balancing really balancing?
22:24.37Mohanwhenever huge traffic hits the machine slows down
22:24.59Mohanno issues with the load balancer, it uses least busy first alg
22:25.30Mohanin both the nodes the requests reaches > 250
22:25.47z00daxwhere is the load from ?
22:25.59z00daxare you running outof cpu or disk or what
22:26.01Mohanits from search engines,
22:26.20Mohanthese servers promote some form of ad campaign
22:26.44Mohanso load comes from various sources and its not controllable
22:26.46DiscordianUKHmmm I used to run the backend for MSN UK till they took it in house
22:27.11Mohanwhat im looking for is something like tips/tricks to optimize apache/mysql
22:27.45DiscordianUKOracle ran that happily on a couple of E240s
22:28.40DiscordianUKRAID is good for situations where Reads greatly exceed writes
22:29.12MohanThese machines are indeed RAID 1
22:30.35DiscordianUKand is it apache or MySQL that slows down the system
22:31.31Mohanz00dax: i misunderstood your question, apache generates the load
22:31.57Mohanits like initially apache builds the load and mysql follow it
22:32.01z00daxyes, but what in apache ? is it waiting for other things to get done ?
22:32.23z00daxhttpd is quite a tuneable stack
22:33.14Mohanapache queries the db and display the data.
22:33.54Mohanwhat i am not sure is the recommended values to be set for mysql
22:34.30DiscordianUKWell you might want to analyse the queries that MySQL makes
22:34.31Mohanlike the table_cache,buffer_size etc
22:34.51DiscordianUKAnd possibly tune the tables by adding or dropping indices
22:35.21DiscordianUKusing the wrong indices can really slow SQL systems down
22:37.29z00daxare you sure its mysql that is taking up the time
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22:39.10Mohanz00dax: yeah, its because they store some kind of html query
22:39.24Mohanwhich in turn queries the db again
22:39.37DiscordianUKThat sounds sub-optimal
22:40.02Mohanhtml cloud is the right term i guess
22:40.06z00daxright, its also past 4am here so will go sleep now
22:40.19DiscordianUKNight z00dax
22:40.31Mohanz00dax: gn
22:40.42z00daxMohan: pm ?
22:46.08DiscordianUKreads the F12 Relnotes
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23:06.22MohanArmand|Lappy!
23:06.31MohanArmand|Lappy: not sleeping ?
23:06.54Armand|LappyJust got back from South Kenton.
23:07.44Mohanparty ?
23:08.17MohanInfact i shouldnt be worried about these stuffs
23:08.25Mohanoops wrong window
23:08.40Armand|LappyNah. I got a PC case off someone.
23:08.46Armand|LappyNice one too. :)
23:09.23Mohancool
23:09.29Mohanwhats the config ?
23:09.53Armand|Lappyfull tower atx
23:10.24Mohanjust an empty tower ?
23:11.49Armand|Lappyyup.. with 2 removeable IDE mounts.
23:12.43Mohancool
23:17.06Armand|Lappyhttp://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=chieftec+dragon&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=3kTeSruWAdWr4Qbg65AU&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=7&ved=0CC0QsAQwBg
23:19.54MohanArmand|Lappy: looks kinda gaming tower.
23:19.59Armand|Lappy^_^
23:20.02Mohanbut nice one :)
23:20.08Mohanare you a gamer ?
23:20.11Armand|LappyIt's a beast of a case. :D
23:20.13Armand|LappyHell yeah
23:20.26Mohanwhats your fav game ?
23:20.54Armand|LappyCounter-Strike Source or Medieval 2
23:21.48MohanIts been ages since i have played something like an addict.
23:21.59Armand|Lappylol
23:22.08Mohanbut in general i like first person shooting games, MOH, MaxPayne etc..
23:22.18Armand|LappyIt's been ages since I played CS:S.. I had my first blast in over a month today.
23:22.34Mohanbut never played any of those what you have mentioned.
23:22.58Armand|LappyMax Payne was good.. but that's long gone now.
23:23.13MohanI'm a big fan of GTA3++ series
23:23.49MohanI've finished both I & II, but of course with limited cheats :D
23:24.12Armand|LappyGTA3 = win.
23:24.14Mohanbut those are really good old times. :)
23:24.18Armand|LappyI love modded the cars. ;)
23:24.22Armand|Lappymodding..
23:24.38Mohanis a game addict when he studied UG
23:24.59Armand|LappyUG ?
23:25.12MohanI like the hitnrun concept
23:25.32Mohanalso if you stop a car in a corner with some gal inside it
23:25.44Mohanthe car will start to shake and your life increases :))
23:25.52MohanUG= Under Graduate
23:26.09Armand|LappyAhh
23:27.23Armand|LappyI'm gonna clean up this case then mod the fker. :D
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